Guest guest Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Hi , I ate a very strict diet for two years, eating no processed foods at all and never cheated. I ate all the organic foods I could but we didn't have a good health food store so it was a bit tough. Now, I still eat a strict diet of only organic foods, except when we go out to dinner. I eat foods in their original, unprocessed state, lots of produce, nuts, grains and meats. I also did lots and lots of detoxing -- and still do. I stopped taking all medications as part of my detox program since most have side affects and contribute to toxifying the liver. Kenda > Hi Kenda, > Could you please tell me what you did to get rid of your fibro symptoms? Was > it supplements, medication, other treatments or just time? This is the worst > of my remaining symptoms since my explant 7 months ago and I would do just > about anything to get rid of it. > Thanks, > > > Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: > I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on with my body > and ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many times but > still enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie! > > Kenda > > >> I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything >> without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many times. >> Hugs, kathy >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone >>> suffering >>>>> with >>>>>>>> fibro pain. >>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several >>>> years. >>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>> last week >>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free >>> of >>>>> for >>>>>> so >>>>>>>> long. >>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been >> high >>>> in >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> past so I >>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks >> ago >>> to >>>>>> bring >>>>>>>> it down. >>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which >>>>>> triggered >>>>>>>> menopausal >>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had >>> not >>>>>>> previous >>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week >>> were >>>> as >>>>> a >>>>>>>> result of too >>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as >>>> well. >>>>>> So, >>>>>>>> for anyone >>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, >>> you >>>>>> might >>>>>>>> want to go >>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be >>> low >>>>>>>> estrogen causing >>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week >>> was >>>>>> just >>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> bad and >>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and >>> already >>>>>> feel >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> bit >>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look >> forward >>> to >>>>> in >>>>>>>> menopause. He >>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems >>> fibro >>>>> pain >>>>>>>> isn't always >>>>>>>>> fibro! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kenda >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a >>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a >>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to >>>>>>>>>>> be given a name. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for >>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one >> thing >>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, >> illness - >>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by >>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught >>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people. >>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the >>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM >>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared, >>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription >>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've >>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . . >>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby >>>>>>>>>>> stirs. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the >>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW >>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body >>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that >> harms >>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It >>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do >> it's >>>>>>>>>>> work! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and >>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take >> care >>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Rogene >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place >> of >>>>> advice >>>>>>>> given by licensed >>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or >>>>>> licensed >>>>>>>> health care >>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the >>>>>> politicians >>>>>>>> mislead you. >>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own >>> decisions >>>>>> about >>>>>>>> how to live a >>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - >>> Linus >>>>>>> ing, >>>>>>>> two-time >>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Kenda and , Thank you so much for your replies. My situation seems almost opposite. I had worked out with a trainer for 2 years and was in the best shape/strongest I had ever been. Then I got my implants and started getting sick almost immediately. I only had them for 18 months, but had to stop working out with the trainer about a year after I got the implant because the fibro pain was too bad and working out seemed to make everything tighter and more painful. I would love to be able to work out again because it made me feel so good, but I have finally gotten the pain manageable with chiropractor, acupuncture, massage and supplements that I am so afraid if I start exercising again I will be in pain gain. Any thoughts or suggestions on this? Thanks,Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: Hi ,I love exercise as well, it makes me feel better, I am stronger anddefinitely healthier. I am doing things at 45 that I couldn't do in my 20'sor 30's. My balance is great and my core strength is amazing, especially inlight of the nasty vertical c-sections I had. My OB said I would neverregain my strong abs after two c-sections but I did. The best part is thatmy emotions are very even. Exercise and yoga have brought me a calmness andbetter ability to deal with life. Of course I look better but that's only asmall benefit compared to all of the other things exercise has to offer.One thing I would like to add to those who are just starting an exerciseprogram is that it took me two years at the gym to start really enjoying it.I was committed to going but HATED it. I think once you start feelingchanges from exercise, it brings different feelings about it and you startto enjoy it.Since you contemplated becoming a certified trainer, you know that diet ismore important than exercise in the overall scheme of things. This issomething my trainer has a hard time getting his clients to accept. Peopleare willing to come into the gym but are unwilling to stop drinking the popor eating fast food. They will never see the health benefits they arelooking for without a diet change.Kenda -- with no "r" > Kendra that is awesome. I too just can't say enough about exercise. I> always tell people that it saved me. I too was a big time couch> potatoe. I started working out back when I was about 33 years old. I> was a smoker, and never did much healthy....but I got into the best> shape of my life quit smoking etc.....I was very healthy. Then I got> into running and I loved it! I would run up to 30 miles a week. That> was around the time I lost all my body fat and my breasts started to> sag terribly after all the weightloss, so I ended up thinking that my> reward for getting in such great shape would be boobs! Within 3 months> I was very ill. So much for my reward. But I never did stop exercising> with my illness....I always made sure I did something no matter how> bad I felt. I also told myself the day the illness became too much for> me to even work out was the day I got rid of the implants. Well that> day came and I did it, got them out. Best thing I ever did. I> continued with my training slowly. In fact I almost became a> certified trainer myself but, well a great career op came up and that> was too good to turn down so I went with this job I have now instead.> I love my work but I still think about getting certified. I love> working out and esp love to help others get in shape. It is fun and> inspiring to take someone and help them find the body and the fitness> inside them. It is inside all of us if we just learn to bring it out,> I believe anyhow. Now I just work out with my hubby at home and we> love it. I will never stop working out. I know what it can do for you> when your sick too. I mean one should not over do it but there are so> many benefits of working out. It really is important.> Now at 41 years old I have a better body than I ever did in my 20's> and I have to say I can wear clothes that I never thought I would be> able to ... it is sure fun! But of course it is more about how you> feel than how you look.> I am glad you didn't get implants, they really can ruin your life and> take so much away from you. They never did bring me any happiness. I> mean sure I looked great in a tank top, but there is so much more to> life than big boobs!> take care> > > > > > > In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote:>> >> Hi ,>> >> First off, I never had implants. I don't believe you were here in March>> when I first came to the list asking for help in deciding if they> were safe.>> Of course you can imagine the group's reaction, quickly talking me> out of>> it. The strange thing is that I have had a lot of the same health> issues>> implanted women have, without ever having been implanted. Because> of that,>> I was asked to stick around because I had to fight my way back to> health -->> and then almost gave it up getting implants. Stupid!!>> >> In answer to your question, yes, I did start working out when I first>> started trying to regain my health. It was very hard because I had> been a>> couch potato for several years when I was so sick and was extremely> weak. I>> started with water aerobics but it gave me constant vaginal problems. I>> switched over to lifting weights with a trainer. I chose training with a>> trainer because I have a herniated L5/S1 disc that any little wrong> movement>> would put me into a several week cycle of pain and many trips to the> chiro,>> not to mention pain killers. It took a couple of years to stabilize my>> spine through gym work. I also added yoga and cycling. My back no> longer>> bothers me, six years later, and I am the healthiest and strongest I> have>> ever been. I can't speak enough for the power of exercise. I> feel plain>> lousy if I skip the gym so I don't.>> >> Kenda>> >> >>> I am not Kendra but I can tell you what worked for me. First it was>>> getting the implants out....then I used some epsom salt baths and esp>>> aftere working out ...for me eating a super healthy diet high in>>> veggies, fruits and whole grains and then working out....that is>>> it...that is what cured me. Oh lots of hot tub soaks too. I found that>>> if I worked out every day...even though at first it hurt, I just kept>>> at it....went slow and worked up to 2 hours a day. That has been>>> almost 6 years now and I would say almost all my pain was gone within>>> 2 years of explant ....maybe less but for sure gone by 2 years. The>>> only time I ever get achy now is if I work out extra hard or do>>> something different that I have no done in awhile. I am at the>>> healthiest weight I have ever been 115 pounds.....and feel great. i>>> can't believe I once had fibro and mixed connective tissue disease. It>>> is amazing. I guess if I had to say why I would guess it was the>>> implants being gone but i feel the working out really helped me too.>>> Kendra did you work out allot too?>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In , G <karengup@y...> wrote:>>>> >>>> Hi Kenda,>>>> Could you please tell me what you did to get rid of your fibro>>> symptoms? Was it supplements, medication, other treatments or just>>> time? This is the worst of my remaining symptoms since my explant 7>>> months ago and I would do just about anything to get rid of it.>>>> Thanks,>>>> >>>> >>>> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote:>>>> I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on with my>>> body>>>> and ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many>>> times but>>>> still enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie!>>>> >>>> Kenda>>>> >>>> >>>>> I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything>>>>> without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many times.>>>>> Hugs, kathy>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone>>>>>> suffering >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> fibro pain.>>>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>>>> last week>>>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>> long.>>>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been>>>>> high >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> past so I>>>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks>>>>> ago >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> bring >>>>>>>>>>> it down.>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which>>>>>>>>> triggered>>>>>>>>>>> menopausal>>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> previous>>>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week>>>>>> were >>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> result of too>>>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>> So, >>>>>>>>>>> for anyone>>>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems,>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>> want to go>>>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be>>>>>> low >>>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing>>>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>> bad and>>>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>> bit>>>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look>>>>> forward >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> menopause. He>>>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems>>>>>> fibro >>>>>>>> pain >>>>>>>>>>> isn't always>>>>>>>>>>>> fibro!>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenda>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a>>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a>>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to>>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for>>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one>>>>> thing>>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress,>>>>> illness ->>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by>>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught>>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.>>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the>>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM>>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,>>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription>>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've>>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby>>>>>>>>>>>> stirs.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the>>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW>>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body>>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that>>>>> harms>>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It>>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do>>>>> it's>>>>>>>>>>>> work! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and>>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take>>>>> care>>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place>>>>> of >>>>>>>> advice >>>>>>>>>>> given by licensed>>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or>>>>>>>>> licensed >>>>>>>>>>> health care>>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Do not let either the medical authorities or the>>>>>>>>> politicians>>>>>>>>>>> mislead you.>>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own>>>>>> decisions >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>> how to live a>>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world." ->>>>>> Linus >>>>>>>>>> ing,>>>>>>>>>>> two-time>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Hi , Do you have access to a pool? If so, I'd try water aerobics. I took my classes at a local YWCA. I started with a class for people with arthritis because it was slower and more gentle. Initially I would have minor flares following my classes but they gradually subsided until I didn't have them at all. I train with a trainer three days a week now and have private yoga lessons one day a week and don't have fibro flares at all. I do have the regular weight lifting pain after some workouts but I consider that good pain. Kenda > Kenda and , > Thank you so much for your replies. My situation seems almost opposite. I > had worked out with a trainer for 2 years and was in the best shape/strongest > I had ever been. Then I got my implants and started getting sick almost > immediately. I only had them for 18 months, but had to stop working out with > the trainer about a year after I got the implant because the fibro pain was > too bad and working out seemed to make everything tighter and more painful. I > would love to be able to work out again because it made me feel so good, but I > have finally gotten the pain manageable with chiropractor, acupuncture, > massage and supplements that I am so afraid if I start exercising again I will > be in pain gain. Any thoughts or suggestions on this? > Thanks, > > > Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: > Hi , > > I love exercise as well, it makes me feel better, I am stronger and > definitely healthier. I am doing things at 45 that I couldn't do in my 20's > or 30's. My balance is great and my core strength is amazing, especially in > light of the nasty vertical c-sections I had. My OB said I would never > regain my strong abs after two c-sections but I did. The best part is that > my emotions are very even. Exercise and yoga have brought me a calmness and > better ability to deal with life. Of course I look better but that's only a > small benefit compared to all of the other things exercise has to offer. > One thing I would like to add to those who are just starting an exercise > program is that it took me two years at the gym to start really enjoying it. > I was committed to going but HATED it. I think once you start feeling > changes from exercise, it brings different feelings about it and you start > to enjoy it. > > Since you contemplated becoming a certified trainer, you know that diet is > more important than exercise in the overall scheme of things. This is > something my trainer has a hard time getting his clients to accept. People > are willing to come into the gym but are unwilling to stop drinking the pop > or eating fast food. They will never see the health benefits they are > looking for without a diet change. > > Kenda -- with no " r " > >> Kendra that is awesome. I too just can't say enough about exercise. I >> always tell people that it saved me. I too was a big time couch >> potatoe. I started working out back when I was about 33 years old. I >> was a smoker, and never did much healthy....but I got into the best >> shape of my life quit smoking etc.....I was very healthy. Then I got >> into running and I loved it! I would run up to 30 miles a week. That >> was around the time I lost all my body fat and my breasts started to >> sag terribly after all the weightloss, so I ended up thinking that my >> reward for getting in such great shape would be boobs! Within 3 months >> I was very ill. So much for my reward. But I never did stop exercising >> with my illness....I always made sure I did something no matter how >> bad I felt. I also told myself the day the illness became too much for >> me to even work out was the day I got rid of the implants. Well that >> day came and I did it, got them out. Best thing I ever did. I >> continued with my training slowly. In fact I almost became a >> certified trainer myself but, well a great career op came up and that >> was too good to turn down so I went with this job I have now instead. >> I love my work but I still think about getting certified. I love >> working out and esp love to help others get in shape. It is fun and >> inspiring to take someone and help them find the body and the fitness >> inside them. It is inside all of us if we just learn to bring it out, >> I believe anyhow. Now I just work out with my hubby at home and we >> love it. I will never stop working out. I know what it can do for you >> when your sick too. I mean one should not over do it but there are so >> many benefits of working out. It really is important. >> Now at 41 years old I have a better body than I ever did in my 20's >> and I have to say I can wear clothes that I never thought I would be >> able to ... it is sure fun! But of course it is more about how you >> feel than how you look. >> I am glad you didn't get implants, they really can ruin your life and >> take so much away from you. They never did bring me any happiness. I >> mean sure I looked great in a tank top, but there is so much more to >> life than big boobs! >> take care >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: >>> >>> Hi , >>> >>> First off, I never had implants. I don't believe you were here in March >>> when I first came to the list asking for help in deciding if they >> were safe. >>> Of course you can imagine the group's reaction, quickly talking me >> out of >>> it. The strange thing is that I have had a lot of the same health >> issues >>> implanted women have, without ever having been implanted. Because >> of that, >>> I was asked to stick around because I had to fight my way back to >> health -- >>> and then almost gave it up getting implants. Stupid!! >>> >>> In answer to your question, yes, I did start working out when I first >>> started trying to regain my health. It was very hard because I had >> been a >>> couch potato for several years when I was so sick and was extremely >> weak. I >>> started with water aerobics but it gave me constant vaginal problems. I >>> switched over to lifting weights with a trainer. I chose training with a >>> trainer because I have a herniated L5/S1 disc that any little wrong >> movement >>> would put me into a several week cycle of pain and many trips to the >> chiro, >>> not to mention pain killers. It took a couple of years to stabilize my >>> spine through gym work. I also added yoga and cycling. My back no >> longer >>> bothers me, six years later, and I am the healthiest and strongest I >> have >>> ever been. I can't speak enough for the power of exercise. I >> feel plain >>> lousy if I skip the gym so I don't. >>> >>> Kenda >>> >>> >>>> I am not Kendra but I can tell you what worked for me. First it was >>>> getting the implants out....then I used some epsom salt baths and esp >>>> aftere working out ...for me eating a super healthy diet high in >>>> veggies, fruits and whole grains and then working out....that is >>>> it...that is what cured me. Oh lots of hot tub soaks too. I found that >>>> if I worked out every day...even though at first it hurt, I just kept >>>> at it....went slow and worked up to 2 hours a day. That has been >>>> almost 6 years now and I would say almost all my pain was gone within >>>> 2 years of explant ....maybe less but for sure gone by 2 years. The >>>> only time I ever get achy now is if I work out extra hard or do >>>> something different that I have no done in awhile. I am at the >>>> healthiest weight I have ever been 115 pounds.....and feel great. i >>>> can't believe I once had fibro and mixed connective tissue disease. It >>>> is amazing. I guess if I had to say why I would guess it was the >>>> implants being gone but i feel the working out really helped me too. >>>> Kendra did you work out allot too? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In , G <karengup@y...> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Kenda, >>>>> Could you please tell me what you did to get rid of your fibro >>>> symptoms? Was it supplements, medication, other treatments or just >>>> time? This is the worst of my remaining symptoms since my explant 7 >>>> months ago and I would do just about anything to get rid of it. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: >>>>> I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on with my >>>> body >>>>> and ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many >>>> times but >>>>> still enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie! >>>>> >>>>> Kenda >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything >>>>>> without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many times. >>>>>> Hugs, kathy >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone >>>>>>> suffering >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> fibro pain. >>>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several >>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>>>>> last week >>>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>> long. >>>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been >>>>>> high >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> past so I >>>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks >>>>>> ago >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> bring >>>>>>>>>>>> it down. >>>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which >>>>>>>>>> triggered >>>>>>>>>>>> menopausal >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had >>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> previous >>>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week >>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> result of too >>>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>> So, >>>>>>>>>>>> for anyone >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, >>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>> want to go >>>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be >>>>>>> low >>>>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing >>>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week >>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> bad and >>>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and >>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> bit >>>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look >>>>>> forward >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> menopause. He >>>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems >>>>>>> fibro >>>>>>>>> pain >>>>>>>>>>>> isn't always >>>>>>>>>>>> fibro! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenda >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a >>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a >>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to >>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for >>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one >>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, >>>>>> illness - >>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by >>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught >>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people. >>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM >>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared, >>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription >>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've >>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . . >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby >>>>>>>>>>>> stirs. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the >>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW >>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body >>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that >>>>>> harms >>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It >>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do >>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>> work! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and >>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take >>>>>> care >>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place >>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> advice >>>>>>>>>>>> given by licensed >>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or >>>>>>>>>> licensed >>>>>>>>>>>> health care >>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the >>>>>>>>>> politicians >>>>>>>>>>>> mislead you. >>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own >>>>>>> decisions >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>> how to live a >>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - >>>>>>> Linus >>>>>>>>>>> ing, >>>>>>>>>>>> two-time >>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Hi Kenda, That is actually what my new doctor recommended also. She wants me to start swimming twice a week. I asked about water aerobics but she thought even that might be too much for me right now. I guess my muscle tone is pretty poor. But maybe a class for people with arthritis would be more gentle, I will look into that. Thanks. I guess that was my question. If I start slowly and have some flare ups will they eventually go way if I keep working at it? It sounds like they did for you! I would just love to get back to where I was at two years ago. I hate feeling so weak! Thanks again, Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: Hi ,Do you have access to a pool? If so, I'd try water aerobics. I took myclasses at a local YWCA. I started with a class for people with arthritisbecause it was slower and more gentle. Initially I would have minor flaresfollowing my classes but they gradually subsided until I didn't have them atall. I train with a trainer three days a week now and have private yogalessons one day a week and don't have fibro flares at all. I do have theregular weight lifting pain after some workouts but I consider that goodpain. Kenda> Kenda and ,> Thank you so much for your replies. My situation seems almost opposite. I> had worked out with a trainer for 2 years and was in the best shape/strongest> I had ever been. Then I got my implants and started getting sick almost> immediately. I only had them for 18 months, but had to stop working out with> the trainer about a year after I got the implant because the fibro pain was> too bad and working out seemed to make everything tighter and more painful. I> would love to be able to work out again because it made me feel so good, but I> have finally gotten the pain manageable with chiropractor, acupuncture,> massage and supplements that I am so afraid if I start exercising again I will> be in pain gain. Any thoughts or suggestions on this?> Thanks,> > > Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote:> Hi ,> > I love exercise as well, it makes me feel better, I am stronger and> definitely healthier. I am doing things at 45 that I couldn't do in my 20's> or 30's. My balance is great and my core strength is amazing, especially in> light of the nasty vertical c-sections I had. My OB said I would never> regain my strong abs after two c-sections but I did. The best part is that> my emotions are very even. Exercise and yoga have brought me a calmness and> better ability to deal with life. Of course I look better but that's only a> small benefit compared to all of the other things exercise has to offer.> One thing I would like to add to those who are just starting an exercise> program is that it took me two years at the gym to start really enjoying it.> I was committed to going but HATED it. I think once you start feeling> changes from exercise, it brings different feelings about it and you start> to enjoy it.> > Since you contemplated becoming a certified trainer, you know that diet is> more important than exercise in the overall scheme of things. This is> something my trainer has a hard time getting his clients to accept. People> are willing to come into the gym but are unwilling to stop drinking the pop> or eating fast food. They will never see the health benefits they are> looking for without a diet change.> > Kenda -- with no "r" > >> Kendra that is awesome. I too just can't say enough about exercise. I>> always tell people that it saved me. I too was a big time couch>> potatoe. I started working out back when I was about 33 years old. I>> was a smoker, and never did much healthy....but I got into the best>> shape of my life quit smoking etc.....I was very healthy. Then I got>> into running and I loved it! I would run up to 30 miles a week. That>> was around the time I lost all my body fat and my breasts started to>> sag terribly after all the weightloss, so I ended up thinking that my>> reward for getting in such great shape would be boobs! Within 3 months>> I was very ill. So much for my reward. But I never did stop exercising>> with my illness....I always made sure I did something no matter how>> bad I felt. I also told myself the day the illness became too much for>> me to even work out was the day I got rid of the implants. Well that>> day came and I did it, got them out. Best thing I ever did. I>> continued with my training slowly. In fact I almost became a>> certified trainer myself but, well a great career op came up and that>> was too good to turn down so I went with this job I have now instead.>> I love my work but I still think about getting certified. I love>> working out and esp love to help others get in shape. It is fun and>> inspiring to take someone and help them find the body and the fitness>> inside them. It is inside all of us if we just learn to bring it out,>> I believe anyhow. Now I just work out with my hubby at home and we>> love it. I will never stop working out. I know what it can do for you>> when your sick too. I mean one should not over do it but there are so>> many benefits of working out. It really is important.>> Now at 41 years old I have a better body than I ever did in my 20's>> and I have to say I can wear clothes that I never thought I would be>> able to ... it is sure fun! But of course it is more about how you>> feel than how you look.>> I am glad you didn't get implants, they really can ruin your life and>> take so much away from you. They never did bring me any happiness. I>> mean sure I looked great in a tank top, but there is so much more to>> life than big boobs!>> take care>> >> >> >> >> >> >> In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote:>>> >>> Hi ,>>> >>> First off, I never had implants. I don't believe you were here in March>>> when I first came to the list asking for help in deciding if they>> were safe.>>> Of course you can imagine the group's reaction, quickly talking me>> out of>>> it. The strange thing is that I have had a lot of the same health>> issues>>> implanted women have, without ever having been implanted. Because>> of that,>>> I was asked to stick around because I had to fight my way back to>> health -->>> and then almost gave it up getting implants. Stupid!!>>> >>> In answer to your question, yes, I did start working out when I first>>> started trying to regain my health. It was very hard because I had>> been a>>> couch potato for several years when I was so sick and was extremely>> weak. I>>> started with water aerobics but it gave me constant vaginal problems. I>>> switched over to lifting weights with a trainer. I chose training with a>>> trainer because I have a herniated L5/S1 disc that any little wrong>> movement>>> would put me into a several week cycle of pain and many trips to the>> chiro,>>> not to mention pain killers. It took a couple of years to stabilize my>>> spine through gym work. I also added yoga and cycling. My back no>> longer>>> bothers me, six years later, and I am the healthiest and strongest I>> have>>> ever been. I can't speak enough for the power of exercise. I>> feel plain>>> lousy if I skip the gym so I don't.>>> >>> Kenda>>> >>> >>>> I am not Kendra but I can tell you what worked for me. First it was>>>> getting the implants out....then I used some epsom salt baths and esp>>>> aftere working out ...for me eating a super healthy diet high in>>>> veggies, fruits and whole grains and then working out....that is>>>> it...that is what cured me. Oh lots of hot tub soaks too. I found that>>>> if I worked out every day...even though at first it hurt, I just kept>>>> at it....went slow and worked up to 2 hours a day. That has been>>>> almost 6 years now and I would say almost all my pain was gone within>>>> 2 years of explant ....maybe less but for sure gone by 2 years. The>>>> only time I ever get achy now is if I work out extra hard or do>>>> something different that I have no done in awhile. I am at the>>>> healthiest weight I have ever been 115 pounds.....and feel great. i>>>> can't believe I once had fibro and mixed connective tissue disease. It>>>> is amazing. I guess if I had to say why I would guess it was the>>>> implants being gone but i feel the working out really helped me too.>>>> Kendra did you work out allot too?>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In , G <karengup@y...> wrote:>>>>> >>>>> Hi Kenda,>>>>> Could you please tell me what you did to get rid of your fibro>>>> symptoms? Was it supplements, medication, other treatments or just>>>> time? This is the worst of my remaining symptoms since my explant 7>>>> months ago and I would do just about anything to get rid of it.>>>>> Thanks,>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote:>>>>> I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on with my>>>> body>>>>> and ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many>>>> times but>>>>> still enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie!>>>>> >>>>> Kenda>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything>>>>>> without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many times.>>>>>> Hugs, kathy>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone>>>>>>> suffering >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> fibro pain.>>>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>>>>> last week>>>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>> long.>>>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been>>>>>> high >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> past so I>>>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks>>>>>> ago >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> bring >>>>>>>>>>>> it down.>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which>>>>>>>>>> triggered>>>>>>>>>>>> menopausal>>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> previous>>>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> result of too>>>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>> So, >>>>>>>>>>>> for anyone>>>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems,>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>> want to go>>>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be>>>>>>> low >>>>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing>>>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> bad and>>>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> bit>>>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look>>>>>> forward >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> menopause. He>>>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems>>>>>>> fibro >>>>>>>>> pain >>>>>>>>>>>> isn't always>>>>>>>>>>>> fibro!>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenda>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a>>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a>>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to>>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for>>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one>>>>>> thing>>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress,>>>>>> illness ->>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by>>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught>>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people.>>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the>>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM>>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study!>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared,>>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription>>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've>>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . .>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby>>>>>>>>>>>> stirs.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the>>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW>>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body>>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that>>>>>> harms>>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It>>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do>>>>>> it's>>>>>>>>>>>> work! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and>>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take>>>>>> care>>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can!>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers,>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> advice >>>>>>>>>>>> given by licensed>>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or>>>>>>>>>> licensed>>>>>>>>>>>> health care>>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment.>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Do not let either the medical authorities or the>>>>>>>>>> politicians>>>>>>>>>>>> mislead you.>>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own>>>>>>> decisions >>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>> how to live a>>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world." ->>>>>>> Linus >>>>>>>>>>> ing,>>>>>>>>>>>> two-time>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Hi , I was where you are now, maybe even worse because I couldn't even tolerate massages. My rheumatologist recommended water aerobics classes. I really think you'd be fine in a class for people with arthritis and a lot of Y's have them. You can also check out the Arthritis Foundation for more information. Check out http://www.arthritis.org/communities/Chapters/SearchResultsEvents.asp?key=PACE & dis= and see if there are any classes here in your area. The nice thing about the arthritis classes is that you can take the class at your own pace. All of the ladies in my class were at least 20 years older than I was so even in my weakened condition, I was still in better shape than they were. You can kick faster or move quicker if you want to. I was sore after every workout for a while but it did gradually get better over time. I started out with classes twice per week and worked up to twice per week. When I changed over to working out at the gym, I was sore after every workout but it was muscular soreness, not injury soreness. I welcomed the soreness, knowing it meant I was getting stronger. I have been training in the gym three times a week for six years now and rarely get sore now. I'm sure you'll do great, just be patient with yourself. Kenda > Hi Kenda, > That is actually what my new doctor recommended also. She wants me to start > swimming twice a week. I asked about water aerobics but she thought even that > might be too much for me right now. I guess my muscle tone is pretty poor. > But maybe a class for people with arthritis would be more gentle, I will look > into that. Thanks. I guess that was my question. If I start slowly and have > some flare ups will they eventually go way if I keep working at it? It sounds > like they did for you! I would just love to get back to where I was at two > years ago. I hate feeling so weak! > Thanks again, > > > Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: > Hi , > > Do you have access to a pool? If so, I'd try water aerobics. I took my > classes at a local YWCA. I started with a class for people with arthritis > because it was slower and more gentle. Initially I would have minor flares > following my classes but they gradually subsided until I didn't have them at > all. I train with a trainer three days a week now and have private yoga > lessons one day a week and don't have fibro flares at all. I do have the > regular weight lifting pain after some workouts but I consider that good > pain. > > Kenda > > >> Kenda and , >> Thank you so much for your replies. My situation seems almost opposite. I >> had worked out with a trainer for 2 years and was in the best shape/strongest >> I had ever been. Then I got my implants and started getting sick almost >> immediately. I only had them for 18 months, but had to stop working out with >> the trainer about a year after I got the implant because the fibro pain was >> too bad and working out seemed to make everything tighter and more painful. >> I >> would love to be able to work out again because it made me feel so good, but >> I >> have finally gotten the pain manageable with chiropractor, acupuncture, >> massage and supplements that I am so afraid if I start exercising again I >> will >> be in pain gain. Any thoughts or suggestions on this? >> Thanks, >> >> >> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@...> wrote: >> Hi , >> >> I love exercise as well, it makes me feel better, I am stronger and >> definitely healthier. I am doing things at 45 that I couldn't do in my 20's >> or 30's. My balance is great and my core strength is amazing, especially in >> light of the nasty vertical c-sections I had. My OB said I would never >> regain my strong abs after two c-sections but I did. The best part is that >> my emotions are very even. Exercise and yoga have brought me a calmness and >> better ability to deal with life. Of course I look better but that's only a >> small benefit compared to all of the other things exercise has to offer. >> One thing I would like to add to those who are just starting an exercise >> program is that it took me two years at the gym to start really enjoying it. >> I was committed to going but HATED it. I think once you start feeling >> changes from exercise, it brings different feelings about it and you start >> to enjoy it. >> >> Since you contemplated becoming a certified trainer, you know that diet is >> more important than exercise in the overall scheme of things. This is >> something my trainer has a hard time getting his clients to accept. People >> are willing to come into the gym but are unwilling to stop drinking the pop >> or eating fast food. They will never see the health benefits they are >> looking for without a diet change. >> >> Kenda -- with no " r " >> >>> Kendra that is awesome. I too just can't say enough about exercise. I >>> always tell people that it saved me. I too was a big time couch >>> potatoe. I started working out back when I was about 33 years old. I >>> was a smoker, and never did much healthy....but I got into the best >>> shape of my life quit smoking etc.....I was very healthy. Then I got >>> into running and I loved it! I would run up to 30 miles a week. That >>> was around the time I lost all my body fat and my breasts started to >>> sag terribly after all the weightloss, so I ended up thinking that my >>> reward for getting in such great shape would be boobs! Within 3 months >>> I was very ill. So much for my reward. But I never did stop exercising >>> with my illness....I always made sure I did something no matter how >>> bad I felt. I also told myself the day the illness became too much for >>> me to even work out was the day I got rid of the implants. Well that >>> day came and I did it, got them out. Best thing I ever did. I >>> continued with my training slowly. In fact I almost became a >>> certified trainer myself but, well a great career op came up and that >>> was too good to turn down so I went with this job I have now instead. >>> I love my work but I still think about getting certified. I love >>> working out and esp love to help others get in shape. It is fun and >>> inspiring to take someone and help them find the body and the fitness >>> inside them. It is inside all of us if we just learn to bring it out, >>> I believe anyhow. Now I just work out with my hubby at home and we >>> love it. I will never stop working out. I know what it can do for you >>> when your sick too. I mean one should not over do it but there are so >>> many benefits of working out. It really is important. >>> Now at 41 years old I have a better body than I ever did in my 20's >>> and I have to say I can wear clothes that I never thought I would be >>> able to ... it is sure fun! But of course it is more about how you >>> feel than how you look. >>> I am glad you didn't get implants, they really can ruin your life and >>> take so much away from you. They never did bring me any happiness. I >>> mean sure I looked great in a tank top, but there is so much more to >>> life than big boobs! >>> take care >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi , >>>> >>>> First off, I never had implants. I don't believe you were here in March >>>> when I first came to the list asking for help in deciding if they >>> were safe. >>>> Of course you can imagine the group's reaction, quickly talking me >>> out of >>>> it. The strange thing is that I have had a lot of the same health >>> issues >>>> implanted women have, without ever having been implanted. Because >>> of that, >>>> I was asked to stick around because I had to fight my way back to >>> health -- >>>> and then almost gave it up getting implants. Stupid!! >>>> >>>> In answer to your question, yes, I did start working out when I first >>>> started trying to regain my health. It was very hard because I had >>> been a >>>> couch potato for several years when I was so sick and was extremely >>> weak. I >>>> started with water aerobics but it gave me constant vaginal problems. I >>>> switched over to lifting weights with a trainer. I chose training with a >>>> trainer because I have a herniated L5/S1 disc that any little wrong >>> movement >>>> would put me into a several week cycle of pain and many trips to the >>> chiro, >>>> not to mention pain killers. It took a couple of years to stabilize my >>>> spine through gym work. I also added yoga and cycling. My back no >>> longer >>>> bothers me, six years later, and I am the healthiest and strongest I >>> have >>>> ever been. I can't speak enough for the power of exercise. I >>> feel plain >>>> lousy if I skip the gym so I don't. >>>> >>>> Kenda >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am not Kendra but I can tell you what worked for me. First it was >>>>> getting the implants out....then I used some epsom salt baths and esp >>>>> aftere working out ...for me eating a super healthy diet high in >>>>> veggies, fruits and whole grains and then working out....that is >>>>> it...that is what cured me. Oh lots of hot tub soaks too. I found that >>>>> if I worked out every day...even though at first it hurt, I just kept >>>>> at it....went slow and worked up to 2 hours a day. That has been >>>>> almost 6 years now and I would say almost all my pain was gone within >>>>> 2 years of explant ....maybe less but for sure gone by 2 years. The >>>>> only time I ever get achy now is if I work out extra hard or do >>>>> something different that I have no done in awhile. I am at the >>>>> healthiest weight I have ever been 115 pounds.....and feel great. i >>>>> can't believe I once had fibro and mixed connective tissue disease. It >>>>> is amazing. I guess if I had to say why I would guess it was the >>>>> implants being gone but i feel the working out really helped me too. >>>>> Kendra did you work out allot too? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In , G <karengup@y...> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Kenda, >>>>>> Could you please tell me what you did to get rid of your fibro >>>>> symptoms? Was it supplements, medication, other treatments or just >>>>> time? This is the worst of my remaining symptoms since my explant 7 >>>>> months ago and I would do just about anything to get rid of it. >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: >>>>>> I enjoy going to my ND, I enjoy finding out what is going on with my >>>>> body >>>>>> and ways to help it. I have been disappointed by lab results many >>>>> times but >>>>>> still enjoy learning from him. I am a test junkie! >>>>>> >>>>>> Kenda >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I hate going to the doctor too. I try to do just about everything >>>>>>> without them. I guess I have been disappointed one too many times. >>>>>>> Hugs, kathy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have a strange one to add to this, for anyone >>>>>>>> suffering >>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>> fibro pain. >>>>>>>>>>>> As you know, I have been fibro-pain free for several >>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>>> Just >>>>>>>>>>>> last week >>>>>>>>>>>> I developed the same debilitating pain I had been free >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>> long. >>>>>>>>>>>> Freaked, I saw Dr. Leu today. My estrogen has been >>>>>>> high >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> past so I >>>>>>>>>>>> was put on an aromatase inhibitor a couple of weeks >>>>>>> ago >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> bring >>>>>>>>>>>> it down. >>>>>>>>>>>> Evidently, it brought my estrogen down too low, which >>>>>>>>>>> triggered >>>>>>>>>>>> menopausal >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms -- hot flashes and night sweats, which I had >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> previous >>>>>>>>>>>> developed. The fibro symptoms I had this past week >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> result of too >>>>>>>>>>>> little estrogen in my body! My IC flared horribly as >>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>>> So, >>>>>>>>>>>> for anyone >>>>>>>>>>>> suffering fibro symptoms with known hormone problems, >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>> might >>>>>>>>>>>> want to go >>>>>>>>>>>> see an ND and get a hormone test to see if it could be >>>>>>>> low >>>>>>>>>>>> estrogen causing >>>>>>>>>>>> your fibro pain. The pain I felt during the past week >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>> bad and >>>>>>>>>>>> debilitating as years ago. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I skipped the aromatase inhibitor this morning and >>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>>>> feel >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> bit >>>>>>>>>>>> better. I asked if this is what I have to look >>>>>>> forward >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>> menopause. He >>>>>>>>>>>> said no because I will be on natural HRT. It seems >>>>>>>> fibro >>>>>>>>>> pain >>>>>>>>>>>> isn't always >>>>>>>>>>>> fibro! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kenda >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Something to keep in mind is that Fibromyalgia is a >>>>>>>>>>>> Syndrome, not a disease . . . A Syndrome is a >>>>>>>>>>>> collection of symptoms that have enough in common to >>>>>>>>>>>> be given a name. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm convinced that there are a number of causes for >>>>>>>>>>>> Fibromyalgia . . . however, IMHO, they have one >>>>>>> thing >>>>>>>>>>>> in cause . . . A trauma - accident, stress, >>>>>>> illness - >>>>>>>>>>>> that caused a disturbance in ones sleep cycle. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They've found that FM can be induced in anyone by >>>>>>>>>>>> depriving them of enough sleep. However, when caught >>>>>>>>>>>> up on sleep, FM symptoms disappear for most people. >>>>>>>>>>>> However, if one is prone to FM, they keep the >>>>>>>>>>>> symptoms! I bet those study participants who kept FM >>>>>>>>>>>> will never forget that study! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the years, all my FM symptoms have disappeared, >>>>>>>>>>>> except that, without a small amount of prescription >>>>>>>>>>>> medication, I don't get sufficient deep sleep. I've >>>>>>>>>>>> gone off the medication to see what happens . . . >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing happened, except, I woke every time my hubby >>>>>>>>>>>> stirs. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I think it's important to put all the >>>>>>>>>>>> diagnoses aside. Take only medications that you KNOW >>>>>>>>>>>> is helping, do everything possible to give your body >>>>>>>>>>>> what it needs, while eliminating the stuff that >>>>>>> harms >>>>>>>>>>>> it. The human body has incredible healing powers! It >>>>>>>>>>>> takes time, discipline and patience to let it do >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>> work! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> However, when faced with a life of pain and >>>>>>>>>>>> disability, we really have no choice but to take >>>>>>> care >>>>>>>>>>>> of our health the best we possibly can! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> To do otherwise is self-destructive. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hugs and prayers, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rogene >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place >>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> advice >>>>>>>>>>>> given by licensed >>>>>>>>>>>> health care professionals. Consult your physician or >>>>>>>>>>> licensed >>>>>>>>>>>> health care >>>>>>>>>>>> professional before commencing any medical treatment. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the >>>>>>>>>>> politicians >>>>>>>>>>>> mislead you. >>>>>>>>>>>> Find out what the facts are, and make your own >>>>>>>> decisions >>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>> how to live a >>>>>>>>>>>> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - >>>>>>>> Linus >>>>>>>>>>>> ing, >>>>>>>>>>>> two-time >>>>>>>>>>>> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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