Re: Family implant differences

[Guest guest]

It sure would be great to know why, but since the medical community ignores the complaints of people like us, we may never know for sure. I guess it's like why are all my sisters fertile as heck and I can't have kids, or why does one sister struggle with her weight, but the rest of us don't? Why is one sister an alcoholic and the others aren't? It would be great if there were a test to determine who got sick from implants and who didn't.

----- Original Message -----From: "carrie41_fun" Subject: Family implant differencesDate: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am 100%recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3 years and isfine and healthy and happy and not had one day of illness or anything.What do you guys think is the difference between her and I and why didI get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and she is just fine.It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just the unluckyone...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all have come tobelieve I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I am not reallysensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.I work with some girls with implants too and out of all 5 of them onehas R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied it! Wouldn'tit be great if there was a test so we could know ahead of time if wewould get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so simple but ofcourse I know it is not.

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Are you Heer? . . . We've missed hearing from

you!

Rogene

[Guest guest]

It was long after 3 years that I became ill from gel implants. Any 'study' that

tries to assert

implants are safe with 3 years of data is meaningless. That would be like

saying - well,

because a smoker has smoked for 3 years and does not have lung cancer, that

means

cigarettes are safe. Or, because someone worked with asbestos 3 years ago and

does not

have mesothelioma, it means asbestos is safe. That's simply ludicrous.

That is why a number of doctors in the FDA hearings were so concerned about the

utter

dearth of data the manufacturers presented.

As to why some people get sick quickly and others don't -- there are many

variables,

including the type of implant, whether there is a manufaturing defect in the

implant, etc

etc.

There also is the fact that some people may be genetically predisposed to

getting

autoimmune illness, for example. Contrary to popular belief, this does NOT

absolve a

manufacturer from designing an inherently dangerous product.

Some people smoke for 50 years and never get lung cancer while others do.

Does this mean cigarettes are safe? Of COURSE NOT.

IN fact, I just had this conversation with my new rheumatologist (change of

insurance

plan). She - LIKE my former rheumatologist - absolutlely believes implants are

NOT safe.

She said she has treated way too many women to not know that implants are

dangerous.

She also believes that some people are more susceptible to certain types of

illness - some

people's immune system may be stronger than others. That is wholly independent

of the

safety or danger of a medical device. She made that point with me, that makes

complete

sense.

\

>

> It sure would be great to know why, but since the medical community

> ignores the complaints of people like us, we may never know for sure. I

> guess it's like why are all my sisters fertile as heck and I can't have

> kids, or why does one sister struggle with her weight, but the rest of us

> don't? Why is one sister an alcoholic and the others aren't? It would

> be great if there were a test to determine who got sick from implants and

> who didn't.

>

> Family implant differences

> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000

>

> So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am 100%

> recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3 years and is

> fine and healthy and happy and not had one day of illness or

> anything.

> What do you guys think is the difference between her and I and why

> did

> I get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and she is just

> fine.

> It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just the unlucky

> one...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all have come to

> believe I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I am not

> really

> sensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.

> I work with some girls with implants too and out of all 5 of them one

> has R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.

> Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied it! Wouldn't

> it be great if there was a test so we could know ahead of time if we

> would get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so simple but of

> course I know it is not.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

> you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ya sis it would be cool but it is just the way it is too and I sure

don't dwell on it too much anymore. I was angry as hell for my sis

getting implants after all I went through but, now I am at peace

because I no longer have to stress on what will happen with my health

down the road ya know. It is so good to be healthy and free of it all.

I have read about your husbands uncertaintly and I wanted to tell ya

that my husband loves my natural breasts and it has not at all

affected our sex life. I really never had any doubt from him though,

he was behind me 100% he told me he just loved me and not the bags

under my chest. I hope that yours will come around and once you get

well I am sure he will be thrilled to have the healthy you back!

Good luck and god bless ya

In , " Sis Canfield " <auntsisnj@l...> wrote:

>

> It sure would be great to know why, but since the medical community

> ignores the complaints of people like us, we may never know for sure. I

> guess it's like why are all my sisters fertile as heck and I can't have

> kids, or why does one sister struggle with her weight, but the rest

of us

> don't? Why is one sister an alcoholic and the others aren't? It would

> be great if there were a test to determine who got sick from

implants and

> who didn't.

>

> Family implant differences

> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000

>

> So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am 100%

> recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3 years and is

> fine and healthy and happy and not had one day of illness or

> anything.

> What do you guys think is the difference between her and I and why

> did

> I get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and she is just

> fine.

> It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just the unlucky

> one...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all have come to

> believe I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I am not

> really

> sensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.

> I work with some girls with implants too and out of all 5 of them one

> has R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.

> Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied it! Wouldn't

> it be great if there was a test so we could know ahead of time if we

> would get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so simple but of

> course I know it is not.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

> you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rogene it is me, Heer, I am glad to hear that you missed me. I

hope that we can all be friends again.....I am really happy that you

are all doing well and would love to share my story of hope and

recovery and believe I am one of the many miracles that are walking

around now, healthy after implant hell!

Thanks Rogene

In , Rogene S <saxony01@y...> wrote:

>

> Are you Heer? . . . We've missed hearing from

> you!

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Molly it does appear that women with gel implants tend to react slower

or later than many of us saline girls. I wish I knew what the reason

is! I hope my sis stays healthy as she has not had an easy life, but

she knew what I went through and still got the implants so ya know, it

is hard to not think she was warned and took it upon herself to get

the side effects ....oh well. She is in her early 50's and about 11

years older than me and so far as I said she is happy and feels fine.

She has gained some weight though and the irony in that is that she

now feels too embarassed to go to the gym, so the reason she got them

to begin with ( to look normal in her workout clothes instead of flat)

has backfied and now she no longer wants to be seen in gym clothes at

all. Plus when she got the implants she weight 115 and was tiny so

they 300 cc implants were not so large or out of porportion, now that

she is about 140 lbs she looks much larger in the chest. She should

have skipped the implants but she felt deformed from losing weight. It

is a mad cycle isn't it?

Personally I would rather be the size I am right now than have big

boobs. I love being petite and sleek looking.

I feel a B cup is about ideal and as large as I would ever want to be,

that is with me in a padded or add a cup size. I don't mind going

braless either though, I think it looks fine for me, as I am pretty

petite to begin with.

Molly , thanks for writting.

In , " MollyBloom54 " <mollyb54@b...> wrote:

>

> It was long after 3 years that I became ill from gel implants. Any

'study' that tries to assert

> implants are safe with 3 years of data is meaningless. That would

be like saying - well,

> because a smoker has smoked for 3 years and does not have lung

cancer, that means

> cigarettes are safe. Or, because someone worked with asbestos 3

years ago and does not

> have mesothelioma, it means asbestos is safe. That's simply ludicrous.

> That is why a number of doctors in the FDA hearings were so

concerned about the utter

> dearth of data the manufacturers presented.

>

> As to why some people get sick quickly and others don't -- there are

many variables,

> including the type of implant, whether there is a manufaturing

defect in the implant, etc

> etc.

> There also is the fact that some people may be genetically

predisposed to getting

> autoimmune illness, for example. Contrary to popular belief, this

does NOT absolve a

> manufacturer from designing an inherently dangerous product.

> Some people smoke for 50 years and never get lung cancer while

others do.

> Does this mean cigarettes are safe? Of COURSE NOT.

>

> IN fact, I just had this conversation with my new rheumatologist

(change of insurance

> plan). She - LIKE my former rheumatologist - absolutlely believes

implants are NOT safe.

> She said she has treated way too many women to not know that

implants are dangerous.

> She also believes that some people are more susceptible to certain

types of illness - some

> people's immune system may be stronger than others. That is wholly

independent of the

> safety or danger of a medical device. She made that point with me,

that makes complete

> sense.

>

> \

>

>

> >

> > It sure would be great to know why, but since the medical community

> > ignores the complaints of people like us, we may never know for

sure. I

> > guess it's like why are all my sisters fertile as heck and I can't

have

> > kids, or why does one sister struggle with her weight, but the

rest of us

> > don't? Why is one sister an alcoholic and the others aren't? It

would

> > be great if there were a test to determine who got sick from

implants and

> > who didn't.

> >

> > Family implant differences

> > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000

> >

> > So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am 100%

> > recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3 years and is

> > fine and healthy and happy and not had one day of illness or

> > anything.

> > What do you guys think is the difference between her and I and why

> > did

> > I get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and she is just

> > fine.

> > It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just the unlucky

> > one...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all have come to

> > believe I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I am not

> > really

> > sensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.

> > I work with some girls with implants too and out of all 5 of

them one

> > has R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.

> > Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied it!

Wouldn't

> > it be great if there was a test so we could know ahead of time if we

> > would get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so simple but of

> > course I know it is not.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by

> > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> > treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead

> > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus

> > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Is this who I have spoken with many times ?

Its Sue Here from England,

Hope I have the right person.

Sue

[Guest guest]

- thanks for your message. Hubby has finally come around, and is listening. I actually postponed my surgery because I couldn't deal with doing it under such duress (him acting like a creep about it). So, now I'm having it done on 11/7 with Dr. Feng and this time he's coming with me. It's going to be a difficult month because I'm feeling really bad now, and when I first changed the date I was devastated, because I could be sitting here now without this poison in my system.

Sis

Family implant differences> Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000> > So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am 100%> recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3 years and is> fine and healthy and happy and not had one day of illness or> anything.> What do you guys think is the difference between her and I and why> did> I get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and she is just> fine.> It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just the unlucky> one...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all have come to> believe I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I am not> really> sensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.> I work with some girls with implants too and out of all 5 of them one> has R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.> Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied it! Wouldn't> it be great if there was a test so we could know ahead of time if we> would get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so simple but of> course I know it is not.> > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical> treatment.> > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead> you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about> how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus> ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> >

[Guest guest]

Sis I answered your emails but I was on the wrong account so I don't

think you will see them. I wanted to reasure you that Dr Feng is the

best and you will be in excellent hands. I had my explant and lift

done there in 2000 and I am fine now. I have been completely healed

for years now and living the life I never dreamed of. In Fact illness

is just a faded memory for me.

I hope that things go that way for you too, I am sure they will. She

is the best Dr and I love her for giving me my body and my health

back. My breasts are tiny but I don't mind, they are all mine and look

great! Your husband will like them too, I know mine really loves me

the way I am and he is so grateful that we can travel and have fun and

do all the things I couldn't do when I was ill.

Your going to be in the best possible hands. After my explant I was

feeling so fine I went and saw some sites and being your going to be

with your husband you may want to look into checking some of them out

too. I took my mom with me and we went to Canton which is about 45

minutes from Dr.Fengs office and we saw the NFL hall of fame. We love

football. We bought some souvenirs there too. Then we went to Downtown

Cleveland one day and saw the Rock N Roll hall of fame and that was

really really cool. That was all with my drains in tow too! There are

also really nice restaraunts nearby the office and hotel....the

embassy suites are really nice too. They have kitchenettes and there

is a whole foods that was right down the street with all kind of

healthy and yummy treats and awesome salad bar etc....

let me know if you need any other information on Dr. Fengs office and

the area. I heard that there are some excellent shops there too....I

did a small amount of shopping but not too much.

Hugs,

n , " Sis Canfield " <auntsisnj@l...> wrote:

>

> - thanks for your message. Hubby has finally come around, and is

> listening. I actually postponed my surgery because I couldn't deal with

> doing it under such duress (him acting like a creep about it). So, now

> I'm having it done on 11/7 with Dr. Feng and this time he's coming with

> me. It's going to be a difficult month because I'm feeling really bad

> now, and when I first changed the date I was devastated, because I could

> be sitting here now without this poison in my system. Sis

>

> Family implant differences

> > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000

> >

> > So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am 100%

> > recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3 years and

> is

> > fine and healthy and happy and not had one day of illness or

> > anything.

> > What do you guys think is the difference between her and I and

> why

> > did

> > I get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and she is

> just

> > fine.

> > It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just the

> unlucky

> > one...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all have come

> to

> > believe I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I am not

> > really

> > sensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.

> > I work with some girls with implants too and out of all 5 of them

> one

> > has R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.

> > Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied it!

> Wouldn't

> > it be great if there was a test so we could know ahead of time if

> we

> > would get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so simple but

> of

> > course I know it is not.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by

> > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> > treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead

> > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> about

> > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> Linus

> > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> Peace)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

HI Ya Sue, yeah it is me...... Just dropping in to say to a few girls.

How the heck are you doing? I am so glad to hear from you and that

your doing ok!

hugs,

In , gibbense@a... wrote:

>

> Is this who I have spoken with many times ?

> Its Sue Here from England,

> Hope I have the right person.

>

> Sue

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lea thanks for the wishes and welcomes. I am not sick anymore, so

that is the good news. I have overcome my rather quick illness from

implants and don't really have any problems left behind from it. I

think the last thing to go was my heel problems and now that is long

gone too. I am even wearing high heels again! lol! But anyhow Lea I do

worry about my sister but so far she is fine. She has the newer gels

so I am not sure about how they work as far as leaking and all. I know

she is ok so far. Her boobs are huge because she has put on about 20

pounds since she got the implants but other wise she is ok.

I am sorry to hear about your problems with silicone implants. That

sucks Lea. I am hoping everyone can someday be cured the way I have

been blessed.

I thank you for your welcome Lea.

Hugs

In , " Lea " <devans@c...> wrote:

>

> Dearest :

>

> I became sick soon after I received my silicone breast implants. My

doctor

> knew nothing about breast implants and he started doing every test

possible

> to see what was wrong with me. I think it depends on the type of

implant

> because many women in my group were not sick until much later. In my

case

> the implants were thin shelled and ruptured soon after they were

implanted.

> We did not know this until late in the nineties. My plastic surgeon had

> moved to the states and we could not find him. We did find him and

we wrote

> to him and he responded claiming that if the Dacron patches were

still in my

> body they had to be ruptured. Stupid idiot, why did he not remove these

> patches and the capsules before he implanted me with BMS's deadly poly

> implants which ruptured soon after they were implanted.

>

> Honey, I do remember your name, but I know nothing about your case.

My wish

> is that you get well and welcome to this loving group.

> Love always.........Lea

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`````

> Family implant differences

> >> > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000

> >> >

> >> > So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am 100%

> >> > recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3 years

and is

> >> > fine and healthy and happy and not had one day of illness or

> >> > anything.

> >> > What do you guys think is the difference between her and I

and why

> >> > did

> >> > I get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and she

is just

> >> > fine.

> >> > It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just the

unlucky

> >> > one...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all have

come to

> >> > believe I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I am not

> >> > really

> >> > sensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.

> >> > I work with some girls with implants too and out of all 5 of

> > them one

> >> > has R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.

> >> > Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied it!

> > Wouldn't

> >> > it be great if there was a test so we could know ahead of

time if we

> >> > would get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so simple

but of

> >> > course I know it is not.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given by

> >> > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >> > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> >> > treatment.

> >> >

> >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead

> >> > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

about

> >> > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> > Linus

> >> > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

,

You were really fortunate to have had such an easy

recovery from your implant experience. I wish it was

that easy for everyone. Some women can hardly move,

much less exercise. Diet and detoxing is an extremely

important part of their recovery.

We keep trying and sharing . . . The power of the

group is so much greater than that of any single one

of us! We just keep learning and getting better! I

learn more every day.

If conventional medicine had the answers for us, they

never would have put the blasted implants in us in the

first place! Their denial that implants cause health

problems compounds their ignorance to the point they

look really, really stupid!

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hi - thanks so much for your message. I was curious to know if the pain was less than it was when I got the implants, and I definitely spent the first few days after the implants in bed, so if it's possible to be shopping and hitting museums a few days after surgery, that's encouraging. Also great to hear some more feedback on Dr. Feng. I really do feel she is the right person for the surgery, and I'm thankful that my husband finally came around as well. I can't wait to get these things out of my body and get my health back.

Sis

Family implant differences> > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000> >> > So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am 100%> > recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3 years and> is> > fine and healthy and happy and not had one day of illness or> > anything.> > What do you guys think is the difference between her and I and> why> > did> > I get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and she is> just> > fine.> > It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just the> unlucky> > one...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all have come> to> > believe I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I am not> > really> > sensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.> > I work with some girls with implants too and out of all 5 of them> one> > has R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.> > Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied it!> Wouldn't> > it be great if there was a test so we could know ahead of time if> we> > would get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so simple but> of> > course I know it is not.> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice> given by> > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or> > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical> > treatment.> >> > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians> mislead> > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions> about> > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." -> Linus> > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,> Peace)> >> >

[Guest guest]

Yes Sue things are good and I am glad that she is well too. I am sad

that we are not really talking anymore but feel at this time that is

the way it needs to be.

I am so happy to know your ok. I lost your email so I never did get to

talk to you.

Things are well here. My mom had to have heart surgery and she is

doing great. Without this surgery we may have lost her, so modern

medicine sure does have it's advantages.

Hugs Sue

In , gibbense@a... wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> I was talking to L.M the other day I asked her how you were doing

but I

> guess I know now and I am glad to hear you are really good.

> Nice to see you around again.

> Love Sue

>

[Guest guest]

Yes my explant was very easy compared to my implantation but I don't

think I ever said it was all easy. I was pretty ill and was desperate

at times in fact suicidal. However with allot of perserverance and a

good attitude and just doing one thing at a time (support of a

wonderful husband) I did recover. It took me about 1-1 1/2 years to

really get there but from there on it was all uphill. I had many

setbacks in the beginning but they sorta helped me get better every

time. I learned so much and have become a much stronger person for it.

I agree that each case is different but, I don't think I ever said my

recovery was easy. That is not the case at all. I was taking pain meds

every day to get up and get to work....I think my fighting spirit was

probably my biggest asset. Anyhow that is all behind me now as my

health has never been better....lets hope it always stays that way ya

know. Health is so fragile and one never knows when it can be lost

again. I know for a fact that being as active as one possibly can if

that means just walking up and down a flight of stairs or even just

around the block whatever we can do...it really helps. I have done

about everything there is from swimming to walking to light weights to

heavy weights to pilates and yoga.....and even biking and hiking. It

just takes time and yes determination. Of course there are sicker

women than me, but I truly was at one time bed ridden so if I can get

there I have faith others can too. We all have to find our own path

sometimes and encouragment can really help

Take care

In , Rogene S <saxony01@y...> wrote:

>

> ,

>

> You were really fortunate to have had such an easy

> recovery from your implant experience. I wish it was

> that easy for everyone. Some women can hardly move,

> much less exercise. Diet and detoxing is an extremely

> important part of their recovery.

>

> We keep trying and sharing . . . The power of the

> group is so much greater than that of any single one

> of us! We just keep learning and getting better! I

> learn more every day.

>

> If conventional medicine had the answers for us, they

> never would have put the blasted implants in us in the

> first place! Their denial that implants cause health

> problems compounds their ignorance to the point they

> look really, really stupid!

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

Sis I won't tell you there was no pain but minimal esp compared to

them implants being put in. It is so much easier and yes I was out and

about after the first few days.... most of the girls I know of that

went to Feng have expressed the same comments. That they were out and

seeing sights around cleveland within a day or two. You will be run

down and tired the first few days but by 3 days you will be ready to

hit the sites. So have a map and some cash ready for fun.

I have actually got good memories of that trip.

Hugs

In , " Sis Canfield " <auntsisnj@l...> wrote:

>

> Hi - thanks so much for your message. I was curious to know if

> the pain was less than it was when I got the implants, and I definitely

> spent the first few days after the implants in bed, so if it's possible

> to be shopping and hitting museums a few days after surgery, that's

> encouraging. Also great to hear some more feedback on Dr. Feng. I

> really do feel she is the right person for the surgery, and I'm thankful

> that my husband finally came around as well. I can't wait to get these

> things out of my body and get my health back. Sis

>

> Family implant differences

> > > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000

> > >

> > > So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am 100%

> > > recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3 years

> and

> > is

> > > fine and healthy and happy and not had one day of illness or

> > > anything.

> > > What do you guys think is the difference between her and I

> and

> > why

> > > did

> > > I get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and she

> is

> > just

> > > fine.

> > > It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just the

> > unlucky

> > > one...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all have

> come

> > to

> > > believe I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I am

> not

> > > really

> > > sensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.

> > > I work with some girls with implants too and out of all 5 of

> them

> > one

> > > has R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.

> > > Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied it!

> > Wouldn't

> > > it be great if there was a test so we could know ahead of

> time if

> > we

> > > would get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so simple

> but

> > of

> > > course I know it is not.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given by

> > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > > licensed health care professional before commencing any

> medical

> > > treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead

> > > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> > about

> > > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. "

> -

> > Linus

> > > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> > Peace)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Sis

That is really great that your husband is going to go with you. It

is bound to make your relationship closer and it will be really good

for him to be there to talk to Dr. Feng too. Dr. Feng said that my

husband could see how I looked after the surgery, but I nixed it. I

didn't let Dale see me for at least 3-4 weeks. I was practically

concave until they fluffed out. I am just telling you that so that

you will be prepared if she asks if you want your husband there for

a look too. I am sure for some women that wasn't a problem, but for

me, I am glad that I waited for him to see the results.

Hugs,kathy

> >

> > It sure would be great to know why, but since the medical

community

> > ignores the complaints of people like us, we may never know for

> sure. I

> > guess it's like why are all my sisters fertile as heck and I

can't

> have

> > kids, or why does one sister struggle with her weight, but the

rest

> of us

> > don't? Why is one sister an alcoholic and the others aren't?

It

> would

> > be great if there were a test to determine who got sick from

> implants and

> > who didn't.

> >

> > Family implant differences

> > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000

> >

> > So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am 100%

> > recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3 years

and

> is

> > fine and healthy and happy and not had one day of illness or

> > anything.

> > What do you guys think is the difference between her and I

and

> why

> > did

> > I get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and she

is

> just

> > fine.

> > It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just the

> unlucky

> > one...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all have

come

> to

> > believe I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I am

not

> > really

> > sensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.

> > I work with some girls with implants too and out of all 5 of

them

> one

> > has R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.

> > Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied it!

> Wouldn't

> > it be great if there was a test so we could know ahead of

time if

> we

> > would get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so simple

but

> of

> > course I know it is not.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by

> > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > licensed health care professional before commencing any

medical

> > treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead

> > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> about

> > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better

world. " -

> Linus

> > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> Peace)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy - yeah, I think it will be good for us to be together during

that time. I'm glad it'll be done and over with before the new year,

I don't want to get used to feeling terrible. I have the feeling my

husband would not want to see my breasts right after surgery, because

he's quite squeemish. I think I'll do like you did, and show him 3

or 4 weeks later. I just decided to put pictures of me pre-BA in my

purse, so I can bring it along to show Dr. Feng - perhaps that will

help her in putting me back together. This is such a confusing

condition - because some days I feel like I'm about to die, and other

days I don't feel all that bad. Or I can start out the day feeling

great, and then suddenly I'll feel terrible. I have to stop beating

myself up for having the BA, and just look forward to getting the

implants out of my body. I've been really tough on myself.

> > >

> > > It sure would be great to know why, but since the medical

> community

> > > ignores the complaints of people like us, we may never know

for

> > sure. I

> > > guess it's like why are all my sisters fertile as heck and I

> can't

> > have

> > > kids, or why does one sister struggle with her weight, but

the

> rest

> > of us

> > > don't? Why is one sister an alcoholic and the others

aren't?

> It

> > would

> > > be great if there were a test to determine who got sick from

> > implants and

> > > who didn't.

> > >

> > > Family implant differences

> > > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000

> > >

> > > So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am 100%

> > > recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3 years

> and

> > is

> > > fine and healthy and happy and not had one day of illness or

> > > anything.

> > > What do you guys think is the difference between her and I

> and

> > why

> > > did

> > > I get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and she

> is

> > just

> > > fine.

> > > It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just the

> > unlucky

> > > one...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all

have

> come

> > to

> > > believe I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I am

> not

> > > really

> > > sensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.

> > > I work with some girls with implants too and out of all 5

of

> them

> > one

> > > has R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.

> > > Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied it!

> > Wouldn't

> > > it be great if there was a test so we could know ahead of

> time if

> > we

> > > would get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so

simple

> but

> > of

> > > course I know it is not.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given by

> > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

or

> > > licensed health care professional before commencing any

> medical

> > > treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

politicians

> > mislead

> > > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions

> > about

> > > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better

> world. " -

> > Linus

> > > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> > Peace)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Sis it really is normal that is how I felt too before my explant. I

would wake up thinking, wow today I feel pretty darn good! And then I

would realize that no matter what I had to explant those toxic bombs

because I could not live with them anymore. If I had been totally

cured with them in me I still probably would never have been at peace

with my body so it was really what needed to be done. I tried to do

what I could. I really could not afford allot of supplements and allot

of expensive things so I did what I could afford. To me the most

important step was the money to removed the implants and that I looked

normal afterward so that I did not fall apart emotionally from being

deformed. I think knowing that I looked good and that all that crap

was out of my body helped me to heal so much. I was blessed that I did

not have allot of yeast issues or anything like that. I did some

really cheap things like soak in epsom salts baths and take raw garlic

and some simple things like eat a really healthy diet with the money I

could afford. It worked for me. Hey it is only my story and it may not

be the same as everyones but it worked for me so it has to matter in

some way to someone out there.

I admit I did not spend a ton of money of detoxing or anything, but I

found that working up a good sweat and eating a nice healthy clean

diet most of the time really helped and that in the end I got well and

that is what counts.

I can't say I had a perfect diet but who does? I think I did what

worked for my finances and for my situation it was the only

alternative. Of course one I got married and moved to Idaho with my

new husband I had allot more money to invest into my healing and lucky

for me by then I was so much better that I felt the route I had been

on was there for a reason and continued to do it to this day.

I find that if I get enough exercise, enough sleep and keep busy doing

things in my life, and that I am happy that this really contributes to

my well being. I hardly even catch a cold anymore, so I know I am

doing something right! I know that being healthy in a fitness way and

not having allot of body fat helps because the body stores toxins in

the fatty tissues so I know that has helped me allot.

I also think some of it is just good old luck and good genes too.

Anyhow Sis you do what you need to do, follow your heart that is half

the battle right there, knowing what to do, listen to your body. I

know my body tells me what to do and is right almost all the time.

The girls here have some great ideas too. I think pretty much anyone

that has been cured from this illness has allot of wisdom and should

be a great source of information and stregnth.

Hugs,

In , " auntsisnj " <auntsisnj@l...> wrote:

>

> Hi Kathy - yeah, I think it will be good for us to be together during

> that time. I'm glad it'll be done and over with before the new year,

> I don't want to get used to feeling terrible. I have the feeling my

> husband would not want to see my breasts right after surgery, because

> he's quite squeemish. I think I'll do like you did, and show him 3

> or 4 weeks later. I just decided to put pictures of me pre-BA in my

> purse, so I can bring it along to show Dr. Feng - perhaps that will

> help her in putting me back together. This is such a confusing

> condition - because some days I feel like I'm about to die, and other

> days I don't feel all that bad. Or I can start out the day feeling

> great, and then suddenly I'll feel terrible. I have to stop beating

> myself up for having the BA, and just look forward to getting the

> implants out of my body. I've been really tough on myself.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > It sure would be great to know why, but since the medical

> > community

> > > > ignores the complaints of people like us, we may never know

> for

> > > sure. I

> > > > guess it's like why are all my sisters fertile as heck and I

> > can't

> > > have

> > > > kids, or why does one sister struggle with her weight, but

> the

> > rest

> > > of us

> > > > don't? Why is one sister an alcoholic and the others

> aren't?

> > It

> > > would

> > > > be great if there were a test to determine who got sick from

> > > implants and

> > > > who didn't.

> > > >

> > > > Family implant differences

> > > > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000

> > > >

> > > > So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am 100%

> > > > recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3 years

> > and

> > > is

> > > > fine and healthy and happy and not had one day of illness or

> > > > anything.

> > > > What do you guys think is the difference between her and I

> > and

> > > why

> > > > did

> > > > I get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and she

> > is

> > > just

> > > > fine.

> > > > It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just the

> > > unlucky

> > > > one...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all

> have

> > come

> > > to

> > > > believe I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I am

> > not

> > > > really

> > > > sensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.

> > > > I work with some girls with implants too and out of all 5

> of

> > them

> > > one

> > > > has R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.

> > > > Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied it!

> > > Wouldn't

> > > > it be great if there was a test so we could know ahead of

> > time if

> > > we

> > > > would get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so

> simple

> > but

> > > of

> > > > course I know it is not.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > > given by

> > > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

> or

> > > > licensed health care professional before commencing any

> > medical

> > > > treatment.

> > > >

> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians

> > > mislead

> > > > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions

> > > about

> > > > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better

> > world. " -

> > > Linus

> > > > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> > > Peace)

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

- you said it all. On the days when I'm feeling confused about surgery, I remind myself that my life will not return to normal if they are left in my body, and even if all the symptoms stopped tomorrow, I would forever worry about them. I don't even like having boobs, I find I wear bras that squish them down so I look like I used to, and I wear things to hide them. They just don't match my personality. I don't understand those who say they boost their confidence (on the pro-implant sites), because I think they've taken mine away. I just can't wait to feel like my old self again.

Family implant differences> > > > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000> > > >> > > > So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am 100%> > > > recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3 years > > and> > > is> > > > fine and healthy and happy and not had one day of illness or> > > > anything.> > > > What do you guys think is the difference between her and I > > and> > > why> > > > did> > > > I get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and she > > is> > > just> > > > fine.> > > > It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just the> > > unlucky> > > > one...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all > have > > come> > > to> > > > believe I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I am > > not> > > > really> > > > sensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.> > > > I work with some girls with implants too and out of all 5 > of > > them> > > one> > > > has R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.> > > > Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied it!> > > Wouldn't> > > > it be great if there was a test so we could know ahead of > > time if> > > we> > > > would get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so > simple > > but> > > of> > > > course I know it is not.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice> > > given by> > > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician > or> > > > licensed health care professional before commencing any > > medical> > > > treatment.> > > >> > > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the > politicians> > > mislead> > > > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > decisions> > > about> > > > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better > > world." -> > > Linus> > > > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,> > > Peace)> > > >> > > >

[Guest guest]

What a surprise to see you here again!

> >

> > Are you Heer? . . . We've missed hearing from

> > you!

> >

> > Rogene

> >

>

[Guest guest]

It sounds like you have thought alot of this through--that's good!

The way you describe your illness--feeling good somedays and not

others---or feeling good and then bad or the opposite in the same

day--that was very typical of mine. When I am detoxing and herxing

to something, that still happens. But not as often by any means.

Now those symptoms are usually just fatigue, or muscle spasms where

they used to be all kinds of weird sensations, brain dysfunction,

and irregular heart beats. It is common for symptoms to fluctuate

after explant for a length of time---some disappearing, some

leaving, then returning with a lowered frequency or severity,

sometimes new symptoms appearing as the body detoxes, but then

disappearing later. For many women, it is a procession of back and

forth---often 2 steps forward, and then a step back. The length of

time it takes for women to get better is very variable. Therefore

it is best to be prepared for just about anything as far as what

symptoms may or may not improve right away. Just know that you will

be getting better!

Hugs, kathy

> > > >

> > > > It sure would be great to know why, but since the medical

> > community

> > > > ignores the complaints of people like us, we may never

know

> for

> > > sure. I

> > > > guess it's like why are all my sisters fertile as heck and

I

> > can't

> > > have

> > > > kids, or why does one sister struggle with her weight, but

> the

> > rest

> > > of us

> > > > don't? Why is one sister an alcoholic and the others

> aren't?

> > It

> > > would

> > > > be great if there were a test to determine who got sick

from

> > > implants and

> > > > who didn't.

> > > >

> > > > Family implant differences

> > > > Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:20 -0000

> > > >

> > > > So it has been almost 6 years since my explant and I am

100%

> > > > recovered. My sister has had her implants (gel) for 3

years

> > and

> > > is

> > > > fine and healthy and happy and not had one day of

illness or

> > > > anything.

> > > > What do you guys think is the difference between her and

I

> > and

> > > why

> > > > did

> > > > I get sick within 3 months of implantation (saline) and

she

> > is

> > > just

> > > > fine.

> > > > It sure has been hard for me to accept that I was just

the

> > > unlucky

> > > > one...and my family of course thinks it weird. they all

> have

> > come

> > > to

> > > > believe I am just sensitive. That is bull though since I

am

> > not

> > > > really

> > > > sensitive to anything else...meaning no allergies etc.

> > > > I work with some girls with implants too and out of all

5

> of

> > them

> > > one

> > > > has R/A the rest all seem fine and healthy.

> > > > Wonder what the difference is and why no one has studied

it!

> > > Wouldn't

> > > > it be great if there was a test so we could know ahead

of

> > time if

> > > we

> > > > would get sick or not? Like an allergy test? Seems so

> simple

> > but

> > > of

> > > > course I know it is not.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

advice

> > > given by

> > > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your

physician

> or

> > > > licensed health care professional before commencing any

> > medical

> > > > treatment.

> > > >

> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians

> > > mislead

> > > > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions

> > > about

> > > > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better

> > world. " -

> > > Linus

> > > > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry;

1963,

> > > Peace)

> > > >

> > > >