Re: secondary adrenal issues...Chris, others?

[Guest guest]

>>Also, can someone explain the 'healing' process when it's secondary.

In theory my

adrenals are fine but when my body calls out for more ACTH nothing

happens. My temps

drop, I get tired, rage, depression, etc... which takes forever to

recover.<,

OK in secondary adrenal Insufficiency, it depends on what it is

secondary to. Low Thyroid can cause low adrenal function as can

pituitary problems. Secondary to hypothyroidism is what most of us are

having to deal with. The crisis here is not when you body calls out for

more ACTH it is when the ACTH stimulates the adrenals for Cortisol and

get none that the problems start. So unless you have had an ACTH Stim

test that showed no response you are here with the rest of us! LOL Like

it or not! Then when your temps drop it is caused by lack of cortisol to

get thyroid intothe cells to create metabolism and heat, then you get

tired, then the rage sets in cause you haven't the energy to handle the

tired but feel frustration at the need to keep going, like you have

things you NEED to do but can't physically do them. Rage is common and

perfectly normal as you have no way to handle it with low cortisol.

Taking forever to recover is just your tired adrenals being whipped to

produce more cortisol when they are empty. So I hope this explanation

helps a little. It sounds like you need more cortisol or stronger

adrenal meds.

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[Guest guest]

Val, your answer helped a lot. It explained me to a T. The biggest thing for

me is that it

always sneaks up on me - an adrenal crisis. I don't see it coming until it's

WAY WAY WAY

to late. Some people get the shakes or something straight away - mine is a more

slow

and painful death...lol. Delayed reaction, delayed recovery. errrr

By secondary I mean that I have pituitary ACTH problems (but not pituitary

hypoT

problems)...I've had both ITT and CRH stim (both more advanced) but not ACTH

stim

(more basic). The ITT I failed with flying colours, the CRH I did better on - I

studied for

that test...lol.

I just want to double check to see if the signs/symptoms tend to be different

for

hypopituitary causes of adrenal fatigue. I think I just don't see the signals

like you and

others seem to do so easily so, therefore, I'm constantly crashing.

BTW - when you say 'lack of cortisol to get thyroid into the cells' - do you

mean FT3 or

FT4 or both?

I did try stronger adrenal meds - I didn't feel any different so I went back to

HC - trying to

stay as natural as possible. I've also tried florinef (or whatever that stuff

is called) - didn't

help either.

My doc once said I need to take HC for every slightest change - if I have to run

to catch a

train or whatever, but because of my brain fog I don't remember to do

this...duh!!!

In the case of primary adrenal fatigue - if someone takes HC for a while this

can often give

the adrenals a chance to rest and eventually they start working on their own.

Any chance

this might happen with me?

Robin

>

> >>Also, can someone explain the 'healing' process when it's secondary.

> In theory my

> adrenals are fine but when my body calls out for more ACTH nothing

> happens. My temps

> drop, I get tired, rage, depression, etc... which takes forever to

> recover.<,

>

> OK in secondary adrenal Insufficiency, it depends on what it is

> secondary to. Low Thyroid can cause low adrenal function as can

> pituitary problems. Secondary to hypothyroidism is what most of us are

> having to deal with. The crisis here is not when you body calls out for

> more ACTH it is when the ACTH stimulates the adrenals for Cortisol and

> get none that the problems start. So unless you have had an ACTH Stim

> test that showed no response you are here with the rest of us! LOL Like

> it or not! Then when your temps drop it is caused by lack of cortisol to

> get thyroid intothe cells to create metabolism and heat, then you get

> tired, then the rage sets in cause you haven't the energy to handle the

> tired but feel frustration at the need to keep going, like you have

> things you NEED to do but can't physically do them. Rage is common and

> perfectly normal as you have no way to handle it with low cortisol.

> Taking forever to recover is just your tired adrenals being whipped to

> produce more cortisol when they are empty. So I hope this explanation

> helps a little. It sounds like you need more cortisol or stronger

> adrenal meds.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with . It's likely HC is not strong enough for you if

doubling the dose you don't recover.

Secondaries don't experiance adrenal crisis as severely as primaries

usually. I have not heard of anyone with secondary dying.

Acute adrenal crisis symptoms and signs

Gastrointestinal symptoms such as nausea and vomiting (vomiting or

abdominal pain is a signal that an adrenal

crisis might occur)

Other symptoms of adrenal crisis

(no one has every symptom)

headache

profound weakness

fatigue

slow, sluggish, lethargic movement

low blood pressure (falls when standing from a horizontal)

dehydration

high fever

shaking chills

confusion or coma

darkening of the skin (see skin, abnormally dark or light)

rapid heart rate

joint pain

abdominal pain

unintentional weight loss

rapid respiratory rate (see tachypnea)

unusual and excessive sweating on face and/or palms

skin rash or lesion may be present

flank pain

loss of appetite

Symptoms of primary adrenal insufficiency (secondary shares most of

these symptoms) — Most patients with

primary insufficiency experience fatigue, generalized weakness, loss

of appetite and weight loss.

Other symptoms can include (no one has all the symptoms)

Darkening of the skin (happens in 's - if you don't have

darkening you can still have a lessor degree

of adrenal insufficiency - and sometimes some tanning happens in

secondary adrenal insufficiency)

Hypotension (low blood pressure with lightheadedness after standing up)

need for excessive amounts of sleep

chronic, worsening fatigue

Muscle and joint pain

muscle weakness

back pain

loss of appetite

lowered resistance to infection

Salt cravings

low stamina

weight loss

decreased tolerance to cold and subnormal body temperature

poor circulation

low blood sugar level (hypoglycemia)

allergies

apathy or depression

low self-esteem due to low energy output

low levels of gastric hydrochloric acid

tendency to constipation

21-OH adrenal antibodies ('s).

>

> I hoping anyone/everyone out there with secondary adrenal

insufficiency could give me

> some help (hypoT is primary though). Everytime I have, what I think

is an adrenal crisis, I

> don't realize it because my symptoms are far from typical. I was

wondering if those of you

> with secondary adrenal insufficiency could give me a run down on

symptoms in this area.

>

> The only thing I know is that someone once said - 'with primary

adrenal issues, a crisis

> causes immediate consequences but when it's a secondary,the

consequences are slower in

> coming'. Does the same apply with recovery - increasing my HC does

not bring quick

> results, it usually takes several days or weeks.

>

> Also, can someone explain the 'healing' process when it's secondary.

In theory my

> adrenals are fine but when my body calls out for more ACTH nothing

happens. My temps

> drop, I get tired, rage, depression, etc... which takes forever to

recover.

>

> I've been blaming my last 'crash' on my low ferritin. I know

ferritin can stop the temps

> from rising but can it cause the temps to take a sudden plunge -

sounds like adrenals

> right? But if it's my adrenals why am I not shaking, sick to my

stomach,etc...?

>

> In other words almost nothing I am going though matches up with what

people talk about

> when their adrenals crash. Is that because when it's secondary the

process is so different?

>

> Robin

>

[Guest guest]

Chris

>

> I agree with . It's likely HC is not strong enough for you if

> doubling the dose you don't recover.

Could it also be that I don't take the HC in time - therefore I need more than a

simple 1

extra hit of HC to recover? I let my temps drop a long ways before I realize

whats

happening

>

> Secondaries don't experiance adrenal crisis as severely as primaries

> usually. I have not heard of anyone with secondary dying.

>

I'm not worried about dying but I think you hit the nail on the head about it

not being as

severe. That's probably why I don't realize it's happening until it's too late

and I need lots

of time to recover. I suppose if i responded a.s.a.p. with extra HC that would

change

things. Everything is such a blur.

Robin

[Guest guest]

See my previous post. I don't know what to suggest to you except pay

close attention to what happens to you just before you enter adrenal

crisis. Do you get diarrhea, weak, dizzy or absent minded first?

If you did good on the CRH stim, then it may be your hypothalamus, not

your pituitary that is the cause of your adrenal insufficiency.

I can't comment about your experiances with other steroids to well

without seeing your tests, (which maybe I've seen already, but post

again if you like) and knowing your doses. There is a chance,(about

1%) that if prednisone didn't help, you might actually need

dexamethasone. Most docs won't prescribe it no matter what. Probably

out of every 3 people that need it, only one actually is precribed dex.

" My doc once said I need to take HC for every slightest change - if I

have to run to catch a train or whatever, but because of my brain fog

I don't remember to do this...duh!!! "

No, you should have to take extra HC for every slightest change. If

you do, then it isn't strong enough for you.

I can't comment to well on your florinef experiance without seeing

tests (aldosterone, renin, sodium and potassium from CBC). If you

weren't taking salt with the florinef, the florinef can't do it's job.

Many docs think florinef is all your need. I've heard of docs saying

florinef is salt, it's not. Florinef is one half of the treatment,

salt the other half.

" In the case of primary adrenal fatigue - if someone takes HC for a

while this can often give

> the adrenals a chance to rest and eventually they start working on

their own. Any chance this might happen with me? "

Not likely. You can use HC to rest your adrenals, but your adrenals

won't ever work without the ACTH signal reaching them.

Chris

> >

> > >>Also, can someone explain the 'healing' process when it's

secondary.

> > In theory my

> > adrenals are fine but when my body calls out for more ACTH nothing

> > happens. My temps

> > drop, I get tired, rage, depression, etc... which takes forever to

> > recover.<,

> >

> > OK in secondary adrenal Insufficiency, it depends on what it is

> > secondary to. Low Thyroid can cause low adrenal function as can

> > pituitary problems. Secondary to hypothyroidism is what most of us

are

> > having to deal with. The crisis here is not when you body calls

out for

> > more ACTH it is when the ACTH stimulates the adrenals for Cortisol

and

> > get none that the problems start. So unless you have had an ACTH Stim

> > test that showed no response you are here with the rest of us! LOL

Like

> > it or not! Then when your temps drop it is caused by lack of

cortisol to

> > get thyroid intothe cells to create metabolism and heat, then you get

> > tired, then the rage sets in cause you haven't the energy to

handle the

> > tired but feel frustration at the need to keep going, like you have

> > things you NEED to do but can't physically do them. Rage is common

and

> > perfectly normal as you have no way to handle it with low cortisol.

> > Taking forever to recover is just your tired adrenals being

whipped to

> > produce more cortisol when they are empty. So I hope this explanation

> > helps a little. It sounds like you need more cortisol or stronger

> > adrenal meds.

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> > My Ebay Jewelry Store

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> > The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Even if you don't do it in time, doubling the dose should put you back

within 24 hours. If you have to do that a lot you probably need to

try Medrol. If by extra hit, you mean you take 5 or 10 mg extra, you

probably see now that isn't enough, so do try doubling.

How much HC do you take to begin with and how do you do the stress

dose increase?

Chris

>

> Chris

> >

> > I agree with . It's likely HC is not strong enough for you if

> > doubling the dose you don't recover.

>

> Could it also be that I don't take the HC in time - therefore I need

more than a simple 1

> extra hit of HC to recover? I let my temps drop a long ways before

I realize whats

> happening

>

> >

> > Secondaries don't experiance adrenal crisis as severely as primaries

> > usually. I have not heard of anyone with secondary dying.

> >

>

>

> I'm not worried about dying but I think you hit the nail on the head

about it not being as

> severe. That's probably why I don't realize it's happening until

it's too late and I need lots

> of time to recover. I suppose if i responded a.s.a.p. with extra HC

that would change

> things. Everything is such a blur.

>

> Robin

>

[Guest guest]

I was up to 35mg but my holistic healer talked me into stopping completely

(slowly

though). I think that was a BIG mistake. So now I'm back up to 25mg. Do you

think I

should go all the way to 35mg again? I've been trying to avoid this in hopes

that when my

armour is 100% I can stop my HC. The more I take the less likely that is.

How do I stress dose increase - usually about 3 days too late by adding an extra

10 mg.

Yeah, you're right - not enough!!! I'll try going double today - or the next 3

days - to see

if I get back on track.

Some day, when I'm old and grey all of this will finally sink in. I'm just in

denial. I don't

want to take all these different meds. I just don't get the shakes, fever, sick

to my

stomach etc... so it just doesn't register. Maybe you and Val can come visit

and whack me

up side the head...probably several times...LOL.

Does anybody have an old copy of 'safe use of HC' they can sell for cheap?

Maybe more

education would help me.

Robin

> >

> > Chris

> > >

> > > I agree with . It's likely HC is not strong enough for you if

> > > doubling the dose you don't recover.

> >

> > Could it also be that I don't take the HC in time - therefore I need

> more than a simple 1

> > extra hit of HC to recover? I let my temps drop a long ways before

> I realize whats

> > happening

> >

> > >

> > > Secondaries don't experiance adrenal crisis as severely as primaries

> > > usually. I have not heard of anyone with secondary dying.

> > >

> >

> >

> > I'm not worried about dying but I think you hit the nail on the head

> about it not being as

> > severe. That's probably why I don't realize it's happening until

> it's too late and I need lots

> > of time to recover. I suppose if i responded a.s.a.p. with extra HC

> that would change

> > things. Everything is such a blur.

> >

> > Robin

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'll post my various stim tests later on today - my dd is being neglected so I

need to spend

time with her.

I didn't pass my CRH stim test - it was just not as bad as my ITT.

No - I've never noticed signs before an adrenal crisis. I just start to obsess

about whatever

is pissing me off until it escalates and temps drop.

Robin

> > >

> > > >>Also, can someone explain the 'healing' process when it's

> secondary.

> > > In theory my

> > > adrenals are fine but when my body calls out for more ACTH nothing

> > > happens. My temps

> > > drop, I get tired, rage, depression, etc... which takes forever to

> > > recover.<,

> > >

> > > OK in secondary adrenal Insufficiency, it depends on what it is

> > > secondary to. Low Thyroid can cause low adrenal function as can

> > > pituitary problems. Secondary to hypothyroidism is what most of us

> are

> > > having to deal with. The crisis here is not when you body calls

> out for

> > > more ACTH it is when the ACTH stimulates the adrenals for Cortisol

> and

> > > get none that the problems start. So unless you have had an ACTH Stim

> > > test that showed no response you are here with the rest of us! LOL

> Like

> > > it or not! Then when your temps drop it is caused by lack of

> cortisol to

> > > get thyroid intothe cells to create metabolism and heat, then you get

> > > tired, then the rage sets in cause you haven't the energy to

> handle the

> > > tired but feel frustration at the need to keep going, like you have

> > > things you NEED to do but can't physically do them. Rage is common

> and

> > > perfectly normal as you have no way to handle it with low cortisol.

> > > Taking forever to recover is just your tired adrenals being

> whipped to

> > > produce more cortisol when they are empty. So I hope this explanation

> > > helps a little. It sounds like you need more cortisol or stronger

> > > adrenal meds.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

> > > My Ebay Jewelry Store

> http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> > > The BEST thyroid website! http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

> > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

EXCELLENT explanation

Lynda C

Re: secondary adrenal issues... others?

OK in secondary adrenal Insufficiency, it depends on what it is secondary to. Low Thyroid can cause low adrenal function as can pituitary problems. Secondary to hypothyroidism is what most of us are having to deal with. The crisis here is not when you body calls out for more ACTH it is when the ACTH stimulates the adrenals for Cortisol and get none that the problems start. So unless you have had an ACTH Stim test that showed no response you are here with the rest of us! LOL Like it or not! Then when your temps drop it is caused by lack of cortisol to get thyroid intothe cells to create metabolism and heat, then you get tired, then the rage sets in cause you haven't the energy to handle the tired but feel frustration at the need to keep going, like you have things you NEED to do but can't physically do them. Rage is common and perfectly normal as you have no way to handle it with low cortisol. Taking forever to recover is just your tired adrenals being whipped to produce more cortisol when they are empty. So I hope this explanation helps a little. It sounds like you need more cortisol or stronger adrenal meds.-- Artistic Grooming * Hurricane, WV

[Guest guest]

Deborah,

You are probably right but I don't want you to be right...sigh.

I want to get back to work some day and I'm afraid my adrenals won't allow it.

I loved my

job - designing textiles for the automotive industry - but I had to do lots of

presentations

to CEO types - VERY stressful, but fun, plus lots of deadlines. It was taken

away faster

than a blink of the eye - or so it felt. It just doesn't seem like the kind of

job that works

when I have to pop HC all day. bigger sigh

Robin

>

> > I was up to 35mg but my holistic healer talked me into stopping

> > completely (slowly

> > though). I think that was a BIG mistake. So now I'm back up to 25mg.

> > Do you think I

> > should go all the way to 35mg again? I've been trying to avoid this

> > in hopes that when my

> > armour is 100% I can stop my HC. The more I take the less likely that

> > is.

>

[Guest guest]

> Acute adrenal crisis symptoms and signs

>

> Gastrointestinal symptoms such as nausea and vomiting (vomiting or

> abdominal pain is a signal that an adrenal

> crisis might occur)

When I read this statement I just had to ask a question: I have

always had a problem with my stomach (never been diagnosed) that I

have always called a nervous stomach, I don't get nausea but my

stomach feels like it is twisting and really hurts. Usually doesn't

happen unless I have been under a lot of stress, but it happened

just the other day when I didn't even feel stressed or feel like I

had been under a lot of stress. Just wondering if anyone knows if

this could be a form of adrenal crisis or a symptom of adrenal

fatigue?

, to give you an idea of how bad it gets, since you work with

dogs, it probably feels like the problem that large breed dogs have

where there stomach twists, but I am sure my stomach doesn't do the

twisting part although it sure feels like it when the pain gets real

bad.

PS

I sent Canary Club tests yesterday (2/17), it will be arriving

Monday morning, so I am hoping for some good news later next week.

[Guest guest]

,

Since I have never had ulcers, the pain isn't from that, when it

happened years ago, it was from a stress related situation. I had

broken up with a boyfriend who wanted to get married and kept

harrassing me, everytime after that it was from some form of stress.

Usually it will travel from the stomach to the intestines, similar

to what I assume IBS would feel like. I have used aloe vera juice in

the past, but haven't had any problems for a long time so didn't

even think about it until it hit again the other day. I was just

wondering if the symptoms might be connected in some way, but this

is something I have had a problem with for years.

It is stress related, but I am sure it isn't an ulcer. I suppose

with everything going on right now with the docs and all that could

be what initiated the attack.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

---

Hi Robin

I am just recovering from another adrenal crash, so I know how you

feel. I am concluding that Isocort is not strong enough for me and

my pathetic thyroid (which is getting worse), so for the moment I am

pretty much housebound until my next appt with the Hertoghe doctor,

which could be four weeks away. You are not alone - I have just

given up all the work I had lined up for the next few months, as I

know a bit of stress will cause me to crash, and I'm trying to keep

going for my family. It might help to know that someone not so far

away is in the same situation...

Try to have a good day.

Nicola

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Robin Hill-

Young " wrote:

>

> Deborah,

> You are probably right but I don't want you to be right...sigh.

>

> I want to get back to work some day and I'm afraid my adrenals

won't allow it. I loved my

> job - designing textiles for the automotive industry - but I had to

do lots of presentations

> to CEO types - VERY stressful, but fun, plus lots of deadlines. It

was taken away faster

> than a blink of the eye - or so it felt. It just doesn't seem like

the kind of job that works

> when I have to pop HC all day. bigger sigh

>

> Robin

>

>

> >

> > > I was up to 35mg but my holistic healer talked me into stopping

> > > completely (slowly

> > > though). I think that was a BIG mistake. So now I'm back up

to 25mg.

> > > Do you think I

> > > should go all the way to 35mg again? I've been trying to avoid

this

> > > in hopes that when my

> > > armour is 100% I can stop my HC. The more I take the less

likely that

> > > is.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Deborah,

Thanks, that was sweet - I want to fly.

Robin

>

> > Deborah,

> > You are probably right but I don't want you to be right...sigh.

> >

> > I want to get back to work some day and I'm afraid my adrenals won't

> > allow it. I loved my

> > job - designing textiles for the automotive industry - but I had to do

> > lots of presentations

> > to CEO types - VERY stressful, but fun, plus lots of deadlines. It

> > was taken away faster

> > than a blink of the eye - or so it felt. It just doesn't seem like

> > the kind of job that works

> > when I have to pop HC all day. bigger sigh

>

[Guest guest]

Nicola, I was wondering about you. It's hard to believe you need to wait 4

weeks. Have

you tried calling ahead for an earlier appointment? BTW - what exactly is

isocort? Not an

actual hormone like HC I'm assuming. What does a crash feel like for you?

Housebound - not much fun. I know all to well what thats all about. The TV is

often my

best friend.

For me having the crash is hard but the bigger problems is not realizing that

that is what

is happening. I always blame something else...live and learn. I've taken

quite a few HC

today - hope I can sleep tonight.

One of these day - when we are both relative healthy we should meet up. Do we

meet in

Belgium and chomp on chocolate on meet in Germany and binge on beer?

Decisions decisions decisions.

Robin

> > >

> > > > I was up to 35mg but my holistic healer talked me into stopping

> > > > completely (slowly

> > > > though). I think that was a BIG mistake. So now I'm back up

> to 25mg.

> > > > Do you think I

> > > > should go all the way to 35mg again? I've been trying to avoid

> this

> > > > in hopes that when my

> > > > armour is 100% I can stop my HC. The more I take the less

> likely that

> > > > is.

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I shall phone on Monday and BEG for an earlier appointment. I'm

about to run out of Isocort, and unless the stuff I ordered a week

ago arrives soon, I shall be cortisol-less, and crashing all over the

place. I'm hoping they might take pity on me and at least give me a

prescription for HC before the appointment. Isocort is from sheep's

adrenal cortex (or something) and is apparently weaker than HC. It

sure isn't strong enough for me. Had two crashes in the last week -

once from walking around a shop for about half an hour, and another

from an infection in my finger which suddenly blew up and prompted an

immune response. I get extremely fatigued, hypoglycaemic, a pounding

headache, very shaky, and I get a funny internal twitch where the

adrenals are, as if they're trying to respond but failing miserably.

I do actually wonder whether they're diseased. When I feel that funny

twitch, I know I'm going to have to be in bed for 2 days and will

feel terrible. I try and play catch up with Isocort, and my other

adrenal glandulars, but can't say whether it's successful. I always

blame myself for the crash, thinking 'I shouldn't have done that'

or 'I should have eaten something earlier' etc, but what I can

actually do now is getting less and less, so it's like trying to live

in a room where the walls are closing in.

Know what you mean about being housebound. Thank goodness for the

internet.

I gave up alcohol over a year ago when all this started, so I have

developed a taste for Leonidas chocolates. Belgian beer is good too

you know ...

One day we'll get better. Take care

Nicola

- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Robin Hill-

Young " wrote:

>

> Nicola, I was wondering about you. It's hard to believe you need

to wait 4 weeks. Have

> you tried calling ahead for an earlier appointment? BTW - what

exactly is isocort? Not an

> actual hormone like HC I'm assuming. What does a crash feel like

for you?

>

> Housebound - not much fun. I know all to well what thats all

about. The TV is often my

> best friend.

>

>

> For me having the crash is hard but the bigger problems is not

realizing that that is what

> is happening. I always blame something else...live and learn.

I've taken quite a few HC

> today - hope I can sleep tonight.

>

> One of these day - when we are both relative healthy we should meet

up. Do we meet in

> Belgium and chomp on chocolate on meet in Germany and binge on beer?

>

> Decisions decisions decisions.

> Robin

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > I was up to 35mg but my holistic healer talked me into

stopping

> > > > > completely (slowly

> > > > > though). I think that was a BIG mistake. So now I'm back

up

> > to 25mg.

> > > > > Do you think I

> > > > > should go all the way to 35mg again? I've been trying to

avoid

> > this

> > > > > in hopes that when my

> > > > > armour is 100% I can stop my HC. The more I take the less

> > likely that

> > > > > is.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hang in there Nicola. I don't know if this will do much for you but for me in

the past when

i've been ont of meds I take mega doses of Vit c (until bowel tolerance) and

somehow, I

make it through. But I'll keep my fingers crossed for you on Monday. I would

think that

Hertoghe would understand and at least send a rx.

I think I have this misunderstanding about what an adreanl crash is like so I'm

curious

about other people and their symptoms. Although I think Val gave a perfect

explanation

earlier to me.

Hang in there.

Robin

> > > > >

> > > > > > I was up to 35mg but my holistic healer talked me into

> stopping

> > > > > > completely (slowly

> > > > > > though). I think that was a BIG mistake. So now I'm back

> up

> > > to 25mg.

> > > > > > Do you think I

> > > > > > should go all the way to 35mg again? I've been trying to

> avoid

> > > this

> > > > > > in hopes that when my

> > > > > > armour is 100% I can stop my HC. The more I take the less

> > > likely that

> > > > > > is.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Deborah, this was a very helpful explanation for me. I know others

have tried to tell me similar things, and I've had trouble getting

it. This helps me so much, with my comfort level with taking HC and

all.

Thanks,

Amy

>

> >

> I truly understand the strong desire to be healthy without taking

meds

> every day, but that just doesn't sound like it's going to happen.

It's

> not like you're taking some foreign substance (e.g.

antidepressant) to

> treat a symptom (e.g. depression)--you are replacing hormones that

your

> body NEEDS and would produce if it possibly could. There is such

a huge

> difference that I can't even think of something to compare it to--

though

> that might be because I'm not entirely awake yet. :-)

>

> {{{{{{{{{Robin}}}}}}}}}}

> Deborah

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's a good point Deborah. I just walked by the television and saw

someone skiing, gosh that drives me crazy! I want soooo much to be able

to be active, but right now the fact is that I can't do that. It's very

hard, but it's just something we have to deal with. I try not to beat

myself up over it, but it's really hard, being only 25 and all and not

being able to do the things my friends are doing. Grrrr! But, maybe

someday!

>

> I'm glad, Amy. I have to keep telling myself, too! I don't WANT to

> need this stuff any more than anyone else does, but my body keeps

> telling me, " you need it, dummy! " so I try to pass it along in a

nicer

> way. :-)

>

> Deborah

>

> anewkirk30 wrote:

>

> >

> > Deborah, this was a very helpful explanation for me. I know others

> > have tried to tell me similar things, and I've had trouble getting

> > it. This helps me so much, with my comfort level with taking HC and

> > all.

>

[Guest guest]

Deborah - sounds like you're awake now.

< " you need it, dummy! " >

Actually that's probably what I need to hear.

Robin