Re: hypoglycaemia / liver pain

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your question as I really don't know the answer, but I will give it some

time this afternoon when I am home form work.

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I can't c omment on the liver pain, but you've echoed something that I had a "lightbulb" moment over the last couple of days. I take my Isocort at 7 am, an I try to stretch the 2nd dose to noon, so I get a longer awake afternoon, but I find myself getting hungry and hypoglycemic feeling right around 11:00 am, then by noon I'm shaking, getting irritable, etc. (even when I have a snack at noon, though it is not as severe, i.e., I can at least drive, but am still somewhat short- tempered). Today I'm going to try the Isocort at 11 am and see how that works out, if I can make it until noon for lunch without losing my mind!

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Hypoglycaemia is a big problem for me in spite of the isocort. I have to eat every 3-4 hours or I crash. I can tell when I am becoming hypoglycaemic as I get very cold, and get a sharp pain in my liver which goes away when I have eaten something.

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Cortisol is only in your system for 4 hours, so that is why you can't go

longer than that between Isocort doses. We need SO much more Cortisol in

the mornings till about 1-2PM when the needs lessen and we get to relax

a little. I take 10MG HC in the morning about 6:30, then by 10:30 I am

feeling a little shaky and I take another 10MG. I got my Florinef today!

YAY! DO I am starting with 5MG in the morning, took it already so I will

soon have a report on how that is working for me. I am still needing

ALOT of salt. I get muscle spasms if I go over a day without taking at

least 1/2 tsp. SO this should help. I also feel dehydrated in spite of

drinking tons of water. My fingers are crossed!

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thanks Val. This is helpful. I was taking 5 pellets of Isocort at

7am, and another three at noon. Maybe I should bring forward the

noon dose to 11am to avoid the hypoglycaemia. Still mystified by the

liver pain, but I'll bet it's something to do with it. Apparently

chromium picolinate is also good for hypoglycaemia - lets you go for

longer, so you don't have to eat all the time, which is what I feel

I'm doing I also have Isocort-induced weight gain

Interesting what you say about stress dosing. I also have a heavy

cold, but haven't nearly doubled the dose - just one pellet a day.

Maybe this is why I feel so fatigued at present. What is Florinef?

Nicola

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wrote:

>

> Cortisol is only in your system for 4 hours, so that is why you

can't go

> longer than that between Isocort doses. We need SO much more

Cortisol in

> the mornings till about 1-2PM when the needs lessen and we get to

relax

> a little. I take 10MG HC in the morning about 6:30, then by 10:30 I

am

> feeling a little shaky and I take another 10MG. I got my Florinef

today!

> YAY! DO I am starting with 5MG in the morning, took it already so I

will

> soon have a report on how that is working for me. I am still

needing

> ALOT of salt. I get muscle spasms if I go over a day without taking

at

> least 1/2 tsp. SO this should help. I also feel dehydrated in spite

of

> drinking tons of water. My fingers are crossed!

>

> --

>

>

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://stores.ebay.com/s-Crystal-Creations

>

[Guest guest]

If you are experiancing hypoglycemia then is unlikey changing the dose

to an hour earlier is going to do much. Hypoglycemia is a huge

indicator your cortisol is low. Abdominal pain is a symptom of AI and

hypoglycemia, but not sure that is coming from the liver. Your

cortisol tests and you needing to eat often that suggests to me you

are probably needing to be tried on cortef.

Isocort is a very weak form of cortisol replacement. If it were

stronger it would be considered a drug instead of a supplement. For

most people isocort isn't strong enough.

You need to ask for an acth stim and acth serum. If your doc won't do

it, then find an osteopath. You need these tests to help support in

you being tried on cortef. The stim and acth serum should always be

done before starting any steroid.

Chris

>

> Hi! Also glad this group formed. I am mercury toxic, have

> hypothyroidism and bad adrenal insufficiency which I am self-treating

> with Isocort (8 pellets a day, sometimes more). My most recent blood

> test showed an 8am cortisol reading of 126 (range of 60-250), which is

> bang in the middle. I am waiting for a second appointment with a

> Hertoghe doctor to start thyroid meds. Hypoglycaemia is a big problem

> for me in spite of the isocort. I have to eat every 3-4 hours or I

> crash. I can tell when I am becoming hypoglycaemic as I get very cold,

> and get a sharp pain in my liver which goes away when I have eaten

> something. If I have a cold or something, the liver pain is almost

> constant. I assume this pain is due to a lack of blood sugar which

> somehow affects the liver, but can't find anything on it. Anyone here

> got any ideas why adrenal insufficiency / hypoglycaemia would lead to

> liver pain? I have Gilberts Syndrome, which means that the phase 2

> pathway is sluggish....

>

[Guest guest]

Do we have a source for testing Aldosterone on our own with no

doctor? I'm not even speaking to any of my doctors right now. They

are STUPID. They know just enough to be dangerous.

Amy

>

> >>What is Florinef?<<

>

> Florinef is a replacement for low Aldosterone

[Guest guest]

So if you're already taking HC (and didn't know better), is it

pointless to get these tests?

Amy

The stim and acth serum should always be

> done before starting any steroid.

>

>

[Guest guest]

, can you also have a tiny snack on the order of 4 walnut halves or a slice of cheese by 10/10:30 ? I bet your adrenals will be able to hold up better with a tiny high protein snack...

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I can't comment on the liver pain, but you've echoed something that I had a " lightbulb " moment over the last couple of days. I take my Isocort at 7 am, an I try to stretch the 2nd dose to noon, so I get a longer awake afternoon, but I find myself getting hungry and hypoglycemic feeling right around 11:00 am, then by noon I'm shaking, getting irritable, etc. (even when I have a snack at noon, though it is not as severe, i.e., I can at least drive, but am still somewhat short- tempered). Today I'm going to try the Isocort at 11 am and see how that works out, if I can make it until noon for lunch without losing my mind!

Best,

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So its pretty well a given, that when you get dizzy/shakes, that "hypoglycemia" is really the adrenals needing a boost?

Gosh, I've had this for YEARS! As long as I can remember, actually. I can't eat 3x/day. And when I was pregnant, I ate ALL DAY long. Quite literally, I had to snack all day. Protein, I ate loads of eggs, and extra sharp cheddar cheese, crackers, peanut butter/crackers. I can't function without my protein snacks. But I'm finding I need less of it on Isocort.

Sooo, what other good protein snacks are good to help this along? So walnuts have protein? I'm not a huge nut fan, but if I only need to choke down a few to get over that crash, I'll do it!

Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~Age is a case of mind over matter. If you don't mind then it really doesn't matter.~

, can you also have a tiny snack on the order of 4 walnut halves or a slice of cheese by 10/10:30 ? I bet your adrenals will be able to hold up better with a tiny high protein snack...

....

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I eat alot of peanut butter and cheese sticks, the string cheese type. I

also cut up leftover meat & pop it in a baggie to take with me to work.

MEAT seems to help me the most. I eat yogurt cups as well but those I

have to eat one every hour & a half.. Doesn;t seem to sustain me.

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No, yogurt doesn't do it for me, either. Gosh, I've said for YEARS that I would love to be a vegetarian, for a myriad of reasons, but I just can't. I don't feel well on anything but meat protein. Now i know why!

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I eat alot of peanut butter and cheese sticks, the string cheese type. I also cut up leftover meat & pop it in a baggie to take with me to work. MEAT seems to help me the most. I eat yogurt cups as well but those I have to eat one every hour & a half.. Doesn;t seem to sustain me.

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Yogurt will send me into a hypoglycemic fit if I don't eat something else with it..

I love it, but I try to limit my intake because of that.

No, yogurt doesn't do it for me, either. Gosh, I've said for YEARS that I would love to be a vegetarian, for a myriad of reasons, but I just can't. I don't feel well on anything but meat protein. Now i know why!

Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.comCurly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~Age is a case of mind over matter. If you don't mind then it really doesn't matter.~

I eat alot of peanut butter and cheese sticks, the string cheese type. I also cut up leftover meat & pop it in a baggie to take with me to work. MEAT seems to help me the most. I eat yogurt cups as well but those I have to eat one every hour & a half.. Doesn;t seem to sustain me.