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Hi, , I've never used estrogel, but I did use bi-est cream (50/50 estriol/ estradiol) which was terrible due to flutuations and leg cramps. I'm assuming that estrogel is 100% estradiiol? I really like Vivelle dot patch...100% bioidentical estradiol...no fluctuations...easy to apply..change twice a week. Colleen bjrksadie wrote: I am thinking of switching from

estogel to a patch in the hope of eliminating the swollen underarm nodules I experience. I know there are several options of patches - eg, vivelle dots, estraderm, climara, estradots etc. It would be very helpful if some of you could share your experiences with the patch and pros/cons of the various kinds.with many thanks to all of you,

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I've never used anything but bioidentical patches,

and although I liked Climara because it only had to be changed once a

week, it was too big for my taste, so I went back to Vivelle dots,

which although they have to be changed twice a week, are smaller and

less likely to be itchy or cause a rash.

Maybe there is some rationale why many women use estrogen creams or

pills (i.e. they don't want just estradiol?), but I want only

estradiol, so it seems to me that patches are way better, unless maybe

there's some reason you feel that you can better "control" how fast it

gets into your system if you use a cream (i.e. you have some reason for

wanting a quick pick-up?). I don't know. The patches are totally

straightforward and easy.

Jane U.

Colleen Cheney wrote:

Hi, ,

I've never used estrogel, but I did use bi-est cream (50/50

estriol/ estradiol) which was terrible due to flutuations and leg

cramps. I'm assuming that estrogel is 100% estradiiol?

I really like Vivelle dot patch...100% bioidentical estradiol...no

fluctuations...easy to apply..change twice a week.

Colleen

bjrksadie <bjrsadiehotmail> wrote:

I am thinking of switching from estogel to a patch in the hope

of

eliminating the swollen underarm nodules I experience. I know there

are several options of patches - eg, vivelle dots, estraderm, climara,

estradots etc. It would be very helpful if some of you could share

your experiences with the patch and pros/cons of the various kinds.

with many thanks to all of you,

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Thanks Colleen, that's very helpful. (estogel is bioidentical - it

seems to work well for some, others not . . . the usual story I

guess.) Does anyone else have experience re. other patches?

Thanks muchly,

> I am thinking of switching from estogel to a patch in

the hope of

> eliminating the swollen underarm nodules I experience. I know

there

> are several options of patches - eg, vivelle dots, estraderm,

climara,

> estradots etc. It would be very helpful if some of you could share

> your experiences with the patch and pros/cons of the various kinds.

>

> with many thanks to all of you,

>

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Hi Jane.

I too want only estradiol, which is why I stay away from creams such

as bi-est & tri-est. I probably would have stayed with estrogel as

it's only estradiol, if it wasn't for the side effects - ie,

swollen, painful underarm lumps.

So far, it seems like most who use patches like the Vivelle dot.

Does anyone have experience with estradots?

many thanks,

> I've never used anything but bioidentical patches, and although I

liked

> Climara because it only had to be changed once a week, it was too

big

> for my taste, so I went back to Vivelle dots, which although they

have

> to be changed twice a week, are smaller and less likely to be

itchy or

> cause a rash.

>

> Maybe there is some rationale why many women use estrogen creams

or

> pills (i.e. they don't want just estradiol?), but I want only

estradiol,

> so it seems to me that patches are way better, unless maybe

there's some

> reason you feel that you can better " control " how fast it gets

into your

> system if you use a cream (i.e. you have some reason for wanting a

quick

> pick-up?). I don't know. The patches are totally straightforward

and easy.

>

> Jane U.

>

> Colleen Cheney wrote:

>

> > Hi, ,

> >

> > I've never used estrogel, but I did use bi-est cream (50/50

estriol/

> > estradiol) which was terrible due to flutuations and leg

cramps. I'm

> > assuming that estrogel is 100% estradiiol?

> >

> > I really like Vivelle dot patch...100% bioidentical

estradiol...no

> > fluctuations...easy to apply..change twice a week.

> >

> > Colleen

> >

> > */bjrksadie /* wrote:

> >

> > I am thinking of switching from estogel to a patch in the

hope of

> > eliminating the swollen underarm nodules I experience. I

know there

> > are several options of patches - eg, vivelle dots, estraderm,

> > climara,

> > estradots etc. It would be very helpful if some of you could

share

> > your experiences with the patch and pros/cons of the various

kinds.

> >

> > with many thanks to all of you,

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Liz,

Thanks for your suggestion . . . unfortunately, I did try the

estrogel on my thighs, but it didn't seem to give me enough

estrogen, compared to when I rubbed it on my arms (does anyone have

any ideas re. why that would be?). . . and the lumps remained.

Liz, do you still use the vivelle dot patch in addition to the 12-

14mg Olive Oil - 4 times a day (as on our database)?

many thanks,

> Hi ,

>

> I may have missed this but can you not try the estrogel on your

thighs? Just

> a thought :) I've tried all the patches and the Vivelle was the

one that

> worked the best for me, though not good enough.

>

> Liz

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> On Behalf Of bjrksadie

> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2007 10:22 AM

> To: rhythmicliving

> Subject: Re: estradiol patches

>

>

>

> Hi Jane.

>

> I too want only estradiol, which is why I stay away from creams

such

> as bi-est & tri-est. I probably would have stayed with estrogel as

> it's only estradiol, if it wasn't for the side effects - ie,

> swollen, painful underarm lumps.

>

> So far, it seems like most who use patches like the Vivelle dot.

> Does anyone have experience with estradots?

>

> many thanks,

>

>

>

> > I've never used anything but bioidentical patches, and although

I

> liked

> > Climara because it only had to be changed once a week, it was

too

> big

> > for my taste, so I went back to Vivelle dots, which although

they

> have

> > to be changed twice a week, are smaller and less likely to be

> itchy or

> > cause a rash.

> >

> > Maybe there is some rationale why many women use estrogen creams

> or

> > pills (i.e. they don't want just estradiol?), but I want only

> estradiol,

> > so it seems to me that patches are way better, unless maybe

> there's some

> > reason you feel that you can better " control " how fast it gets

> into your

> > system if you use a cream (i.e. you have some reason for wanting

a

> quick

> > pick-up?). I don't know. The patches are totally straightforward

> and easy.

> >

> > Jane U.

> >

> > Colleen Cheney wrote:

> >

> > > Hi, ,

> > >

> > > I've never used estrogel, but I did use bi-est cream (50/50

> estriol/

> > > estradiol) which was terrible due to flutuations and leg

> cramps. I'm

> > > assuming that estrogel is 100% estradiiol?

> > >

> > > I really like Vivelle dot patch...100% bioidentical

> estradiol...-no

> > > fluctuations.-..easy to apply..change twice a week.

> > >

> > > Colleen

> > >

> > > */bjrksadie <bjrsadie@>/* wrote:

> > >

> > > I am thinking of switching from estogel to a patch in the

> hope of

> > > eliminating the swollen underarm nodules I experience. I

> know there

> > > are several options of patches - eg, vivelle dots, estraderm,

> > > climara,

> > > estradots etc. It would be very helpful if some of you could

> share

> > > your experiences with the patch and pros/cons of the various

> kinds.

> > >

> > > with many thanks to all of you,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Gael,

I wonder if a compounding pharmacy could make up an estradiol nasal

spray or nasal drops? Maybe if we all call WIP they will consider

doing it??

Have you tried using a glove to apply oestrogel to your neck and face?

(A glove so that you do not get any on your hand that will drain to

your lump area.) I think I get better brain effects when I apply part

of my oestrogel dose on my carotid areas and some of my face (upper

lip and chin just in case it helps with hair issues). Dr. G says not

to apply oestrogel to our face because of the alcohol base. Well my

Retin-A gel is in an alcohol base and I use it without a problem; I

see no reason why oestrogel would be a problem unless you have

sensitive facial skin (maybe just stay away from the sensitive eye

area). I always try to apply my oestrogel right after my shower

because I think it absorbs better then (I dry off and immediately

apply it).

Another thought would be to use some oestrogel on your neck and face

plus some estradiol in olive oil on your gum and inner cheek areas. I

have gum recession and I have been applying a small dose of estradiol

in olive oil to my gums in the morning. If I get the amount right I

can feel a good estrogen boost. I like to do this first thing in the

morning and then go do my exercise and shower/apply oestrogel later.

That way I think I feel better for my walk.

Kathy

>

>

> In a message dated 7/21/2007 11:48:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

> bjrsadie@... writes:

>

> Thanks for your suggestion . . . unfortunately, I did try the

> estrogel on my thighs, but it didn't seem to give me enough

> estrogen, compared to when I rubbed it on my arms (does anyone have

> any ideas re. why that would be?). . . and the lumps remained.

>

>

>

>

> I use estragel and just ran out of the beloved Aerodiol. :( I was

using

> both, the Aero in the AM, and just one dose of it lasted all day,

and then I

> would use the estragel at night, about .75mg on upper arm, but when

I developed

> a painful area in the breast on that side I switched to my thigh.

I don't

> have the feeling that the estragel has ever worked well for me,

either. I

> love the idea of it, but apparently don't absorb it well.

>

> Since running out of the Aerodiol, I am now bleeding again, and this

after a

> D & C and hysteroscopy for presumed hyperplasia, but which turned out

to be a

> large polyp. I was told that after the polyp removal I would

probably not

> have dysfunctional bleeding again for a long time, but that the

polyp might

> return. The D & C was two months ago. It seems soon again to have

this kind of

> bleeding, and with clots. I feel absolutely terrible, with

backache and

> stomach cramps. Has anyone else had anything like this? I am sooo

discouraged.

>

> Thank you for any help on this. I didn't have the hysterectomy that

was

> pushed on me because no hyperplasia was found, and I felt fairly

confident that

> the bleeding would now come under control. I am wondering now if it

is a

> hormonal thing and not a problem with the polyp.

>

> Anyway, again, just venting and whining, but would love any thoughts...

>

> Gael

>

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Gael,

The Women's International Pharmacy sells estradiol in olive oil with a

RX called in or faxed from your doctor:

http://www.womensinternational.com/

Their standard strengths from recall are 1 mg/drop, 0.1 mg/drop, and

0.125 mg/drop. If you have your doctor call in 1 mg/drop you can just

dilute it with your own olive oil to get to your desired strength (buy

another small bottle with a dropper from the health food store). They

told me that they can make up other strengths as well. I think my

little bottle was about $15 plus priority mail shipping. The only

problem with them is that they only want to send you a one month's

supply for your first order (just to make sure you like it). I wanted

a 30 ml bottle but instead I got 10 ml bottle.

Estradiol in olive oil is nice because you can use it so many ways

(oral, sublingual, topical, vaginal) and it is inexpensive. With the

Women's International Pharmacy they bill you with your order. When my

order shows up in the mail I go to their site and pay my bill with my

credit card. They have a location in Arizona and in Wisconsin.

Kathy

>

> Thank you for these suggestions, Kathy, and I will definitely try the

> carotid artery and perhaps the facial application. I am not quite

clear (and am

> VERY brain foggy, as I always am when I have bleeding) on what is

meant by OO

> estradiol. Where does one acquire it?

>

> Gael

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Gael,

My doctor likes biest also and I just cannot figure out why. I tried

it for a week and felt awful. I had to go in and plead my case but in

the end I got what I wanted. I do like my oestrogel from MM better

for general use but the estradiol in olive oil is nice for my gum

application. My doctor agrees that it may possibly help decrease

progression of my gum recession. I also mix a drop of it with my

facial serum in hopes that it will help skin aging issues also. I was

using estriol cream from MM for my face but I started thinking it was

blocking my pores and making me break out so I switched back to the

estradiol in olive oil for my face.

I do not know if it would work with your doctor but if you plead the

money issue thing it may help you get your way " the estradiol in olive

oil will save me so much money—it is hard to afford all this because

my insurance does not pay for it… " I told my doctor that I thought

that the estriol in my biest was making me feel pregnant again with

sore breasts and awful sleep (which was true). He almost did not buy

that one though because he tried to blame my symptoms on the estradiol

in the biest instead of the estriol. My poor sleep and horrible

breast problems resolved quickly though when I switched to plain

estradiol.

If you cannot get your way with your doctor, WIP maintains a list of

doctors that use their service. Maybe they have someone in your area.

Kathy

>

> Kathy, thank you SO much! I will see if my doctor will do this.

Right now,

> I am getting all my hormones from Master's Marketing, and bypassing my

> doctor altogether. They wanted to INSIST that I be on bi-est and

progesterone

> daily. Perhaps they would consider this. :)

>

> Gael

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