Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Hi Cherie, You might look at Dr. Kolb's protocol -- This is the 'silicone' immune protocol: http://www.plastikos.com/siliconpt.html However, since you are preparing for surgery, I think you should ASK your surgeon specifically what you should NOT take prior to surgery! I know Dr. Kolb told me certain things to AVOID, and I can't remember what they were. I do not see anything on this protocol specifically stating what to avoid prior to surgery. > Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question. > I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and should > not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant surgery. I > am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if there is > anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then to begin > detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day by day > instead of daily feeling worse than the day before. > Thank you again, > Cherie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 thank you, that's just what I was looking for --- In , " MollyBloom54 " <mollyb54@b...> wrote: > Hi Cherie, > You might look at Dr. Kolb's protocol -- This is the 'silicone' immune protocol: > http://www.plastikos.com/siliconpt.html > > However, since you are preparing for surgery, I think you should ASK your surgeon > specifically what you should NOT take prior to surgery! I know Dr. Kolb told me certain > things to AVOID, and I can't remember what they were. I do not see anything on this protocol > specifically stating what to avoid prior to surgery. > > > --- In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...> wrote: > > Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question. > > I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and should > > not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant surgery. I > > am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if there is > > anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then to begin > > detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day by day > > instead of daily feeling worse than the day before. > > Thank you again, > > Cherie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Cherie, I would begin treating for candida/yeast because most of us are affected by it. Basically that means avoiding sugar and refined grains. If you can eliminate processed foods and eat organic, so much the better. Also, add some probiotics . . . like acidopholis or Fungal and Primal Defense. Dr. Kolb's protocol is mostly about controling these problems. Hugs and prayers, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Cherie You can do several gentle things to help prepare your body. First, drink alot of good quality, chlorine free water. It helps flush out toxins. The Maker's Diet book has a forty day eating plan that is very good. It is very specific about what to eat and not to eat. I have found many of the items he has mentioned as being beneficial. I have purchased fermented carrots, beets, saurkraut, and as much organic as possible. Especially organic chicken, beef and dairy--I have also found a great source of raw milk and I make my own yogurt. Foods like yogurt (organic, homemade) and kefir are very good for killing candida and supporting the immune system. Candida is usually a major problem with implanted women and may be responsible for alot of their symptoms--especially brainfog and dizziness, fatigue, etc. In the Maker's Diet, Dr.Rubin talks about his wholefood products and I have used many of them as well. IT would be good to take the primal defense. Many of us here swear by it. I have been taking it for 4 years. I probably wouldn't take the fungal defense until you are explanted as it can produce stronger detox. I think these are some of the top things to be doing before explant. Also reducing your exposure to toxins. I have completely done away with toxic cleaning products, make-up, shampoos and hair products. As far as the list right before explant, I think your doctor might provide that. I didn't have a list, was just told to stay away from things that thin the blood--aspirin, advil, some herbs and vitamins. NOw some doctors also include some supplements to take before surgery. I know that Dr. Feng now has a list. But that would be a for a few weeks before surgery. I just want to also say that while it is good to do gentle detox and change your diet, etc. many women still do not note much if any improvement until after explant. I remember one woman in particular who was really doing so much before explant to try and get better and she could barely hang in there. Once explanted though, her improvements really took off! Again, this only convinces me how necessary it is for the majority of women to get explanted if they want to get better. All of the detoxes, diet changes, etc. are usually still not enough to compensate for the damage being done by the implants on a daily basis. So please don't get discouraged if making these changes don't bring about alot of improvement before explant. They still need to be done however, and will pay off in the long run! Hugs, kathy > Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question. > I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and should > not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant surgery. I > am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if there is > anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then to begin > detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day by day > instead of daily feeling worse than the day before. > Thank you again, > Cherie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Thanks Kathy - I keep hearing about The Makers Diet and am going to get the ?book? I have made a lot of changes to my diet over the last few years of being sick, but as you said, nothing worked and probably will not until I get these things out. What is primal defense? I am seeing a wellness doctor (who is actually the only one who said the implants could be the problem). He has me on different supplements - nothing is working so far, but I don't really expect them to until after surgery. I feel like my thoughts are not coming out very clear in communicating with you, I am sorry. Don't feel very well and trying not to get emotionally down - trying to keep up with normal acivities for my family, despite feeling lousy. I just keep waking up hoping that today will be the day I hear from the insurance company so I can get this surgery scheduled. Thank you for your help. Hugs back. Cherie --- In , " mikat828 " <mikat828@y...> wrote: > > Cherie > You can do several gentle things to help prepare your body. First, > drink alot of good quality, chlorine free water. It helps flush out > toxins. The Maker's Diet book has a forty day eating plan that is > very good. It is very specific about what to eat and not to eat. I > have found many of the items he has mentioned as being beneficial. I > have purchased fermented carrots, beets, saurkraut, and as much > organic as possible. Especially organic chicken, beef and dairy-- I > have also found a great source of raw milk and I make my own yogurt. > Foods like yogurt (organic, homemade) and kefir are very good for > killing candida and supporting the immune system. Candida is usually > a major problem with implanted women and may be responsible for alot > of their symptoms--especially brainfog and dizziness, fatigue, etc. > In the Maker's Diet, Dr.Rubin talks about his wholefood products and > I > have used many of them as well. IT would be good to take the primal > defense. Many of us here swear by it. I have been taking it for 4 > years. I probably wouldn't take the fungal defense until you are > explanted as it can produce stronger detox. I think these are some > of > the top things to be doing before explant. Also reducing your > exposure to toxins. I have completely done away with toxic cleaning > products, make-up, shampoos and hair products. > As far as the list right before explant, I think your doctor might > provide that. I didn't have a list, was just told to stay away from > things that thin the blood--aspirin, advil, some herbs and vitamins. > NOw some doctors also include some supplements to take before > surgery. I know that Dr. Feng now has a list. But that would be a > for a few weeks before surgery. > I just want to also say that while it is good to do gentle detox and > change your diet, etc. many women still do not note much if any > improvement until after explant. I remember one woman in particular > who was really doing so much before explant to try and get better and > she could barely hang in there. Once explanted though, her > improvements really took off! Again, this only convinces me how > necessary it is for the majority of women to get explanted if they > want to get better. All of the detoxes, diet changes, etc. are > usually still not enough to compensate for the damage being done by > the implants on a daily basis. So please don't get discouraged if > making these changes don't bring about alot of improvement before > explant. They still need to be done however, and will pay off in the > long run! > Hugs, kathy > > > > > > > > --- In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...> wrote: > > Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question. > > I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and > should > > not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant surgery. > I > > am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if there is > > anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then to > begin > > detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day by day > > instead of daily feeling worse than the day before. > > Thank you again, > > Cherie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 The Makers Diet is fabulous! I actually did it over lent. Ironically I started it prior to my BA ( I didn 't read the whole book unfortunately). I felt sooooo great when I did it. It was tough because of the desire for carbs especially fruit. I was also soooo thirsty. Definitely drink alot of water. I really believe that the reason I healed so quickly postop is because of the Maker's Diet. I was really healthy going in and going out. I used minimal pain meds and healed dramatically quickly. I even went to a wedding and drove myself to it 2 days post op. I highly recommend Maker's Diet. Be wary of the abundant vitamins. I am a believer in the 100% RDA for vitamins. There are reasonable rules and assessments statistically based for these values. I don't believe in the 1300% of RDA and the like for vitamins. Essentially you are genereating very expensive urine and actually can be harder on your body with the excess vitamins. Too much of a good thing is too much of a good thing. Be careful with excess protein without enough water especially for protecting the kidneys ( kidneys filter protein and require water so that they don't have to work so hard). Above all, exericise is paramount. Walking....just like Josh Rubin purports is adequate. Stretching is excelllent....look at the gymnasts and ballerinas. About the insurance companies. Don't put a lot of hope or trust in them. Insurance companies are not your friend. They exist to make money for themselves, not to help their consumer. See the recent publications of the CEO of the United Health Care Company. The CEO makes 10 million dollars a year in salary and receives 84 million dollars in stock options a year. THe stock recently went up, so this guy is banking. These are the same people who are saying doctors are the rich ones of the industry, yet they won't pay for our procedures for reasons x, y, and z; only so they will have more money at year's end for their bonuses. Aren't you paying more for insurance and receiving fewer benefits? I don't know about you, but I am sick of the insurance scams. I feel sorry for the doctors who have to work so hard. I don't know about you, but doesn't it seem that the rich ones are the insurance companies and not the doctors (except the plastic surgeons who receive our cash!) Anyway, off the soap box, but I would proceed with the operations if you are feeling poorly and forget about the insurance. Do you think they'll really pay? I thought they had corollary's regarding this stuff? SBCherie <cheriesut@...> wrote: Thanks Kathy - I keep hearing about The Makers Diet and am going to get the ?book? I have made a lot of changes to my diet over the last few years of being sick, but as you said, nothing worked and probably will not until I get these things out. What is primal defense? I am seeing a wellness doctor (who is actually the only one who said the implants could be the problem). He has me on different supplements - nothing is working so far, but I don't really expect them to until after surgery. I feel like my thoughts are not coming out very clear in communicating with you, I am sorry. Don't feel very well and trying not to get emotionally down -trying to keep up with normal acivities for my family, despite feeling lousy. I just keep waking up hoping that today will be the day I hear from the insurance company so I can get this surgery scheduled. Thank you for your help. Hugs back. Cherie> > Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question.> > I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and> should > > not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant surgery. > I > > am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if there is > > anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then to > begin > > detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day by day > > instead of daily feeling worse than the day before.> > Thank you again,> > Cherie for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Thanks I considered your advise, and after getting support from my husband, I am going ahead tomorrow to schedule surgery without waiting on insurance. I signed up for the Maker's Diet, but now am wondering if I can handle it right now. I feel so overwhelmed with emotion and stress with the surgery coming up. Over the last few years I have eliminated most preservatives and bleached flour, drink water, and try to eat a lot of raw vegies, but have not gone so far as to find everything organic and eliminate all sugar. I know it will be good for me, but seems soooo HARD right now. Thanks for the help. Cherie > > > Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question. > > > I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and > > should > > > not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant > surgery. > > I > > > am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if there > is > > > anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then to > > begin > > > detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day by > day > > > instead of daily feeling worse than the day before. > > > Thank you again, > > > Cherie > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Cherie I know that allot of women might disagree with me but the fact is that it sounds like your diet is already pretty clean. I have to admit that I just could not afford all the organic stuff and natural foods stores products so I had to eat pretty much normal food and not much special. I ate whole grains and healthy stuff when I could but I did what I could afford too, and I got well. I am completely well now and think that we have to do what we can in our own time and way. Don't beat yourself up over the fact your not eating all organic veggies. Trust me you can still get better. We can only do so much sometimes but it can still work. I think you will be ok really just do the best you can and don't beat yourself up over the shortcomings in diet perfection. Hugs, In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...> wrote: > > Thanks > I considered your advise, and after getting support from my husband, > I am going ahead tomorrow to schedule surgery without waiting on > insurance. I signed up for the Maker's Diet, but now am wondering > if I can handle it right now. I feel so overwhelmed with emotion > and stress with the surgery coming up. Over the last few years I > have eliminated most preservatives and bleached flour, drink water, > and try to eat a lot of raw vegies, but have not gone so far as to > find everything organic and eliminate all sugar. I know it will be > good for me, but seems soooo HARD right now. Thanks for the help. > Cherie > > > > > Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question. > > > > I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and > > > should > > > > not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant > > surgery. > > > I > > > > am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if > there > > is > > > > anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then > to > > > begin > > > > detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day > by > > day > > > > instead of daily feeling worse than the day before. > > > > Thank you again, > > > > Cherie > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > treatment. > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 I think we have to give ourselves a break sometiems, I mean I know that some of that organic stuff is way expensive and frankly when your sick and broke you just can't always afford it. That is nice that you can but allot of us sickened by implants have spent so much money already on surgery and things that it just gets to be overwhelming. If women can afford it hey that is great but remember that allot of us did get well without that and we are still around to talk about how we are doing well so I think that if you can't afford that do the best you can. I eat healthy I eat allot of whole grains and fresh veggies and get my dairy products from a farm across the street where I live. I do what I can. I eat hormone free grass fed meats and when I can free range chicken. The point is I got well and turned my health around pretty well with what I did and that is the important thing. If you can afford the more expensive things that is fine, But I was single and living in a mobile home and money was tight so i did what I could and that was it. and I got well. Hugs In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > > Everyone has to do the best they can. I got well eating very little organic > foods but eating a balanced healthy diet. I eat organic only now because I > know it is better for me and tastes a whole lot better as well. The truth > is, if you're only eating USDA rated organic foods, you might as well be > eating traditional farmed foods because certain pesticides and toxins are > still allowed. > > Kenda > > > > Cherie I know that allot of women might disagree with me but the fact > > is that it sounds like your diet is already pretty clean. I have to > > admit that I just could not afford all the organic stuff and natural > > foods stores products so I had to eat pretty much normal food and not > > much special. I ate whole grains and healthy stuff when I could but I > > did what I could afford too, and I got well. I am completely well now > > and think that we have to do what we can in our own time and way. > > Don't beat yourself up over the fact your not eating all organic > > veggies. Trust me you can still get better. We can only do so much > > sometimes but it can still work. > > I think you will be ok really just do the best you can and don't beat > > yourself up over the shortcomings in diet perfection. > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...> wrote: > >> > >> Thanks > >> I considered your advise, and after getting support from my husband, > >> I am going ahead tomorrow to schedule surgery without waiting on > >> insurance. I signed up for the Maker's Diet, but now am wondering > >> if I can handle it right now. I feel so overwhelmed with emotion > >> and stress with the surgery coming up. Over the last few years I > >> have eliminated most preservatives and bleached flour, drink water, > >> and try to eat a lot of raw vegies, but have not gone so far as to > >> find everything organic and eliminate all sugar. I know it will be > >> good for me, but seems soooo HARD right now. Thanks for the help. > >> Cherie > >> > >>>>> Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question. > >>>>> I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and > >>>> should > >>>>> not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant > >>> surgery. > >>>> I > >>>>> am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if > >> there > >>> is > >>>>> anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then > >> to > >>>> begin > >>>>> detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day > >> by > >>> day > >>>>> instead of daily feeling worse than the day before. > >>>>> Thank you again, > >>>>> Cherie > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > >> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > >> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > >> treatment. > >>> > >>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > >> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > >> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > >> Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 I would not be judgmental about organic foods. Many of us know that is why we are alive. We were so toxic that we could not tolerate anything else. It is not for us to tell others that they should not use organic foods. We need to be helpful, not judgmental. Lynda At 05:38 PM 10/8/2005, you wrote: >I think we have to give ourselves a break sometiems, I mean I know >that some of that organic stuff is way expensive and frankly when your >sick and broke you just can't always afford it. That is nice that you >can but allot of us sickened by implants have spent so much money >already on surgery and things that it just gets to be overwhelming. If >women can afford it hey that is great but remember that allot of us >did get well without that and we are still around to talk about how we >are doing well so I think that if you can't afford that do the best >you can. I eat healthy I eat allot of whole grains and fresh veggies >and get my dairy products from a farm across the street where I live. >I do what I can. I eat hormone free grass fed meats and when I can >free range chicken. >The point is I got well and turned my health around pretty well with >what I did and that is the important thing. >If you can afford the more expensive things that is fine, But I was >single and living in a mobile home and money was tight so i did what I >could and that was it. and I got well. >Hugs > > > > > > >In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > > > > Everyone has to do the best they can. I got well eating very little >organic > > foods but eating a balanced healthy diet. I eat organic only now >because I > > know it is better for me and tastes a whole lot better as well. The >truth > > is, if you're only eating USDA rated organic foods, you might as well be > > eating traditional farmed foods because certain pesticides and >toxins are > > still allowed. > > > > Kenda > > > > > > > Cherie I know that allot of women might disagree with me but the fact > > > is that it sounds like your diet is already pretty clean. I have to > > > admit that I just could not afford all the organic stuff and natural > > > foods stores products so I had to eat pretty much normal food and not > > > much special. I ate whole grains and healthy stuff when I could but I > > > did what I could afford too, and I got well. I am completely well now > > > and think that we have to do what we can in our own time and way. > > > Don't beat yourself up over the fact your not eating all organic > > > veggies. Trust me you can still get better. We can only do so much > > > sometimes but it can still work. > > > I think you will be ok really just do the best you can and don't beat > > > yourself up over the shortcomings in diet perfection. > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...> wrote: > > >> > > >> Thanks > > >> I considered your advise, and after getting support from my husband, > > >> I am going ahead tomorrow to schedule surgery without waiting on > > >> insurance. I signed up for the Maker's Diet, but now am wondering > > >> if I can handle it right now. I feel so overwhelmed with emotion > > >> and stress with the surgery coming up. Over the last few years I > > >> have eliminated most preservatives and bleached flour, drink water, > > >> and try to eat a lot of raw vegies, but have not gone so far as to > > >> find everything organic and eliminate all sugar. I know it will be > > >> good for me, but seems soooo HARD right now. Thanks for the help. > > >> Cherie > > >> > > >>>>> Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question. > > >>>>> I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and > > >>>> should > > >>>>> not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant > > >>> surgery. > > >>>> I > > >>>>> am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if > > >> there > > >>> is > > >>>>> anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then > > >> to > > >>>> begin > > >>>>> detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day > > >> by > > >>> day > > >>>>> instead of daily feeling worse than the day before. > > >>>>> Thank you again, > > >>>>> Cherie > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > > >> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > > >> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > > >> treatment. > > >>> > > >>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > > >> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > > >> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > > >> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > > >> Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > >>> > > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 I agree with you completely. I was one of those women who got well eating very little organic products because few were available at that time. I eat them now because they are available. They don't have to be any more expensive than traditional. It all depends on where you purchase them from. I buy from a small store that gets hers primarily from local farmers. It is a whole lot cheaper than buying everything at Wild Oats. I eat them because I know they are better for me, taste better and are better for the environment, not because I feel it is absolutely necessary in order to be healthy. Kenda > I think we have to give ourselves a break sometiems, I mean I know > that some of that organic stuff is way expensive and frankly when your > sick and broke you just can't always afford it. That is nice that you > can but allot of us sickened by implants have spent so much money > already on surgery and things that it just gets to be overwhelming. If > women can afford it hey that is great but remember that allot of us > did get well without that and we are still around to talk about how we > are doing well so I think that if you can't afford that do the best > you can. I eat healthy I eat allot of whole grains and fresh veggies > and get my dairy products from a farm across the street where I live. > I do what I can. I eat hormone free grass fed meats and when I can > free range chicken. > The point is I got well and turned my health around pretty well with > what I did and that is the important thing. > If you can afford the more expensive things that is fine, But I was > single and living in a mobile home and money was tight so i did what I > could and that was it. and I got well. > Hugs > > > > > > > In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: >> >> Everyone has to do the best they can. I got well eating very little > organic >> foods but eating a balanced healthy diet. I eat organic only now > because I >> know it is better for me and tastes a whole lot better as well. The > truth >> is, if you're only eating USDA rated organic foods, you might as well be >> eating traditional farmed foods because certain pesticides and > toxins are >> still allowed. >> >> Kenda >> >> >>> Cherie I know that allot of women might disagree with me but the fact >>> is that it sounds like your diet is already pretty clean. I have to >>> admit that I just could not afford all the organic stuff and natural >>> foods stores products so I had to eat pretty much normal food and not >>> much special. I ate whole grains and healthy stuff when I could but I >>> did what I could afford too, and I got well. I am completely well now >>> and think that we have to do what we can in our own time and way. >>> Don't beat yourself up over the fact your not eating all organic >>> veggies. Trust me you can still get better. We can only do so much >>> sometimes but it can still work. >>> I think you will be ok really just do the best you can and don't beat >>> yourself up over the shortcomings in diet perfection. >>> Hugs, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> I considered your advise, and after getting support from my husband, >>>> I am going ahead tomorrow to schedule surgery without waiting on >>>> insurance. I signed up for the Maker's Diet, but now am wondering >>>> if I can handle it right now. I feel so overwhelmed with emotion >>>> and stress with the surgery coming up. Over the last few years I >>>> have eliminated most preservatives and bleached flour, drink water, >>>> and try to eat a lot of raw vegies, but have not gone so far as to >>>> find everything organic and eliminate all sugar. I know it will be >>>> good for me, but seems soooo HARD right now. Thanks for the help. >>>> Cherie >>>> >>>>>>> Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question. >>>>>>> I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and >>>>>> should >>>>>>> not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant >>>>> surgery. >>>>>> I >>>>>>> am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if >>>> there >>>>> is >>>>>>> anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then >>>> to >>>>>> begin >>>>>>> detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day >>>> by >>>>> day >>>>>>> instead of daily feeling worse than the day before. >>>>>>> Thank you again, >>>>>>> Cherie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given >>>> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or >>>> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical >>>> treatment. >>>>> >>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >>>> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own >>>> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a >>>> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, >>>> Chemistry; 1963, Peace) >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Hmm I guess the point we were making was missed. I got well without having allot of money to spend on organic foods. My health has never been better. Of course I am lucky enough to live where I have access to farm fresh foods too. Often times the things that are supposed to be organic, as Kendra mentioned, are not really organic. The prices can be twice as much or more. Sad but true. If people can afford these foods that is fabulous for them. Some are not so lucky, my hope is that they too can get well with the things they can afford. I certainly would never judge anyone by what they can or can't afford to spend at the grocery store. Take care In , Lynda <coss@p...> wrote: > > I would not be judgmental about organic foods. Many of us know that is why > we are alive. We were so toxic that we could not tolerate anything > else. It is not for us to tell others that they should not use organic foods. > > We need to be helpful, not judgmental. > > Lynda > > > > At 05:38 PM 10/8/2005, you wrote: > >I think we have to give ourselves a break sometiems, I mean I know > >that some of that organic stuff is way expensive and frankly when your > >sick and broke you just can't always afford it. That is nice that you > >can but allot of us sickened by implants have spent so much money > >already on surgery and things that it just gets to be overwhelming. If > >women can afford it hey that is great but remember that allot of us > >did get well without that and we are still around to talk about how we > >are doing well so I think that if you can't afford that do the best > >you can. I eat healthy I eat allot of whole grains and fresh veggies > >and get my dairy products from a farm across the street where I live. > >I do what I can. I eat hormone free grass fed meats and when I can > >free range chicken. > >The point is I got well and turned my health around pretty well with > >what I did and that is the important thing. > >If you can afford the more expensive things that is fine, But I was > >single and living in a mobile home and money was tight so i did what I > >could and that was it. and I got well. > >Hugs > > > > > > > > > > > > > >In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Everyone has to do the best they can. I got well eating very little > >organic > > > foods but eating a balanced healthy diet. I eat organic only now > >because I > > > know it is better for me and tastes a whole lot better as well. The > >truth > > > is, if you're only eating USDA rated organic foods, you might as well be > > > eating traditional farmed foods because certain pesticides and > >toxins are > > > still allowed. > > > > > > Kenda > > > > > > > > > > Cherie I know that allot of women might disagree with me but the fact > > > > is that it sounds like your diet is already pretty clean. I have to > > > > admit that I just could not afford all the organic stuff and natural > > > > foods stores products so I had to eat pretty much normal food and not > > > > much special. I ate whole grains and healthy stuff when I could but I > > > > did what I could afford too, and I got well. I am completely well now > > > > and think that we have to do what we can in our own time and way. > > > > Don't beat yourself up over the fact your not eating all organic > > > > veggies. Trust me you can still get better. We can only do so much > > > > sometimes but it can still work. > > > > I think you will be ok really just do the best you can and don't beat > > > > yourself up over the shortcomings in diet perfection. > > > > Hugs, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Thanks > > > >> I considered your advise, and after getting support from my husband, > > > >> I am going ahead tomorrow to schedule surgery without waiting on > > > >> insurance. I signed up for the Maker's Diet, but now am wondering > > > >> if I can handle it right now. I feel so overwhelmed with emotion > > > >> and stress with the surgery coming up. Over the last few years I > > > >> have eliminated most preservatives and bleached flour, drink water, > > > >> and try to eat a lot of raw vegies, but have not gone so far as to > > > >> find everything organic and eliminate all sugar. I know it will be > > > >> good for me, but seems soooo HARD right now. Thanks for the help. > > > >> Cherie > > > >> > > > >>>>> Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question. > > > >>>>> I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and > > > >>>> should > > > >>>>> not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant > > > >>> surgery. > > > >>>> I > > > >>>>> am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if > > > >> there > > > >>> is > > > >>>>> anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then > > > >> to > > > >>>> begin > > > >>>>> detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day > > > >> by > > > >>> day > > > >>>>> instead of daily feeling worse than the day before. > > > >>>>> Thank you again, > > > >>>>> Cherie > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > > > >> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > > > >> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > > > >> treatment. > > > >>> > > > >>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > > > >> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > > > >> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > > > >> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > > > >> Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > >>> > > > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 I am sure your right and it does depend allot on where you live. I know in my old home town there was allot of places you could buy food that was organic. Here in Idaho there is less options and when you want organic you pay for it, but like you said it isn't about that being the only way you can heal. It is more about taste and other factors. I also know that living where I do I am blessed with allot of fruits and veggies and dairy products that are grown on farms near my home. I live across the street from a dairy and they have really wonderful products. Thanks for your input. I appreciate your honesty carrie In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > > I agree with you completely. I was one of those women who got well eating > very little organic products because few were available at that time. I eat > them now because they are available. They don't have to be any more > expensive than traditional. It all depends on where you purchase them from. > I buy from a small store that gets hers primarily from local farmers. It is > a whole lot cheaper than buying everything at Wild Oats. I eat them because > I know they are better for me, taste better and are better for the > environment, not because I feel it is absolutely necessary in order to be > healthy. > > Kenda > > > > I think we have to give ourselves a break sometiems, I mean I know > > that some of that organic stuff is way expensive and frankly when your > > sick and broke you just can't always afford it. That is nice that you > > can but allot of us sickened by implants have spent so much money > > already on surgery and things that it just gets to be overwhelming. If > > women can afford it hey that is great but remember that allot of us > > did get well without that and we are still around to talk about how we > > are doing well so I think that if you can't afford that do the best > > you can. I eat healthy I eat allot of whole grains and fresh veggies > > and get my dairy products from a farm across the street where I live. > > I do what I can. I eat hormone free grass fed meats and when I can > > free range chicken. > > The point is I got well and turned my health around pretty well with > > what I did and that is the important thing. > > If you can afford the more expensive things that is fine, But I was > > single and living in a mobile home and money was tight so i did what I > > could and that was it. and I got well. > > Hugs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > >> > >> Everyone has to do the best they can. I got well eating very little > > organic > >> foods but eating a balanced healthy diet. I eat organic only now > > because I > >> know it is better for me and tastes a whole lot better as well. The > > truth > >> is, if you're only eating USDA rated organic foods, you might as well be > >> eating traditional farmed foods because certain pesticides and > > toxins are > >> still allowed. > >> > >> Kenda > >> > >> > >>> Cherie I know that allot of women might disagree with me but the fact > >>> is that it sounds like your diet is already pretty clean. I have to > >>> admit that I just could not afford all the organic stuff and natural > >>> foods stores products so I had to eat pretty much normal food and not > >>> much special. I ate whole grains and healthy stuff when I could but I > >>> did what I could afford too, and I got well. I am completely well now > >>> and think that we have to do what we can in our own time and way. > >>> Don't beat yourself up over the fact your not eating all organic > >>> veggies. Trust me you can still get better. We can only do so much > >>> sometimes but it can still work. > >>> I think you will be ok really just do the best you can and don't beat > >>> yourself up over the shortcomings in diet perfection. > >>> Hugs, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> I considered your advise, and after getting support from my husband, > >>>> I am going ahead tomorrow to schedule surgery without waiting on > >>>> insurance. I signed up for the Maker's Diet, but now am wondering > >>>> if I can handle it right now. I feel so overwhelmed with emotion > >>>> and stress with the surgery coming up. Over the last few years I > >>>> have eliminated most preservatives and bleached flour, drink water, > >>>> and try to eat a lot of raw vegies, but have not gone so far as to > >>>> find everything organic and eliminate all sugar. I know it will be > >>>> good for me, but seems soooo HARD right now. Thanks for the help. > >>>> Cherie > >>>> > >>>>>>> Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question. > >>>>>>> I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and > >>>>>> should > >>>>>>> not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant > >>>>> surgery. > >>>>>> I > >>>>>>> am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if > >>>> there > >>>>> is > >>>>>>> anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then > >>>> to > >>>>>> begin > >>>>>>> detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day > >>>> by > >>>>> day > >>>>>>> instead of daily feeling worse than the day before. > >>>>>>> Thank you again, > >>>>>>> Cherie > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > >>>> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > >>>> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > >>>> treatment. > >>>>> > >>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > >>>> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >>>> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > >>>> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > >>>> Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >>>>> > >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Please don't misunderstand, I 100% believe in an organic diet and stick to it in my home. I believe for health it is the best possible way to eat. When you don't have options or can't afford it, you can only do what you can do. It is great that you have farms and dairies where you live. I don't have either that I can access. Kenda > I am sure your right and it does depend allot on where you live. I > know in my old home town there was allot of places you could buy food > that was organic. Here in Idaho there is less options and when you > want organic you pay for it, but like you said it isn't about that > being the only way you can heal. It is more about taste and other > factors. I also know that living where I do I am blessed with allot of > fruits and veggies and dairy products that are grown on farms near my > home. I live across the street from a dairy and they have really > wonderful products. > Thanks for your input. I appreciate your honesty > carrie > > > > > > In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: >> >> I agree with you completely. I was one of those women who got well > eating >> very little organic products because few were available at that > time. I eat >> them now because they are available. They don't have to be any more >> expensive than traditional. It all depends on where you purchase > them from. >> I buy from a small store that gets hers primarily from local > farmers. It is >> a whole lot cheaper than buying everything at Wild Oats. I eat them > because >> I know they are better for me, taste better and are better for the >> environment, not because I feel it is absolutely necessary in order > to be >> healthy. >> >> Kenda >> >> >>> I think we have to give ourselves a break sometiems, I mean I know >>> that some of that organic stuff is way expensive and frankly when your >>> sick and broke you just can't always afford it. That is nice that you >>> can but allot of us sickened by implants have spent so much money >>> already on surgery and things that it just gets to be overwhelming. If >>> women can afford it hey that is great but remember that allot of us >>> did get well without that and we are still around to talk about how we >>> are doing well so I think that if you can't afford that do the best >>> you can. I eat healthy I eat allot of whole grains and fresh veggies >>> and get my dairy products from a farm across the street where I live. >>> I do what I can. I eat hormone free grass fed meats and when I can >>> free range chicken. >>> The point is I got well and turned my health around pretty well with >>> what I did and that is the important thing. >>> If you can afford the more expensive things that is fine, But I was >>> single and living in a mobile home and money was tight so i did what I >>> could and that was it. and I got well. >>> Hugs >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Everyone has to do the best they can. I got well eating very little >>> organic >>>> foods but eating a balanced healthy diet. I eat organic only now >>> because I >>>> know it is better for me and tastes a whole lot better as well. The >>> truth >>>> is, if you're only eating USDA rated organic foods, you might as > well be >>>> eating traditional farmed foods because certain pesticides and >>> toxins are >>>> still allowed. >>>> >>>> Kenda >>>> >>>> >>>>> Cherie I know that allot of women might disagree with me but the > fact >>>>> is that it sounds like your diet is already pretty clean. I have to >>>>> admit that I just could not afford all the organic stuff and natural >>>>> foods stores products so I had to eat pretty much normal food > and not >>>>> much special. I ate whole grains and healthy stuff when I could > but I >>>>> did what I could afford too, and I got well. I am completely > well now >>>>> and think that we have to do what we can in our own time and way. >>>>> Don't beat yourself up over the fact your not eating all organic >>>>> veggies. Trust me you can still get better. We can only do so much >>>>> sometimes but it can still work. >>>>> I think you will be ok really just do the best you can and don't > beat >>>>> yourself up over the shortcomings in diet perfection. >>>>> Hugs, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> I considered your advise, and after getting support from my > husband, >>>>>> I am going ahead tomorrow to schedule surgery without waiting on >>>>>> insurance. I signed up for the Maker's Diet, but now am wondering >>>>>> if I can handle it right now. I feel so overwhelmed with emotion >>>>>> and stress with the surgery coming up. Over the last few years I >>>>>> have eliminated most preservatives and bleached flour, drink water, >>>>>> and try to eat a lot of raw vegies, but have not gone so far as to >>>>>> find everything organic and eliminate all sugar. I know it will be >>>>>> good for me, but seems soooo HARD right now. Thanks for the help. >>>>>> Cherie >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question. >>>>>>>>> I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and >>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant >>>>>>> surgery. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if >>>>>> there >>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> begin >>>>>>>>> detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day >>>>>> by >>>>>>> day >>>>>>>>> instead of daily feeling worse than the day before. >>>>>>>>> Thank you again, >>>>>>>>> Cherie >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given >>>>>> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or >>>>>> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical >>>>>> treatment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >>>>>> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own >>>>>> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a >>>>>> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, >>>>>> Chemistry; 1963, Peace) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 I agree that it is great if you can afford it and if you have it in your area. I don't have any stores out here that sell reasonably priced organics. If I want them I just have to grow them myself. I do have access to dairy and beef that is grass fed and not pumped full of hormones though and that is awesome. When I was recovering from implants I was very limited with my income. I am married now and we can afford allot of things that back then I wouldn't have even thought about. I guess my point is just that if you can't afford it you can still get well with a bit of common sense and allot of willpower. I just want the girls that don't have the means to spend 100 dollars a week on food to know that it isn't hopeless for them to recover. Take care n , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > > Please don't misunderstand, I 100% believe in an organic diet and stick to > it in my home. I believe for health it is the best possible way to eat. > When you don't have options or can't afford it, you can only do what you can > do. It is great that you have farms and dairies where you live. I don't > have either that I can access. > > Kenda > > > > I am sure your right and it does depend allot on where you live. I > > know in my old home town there was allot of places you could buy food > > that was organic. Here in Idaho there is less options and when you > > want organic you pay for it, but like you said it isn't about that > > being the only way you can heal. It is more about taste and other > > factors. I also know that living where I do I am blessed with allot of > > fruits and veggies and dairy products that are grown on farms near my > > home. I live across the street from a dairy and they have really > > wonderful products. > > Thanks for your input. I appreciate your honesty > > carrie > > > > > > > > > > > > In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > >> > >> I agree with you completely. I was one of those women who got well > > eating > >> very little organic products because few were available at that > > time. I eat > >> them now because they are available. They don't have to be any more > >> expensive than traditional. It all depends on where you purchase > > them from. > >> I buy from a small store that gets hers primarily from local > > farmers. It is > >> a whole lot cheaper than buying everything at Wild Oats. I eat them > > because > >> I know they are better for me, taste better and are better for the > >> environment, not because I feel it is absolutely necessary in order > > to be > >> healthy. > >> > >> Kenda > >> > >> > >>> I think we have to give ourselves a break sometiems, I mean I know > >>> that some of that organic stuff is way expensive and frankly when your > >>> sick and broke you just can't always afford it. That is nice that you > >>> can but allot of us sickened by implants have spent so much money > >>> already on surgery and things that it just gets to be overwhelming. If > >>> women can afford it hey that is great but remember that allot of us > >>> did get well without that and we are still around to talk about how we > >>> are doing well so I think that if you can't afford that do the best > >>> you can. I eat healthy I eat allot of whole grains and fresh veggies > >>> and get my dairy products from a farm across the street where I live. > >>> I do what I can. I eat hormone free grass fed meats and when I can > >>> free range chicken. > >>> The point is I got well and turned my health around pretty well with > >>> what I did and that is the important thing. > >>> If you can afford the more expensive things that is fine, But I was > >>> single and living in a mobile home and money was tight so i did what I > >>> could and that was it. and I got well. > >>> Hugs > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Everyone has to do the best they can. I got well eating very little > >>> organic > >>>> foods but eating a balanced healthy diet. I eat organic only now > >>> because I > >>>> know it is better for me and tastes a whole lot better as well. The > >>> truth > >>>> is, if you're only eating USDA rated organic foods, you might as > > well be > >>>> eating traditional farmed foods because certain pesticides and > >>> toxins are > >>>> still allowed. > >>>> > >>>> Kenda > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Cherie I know that allot of women might disagree with me but the > > fact > >>>>> is that it sounds like your diet is already pretty clean. I have to > >>>>> admit that I just could not afford all the organic stuff and natural > >>>>> foods stores products so I had to eat pretty much normal food > > and not > >>>>> much special. I ate whole grains and healthy stuff when I could > > but I > >>>>> did what I could afford too, and I got well. I am completely > > well now > >>>>> and think that we have to do what we can in our own time and way. > >>>>> Don't beat yourself up over the fact your not eating all organic > >>>>> veggies. Trust me you can still get better. We can only do so much > >>>>> sometimes but it can still work. > >>>>> I think you will be ok really just do the best you can and don't > > beat > >>>>> yourself up over the shortcomings in diet perfection. > >>>>> Hugs, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> In , " Cherie " <cheriesut@y...> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>> I considered your advise, and after getting support from my > > husband, > >>>>>> I am going ahead tomorrow to schedule surgery without waiting on > >>>>>> insurance. I signed up for the Maker's Diet, but now am wondering > >>>>>> if I can handle it right now. I feel so overwhelmed with emotion > >>>>>> and stress with the surgery coming up. Over the last few years I > >>>>>> have eliminated most preservatives and bleached flour, drink water, > >>>>>> and try to eat a lot of raw vegies, but have not gone so far as to > >>>>>> find everything organic and eliminate all sugar. I know it will be > >>>>>> good for me, but seems soooo HARD right now. Thanks for the help. > >>>>>> Cherie > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi thank you all for being there every time I have a question. > >>>>>>>>> I think I have seen somewhere a list of things you should and > >>>>>>>> should > >>>>>>>>> not do (eat, supplements, etc) in preparation for explant > >>>>>>> surgery. > >>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>> am anxiously awaiting a date for surgery, and wondering if > >>>>>> there > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>> anything I can do to get stronger before the surgery and then > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> begin > >>>>>>>>> detoxing right away. Can't wait to start getting better day > >>>>>> by > >>>>>>> day > >>>>>>>>> instead of daily feeling worse than the day before. > >>>>>>>>> Thank you again, > >>>>>>>>> Cherie > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > >>>>>> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > >>>>>> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > >>>>>> treatment. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > >>>>>> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >>>>>> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > >>>>>> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > >>>>>> Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 According to Rubin, if organic foods aren't available, frozen foods are the next best choice since they are processed very quickly when nutrition is at it's peak. Rogene --- Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: > Please don't misunderstand, I 100% believe in an > organic diet and stick to > it in my home. I believe for health it is the best > possible way to eat. > When you don't have options or can't afford it, you > can only do what you can > do. It is great that you have farms and dairies > where you live. I don't > have either that I can access. > > Kenda > > > > I am sure your right and it does depend allot on > where you live. I > > know in my old home town there was allot of places > you could buy food > > that was organic. Here in Idaho there is less > options and when you > > want organic you pay for it, but like you said it > isn't about that > > being the only way you can heal. It is more about > taste and other > > factors. I also know that living where I do I am > blessed with allot of > > fruits and veggies and dairy products that are > grown on farms near my > > home. I live across the street from a dairy and > they have really > > wonderful products. > > Thanks for your input. I appreciate your honesty > > carrie > > > > > > > > > > > > In , Kenda Skaggs > <skaggs@c...> wrote: > >> > >> I agree with you completely. I was one of those > women who got well > > eating > >> very little organic products because few were > available at that > > time. I eat > >> them now because they are available. They don't > have to be any more > >> expensive than traditional. It all depends on > where you purchase > > them from. > >> I buy from a small store that gets hers primarily > from local > > farmers. It is > >> a whole lot cheaper than buying everything at > Wild Oats. I eat them > > because > >> I know they are better for me, taste better and > are better for the > >> environment, not because I feel it is absolutely > necessary in order > > to be > >> healthy. > >> > >> Kenda > >> > >> > >>> I think we have to give ourselves a break > sometiems, I mean I know > >>> that some of that organic stuff is way expensive > and frankly when your > >>> sick and broke you just can't always afford it. > That is nice that you > >>> can but allot of us sickened by implants have > spent so much money > >>> already on surgery and things that it just gets > to be overwhelming. If > >>> women can afford it hey that is great but > remember that allot of us > >>> did get well without that and we are still > around to talk about how we > >>> are doing well so I think that if you can't > afford that do the best > >>> you can. I eat healthy I eat allot of whole > grains and fresh veggies > >>> and get my dairy products from a farm across the > street where I live. > >>> I do what I can. I eat hormone free grass fed > meats and when I can > >>> free range chicken. > >>> The point is I got well and turned my health > around pretty well with > >>> what I did and that is the important thing. > >>> If you can afford the more expensive things that > is fine, But I was > >>> single and living in a mobile home and money was > tight so i did what I > >>> could and that was it. and I got well. > >>> Hugs > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> In , Kenda Skaggs > <skaggs@c...> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Everyone has to do the best they can. I got > well eating very little > >>> organic > >>>> foods but eating a balanced healthy diet. I > eat organic only now > >>> because I > >>>> know it is better for me and tastes a whole lot > better as well. The > >>> truth > >>>> is, if you're only eating USDA rated organic > foods, you might as > > well be > >>>> eating traditional farmed foods because certain > pesticides and > >>> toxins are > >>>> still allowed. > >>>> > >>>> Kenda > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Cherie I know that allot of women might > disagree with me but the > > fact > >>>>> is that it sounds like your diet is already > pretty clean. I have to > >>>>> admit that I just could not afford all the > organic stuff and natural > >>>>> foods stores products so I had to eat pretty > much normal food > > and not > >>>>> much special. I ate whole grains and healthy > stuff when I could > > but I > >>>>> did what I could afford too, and I got well. I > am completely > > well now > >>>>> and think that we have to do what we can in > our own time and way. > >>>>> Don't beat yourself up over the fact your not > eating all organic > >>>>> veggies. Trust me you can still get better. We > can only do so much > >>>>> sometimes but it can still work. > >>>>> I think you will be ok really just do the best > you can and don't > > beat > >>>>> yourself up over the shortcomings in diet > perfection. > >>>>> Hugs, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> In , " Cherie " > <cheriesut@y...> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>> I considered your advise, and after getting > support from my > > husband, > >>>>>> I am going ahead tomorrow to schedule surgery > without waiting on > >>>>>> insurance. I signed up for the Maker's Diet, > but now am wondering > >>>>>> if I can handle it right now. I feel so > overwhelmed with emotion > >>>>>> and stress with the surgery coming up. Over > the last few years I > >>>>>> have eliminated most preservatives and > bleached flour, drink water, > >>>>>> and try to eat a lot of raw vegies, but have > not gone so far as to > >>>>>> find everything organic and eliminate all > sugar. I know it will be > >>>>>> good for me, but seems soooo HARD right now. > Thanks for the help. > >>>>>> Cherie > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> The Makers Diet is fabulous! I actually did > it over lent. > >>>>>> Ironically I started it prior to my BA ( I > didn 't read the whole > >>>>>> book unfortunately). I felt sooooo great > when I did it. It was > >>>>>> tough because of the desire for carbs > especially fruit. I was also > >>>>>> soooo thirsty. Definitely drink alot of > water. I really believe > >>>>>> that the reason I healed so quickly postop is > because === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 This is something I have known for quite some time, but I'm not sure why. Kenda's point is well taken - sometimes it is not possible to eat all organic. I buy organic as much as possible. > > >>>>>>> The Makers Diet is fabulous! I actually did > > it over lent. > > >>>>>> Ironically I started it prior to my BA ( I > > didn 't read the whole > > >>>>>> book unfortunately). I felt sooooo great > > when I did it. It was > > >>>>>> tough because of the desire for carbs > > especially fruit. I was also > > >>>>>> soooo thirsty. Definitely drink alot of > > water. I really believe > > >>>>>> that the reason I healed so quickly postop is > > because > === message truncated === > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Of course the other concern is how do you actually know what your getting is really organic? In , " MollyBloom54 " <mollyb54@b...> wrote: > > This is something I have known for quite some time, but I'm not sure why. > Kenda's point is well taken - sometimes it is not possible to eat all organic. > I buy organic as much as possible. > > > > > >>>>>>> The Makers Diet is fabulous! I actually did > > > it over lent. > > > >>>>>> Ironically I started it prior to my BA ( I > > > didn 't read the whole > > > >>>>>> book unfortunately). I felt sooooo great > > > when I did it. It was > > > >>>>>> tough because of the desire for carbs > > > especially fruit. I was also > > > >>>>>> soooo thirsty. Definitely drink alot of > > > water. I really believe > > > >>>>>> that the reason I healed so quickly postop is > > > because > > === message truncated === > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I have heard this before, but organics have to be certified. Why are we still on this topic, anyway? Lynda At 07:10 AM 10/10/2005, you wrote: >Of course the other concern is how do you actually know what your >getting is really organic? > > > > >In , " MollyBloom54 " <mollyb54@b...> wrote: > > > > This is something I have known for quite some time, but I'm not sure >why. > > Kenda's point is well taken - sometimes it is not possible to eat >all organic. > > I buy organic as much as possible. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>> The Makers Diet is fabulous! I actually did > > > > it over lent. > > > > >>>>>> Ironically I started it prior to my BA ( I > > > > didn 't read the whole > > > > >>>>>> book unfortunately). I felt sooooo great > > > > when I did it. It was > > > > >>>>>> tough because of the desire for carbs > > > > especially fruit. I was also > > > > >>>>>> soooo thirsty. Definitely drink alot of > > > > water. I really believe > > > > >>>>>> that the reason I healed so quickly postop is > > > > because > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Hi Rogene, Already USDA organic foods have some pesticides and other things in them that we believe they don't. The small store I buy my organics from was explaining the differences between organic farms. USDA means very little. Kenda > Lynda, > > There's a move underway to lower the standards on > foods labled " 0rganic " so the chemical industry and > agri-businesses get a bigger cut! > > Can you imagine what would happen to many food > industries if everyone refused to buy processed, > non-organic foods? > > We need to let our congressmen/women know how we feel. > > Hugs, > > Rogene > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care > professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Isn't that disgusting? . . . So little regard for human life . . . So much concern for those with deep pockets! Rogene --- Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: > Hi Rogene, > > Already USDA organic foods have some pesticides and > other things in them > that we believe they don't. The small store I buy > my organics from was > explaining the differences between organic farms. > USDA means very little. > > Kenda > > > > Lynda, > > > > There's a move underway to lower the standards on > > foods labled " 0rganic " so the chemical industry > and > > agri-businesses get a bigger cut! > > > > Can you imagine what would happen to many food > > industries if everyone refused to buy processed, > > non-organic foods? > > > > We need to let our congressmen/women know how we > feel. > > > > Hugs, > > > > Rogene > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place > of advice given by licensed > > health care professionals. Consult your physician > or licensed health care > > professional before commencing any medical > treatment. > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the > politicians mislead you. > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own > decisions about how to live a > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - > Linus ing, two-time > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Yes, I heard this. I have written my Senators and my State Representative, who will do nothing. The Senators might. Lynda At 08:55 PM 10/10/2005, you wrote: >Lynda, > >There's a move underway to lower the standards on >foods labled " 0rganic " so the chemical industry and >agri-businesses get a bigger cut! > >Can you imagine what would happen to many food >industries if everyone refused to buy processed, >non-organic foods? > >We need to let our congressmen/women know how we feel. > >Hugs, > >Rogene > > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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