Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 I am using the vaginal gel. But I was bleeding so heavy yesterday that I had to go to the Dr. I am now taking no E and Prometrium orally just so I can stop bleeding. I had a biopsy done also and the sono says that I am about a 14 and the uterous is slightly inlarged (no cysts or fibroids). It is probably all because I took too much E w/no P or very little. I went off of Aldactone (spiro) about 6 mos ago and I had to take massive doses of E because that medication blocks Test and E. I also did not fair well on the transdermal P or oral P. Right now if I put an E patch on I hemorage. I just want to stop bleeding and than I will take E with the vaginal P in mimimum doses to feel well. Just hope I don't loose the new hair that grew back or that the acne doesn't come back. Karin > > > > > > > > A question to those out there that have tried the various > > > progesterone routes. I first started > > > > taking Prometrium when I began BHRT about 5 yrs ago. My Dr had > me > > > take it every other day > > > > and I liked that it made me calm and helped me sleep at night. > I > > > did not continue because I > > > > bled every 3 weeks that way and could not get going in the > > > morning. I than switched to the > > > > transdermal P both cream and gel. That did not make me as > tired > > > but it seemed to go down > > > > the androgen pathway a lot more than the oral P (maybe due to > the > > > way the body processes it > > > > thru the skin and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme). I just > started > > > the vaginal P (procheive) and > > > > so far no adverse effects and I seem to be sleeping better. It > > > seems to me that the > > > > transdermal version was the worst for me. Everything I have > read > > > says that the vaginal does > > > > not cause insulin resistance and it seems to go right to the > area > > > that needs it the most. I did > > > > try no P for a number of months and now have some hyperplasia > and > > > continued bleeding. > > > > I will now be cutting back on my E and will take the vag P for > > the > > > next couple of months. I > > > > just hope that I can keep my androgens in check. I think I > over > > > compensated w/extra E due to > > > > the adverse reaction of the transdermal P going the androgen > > > route. Trying to keep it all in > > > > balance. > > > > Karin > > > > > > Hi Karin and everyone on the site. I am Pam, 35, suffering > terribly > > > from hormonal hell. I won't bother you with the details since I > see > > > my story has already been told here by Atlanta Girl, so nice of > her. > > > I found this group while doing a search and just hoping to share > my > > > story and learn from others. I saw this thread first thing about > P > > > and thought WOW! > > > I too have been using P vaginally. I was taking it 12 days of > the > > > month and having alot of problems. I noted to Dr. Vliet that > each > > > month with the P cycle I was getting zits, oily hair, more > hairloss > > > etc. She suggested that I do use it in a continuous dose on a > daily > > > basis (100 mgs). She thought maybe the on and off was causing > to > > > many fluctuations in my body. Let me say what usually works for > > > people doesn't for me. After 2.5 years of this hell I am still > > > looking for the answer. BUT since I began this method Feb. 23 I > > have > > > to say many of the symptoms have gone away. I sleep like a baby, > no > > > zits, oil better, BUT the hair, oh the hair. I must say that I > am > > > probably losing an average of 60-70 hairs a day. Which sounds > not > > so > > > bad BUT when you have been losing it for 2.5 years it is still > > scary > > > territory. I do have some new hair and hoping it will keep > > > improving. But I am losing hair of every size even the new ones. > I > > > am going to try to stay with this method for another month and > see > > > how it goes. It has been so frustrating and literally changed > every > > > aspect of my life. I use to have more hair than five people, was > > > very outgoing, taught school, but since the c-section from hell > > > everything has been a nightmare. Praying it will all end soon. > Hope > > > to share. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 > > > > > > > > > > A question to those out there that have tried the various > > > > progesterone routes. I first started > > > > > taking Prometrium when I began BHRT about 5 yrs ago. My Dr had > > me > > > > take it every other day > > > > > and I liked that it made me calm and helped me sleep at night. > > I > > > > did not continue because I > > > > > bled every 3 weeks that way and could not get going in the > > > > morning. I than switched to the > > > > > transdermal P both cream and gel. That did not make me as > > tired > > > > but it seemed to go down > > > > > the androgen pathway a lot more than the oral P (maybe due to > > the > > > > way the body processes it > > > > > thru the skin and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme). I just > > started > > > > the vaginal P (procheive) and > > > > > so far no adverse effects and I seem to be sleeping better. It > > > > seems to me that the > > > > > transdermal version was the worst for me. Everything I have > > read > > > > says that the vaginal does > > > > > not cause insulin resistance and it seems to go right to the > > area > > > > that needs it the most. I did > > > > > try no P for a number of months and now have some hyperplasia > > and > > > > continued bleeding. > > > > > I will now be cutting back on my E and will take the vag P for > > > the > > > > next couple of months. I > > > > > just hope that I can keep my androgens in check. I think I > > over > > > > compensated w/extra E due to > > > > > the adverse reaction of the transdermal P going the androgen > > > > route. Trying to keep it all in > > > > > balance. > > > > > Karin > > > > > > > > Hi Karin and everyone on the site. I am Pam, 35, suffering > > terribly > > > > from hormonal hell. I won't bother you with the details since I > > see > > > > my story has already been told here by Atlanta Girl, so nice of > > her. > > > > I found this group while doing a search and just hoping to share > > my > > > > story and learn from others. I saw this thread first thing about > > P > > > > and thought WOW! > > > > I too have been using P vaginally. I was taking it 12 days of > > the > > > > month and having alot of problems. I noted to Dr. Vliet that > > each > > > > month with the P cycle I was getting zits, oily hair, more > > hairloss > > > > etc. She suggested that I do use it in a continuous dose on a > > daily > > > > basis (100 mgs). She thought maybe the on and off was causing > > to > > > > many fluctuations in my body. Let me say what usually works for > > > > people doesn't for me. After 2.5 years of this hell I am still > > > > looking for the answer. BUT since I began this method Feb. 23 I > > > have > > > > to say many of the symptoms have gone away. I sleep like a baby, > > no > > > > zits, oil better, BUT the hair, oh the hair. I must say that I > > am > > > > probably losing an average of 60-70 hairs a day. Which sounds > > not > > > so > > > > bad BUT when you have been losing it for 2.5 years it is still > > > scary > > > > territory. I do have some new hair and hoping it will keep > > > > improving. But I am losing hair of every size even the new ones. > > I > > > > am going to try to stay with this method for another month and > > see > > > > how it goes. It has been so frustrating and literally changed > > every > > > > aspect of my life. I use to have more hair than five people, was > > > > very outgoing, taught school, but since the c-section from hell > > > > everything has been a nightmare. Praying it will all end soon. > > Hope > > > > to share. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Karin, just wanted to say, i am soo very sorry about what you're going through..Just like you i was doing high E with no P for a few months...cramps were pretty bad, that's what scared me...then i stopped sleeping at night...at 0.2mg..it's been over 4 weeks..i am miserable to say the least. At this point, forget hair, i just want to be able to sleep...So i started using low P about a week ago, 100mg orally to help me sleep..still couldn't sleep..dropped down E some...slept well for 2 nights, and then last night couldn't sleep again..Don't understand anymore what's going on, but just like you, i am adding P, lowering E and praying for my hair to stay put..Again, so very sorry, and hope the bleeding will stop soon! -bigbird3099 wrote: I am using the vaginal gel. But I was bleeding so heavy yesterday that I had to go to the Dr.I am now taking no E and Prometrium orally just so I can stop bleeding. I had a biopsy done also and the sono says that I am about a 14 and the uterous is slightly inlarged (no cysts or fibroids). It is probably all because I took too much E w/no P or very little. I went off of Aldactone (spiro) about 6 mos ago and I had to take massive doses of E because that medication blocks Test and E. I also did not fair well on the transdermal P or oral P. Right now if I put an E patch on I hemorage. I just want to stop bleeding and than I will take E with the vaginal P in mimimum doses to feel well. Just hope I don't loose the new hair that grew back or that the acne doesn't come back.Karin> > > >> > > > A question to those out there that have tried the various > > > progesterone routes. I first started > > > > taking Prometrium when I began BHRT about 5 yrs ago. My Dr had > me > > > take it every other day > > > > and I liked that it made me calm and helped me sleep at night. > I > > > did not continue because I > > > > bled every 3 weeks that way and could not get going in the > > > morning. I than switched to the > > > > transdermal P both cream and gel. That did not make me as > tired > > > but it seemed to go down > > > > the androgen pathway a lot more than the oral P (maybe due to > the > > > way the body processes it > > > > thru the skin and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme). I just > started > > > the vaginal P (procheive) and > > > > so far no adverse effects and I seem to be sleeping better. It > > > seems to me that the > > > > transdermal version was the worst for me. Everything I have > read > > > says that the vaginal does > > > > not cause insulin resistance and it seems to go right to the > area > > > that needs it the most. I did > > > > try no P for a number of months and now have some hyperplasia > and > > > continued bleeding.> > > > I will now be cutting back on my E and will take the vag P for > > the > > > next couple of months. I > > > > just hope that I can keep my androgens in check. I think I > over > > > compensated w/extra E due to > > > > the adverse reaction of the transdermal P going the androgen > > > route. Trying to keep it all in > > > > balance.> > > > Karin> > > > > > Hi Karin and everyone on the site. I am Pam, 35, suffering > terribly > > > from hormonal hell. I won't bother you with the details since I > see > > > my story has already been told here by Atlanta Girl, so nice of > her.> > > I found this group while doing a search and just hoping to share > my > > > story and learn from others. I saw this thread first thing about > P > > > and thought WOW! > > > I too have been using P vaginally. I was taking it 12 days of > the > > > month and having alot of problems. I noted to Dr. Vliet that > each > > > month with the P cycle I was getting zits, oily hair, more > hairloss > > > etc. She suggested that I do use it in a continuous dose on a > daily > > > basis (100 mgs). She thought maybe the on and off was causing > to > > > many fluctuations in my body. Let me say what usually works for > > > people doesn't for me. After 2.5 years of this hell I am still > > > looking for the answer. BUT since I began this method Feb. 23 I > > have > > > to say many of the symptoms have gone away. I sleep like a baby, > no > > > zits, oil better, BUT the hair, oh the hair. I must say that I > am > > > probably losing an average of 60-70 hairs a day. Which sounds > not > > so > > > bad BUT when you have been losing it for 2.5 years it is still > > scary > > > territory. I do have some new hair and hoping it will keep > > > improving. But I am losing hair of every size even the new ones. > I > > > am going to try to stay with this method for another month and > see > > > how it goes. It has been so frustrating and literally changed > every > > > aspect of my life. I use to have more hair than five people, was > > > very outgoing, taught school, but since the c-section from hell > > > everything has been a nightmare. Praying it will all end soon. > Hope > > > to share.> > > > > > Thanks,> > > Pam> > > >> > >> >> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Hi Val, How long did you bleed for? My Dr. said I could bleed for the next month and it would not be unusual. Karin > > If you had a 14 stripe, it probably would be good to bleed it out. I had a > 13 stripe a year ago and was thankful when it finally started shedding. > > Val > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhythmicliving > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of bigbird3099 > > > I am using the vaginal gel. But I was bleeding so heavy yesterday that I > had to go to the Dr. > I am now taking no E and Prometrium orally just so I can stop bleeding. I > had a biopsy > done also and the sono says that I am about a 14 and the uterous is > slightly inlarged (no > cysts or fibroids). It is probably all because I took too much E w/no P or > very little. I went > off of Aldactone (spiro) about 6 mos ago and I had to take massive doses > of E because that > medication blocks Test and E. I also did not fair well on the transdermal > P or oral P. Right > now if I put an E patch on I hemorage. I just want to stop bleeding and > than I will take E > with the vaginal P in mimimum doses to feel well. Just hope I don't loose > the new hair that > grew back or that the acne doesn't come back. > Karin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Hi , Right now I am not taking any E (which makes me very unhappy) but every time I do I bleed pretty heavy. The weird thing is that I think I am sleeping better w/the P than w/the E. I hope to go back and take E again but in smaller amounts and that use the vag P. I know what it feels like to walk around like a zombie because of lack of sleep. Maybe ther is something to Wiley's book when she talks about certain hormones priming the receptors of other hormones. Hope you can figure it all out also. Karin > > > > > > > > > > A question to those out there that have tried the various > > > > progesterone routes. I first started > > > > > taking Prometrium when I began BHRT about 5 yrs ago. My Dr had > > me > > > > take it every other day > > > > > and I liked that it made me calm and helped me sleep at night. > > I > > > > did not continue because I > > > > > bled every 3 weeks that way and could not get going in the > > > > morning. I than switched to the > > > > > transdermal P both cream and gel. That did not make me as > > tired > > > > but it seemed to go down > > > > > the androgen pathway a lot more than the oral P (maybe due to > > the > > > > way the body processes it > > > > > thru the skin and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme). I just > > started > > > > the vaginal P (procheive) and > > > > > so far no adverse effects and I seem to be sleeping better. It > > > > seems to me that the > > > > > transdermal version was the worst for me. Everything I have > > read > > > > says that the vaginal does > > > > > not cause insulin resistance and it seems to go right to the > > area > > > > that needs it the most. I did > > > > > try no P for a number of months and now have some hyperplasia > > and > > > > continued bleeding. > > > > > I will now be cutting back on my E and will take the vag P for > > > the > > > > next couple of months. I > > > > > just hope that I can keep my androgens in check. I think I > > over > > > > compensated w/extra E due to > > > > > the adverse reaction of the transdermal P going the androgen > > > > route. Trying to keep it all in > > > > > balance. > > > > > Karin > > > > > > > > Hi Karin and everyone on the site. I am Pam, 35, suffering > > terribly > > > > from hormonal hell. I won't bother you with the details since I > > see > > > > my story has already been told here by Atlanta Girl, so nice of > > her. > > > > I found this group while doing a search and just hoping to share > > my > > > > story and learn from others. I saw this thread first thing about > > P > > > > and thought WOW! > > > > I too have been using P vaginally. I was taking it 12 days of > > the > > > > month and having alot of problems. I noted to Dr. Vliet that > > each > > > > month with the P cycle I was getting zits, oily hair, more > > hairloss > > > > etc. She suggested that I do use it in a continuous dose on a > > daily > > > > basis (100 mgs). She thought maybe the on and off was causing > > to > > > > many fluctuations in my body. Let me say what usually works for > > > > people doesn't for me. After 2.5 years of this hell I am still > > > > looking for the answer. BUT since I began this method Feb. 23 I > > > have > > > > to say many of the symptoms have gone away. I sleep like a baby, > > no > > > > zits, oil better, BUT the hair, oh the hair. I must say that I > > am > > > > probably losing an average of 60-70 hairs a day. Which sounds > > not > > > so > > > > bad BUT when you have been losing it for 2.5 years it is still > > > scary > > > > territory. I do have some new hair and hoping it will keep > > > > improving. But I am losing hair of every size even the new ones. > > I > > > > am going to try to stay with this method for another month and > > see > > > > how it goes. It has been so frustrating and literally changed > > every > > > > aspect of my life. I use to have more hair than five people, was > > > > very outgoing, taught school, but since the c-section from hell > > > > everything has been a nightmare. Praying it will all end soon. > > Hope > > > > to share. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice.** > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Pam, Thanks. Are you taking oral P? Are you taking any other meds besides E and P? Karin > > > > > > > > > > > > A question to those out there that have tried the various > > > > > progesterone routes. I first started > > > > > > taking Prometrium when I began BHRT about 5 yrs ago. My Dr > had > > > me > > > > > take it every other day > > > > > > and I liked that it made me calm and helped me sleep at > night. > > > I > > > > > did not continue because I > > > > > > bled every 3 weeks that way and could not get going in the > > > > > morning. I than switched to the > > > > > > transdermal P both cream and gel. That did not make me as > > > tired > > > > > but it seemed to go down > > > > > > the androgen pathway a lot more than the oral P (maybe due > to > > > the > > > > > way the body processes it > > > > > > thru the skin and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme). I just > > > started > > > > > the vaginal P (procheive) and > > > > > > so far no adverse effects and I seem to be sleeping > better. It > > > > > seems to me that the > > > > > > transdermal version was the worst for me. Everything I > have > > > read > > > > > says that the vaginal does > > > > > > not cause insulin resistance and it seems to go right to > the > > > area > > > > > that needs it the most. I did > > > > > > try no P for a number of months and now have some > hyperplasia > > > and > > > > > continued bleeding. > > > > > > I will now be cutting back on my E and will take the vag P > for > > > > the > > > > > next couple of months. I > > > > > > just hope that I can keep my androgens in check. I think I > > > over > > > > > compensated w/extra E due to > > > > > > the adverse reaction of the transdermal P going the > androgen > > > > > route. Trying to keep it all in > > > > > > balance. > > > > > > Karin > > > > > > > > > > Hi Karin and everyone on the site. I am Pam, 35, suffering > > > terribly > > > > > from hormonal hell. I won't bother you with the details > since I > > > see > > > > > my story has already been told here by Atlanta Girl, so nice > of > > > her. > > > > > I found this group while doing a search and just hoping to > share > > > my > > > > > story and learn from others. I saw this thread first thing > about > > > P > > > > > and thought WOW! > > > > > I too have been using P vaginally. I was taking it 12 days > of > > > the > > > > > month and having alot of problems. I noted to Dr. Vliet that > > > each > > > > > month with the P cycle I was getting zits, oily hair, more > > > hairloss > > > > > etc. She suggested that I do use it in a continuous dose on > a > > > daily > > > > > basis (100 mgs). She thought maybe the on and off was > causing > > > to > > > > > many fluctuations in my body. Let me say what usually works > for > > > > > people doesn't for me. After 2.5 years of this hell I am > still > > > > > looking for the answer. BUT since I began this method Feb. > 23 I > > > > have > > > > > to say many of the symptoms have gone away. I sleep like a > baby, > > > no > > > > > zits, oil better, BUT the hair, oh the hair. I must say that > I > > > am > > > > > probably losing an average of 60-70 hairs a day. Which > sounds > > > not > > > > so > > > > > bad BUT when you have been losing it for 2.5 years it is > still > > > > scary > > > > > territory. I do have some new hair and hoping it will keep > > > > > improving. But I am losing hair of every size even the new > ones. > > > I > > > > > am going to try to stay with this method for another month > and > > > see > > > > > how it goes. It has been so frustrating and literally > changed > > > every > > > > > aspect of my life. I use to have more hair than five people, > was > > > > > very outgoing, taught school, but since the c-section from > hell > > > > > everything has been a nightmare. Praying it will all end > soon. > > > Hope > > > > > to share. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A question to those out there that have tried the various > > > > > > progesterone routes. I first started > > > > > > > taking Prometrium when I began BHRT about 5 yrs ago. My Dr > > had > > > > me > > > > > > take it every other day > > > > > > > and I liked that it made me calm and helped me sleep at > > night. > > > > I > > > > > > did not continue because I > > > > > > > bled every 3 weeks that way and could not get going in the > > > > > > morning. I than switched to the > > > > > > > transdermal P both cream and gel. That did not make me as > > > > tired > > > > > > but it seemed to go down > > > > > > > the androgen pathway a lot more than the oral P (maybe due > > to > > > > the > > > > > > way the body processes it > > > > > > > thru the skin and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme). I just > > > > started > > > > > > the vaginal P (procheive) and > > > > > > > so far no adverse effects and I seem to be sleeping > > better. It > > > > > > seems to me that the > > > > > > > transdermal version was the worst for me. Everything I > > have > > > > read > > > > > > says that the vaginal does > > > > > > > not cause insulin resistance and it seems to go right to > > the > > > > area > > > > > > that needs it the most. I did > > > > > > > try no P for a number of months and now have some > > hyperplasia > > > > and > > > > > > continued bleeding. > > > > > > > I will now be cutting back on my E and will take the vag P > > for > > > > > the > > > > > > next couple of months. I > > > > > > > just hope that I can keep my androgens in check. I think I > > > > over > > > > > > compensated w/extra E due to > > > > > > > the adverse reaction of the transdermal P going the > > androgen > > > > > > route. Trying to keep it all in > > > > > > > balance. > > > > > > > Karin > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Karin and everyone on the site. I am Pam, 35, suffering > > > > terribly > > > > > > from hormonal hell. I won't bother you with the details > > since I > > > > see > > > > > > my story has already been told here by Atlanta Girl, so nice > > of > > > > her. > > > > > > I found this group while doing a search and just hoping to > > share > > > > my > > > > > > story and learn from others. I saw this thread first thing > > about > > > > P > > > > > > and thought WOW! > > > > > > I too have been using P vaginally. I was taking it 12 days > > of > > > > the > > > > > > month and having alot of problems. I noted to Dr. Vliet that > > > > each > > > > > > month with the P cycle I was getting zits, oily hair, more > > > > hairloss > > > > > > etc. She suggested that I do use it in a continuous dose on > > a > > > > daily > > > > > > basis (100 mgs). She thought maybe the on and off was > > causing > > > > to > > > > > > many fluctuations in my body. Let me say what usually works > > for > > > > > > people doesn't for me. After 2.5 years of this hell I am > > still > > > > > > looking for the answer. BUT since I began this method Feb. > > 23 I > > > > > have > > > > > > to say many of the symptoms have gone away. I sleep like a > > baby, > > > > no > > > > > > zits, oil better, BUT the hair, oh the hair. I must say that > > I > > > > am > > > > > > probably losing an average of 60-70 hairs a day. Which > > sounds > > > > not > > > > > so > > > > > > bad BUT when you have been losing it for 2.5 years it is > > still > > > > > scary > > > > > > territory. I do have some new hair and hoping it will keep > > > > > > improving. But I am losing hair of every size even the new > > ones. > > > > I > > > > > > am going to try to stay with this method for another month > > and > > > > see > > > > > > how it goes. It has been so frustrating and literally > > changed > > > > every > > > > > > aspect of my life. I use to have more hair than five people, > > was > > > > > > very outgoing, taught school, but since the c-section from > > hell > > > > > > everything has been a nightmare. Praying it will all end > > soon. > > > > Hope > > > > > > to share. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Karin - I have started my crinone gel again last night - it's the 8% - it's a bit too much but I have to stop this bleeding I'm having due to using more E. I was getting hot flashes like crazy so I doubled my dose of E and now I'm bleeding. Using P cream transdermally did NOTHING to help me with stopping the bleeding. In fact, I'm getting to be less and less a fan of transdermals every day so now I'm going to try a Vivelle patch and just use vaginal P for 2 weeks out of the month and see how that goes. What do you mean when you say that P cream goes down the androgen route? > > A question to those out there that have tried the various progesterone routes. I first started > taking Prometrium when I began BHRT about 5 yrs ago. My Dr had me take it every other day > and I liked that it made me calm and helped me sleep at night. I did not continue because I > bled every 3 weeks that way and could not get going in the morning. I than switched to the > transdermal P both cream and gel. That did not make me as tired but it seemed to go down > the androgen pathway a lot more than the oral P (maybe due to the way the body processes it > thru the skin and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme). I just started the vaginal P (procheive) and > so far no adverse effects and I seem to be sleeping better. It seems to me that the > transdermal version was the worst for me. Everything I have read says that the vaginal does > not cause insulin resistance and it seems to go right to the area that needs it the most. I did > try no P for a number of months and now have some hyperplasia and continued bleeding. > I will now be cutting back on my E and will take the vag P for the next couple of months. I > just hope that I can keep my androgens in check. I think I over compensated w/extra E due to > the adverse reaction of the transdermal P going the androgen route. Trying to keep it all in > balance. > Karin > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 The Dr explained that maybe due to the 5alpha reductase enzyme that is in the skin. Karin So Karin, was that Dr. Broyles that told you that??? So maybe if I did my OOTest.orally it wouldn't go to DHT????? hmmmmmm I wonder ??? )) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 It was Dr Shippen (my husband sees him)Karin WOW for real ))...........I'm studing his T book for my hubby right now, ) That's where I saw alot to the info on E blockers, as applied to men. I give him 50mgs. zinc, and has kept his E down, even lowered it. Maybe Shippen would know how to help us too???? How we can get more Test. in us without the DHT effect???? I guess the chin hairs aren't that bad, but be better without them LOL. )) This is so cool, have you seen him??? I saw he recommended Premarin, but know the book I have is old, he must have figured that BHRT is better by now, LOL. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 I took 200 mg oral Prometrium for 10 days/month. It took until the third month for things to start moving. I had a 7 - 8 day period then. I've been at this a year and still have heavy periods after the P phase. I stop all E when the flow starts and stay off of it for 5 - 6 days. I'm now using 50 mg vaginal P for 10 days/month. I'm due for a new ultrasound and have my fingers crossed. I would assume that if you don't bleed it out, you'll have to have a D & C or ablation or something. Val -----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of bigbird3099How long did you bleed for? My Dr. said I could bleed for the next month and it would not be unusual.Karin>> If you had a 14 stripe, it probably would be good to bleed it out. I had a> 13 stripe a year ago and was thankful when it finally started shedding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 Hi Pam, Have you tried adding cytomel(T3) to your thyroid meds. You may be one of those that does not convert T4 to T3 well and you might consider that or trying the natural animal thyroid. I did much better on the 2 thyroid meds than on just synthroid. Karin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A question to those out there that have tried the > various > > > > > > > progesterone routes. I first started > > > > > > > > taking Prometrium when I began BHRT about 5 yrs ago. > My Dr > > > had > > > > > me > > > > > > > take it every other day > > > > > > > > and I liked that it made me calm and helped me sleep > at > > > night. > > > > > I > > > > > > > did not continue because I > > > > > > > > bled every 3 weeks that way and could not get going in > the > > > > > > > morning. I than switched to the > > > > > > > > transdermal P both cream and gel. That did not make me > as > > > > > tired > > > > > > > but it seemed to go down > > > > > > > > the androgen pathway a lot more than the oral P (maybe > due > > > to > > > > > the > > > > > > > way the body processes it > > > > > > > > thru the skin and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme). I > just > > > > > started > > > > > > > the vaginal P (procheive) and > > > > > > > > so far no adverse effects and I seem to be sleeping > > > better. It > > > > > > > seems to me that the > > > > > > > > transdermal version was the worst for me. Everything I > > > have > > > > > read > > > > > > > says that the vaginal does > > > > > > > > not cause insulin resistance and it seems to go right > to > > > the > > > > > area > > > > > > > that needs it the most. I did > > > > > > > > try no P for a number of months and now have some > > > hyperplasia > > > > > and > > > > > > > continued bleeding. > > > > > > > > I will now be cutting back on my E and will take the > vag P > > > for > > > > > > the > > > > > > > next couple of months. I > > > > > > > > just hope that I can keep my androgens in check. I > think I > > > > > over > > > > > > > compensated w/extra E due to > > > > > > > > the adverse reaction of the transdermal P going the > > > androgen > > > > > > > route. Trying to keep it all in > > > > > > > > balance. > > > > > > > > Karin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Karin and everyone on the site. I am Pam, 35, > suffering > > > > > terribly > > > > > > > from hormonal hell. I won't bother you with the details > > > since I > > > > > see > > > > > > > my story has already been told here by Atlanta Girl, so > nice > > > of > > > > > her. > > > > > > > I found this group while doing a search and just hoping > to > > > share > > > > > my > > > > > > > story and learn from others. I saw this thread first > thing > > > about > > > > > P > > > > > > > and thought WOW! > > > > > > > I too have been using P vaginally. I was taking it 12 > days > > > of > > > > > the > > > > > > > month and having alot of problems. I noted to Dr. Vliet > that > > > > > each > > > > > > > month with the P cycle I was getting zits, oily hair, > more > > > > > hairloss > > > > > > > etc. She suggested that I do use it in a continuous dose > on > > > a > > > > > daily > > > > > > > basis (100 mgs). She thought maybe the on and off was > > > causing > > > > > to > > > > > > > many fluctuations in my body. Let me say what usually > works > > > for > > > > > > > people doesn't for me. After 2.5 years of this hell I am > > > still > > > > > > > looking for the answer. BUT since I began this method > Feb. > > > 23 I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > to say many of the symptoms have gone away. I sleep like > a > > > baby, > > > > > no > > > > > > > zits, oil better, BUT the hair, oh the hair. I must say > that > > > I > > > > > am > > > > > > > probably losing an average of 60-70 hairs a day. Which > > > sounds > > > > > not > > > > > > so > > > > > > > bad BUT when you have been losing it for 2.5 years it is > > > still > > > > > > scary > > > > > > > territory. I do have some new hair and hoping it will > keep > > > > > > > improving. But I am losing hair of every size even the > new > > > ones. > > > > > I > > > > > > > am going to try to stay with this method for another > month > > > and > > > > > see > > > > > > > how it goes. It has been so frustrating and literally > > > changed > > > > > every > > > > > > > aspect of my life. I use to have more hair than five > people, > > > was > > > > > > > very outgoing, taught school, but since the c-section > from > > > hell > > > > > > > everything has been a nightmare. Praying it will all end > > > soon. > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > to share. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 , I tried using the 4% gel P but it didn't stop the bleeding. I am now trying prometrium 100mg and so far still bleeding. I meant the P transdermal seems to go down the androgen pathway (male hormone) the most than either oral or the vaginal. The Dr explained that maybe due to the 5alpha reductase enzyme that is in the skin. Karin > > > > A question to those out there that have tried the various > progesterone routes. I first started > > taking Prometrium when I began BHRT about 5 yrs ago. My Dr had me > take it every other day > > and I liked that it made me calm and helped me sleep at night. I > did not continue because I > > bled every 3 weeks that way and could not get going in the > morning. I than switched to the > > transdermal P both cream and gel. That did not make me as tired > but it seemed to go down > > the androgen pathway a lot more than the oral P (maybe due to the > way the body processes it > > thru the skin and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme). I just started > the vaginal P (procheive) and > > so far no adverse effects and I seem to be sleeping better. It > seems to me that the > > transdermal version was the worst for me. Everything I have read > says that the vaginal does > > not cause insulin resistance and it seems to go right to the area > that needs it the most. I did > > try no P for a number of months and now have some hyperplasia and > continued bleeding. > > I will now be cutting back on my E and will take the vag P for the > next couple of months. I > > just hope that I can keep my androgens in check. I think I over > compensated w/extra E due to > > the adverse reaction of the transdermal P going the androgen > route. Trying to keep it all in > > balance. > > Karin > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 It was Dr Shippen (my husband sees him) Karin > > > In a message dated 3/16/2006 3:12:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, > bigbird3099@... writes: > > The Dr > explained that maybe due to the 5alpha reductase enzyme that is in the skin. > Karin > > > > So Karin, was that Dr. Broyles that told you that??? So maybe if I did my > OOTest.orally it wouldn't go to DHT????? hmmmmmm I wonder ??? )) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A question to those out there that have tried the > > various > > > > > > > > progesterone routes. I first started > > > > > > > > > taking Prometrium when I began BHRT about 5 yrs ago. > > My Dr > > > > had > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > take it every other day > > > > > > > > > and I liked that it made me calm and helped me sleep > > at > > > > night. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > did not continue because I > > > > > > > > > bled every 3 weeks that way and could not get going in > > the > > > > > > > > morning. I than switched to the > > > > > > > > > transdermal P both cream and gel. That did not make me > > as > > > > > > tired > > > > > > > > but it seemed to go down > > > > > > > > > the androgen pathway a lot more than the oral P (maybe > > due > > > > to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > way the body processes it > > > > > > > > > thru the skin and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme). I > > just > > > > > > started > > > > > > > > the vaginal P (procheive) and > > > > > > > > > so far no adverse effects and I seem to be sleeping > > > > better. It > > > > > > > > seems to me that the > > > > > > > > > transdermal version was the worst for me. Everything I > > > > have > > > > > > read > > > > > > > > says that the vaginal does > > > > > > > > > not cause insulin resistance and it seems to go right > > to > > > > the > > > > > > area > > > > > > > > that needs it the most. I did > > > > > > > > > try no P for a number of months and now have some > > > > hyperplasia > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > continued bleeding. > > > > > > > > > I will now be cutting back on my E and will take the > > vag P > > > > for > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > next couple of months. I > > > > > > > > > just hope that I can keep my androgens in check. I > > think I > > > > > > over > > > > > > > > compensated w/extra E due to > > > > > > > > > the adverse reaction of the transdermal P going the > > > > androgen > > > > > > > > route. Trying to keep it all in > > > > > > > > > balance. > > > > > > > > > Karin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Karin and everyone on the site. I am Pam, 35, > > suffering > > > > > > terribly > > > > > > > > from hormonal hell. I won't bother you with the details > > > > since I > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > my story has already been told here by Atlanta Girl, so > > nice > > > > of > > > > > > her. > > > > > > > > I found this group while doing a search and just hoping > > to > > > > share > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > story and learn from others. I saw this thread first > > thing > > > > about > > > > > > P > > > > > > > > and thought WOW! > > > > > > > > I too have been using P vaginally. I was taking it 12 > > days > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > month and having alot of problems. I noted to Dr. Vliet > > that > > > > > > each > > > > > > > > month with the P cycle I was getting zits, oily hair, > > more > > > > > > hairloss > > > > > > > > etc. She suggested that I do use it in a continuous dose > > on > > > > a > > > > > > daily > > > > > > > > basis (100 mgs). She thought maybe the on and off was > > > > causing > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > many fluctuations in my body. Let me say what usually > > works > > > > for > > > > > > > > people doesn't for me. After 2.5 years of this hell I am > > > > still > > > > > > > > looking for the answer. BUT since I began this method > > Feb. > > > > 23 I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > to say many of the symptoms have gone away. I sleep like > > a > > > > baby, > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > zits, oil better, BUT the hair, oh the hair. I must say > > that > > > > I > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > probably losing an average of 60-70 hairs a day. Which > > > > sounds > > > > > > not > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > bad BUT when you have been losing it for 2.5 years it is > > > > still > > > > > > > scary > > > > > > > > territory. I do have some new hair and hoping it will > > keep > > > > > > > > improving. But I am losing hair of every size even the > > new > > > > ones. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > am going to try to stay with this method for another > > month > > > > and > > > > > > see > > > > > > > > how it goes. It has been so frustrating and literally > > > > changed > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > aspect of my life. I use to have more hair than five > > people, > > > > was > > > > > > > > very outgoing, taught school, but since the c- section > > from > > > > hell > > > > > > > > everything has been a nightmare. Praying it will all end > > > > soon. > > > > > > Hope > > > > > > > > to share. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 yes I see him once a year. And his book is not new but I think he is writing a new one. > > > In a message dated 3/16/2006 4:04:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, > bigbird3099@... writes: > > It was Dr Shippen (my husband sees him) > Karin > > > > > WOW for real ))...........I'm studing his T book for my hubby right now, > ) That's where I saw alot to the info on E blockers, as applied to men. I > give him 50mgs. zinc, and has kept his E down, even lowered it. Maybe Shippen > would know how to help us too???? How we can get more Test. in us without the > DHT effect???? I guess the chin hairs aren't that bad, but be better without > them LOL. )) This is so cool, have you seen him??? I saw he recommended > Premarin, but know the book I have is old, he must have figured that BHRT is > better by now, LOL. ) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 yes I see him once a year. And his book is not new but I think he is writing a new one. > > > In a message dated 3/16/2006 4:04:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, > bigbird3099@... writes: > > It was Dr Shippen (my husband sees him) > Karin > > > > > WOW for real ))...........I'm studing his T book for my hubby right now, > ) That's where I saw alot to the info on E blockers, as applied to men. I > give him 50mgs. zinc, and has kept his E down, even lowered it. Maybe Shippen > would know how to help us too???? How we can get more Test. in us without the > DHT effect???? I guess the chin hairs aren't that bad, but be better without > them LOL. )) This is so cool, have you seen him??? I saw he recommended > Premarin, but know the book I have is old, he must have figured that BHRT is > better by now, LOL. ) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 And so what happens - do you get chin hairs? As for your bleeding, it's going to take awhile to stop. If you use the 8% crinone, it's 90 mgs and it's not going to stop overnight. You need to shed that lining! The prometrium should help though. > > > > > > A question to those out there that have tried the various > > progesterone routes. I first started > > > taking Prometrium when I began BHRT about 5 yrs ago. My Dr had me > > take it every other day > > > and I liked that it made me calm and helped me sleep at night. I > > did not continue because I > > > bled every 3 weeks that way and could not get going in the > > morning. I than switched to the > > > transdermal P both cream and gel. That did not make me as tired > > but it seemed to go down > > > the androgen pathway a lot more than the oral P (maybe due to the > > way the body processes it > > > thru the skin and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme). I just started > > the vaginal P (procheive) and > > > so far no adverse effects and I seem to be sleeping better. It > > seems to me that the > > > transdermal version was the worst for me. Everything I have read > > says that the vaginal does > > > not cause insulin resistance and it seems to go right to the area > > that needs it the most. I did > > > try no P for a number of months and now have some hyperplasia and > > continued bleeding. > > > I will now be cutting back on my E and will take the vag P for the > > next couple of months. I > > > just hope that I can keep my androgens in check. I think I over > > compensated w/extra E due to > > > the adverse reaction of the transdermal P going the androgen > > route. Trying to keep it all in > > > balance. > > > Karin > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Finally the bleeding has slowed down. I took the P vaginal in the morning and Prometrium at night and I have also been taking about 4 Advil because I did read on some web sites that for DUB (disordered uterine bleeding) that it can reduce bleeding by 30-50% it acts as an anti inflamatory. Karin > > > > > > > > A question to those out there that have tried the various > > > progesterone routes. I first started > > > > taking Prometrium when I began BHRT about 5 yrs ago. My Dr had > me > > > take it every other day > > > > and I liked that it made me calm and helped me sleep at night. > I > > > did not continue because I > > > > bled every 3 weeks that way and could not get going in the > > > morning. I than switched to the > > > > transdermal P both cream and gel. That did not make me as > tired > > > but it seemed to go down > > > > the androgen pathway a lot more than the oral P (maybe due to > the > > > way the body processes it > > > > thru the skin and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme). I just > started > > > the vaginal P (procheive) and > > > > so far no adverse effects and I seem to be sleeping better. It > > > seems to me that the > > > > transdermal version was the worst for me. Everything I have > read > > > says that the vaginal does > > > > not cause insulin resistance and it seems to go right to the > area > > > that needs it the most. I did > > > > try no P for a number of months and now have some hyperplasia > and > > > continued bleeding. > > > > I will now be cutting back on my E and will take the vag P for > the > > > next couple of months. I > > > > just hope that I can keep my androgens in check. I think I > over > > > compensated w/extra E due to > > > > the adverse reaction of the transdermal P going the androgen > > > route. Trying to keep it all in > > > > balance. > > > > Karin > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2006 Report Share Posted March 18, 2006 Hi Karin, trying to read up on posts and find your doc saying: " ...alpha reductase (making too much DHT from exogenous transdermal P) i s i n your s k i n , i.e. we who have trouble with DHT have it naturally in our skin ? This is the first time I see s.o. mentions that in connection to the much quoted alpha reductase " culprit " . Did I understand that correctly ? Love, Charlotte ------------------------------ Re: Progesterone Routes > , > I tried using the 4% gel P but it didn't stop the bleeding. I am now > trying prometrium > 100mg and so far still bleeding. I meant the P transdermal seems to go > down the > androgen pathway (male hormone) the most than either oral or the vaginal. > The Dr > explained that maybe due to the 5alpha reductase enzyme that is in the > skin. > Karin > > > > > > >> > >> > A question to those out there that have tried the various >> progesterone routes. I first started >> > taking Prometrium when I began BHRT about 5 yrs ago. My Dr had me >> take it every other day >> > and I liked that it made me calm and helped me sleep at night. I >> did not continue because I >> > bled every 3 weeks that way and could not get going in the >> morning. I than switched to the >> > transdermal P both cream and gel. That did not make me as tired >> but it seemed to go down >> > the androgen pathway a lot more than the oral P (maybe due to the >> way the body processes it >> > thru the skin and the 5 alpha reductase enzyme). I just started >> the vaginal P (procheive) and >> > so far no adverse effects and I seem to be sleeping better. It >> seems to me that the >> > transdermal version was the worst for me. Everything I have read >> says that the vaginal does >> > not cause insulin resistance and it seems to go right to the area >> that needs it the most. I did >> > try no P for a number of months and now have some hyperplasia and >> continued bleeding. >> > I will now be cutting back on my E and will take the vag P for the >> next couple of months. I >> > just hope that I can keep my androgens in check. I think I over >> compensated w/extra E due to >> > the adverse reaction of the transdermal P going the androgen >> route. Trying to keep it all in >> > balance. >> > Karin >> > >> > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as > medical advice.** > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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