HELP

[Guest guest]

Toni Fuller writes:

<< ... That probably wouldn't have happened if someone had said *low carb*

(although I'm not really sure that will work--except that insulin needs are

half

and I have lost 5 lbs) >>

Good job, Toni! And I expect that, if you still have pancreas function, your

insulin needs will continue to drop further.

<< Bernstein is awfully strict for a beginner! You might well be

overshwelmed! I'm going over to the book store in a while to buy Protein

Power and Sugar Busters. Doc

recommended the latter. >>

Bernstein is really strict. But I am so impressed with the insights he

offers about both type1 and type 2 diabetes. No one had ever talked to me

about the disease the way he does. Like the info about the feet. Now, to get

your feet wet, I have heard that " Sugar Busters " is really " user-friendly. "

And some people like " Entering the Zone " and " Mastering the Zone " by Dr.

Barry Sears because it is pretty lenient about the carbs too. The thing is,

most of these helpful books are available in paperback format for $6-$7, and

that is such a small price to pay compared to the costs of the disease

itself. Each book adds to our knowledge, and offers a somewhat different

approach. It's worth it to spend $20-$30 on paperbacks that could make a

major difference in the management of this disease. The Hellers too are well

thought of. They wrote " Carbohydrate Addicts' Diet. " Most of these authors

have web sites, as well, that are very useful.

Susie

P.S. And thanks for your support, Toni!

[Guest guest]

OtterCritter wrote:

>

>

> Toni Fuller writes:

>

> << ... That probably wouldn't have happened if someone had said *low carb*

> (although I'm not really sure that will work--except that insulin needs are

> half

> and I have lost 5 lbs) >>

>

> Good job, Toni! And I expect that, if you still have pancreas function, your

> insulin needs will continue to drop further.

>

> << Bernstein is awfully strict for a beginner! You might well be

> overshwelmed! I'm going over to the book store in a while to buy Protein

> Power and Sugar Busters. Doc

> recommended the latter. >>

<snip> I'll snip to stay out of trouble! I just came from the book store.

Protein Power, Atkins New Diet Revolution and Sugar Busters are *all* on the

best seller list! Here at my stores, if that is true, the discounts are *big*

I got the first two for 4.54 each and Sugar Busters (hard back) for 15. (

something). I am all set to read. I've really enjoyed Bernstein, but he must

go back to the library Wed with no renewal. Later, I can request it again! *If

I haven't decided to buy it) It is $25, but with the Reacer's Choice discount

at Book Stop, it will be 20. I checked Amazon.com, but after postage it will be

almost 22 and I'd have to wait! I'll have to wait anyway, but...the stores here

don't carry it, but can get it in two days!

Tonight I'm having Greek meatloaf ( I hide the eggplant between two layers of

meat! and broccoli and gresh green beans! (I'm cooking new potatoes in the

beans, but will reserve them for Bill! WOW! This will be my largest meal yet!

BTW...I can't find mention of dill pickles, cucumbers, celery or lettuce ( not

in salad, just alone) Maybe I'll get there!

Do you know the website for Atkins and Eades? *hugs* Toni and tahnks for

your support! You are the one giving the support...you and and Tarcisio!

[Guest guest]

Vicki;

Thanks for the input. I visit the Doc every 3 weeks to get a blood test.

My BG hovers between 8 and 10 depending on the time of day I last ate.

I am seriously thinking about this Glyburide drug. Is it safe or what?

I think the side affects far outweigh the benefits. Should I go on something

that is proven more safe?

> Re: Help

>

>

> From: WHIMSY2@...

>

> Hi, , you found the right place. This list is wonderful source

> information and support. Many on this list will probably recommend " Dr.

> Bernstein's Diabetic Solutions " by Bernstein, M.D. If I

> only bought

> one book to learn about diabetes it would be this one. It's

> available through

> Amazon, of course. And a lot of us eat " low carb " as a way to

> control our

> BGs. Have you got a glucometer yet? If not, get one and TEST

> FREQUENTLY!

>

> This is my advice to a newbie. Welcome -- and good luck! Vicki

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Toni Fuller writes:

<< ... Do you know the website for Atkins and Eades? >>

Let's see here ... These are the web sites for the leading diet books and

guides:

Dr. Bernstein - http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/

Dr. Atkins - http://www.atkinscenter.com/

Protein Power (the Drs. Eades) - http://www.eatprotein.com

Sugar Busters - http://www.sugarbusters.com/

The Zone (Dr. Barry Sears) - http://www.drsears.com/

Carbohydrate Addicts Diet (the Hellers) -

http://www.carbohydrateaddicts.com/index.html

NeanderThin (Ray Audette) - http://www.sofdesign.com/neander/

Adiposity 101 (Chuck Forsberg) -

http://agora.rdrop.com/users/caf/adipos.html

The Ketogenic Diet (Lyle Mc) -

http://www.cyberpump.com/lyle/order.html

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/3/99 8:45:47 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

bishop@... writes:

<<

Can we eat cheese? At the grocery today I saw that the carb and sugar was

very

very low? There must be something I am missing!! I haven't gotten a low

carb book

yet---will get them from the Library to decide what I like best. Is the

Atkins diet one

that we can use? I have to get cholest. and trycl. down too. Am going

nut--meant to

go to the library today. Please tell me the right range for blood sugar!

thank you kathie >>

Kathie,

I love cheese too; but it is full of fat unless U get no fat cheese.

It sorta taste like yellow rubber. Normal BG is 70-110 some peoples target

range is higher. It depends on what your doctor wants you to aim for.

My doctor wants me in the normal range....

Merry

[Guest guest]

Toni Fuller writes:

<< BTW...I can't find mention of dill pickles, cucumbers, celery or lettuce

>>

You can load up on dill pickles and celery, and cucumbers and lettuce are

pretty decent too. People imagine us low-carbers eating fatty, marbled meat

until the grease runs out our ears, but in truth, we are salad fiends.

Susie

[Guest guest]

I love the pickles. I wrap a slice of smoked turkey around a pickle slice and a

*bunch* of that yummy leaf lettuce. (In fact, I eat two!)

OtterCritter wrote:

>

>

> Toni Fuller writes:

>

> << BTW...I can't find mention of dill pickles, cucumbers, celery or lettuce

> >>

>

> You can load up on dill pickles and celery, and cucumbers and lettuce are

> pretty decent too. People imagine us low-carbers eating fatty, marbled meat

> until the grease runs out our ears, but in truth, we are salad fiends.

>

> Susie

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Young writes:

<< ... I visit the Doc every 3 weeks to get a blood test. My BG hovers

between 8 and 10 depending on the time of day I last ate. I am seriously

thinking about this Glyburide drug. Is it safe or what? I think the side

affects far outweigh the benefits. Should I go on something

that is proven more safe? >>

As the others have urged, , you should get a good blood glucose meter

and check your own blood glucose. This is especially important to do when

first diagnosed, until you understand your body's reaction to all the foods

you eat, exercise level, stress level, etc. And I am serious about wanting

you to tell your doctor you want to explore alternatives to the Glyburide.

If you think about what is going on with type 2 diabetes, you can see that

the sulfonylurea approach is not the best way to treat the disease. Most of

us type 2's produce enough - or even far too much - insulin; the problem is

that, over time, as we continue to eat carbohydrates, our body reacts by

cranking out insulin, but we eventually become resistant to it. So

sulfonylureas force our pancreas to produce even *more* insulin. But our

problem isn't lack of insulin - it is that we can't use what we already

produce. So we risk loss of our beta cell function (and who wants to go on

insulin if we can achieve GOOD control without it?). And we risk severe

hypos. And we risk weight gain - and as we gain weight, our diabetes gets

worse. The sulfonylurea treatment path tends to be a downward spiral that

winds up with the diabetic on insulin, with an accumulation of complications

that take away from our enjoyment of life.

I'm glad you are questioning and open to input, !

Welcome to our friendly little group, by the way ... )

Susie

[Guest guest]

Oh, ...How I wish I had had this group and Susie 20 years ago! I would be

wiser, healthier and thinner! *hugs* Toni

OtterCritter wrote:

>

>

> Young writes:

>

> << ... I visit the Doc every 3 weeks to get a blood test. My BG hovers

> between 8 and 10 depending on the time of day I last ate. I am seriously

> thinking about this Glyburide drug. Is it safe or what? I think the side

> affects far outweigh the benefits. Should I go on something

> that is proven more safe? >>

>

> As the others have urged, , you should get a good blood glucose meter

> and check your own blood glucose. This is especially important to do when

> first diagnosed, until you understand your body's reaction to all the foods

> you eat, exercise level, stress level, etc. And I am serious about wanting

> you to tell your doctor you want to explore alternatives to the Glyburide.

> If you think about what is going on with type 2 diabetes, you can see that

> the sulfonylurea approach is not the best way to treat the disease. Most of

> us type 2's produce enough - or even far too much - insulin; the problem is

> that, over time, as we continue to eat carbohydrates, our body reacts by

> cranking out insulin, but we eventually become resistant to it. So

> sulfonylureas force our pancreas to produce even *more* insulin. But our

> problem isn't lack of insulin - it is that we can't use what we already

> produce. So we risk loss of our beta cell function (and who wants to go on

> insulin if we can achieve GOOD control without it?). And we risk severe

> hypos. And we risk weight gain - and as we gain weight, our diabetes gets

> worse. The sulfonylurea treatment path tends to be a downward spiral that

> winds up with the diabetic on insulin, with an accumulation of complications

> that take away from our enjoyment of life.

>

> I'm glad you are questioning and open to input, !

>

> Welcome to our friendly little group, by the way ... )

>

> Susie

>

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Toni Fuller writes:

<< Oh, ...How I wish I had had this group and Susie 20 years ago! I

would be

wiser, healthier and thinner! *hugs* >>

I am not paying Toni to say these things ... I swear! But her kind

expressions are welcome.

Susie )

[Guest guest]

http://home.austin.rr.com/beastman/diabetes.htm

I have a bookstore in association with Amazon.com. I get a very small

percentage at no additional cost to you.

Help

>

>

>:

>

>I am a 46 year old male and I have just found out that I have diabetes type

>II.

>What type of foods should I be eating?

>What good book(s) on diabetes II do you recommend reading?

>

>

>

>

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Believe me, they come from my heart! Toni

OtterCritter wrote:

>

>

> Toni Fuller writes:

>

> << Oh, ...How I wish I had had this group and Susie 20 years ago! I

> would be

> wiser, healthier and thinner! *hugs* >>

>

> I am not paying Toni to say these things ... I swear! But her kind

> expressions are welcome.

>

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Can we eat cheese? At the grocery today I saw that the carb and sugar was

very

very low? There must be something I am missing!! I haven't gotten a low

carb book

yet---will get them from the Library to decide what I like best. Is the

Atkins diet one

that we can use? I have to get cholest. and trycl. down too. Am going

nut--meant to

go to the library today. Please tell me the right range for blood sugar!

thank you kathie

Re: Help

>

>

> >

> >

> >Toni Fuller writes:

> >

> ><< ... That probably wouldn't have happened if someone had said *low

carb*

> >(although I'm not really sure that will work--except that insulin needs

are

> >half

> >and I have lost 5 lbs) >>

> >

> >Good job, Toni! And I expect that, if you still have pancreas function,

> your

> >insulin needs will continue to drop further.

> >

> ><< Bernstein is awfully strict for a beginner! You might well be

> >overshwelmed! I'm going over to the book store in a while to buy

Protein

> >Power and Sugar Busters. Doc

> >recommended the latter. >>

> >

> >Bernstein is really strict. But I am so impressed with the insights he

> >offers about both type1 and type 2 diabetes. No one had ever talked to me

> >about the disease the way he does. Like the info about the feet. Now, to

> get

> >your feet wet, I have heard that " Sugar Busters " is really

" user-friendly. "

> >And some people like " Entering the Zone " and " Mastering the Zone " by Dr.

> >Barry Sears because it is pretty lenient about the carbs too. The thing

is,

> >most of these helpful books are available in paperback format for $6-$7,

> and

> >that is such a small price to pay compared to the costs of the disease

> >itself. Each book adds to our knowledge, and offers a somewhat different

> >approach. It's worth it to spend $20-$30 on paperbacks that could make a

> >major difference in the management of this disease. The Hellers too are

> well

> >thought of. They wrote " Carbohydrate Addicts' Diet. " Most of these

authors

> >have web sites, as well, that are very useful.

> >

> >Susie

> >

> >P.S. And thanks for your support, Toni!

> >

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Kathie writes:

<< Can we eat cheese? At the grocery today I saw that the carb and sugar

was

very very low? >>

You certainly can, Kathie. But I always buy low-fat because I am trying

to lose weight. Cheese contains a lot of fat. (Check the calories on the

labels!)

<< Is the Atkins diet one that we can use? >>

Atkins certainly is. My only complaint is that he doesn't alert readers

enough to how many calories they can unwittingly take in if they don't watch

the calorie/fat level of the low-carb foods. And he doesn't make it clear in

his book that when dieters note that they are spilling ketones in their

urine, there is no way to know if it is because they are truly burning their

own body fat, or if they are just eating too much fat. And I also don't

think it's clear enough that the recipes he includes are only for after

dieters have completed the induction phase. Some - okay, MANY - readers miss

the point that the ideal place to be to burn body fat is right at the edge

of ketosis. We aim to reduce carbohydrate intake until we " pee purple, " then

add back carbs in the form of healthy veggies, etc., until we are right

there on the verge. I have encountered a lot of people who are gleefully

piling on the whipped cream and other high-calorie foods, trying to keep

that " purple thing " going.

Many overweight people are hyperinsulinemic, which causes excess fluid

retention, among otherproblems. There is this big " whoosh " of water weight

at the beginning, when the ketosis causes the departure of a lot of excess

retained fluid, and that sensational beginning is especially motivating for

those of us who are insulin-resistant and as a result struggle with weight

loss. But some of these dieters became discouraged when they failed to lose

after that initial whoosh. We still need to remain active; we need to be

aware that purple on the Keto-Stix should come from truly burning our own

body fat, and not from too much fat in the diet; we need to drink 64 ounces

of water, plus another 8 ounces for each 25 pounds we want to lose, daily;

we need to take good supplements, especially a multi-vitamin with minerals,

calcium, and perhaps extra B+, E and C, as well as others we select that

could include magnesium, soy isoflavones, potassium, DHEA, etc. We should be

aware that we can get our protein from a powder if we choose not to eat meat

due to worries about fat or other considerations (but there are only a few

brands that are truly non-carb ... and they taste like blackboard chalk, so

they must be mixed with something edible). So I would recommend Atkins - but

would recommend that you buy other works to supplement your knowledge,

because Atkins does tend to gloss over some points - and as diabetics we

have to assess our diet and potential health consequences more seriously

than someone who wants to lose weight but is otherwise healthy.

Kathie, this will be hard to believe, but you will bring your

cholesterol and triglycerides down by eating more protein and fat. Sounds

nuts ... I know ... but it works for many of us. What I always say is that

the diabetes is the 800-lb. gorilla. We eat a lot of carbohydrates, trying

to avoid fat, hoping for better test results, and they get worse! And it is

because carbohydrates are the " problem food " for diabetics. So we eat a lot

of them and our diabetes gets worse ... and when it gets worse, so does our

overall health and our test results. Take steps to improve the diabetes (and

that includes exercise and, if necessary, medications) and the test results

improve like magic. I eat a very high-protein diet, and my kidneys are fine,

and my blood work is fine. It wasn't fine at all when I was eating a

high-carbohydrate diet, trying to minimize my meat/fat intake, thinking that

would lower the lipids and cholesterol. Although I didn't know it at the

time, I was unwittingly worsening my diabetes with that eating style.

We want to keep our blood glucose levels as close to 100 as we can. Our

HbA1c test results depend on the Normal Range of the lab our doctor selects.

Lab normal ranges are often 4.5 - 5.5 ... or 4.0 - 6.0 ... or 4.4 - 6.4 ...

it just depends. But generally, if we fall in the 5.0 to 5.5 range, we would

be Normal. (You have to get that range from your doctor.) It is quite

possible for type 2's eating low-carb to fall into normal range on this test

with no medications. And many doctors will be pleased if their diabetic

patients score at 7 or under.

Susie

[Guest guest]

thank you for your help---we should do no sugar- no carbs- no fat? Thanks

for t he range--my dr. said a little higher than that but I want to be

normal

will try harder------kj

Re: Help

> From: Om8421@...

>

> In a message dated 5/3/99 8:45:47 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

> bishop@... writes:

>

> <<

>

>

> Can we eat cheese? At the grocery today I saw that the carb and sugar

was

> very

> very low? There must be something I am missing!! I haven't gotten a low

> carb book

> yet---will get them from the Library to decide what I like best. Is the

> Atkins diet one

> that we can use? I have to get cholest. and trycl. down too. Am going

> nut--meant to

> go to the library today. Please tell me the right range for blood sugar!

> thank you kathie >>

> Kathie,

> I love cheese too; but it is full of fat unless U get no fat cheese.

> It sorta taste like yellow rubber. Normal BG is 70-110 some peoples

target

> range is higher. It depends on what your doctor wants you to aim for.

> My doctor wants me in the normal range....

> Merry

>

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[Guest guest]

Susie is correct when she says you can now get some of these diet books in

paperback at lower prices: I would suggest that you go to a large book

store and try to find the same book in paperback and hardcover. Look at

both and decide which you want as a reference.

The reason I say this is that I bought one of these books in paperback.

Why? Well is less costly, isn't it? Yes it is, but, the print is

substantially smaller, and the charts are more difficult to read in that

small print. Dr. Bernstein's was the second book I bought - hard cover,

larger print and much easier on the eyes.

{New Subject} Saw a bumper sticker the other day that certainly pertains to

knowledge of diabetes: Too bad ignorance isn't painful.

Mr. Edd

None of us is as smart as all of us.

Re: Help

>

>

>Toni Fuller writes:

>

><< ... That probably wouldn't have happened if someone had said *low carb*

>(although I'm not really sure that will work--except that insulin needs are

>half

>and I have lost 5 lbs) >>

>

>Good job, Toni! And I expect that, if you still have pancreas function,

your

>insulin needs will continue to drop further.

>

><< Bernstein is awfully strict for a beginner! You might well be

>overshwelmed! I'm going over to the book store in a while to buy Protein

>Power and Sugar Busters. Doc

>recommended the latter. >>

>

>Bernstein is really strict. But I am so impressed with the insights he

>offers about both type1 and type 2 diabetes. No one had ever talked to me

>about the disease the way he does. Like the info about the feet. Now, to

get

>your feet wet, I have heard that " Sugar Busters " is really " user-friendly. "

>And some people like " Entering the Zone " and " Mastering the Zone " by Dr.

>Barry Sears because it is pretty lenient about the carbs too. The thing is,

>most of these helpful books are available in paperback format for $6-$7,

and

>that is such a small price to pay compared to the costs of the disease

>itself. Each book adds to our knowledge, and offers a somewhat different

>approach. It's worth it to spend $20-$30 on paperbacks that could make a

>major difference in the management of this disease. The Hellers too are

well

>thought of. They wrote " Carbohydrate Addicts' Diet. " Most of these authors

>have web sites, as well, that are very useful.

>

>Susie

>

>P.S. And thanks for your support, Toni!

>

>

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The association for diabetics here in Denmark recommends not to eat chease that

is more than 30+ (17-18%), so since having become a diabetic I have always

bought that. And I have experience no problems with that.

> > In a message dated 5/3/99 8:45:47 PM US Eastern Standard Time,

> > bishop@... writes:

> >

> > <<

> >

> >

> > Can we eat cheese? At the grocery today I saw that the carb and sugar

> was

> > very

> > very low? There must be something I am missing!! I haven't gotten a low

> > carb book

> > yet---will get them from the Library to decide what I like best. Is the

> > Atkins diet one

> > that we can use? I have to get cholest. and trycl. down too. Am going

> > nut--meant to

> > go to the library today. Please tell me the right range for blood sugar!

> > thank you kathie >>

> > Kathie,

> > I love cheese too; but it is full of fat unless U get no fat cheese.

> > It sorta taste like yellow rubber. Normal BG is 70-110 some peoples

> target

> > range is higher. It depends on what your doctor wants you to aim for.

> > My doctor wants me in the normal range....

> > Merry

> >

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Hello ,

Sorry to hear that you got diabetes. I'm 47 and was diagenosed as a diab. II in

jan. 99. As for what to eat,

there are many good books on the subject to get you started. But I must say that

I have learned more from

listening to the experience from members on this list than from any book. But

use both sources - as for dietists and doctors, they don't have the personal

experience with diabetes - some dietists, for instance, tell you to eat food

with a high level of carb, which many diabetics will protest against loudly.

Help

>

>

> >

> >

> >:

> >

> >I am a 46 year old male and I have just found out that I have diabetes type

> >II.

> >What type of foods should I be eating?

> >What good book(s) on diabetes II do you recommend reading?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Ann,

That is tremendous. Keep up the good work.

mr edd

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>

> To: diabetes_intonelist

> Subject: Re: Help

> Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 8:23 PM

>

>

>

> I have gone from 265 to 190 and am still loosing.

>

> Ann S

> Re: Help

> > >

> > > > From: WHIMSY2@...

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 99-05-03 23:18:03 EDT, you write:

> > > >

> > > > << we should do no sugar- no carbs- no fat? >>

> > > > No, no, not " NO sugar/no carbs/no fat. " A little is okay. I don't

> have

> > > the

> > > > exact numbers, but I'm sure someone here does. Anyway, if we eat

no

> > > > sugars/no carbs/no fat that doesn't leave much, does it? (protein

is

> > > all!)

> > > > Vicki

> > > >

> > >

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its TubalLigationReversal Cynarra

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To: TubalLigationReversal

Subject: help

Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:47:27 -0000

If anyone gets this, please send me the web address to this group.

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[Guest guest]

,

My prayers go out to both you and your friend. I think the best

thing you can do for your friend is refer her and her husband to Dr.

Levin. In addition to the many miracles he's worked in reversals, I

believe he is also involved with a Surrogate Program. Perhaps he can

be of some help or make referrals for her.

Hang in there with the TTC...you've at least made it one step

closer than some of us. I'm sure it will happen soon for you.

Hugs,

Bonnie

> hello ladies

>

> I have already had my reversal back in April and been

> pg. once it seems that my body was not quite ready for

> all of the excitement that a baby brings. But at

> least I know that it worked. But my problem now is

> that a friend of mine had to have a total hysterectomy

> when she was 22 because of an accident. Now that I

> have been returned to fertilville it makes me feel so

> bad that she can not have any children with her

> husband. What she wanted me to get out to all of you

> who understand and know what kind of struggle she is

> going thru is this 1 simple question.

>

> Would any of you be willing to be a surogate (with the

> use of donor eggs) for her in exchange for help in

> financing your reversal?

> She asked me but with my own medical problems my OB

> said that it would not be a good idea.

> If any of you have any ideas they would be greatly

> appreciated and prayed for.

> please mail me at--shannonanddarrel@a...

> Thank You

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

5 year old asperger boy taking amoxcillin and robitussin for the past week

is jumping off the walls. Behavior is so bad, not listening at all, and

very hyper. Please let me know if anyone has experienced this with their

child and the medicine. If so was there anything you did to bring things a

little under control. As usual I want to thank all of you for any input, you

have always been helpful and I really appreciate it.

LORI

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

You said:

<<I'm having a problem with - every time I get to a 1/4 dose of

Temazepam - 3.75mg. I open the capsul and place the contents in one

cup of apple juice. Then measure out 1/4 cup. I've been on this

dose for three nights now. This is the second time I have gone to

1/4 dose.

I have physical sensations where it feels like my skin is trembling

24 hours a day. It's like my insides are shaking yet not visible on

the outside. It's a truly weird sensation. The first night when I

cut I woke up in the morning shaking. I have pains in my body from

time to time. The headaches are bad. I've started experiencing

twitches primarily in my face - lips. My moods are all over the

place up down and around. I'm so tired. I slept for 12-13 hours

last night.

I was doing ok for a while there. But now the last couple of days

are bad. Usually the first day after a cut I do have side effects

but then they are gone. I don't know about this. Is it always like

this - when you get to the end it gets worse?

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.>>

** You're saying this happens every time you get to 3.75 mg. What is

the dose you are taking right before going down to 3.75 mg?

Regards,

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I cut from 5mg. to 3.75mg. Today is a little better. I worked all

day so I had to force my mind to keep focused on something else.

Which in the long run helped. However I still have the majority of

the symptoms I described. No facial twitches.

Thank you,

> Dear ,

>

>

> You said:

>

> <<I'm having a problem with - every time I get to a 1/4 dose of

> Temazepam - 3.75mg. I open the capsul and place the contents in one

> cup of apple juice. Then measure out 1/4 cup. I've been on this

> dose for three nights now. This is the second time I have gone to

> 1/4 dose.

>

> I have physical sensations where it feels like my skin is trembling

> 24 hours a day. It's like my insides are shaking yet not visible on

> the outside. It's a truly weird sensation. The first night when I

> cut I woke up in the morning shaking. I have pains in my body from

> time to time. The headaches are bad. I've started experiencing

> twitches primarily in my face - lips. My moods are all over the

> place up down and around. I'm so tired. I slept for 12-13 hours

> last night.

>

> I was doing ok for a while there. But now the last couple of days

> are bad. Usually the first day after a cut I do have side effects

> but then they are gone. I don't know about this. Is it always like

> this - when you get to the end it gets worse?

>

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.>>

>

>

> ** You're saying this happens every time you get to 3.75 mg.

What is

> the dose you are taking right before going down to 3.75 mg?

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

You said:

<<I cut from 5mg. to 3.75mg. Today is a little better. I worked all

day so I had to force my mind to keep focused on something else.

Which in the long run helped. However I still have the majority of

the symptoms I described. No facial twitches.>>

** Ok, this is good. Let's see what tomorrow brings. You're going in

the right direction. Are you taking magnesium and calcium, too?

Regards,