Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Hi Limin, The neurologist (Dr JG in SR) gave some info about birthmarks when we last saw her: The concerns increase the closer they are to the spinal cord, large in size or if there are more three. Particularly " cafe au lait " marks which may indicate neurofibromatosis or other related conditions. I'm not too worried about that, but there is definitely a connection between birthmarks and seizures from what I was reading online. I didn't record our conversation word for word, but she said that the further away from the spine the better because that means when the event happened it was during a less neuro-critical time in embryonic development. It's more of a concern to see one right at or very close to the spine rather than an extremity. Or if there are more than three total. My son's single cafe au lait spot is on his back, but more than 10 cm from his spine. So at some point we are going to do tests to rule out neurofibromatosis, but it's not too high on my priority list at the moment as he doesn't have any other signs. Since he's so fair skinned he may have more which can only be seen with a special lamp (black light maybe?). It's on the list of things for the neuro ophthalmologist to do, along with looking for related lich nodules with a slit lamp. I checked his skin with a black light at home, but didn't see anything unusual. I may have misunderstood the type of light needed to reveal them though. Apparently there are quite a few skin and eye pigmentations that may be related to seizures. Who Knew? > > My son has a brown patch birthmark kind of in triangular shape on the back of his left hand. He used to have laughing/giggling seizures (gelastic epilepsy), when he was littler. I have read that if the laughing seizures do not diminish, in children there is high concurrence with precocious puberty. I am curious to understand the percentage of autistic children who have developed seizure activities also have birthmarks. According to Mark Schauss, author of " Achieving Victory Over a Toxic World " , birthmarks might be associated with seizure tendency. What this means is that during embryonic development the skin and the brain fold from the same cells, and at that time something happened to the child's brain that makes the child susceptible to having seizures. > > In Schauss's book, he mentions what has helped his daughter to control her seizures is reducing pro-inflammatory stressors as much as possible. He did a LEAP MRT test including 127 foods and 23 food additives (chemicals). Used the test results as guideline to implement a dietary intervention and avoid food and prescribed drugs that contain the additives that his daughter reacted to. This helped to reduce her tantrums and seizures. > > LEAP MRT: > http://www.markschauss.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/leap-mrt-lab-interpretatio\ n-llc-tech-sheet.doc > > In my son's case, he has not entirely outgrown laughing/giggling seizures, but BH4 has greatly reduced the number of episodes. What sufficient BH4 does in the body is exactly reducing the production of peroynitrile and/or super oxide, both can trigger pro-inflammatory cytokine upregulation. > > Limin > www.healthbylimin.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 , The birthmark my son has is exactly a " cafe au lait " mark you described below. It is about 3 x 4 cm in triangular shape almost across the entire back of his hand. As I read more online, I have come across the relation between cafe au lait skin patches/birthmarks and tuberous sclerosis and/or hypothalamic hamartoma. A few days ago I posted a website which suggests that hypothalamic hamartoma might be the cause of laughing/giggling seizures we at times observe in a subgroup of autistic children. Limin www.healthbylimin.com Young Living Distributor ID: 1111136 > Hi Limin, > > The neurologist (Dr JG in SR) gave some info about birthmarks when we last saw her: The concerns increase the closer they are to the spinal cord, large in size or if there are more three. Particularly " cafe au lait " marks which may indicate neurofibromatosis or other related conditions. > > I'm not too worried about that, but there is definitely a connection between birthmarks and seizures from what I was reading online. > > I didn't record our conversation word for word, but she said that the further away from the spine the better because that means when the event happened it was during a less neuro-critical time in embryonic development. It's more of a concern to see one right at or very close to the spine rather than an extremity. Or if there are more than three total. > > My son's single cafe au lait spot is on his back, but more than 10 cm from his spine. So at some point we are going to do tests to rule out neurofibromatosis, but it's not too high on my priority list at the moment as he doesn't have any other signs. > > Since he's so fair skinned he may have more which can only be seen with a special lamp (black light maybe?). It's on the list of things for the neuro ophthalmologist to do, along with looking for related lich nodules with a slit lamp. I checked his skin with a black light at home, but didn't see anything unusual. I may have misunderstood the type of light needed to reveal them though. > > Apparently there are quite a few skin and eye pigmentations that may be related to seizures. Who Knew? > > > > >> >> My son has a brown patch birthmark kind of in triangular shape on the back of his left hand. He used to have laughing/giggling seizures (gelastic epilepsy), when he was littler. I have read that if the laughing seizures do not diminish, in children there is high concurrence with precocious puberty. I am curious to understand the percentage of autistic children who have developed seizure activities also have birthmarks. According to Mark Schauss, author of " Achieving Victory Over a Toxic World " , birthmarks might be associated with seizure tendency. What this means is that during embryonic development the skin and the brain fold from the same cells, and at that time something happened to the child's brain that makes the child susceptible to having seizures. >> >> In Schauss's book, he mentions what has helped his daughter to control her seizures is reducing pro-inflammatory stressors as much as possible. He did a LEAP MRT test including 127 foods and 23 food additives (chemicals). Used the test results as guideline to implement a dietary intervention and avoid food and prescribed drugs that contain the additives that his daughter reacted to. This helped to reduce her tantrums and seizures. >> >> LEAP MRT: >> http://www.markschauss.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/leap-mrt-lab-interpretatio\ n-llc-tech-sheet.doc >> >> In my son's case, he has not entirely outgrown laughing/giggling seizures, but BH4 has greatly reduced the number of episodes. What sufficient BH4 does in the body is exactly reducing the production of peroynitrile and/or super oxide, both can trigger pro-inflammatory cytokine upregulation. >> >> Limin >> www.healthbylimin.com >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2010 Report Share Posted January 10, 2010 Yea - I believe neurofibromatosis and tuberous sclerosis are grouped together within the bigger group of neurocutaneous syndromes. I'm not familiar with hypothalamic hamartoma though - will have to read up on that. I'll go back though the posts and find the one with the link. I've been away from research for quite a while because of my hectic work schedule and then the holidays suddenly happened! I'm trying to free up more time to dive back into it. Mostly lipid focused, but it does cross over with neuro. > >> > >> My son has a brown patch birthmark kind of in triangular shape on the back of his left hand. He used to have laughing/giggling seizures (gelastic epilepsy), when he was littler. I have read that if the laughing seizures do not diminish, in children there is high concurrence with precocious puberty. I am curious to understand the percentage of autistic children who have developed seizure activities also have birthmarks. According to Mark Schauss, author of " Achieving Victory Over a Toxic World " , birthmarks might be associated with seizure tendency. What this means is that during embryonic development the skin and the brain fold from the same cells, and at that time something happened to the child's brain that makes the child susceptible to having seizures. > >> > >> In Schauss's book, he mentions what has helped his daughter to control her seizures is reducing pro-inflammatory stressors as much as possible. He did a LEAP MRT test including 127 foods and 23 food additives (chemicals). Used the test results as guideline to implement a dietary intervention and avoid food and prescribed drugs that contain the additives that his daughter reacted to. This helped to reduce her tantrums and seizures. > >> > >> LEAP MRT: > >> http://www.markschauss.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/leap-mrt-lab-interpretatio\ n-llc-tech-sheet.doc > >> > >> In my son's case, he has not entirely outgrown laughing/giggling seizures, but BH4 has greatly reduced the number of episodes. What sufficient BH4 does in the body is exactly reducing the production of peroynitrile and/or super oxide, both can trigger pro-inflammatory cytokine upregulation. > >> > >> Limin > >> www.healthbylimin.com > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Hi , I hope I haven't waited you time trying to look for my previous post on hypothalamic hamartoma here. I actually posted the message at " beyondgfcf " group. I copy and paste the message below: **************** The formal name of laughing seizures you described here is " gelastic epilepsy " or " gelastic seizures " originated from the Greek word gelos, laughter, to emphasize the main character of these seizures. Gelastic seizure has been mostly associated with hypothalamic hamartomas - a mass of disorganized neuronal or glial tissue on or near the hypothalamus, which is located in the mid brain. It seems that panhypopituitarism is something to watch out for, for the individuals with gelastic seizures. Here is a support group for families with children who have uncontrollable gelastic seizures, in case that you want to investigate further: http://www.hhugs.com/ Since Dr. Masgutova will be in the bay area in February, I think that it might be a good idea to bring your child to her for an evaluation. She might be able to design some reflexes that can project onto and influence hypothalamus as well as pituitary gland (located at the base of the brain). I also think that incense essential oil might help too. I have received your email and will write to you about how to place an order soon. I tend to believe that the culprits of these seizure activities are toxins and infections. When looking at a bigger picture, detox is still the way to go. ***************** Limin www.healthbylimin.com Young Living Distributor ID: 1111136 > Yea - I believe neurofibromatosis and tuberous sclerosis are grouped together within the bigger group of neurocutaneous syndromes. I'm not familiar with hypothalamic hamartoma though - will have to read up on that. I'll go back though the posts and find the one with the link. > > I've been away from research for quite a while because of my hectic work schedule and then the holidays suddenly happened! I'm trying to free up more time to dive back into it. Mostly lipid focused, but it does cross over with neuro. > > > > >>>> >>>> My son has a brown patch birthmark kind of in triangular shape on the back of his left hand. He used to have laughing/giggling seizures (gelastic epilepsy), when he was littler. I have read that if the laughing seizures do not diminish, in children there is high concurrence with precocious puberty. I am curious to understand the percentage of autistic children who have developed seizure activities also have birthmarks. According to Mark Schauss, author of " Achieving Victory Over a Toxic World " , birthmarks might be associated with seizure tendency. What this means is that during embryonic development the skin and the brain fold from the same cells, and at that time something happened to the child's brain that makes the child susceptible to having seizures. >>>> >>>> In Schauss's book, he mentions what has helped his daughter to control her seizures is reducing pro-inflammatory stressors as much as possible. He did a LEAP MRT test including 127 foods and 23 food additives (chemicals). Used the test results as guideline to implement a dietary intervention and avoid food and prescribed drugs that contain the additives that his daughter reacted to. This helped to reduce her tantrums and seizures. >>>> >>>> LEAP MRT: >>>> http://www.markschauss.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/leap-mrt-lab-interpretatio\ n-llc-tech-sheet.doc >>>> >>>> In my son's case, he has not entirely outgrown laughing/giggling seizures, but BH4 has greatly reduced the number of episodes. What sufficient BH4 does in the body is exactly reducing the production of peroynitrile and/or super oxide, both can trigger pro-inflammatory cytokine upregulation. >>>> >>>> Limin >>>> www.healthbylimin.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------ >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 Hi Limin, what are the most distinct symptoms of Giggling Seizures? It can be easily mistaken as a " YEAST FLARE UP " too, right? Thanks, Sasmita > >>>> > >>>> My son has a brown patch birthmark kind of in triangular shape on the back of his left hand. He used to have laughing/giggling seizures (gelastic epilepsy), when he was littler. I have read that if the laughing seizures do not diminish, in children there is high concurrence with precocious puberty. I am curious to understand the percentage of autistic children who have developed seizure activities also have birthmarks. According to Mark Schauss, author of " Achieving Victory Over a Toxic World " , birthmarks might be associated with seizure tendency. What this means is that during embryonic development the skin and the brain fold from the same cells, and at that time something happened to the child's brain that makes the child susceptible to having seizures. > >>>> > >>>> In Schauss's book, he mentions what has helped his daughter to control her seizures is reducing pro-inflammatory stressors as much as possible. He did a LEAP MRT test including 127 foods and 23 food additives (chemicals). Used the test results as guideline to implement a dietary intervention and avoid food and prescribed drugs that contain the additives that his daughter reacted to. This helped to reduce her tantrums and seizures. > >>>> > >>>> LEAP MRT: > >>>> http://www.markschauss.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/leap-mrt-lab-interpretatio\ n-llc-tech-sheet.doc > >>>> > >>>> In my son's case, he has not entirely outgrown laughing/giggling seizures, but BH4 has greatly reduced the number of episodes. What sufficient BH4 does in the body is exactly reducing the production of peroynitrile and/or super oxide, both can trigger pro-inflammatory cytokine upregulation. > >>>> > >>>> Limin > >>>> www.healthbylimin.com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 You should look up youtube videos of gelastic seizures. They are quite distinct. Its more involuntary, accompanied by the face and mouth turning right, or repetitive body motions likecycling, moving head back and forth etc.This and other emotional disturbances could be due to seizures and seizures are caused by many factors: infections, head trauma, tumors etc.tumor in the hypothalamus is one possibility but not the only one. There are less severe conditions that can also lead toemotional outbursts like laughing, crying etc.This really is worth consulting a neurologist, going for an EEG etc if its severe.PramilaTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 10:41:28 AMSubject: Re: Seizure and birthmark Hi Limin, what are the most distinct symptoms of Giggling Seizures? It can be easily mistaken as a "YEAST FLARE UP" too, right? Thanks, Sasmita > >>>> > >>>> My son has a brown patch birthmark kind of in triangular shape on the back of his left hand. He used to have laughing/giggling seizures (gelastic epilepsy), when he was littler. I have read that if the laughing seizures do not diminish, in children there is high concurrence with precocious puberty. I am curious to understand the percentage of autistic children who have developed seizure activities also have birthmarks. According to Mark Schauss, author of "Achieving Victory Over a Toxic World", birthmarks might be associated with seizure tendency. What this means is that during embryonic development the skin and the brain fold from the same cells, and at that time something happened to the child's brain that makes the child susceptible to having seizures. > >>>> > >>>> In Schauss's book, he mentions what has helped his daughter to control her seizures is reducing pro-inflammatory stressors as much as possible. He did a LEAP MRT test including 127 foods and 23 food additives (chemicals). Used the test results as guideline to implement a dietary intervention and avoid food and prescribed drugs that contain the additives that his daughter reacted to. This helped to reduce her tantrums and seizures. > >>>> > >>>> LEAP MRT: > >>>> http://www.markscha uss.com/wp- content/uploads/ 2008/11/leap- mrt-lab-interpre tation-llc- tech-sheet. doc > >>>> > >>>> In my son's case, he has not entirely outgrown laughing/giggling seizures, but BH4 has greatly reduced the number of episodes. What sufficient BH4 does in the body is exactly reducing the production of peroynitrile and/or super oxide, both can trigger pro-inflammatory cytokine upregulation. > >>>> > >>>> Limin > >>>> www.healthbylimin. com > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------ --------- --------- ------ > >>> > >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2010 Report Share Posted January 11, 2010 I watched some of thse and suspect my 5 yr old has something similar, although it took reading some of the comments of YouTube to figure it out. He doesn't laugh, he has random periods of growling or grunting, and intense emotional outpouring. I noticed that the 2nd day he was on his full dose of lamictal the grunting had disappeared. Also, one night in the bathtub he started grunting and drooling uncontrollably, but he was aware enough to feel very scared and out of control. The drooling is always a sign to me that seizure of some sort is involved. Did you see the head drop videos? I'm not sure, but it looked familiar. Maybe when he was little... Oh dear. Something else. Jill "Every mighty oak was once a nut that stood its ground." To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 11:38:47 AMSubject: Re: Re: Seizure and birthmark You should look up youtube videos of gelastic seizures. They are quite distinct. Its more involuntary, accompanied by the face and mouth turning right, or repetitive body motions like cycling, moving head back and forth etc. This and other emotional disturbances could be due to seizures and seizures are caused by many factors: infections, head trauma, tumors etc. tumor in the hypothalamus is one possibility but not the only one. There are less severe conditions that can also lead to emotional outbursts like laughing, crying etc. This really is worth consulting a neurologist, going for an EEG etc if its severe. Pramila Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2010 Report Share Posted January 14, 2010 my oldest NT daughter has this exact birthmark on the back of her hand too. It got larger over time. my youngest nt daughter has the same mark on one of her legs and I have a large one on my back which has also grown over time. I don't think it is during developement in the womb though, but a kind of indication of something going on in the body causing a darker skin pigment, I've found this common in autism and my girls have yeasty tendancies too. kind of like the cafe au lait spots some genetic disease show. Our kids tend to look like genetic abnormalities, when the inside conditions I think cause the disturbances we're seeing from malnutrition and such. Jen > > My son has a brown patch birthmark kind of in triangular shape on the back of his left hand. He used to have laughing/giggling seizures (gelastic epilepsy), when he was littler. I have read that if the laughing seizures do not diminish, in children there is high concurrence with precocious puberty. I am curious to understand the percentage of autistic children who have developed seizure activities also have birthmarks. According to Mark Schauss, author of " Achieving Victory Over a Toxic World " , birthmarks might be associated with seizure tendency. What this means is that during embryonic development the skin and the brain fold from the same cells, and at that time something happened to the child's brain that makes the child susceptible to having seizures. > > In Schauss's book, he mentions what has helped his daughter to control her seizures is reducing pro-inflammatory stressors as much as possible. He did a LEAP MRT test including 127 foods and 23 food additives (chemicals). Used the test results as guideline to implement a dietary intervention and avoid food and prescribed drugs that contain the additives that his daughter reacted to. This helped to reduce her tantrums and seizures. > > LEAP MRT: > http://www.markschauss.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/leap-mrt-lab-interpretatio\ n-llc-tech-sheet.doc > > In my son's case, he has not entirely outgrown laughing/giggling seizures, but BH4 has greatly reduced the number of episodes. What sufficient BH4 does in the body is exactly reducing the production of peroynitrile and/or super oxide, both can trigger pro-inflammatory cytokine upregulation. > > Limin > www.healthbylimin.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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