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Thanks!

Lyncia

 

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choose our path....Enjoy your journey!

From: abijann <no_reply >

Subject: Lyncia

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:41 AM

Considering you have a liver problem, it would not be to your

benefit to take an anti depressant. These drugs tend to make

you more sleepy, there are only a few that don't. With the

tiredness you already feel, this is not a good thing. They also

could effect your breathing and your condition of encephalopathy.

I would ask the doctor more about this to be on the safe side.

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They had done 22 successful kidney and liver transplants here in Texas.  I am

just waiting.

 

I am going to look for an apartment ro==for my non working son and I and move

away from my dil before I ruin her marriage,  She is a sweetie.    I must admit

I miss having a sweetie.

Lyncia

 

In life family and friends take us on all kinds of adventures, God helps us

choose our path....Enjoy your journey!

From: abijann <no_reply >

Subject: Lyncia

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 11:10 PM

Do you have any loved ones or friends that would be willing to

donate their kidney to you?

If you have someone who wants to donate their organ to you...

but you don't match blood types...there is still a chance for

you to receive an kidney organ. It is known as " cross matching " .

Say you are type B positive (patient) and someone wants to donate an

organ to you, But they are A positive (donor). What they do, is find

another couple of people who have the same blood types only opposite:

A positive (patient) and B positive (donor).

There is a surgeon at s Hopkins Hospital, known as

Montgomery and his transplant team that has done this a

number of times. In matter of fact, they have done all of them at once.

They did a total of 3 recipents and 3 donors and then 6 recipents and 6

donors. One of the people didn't have a donor and a lady came forward

to be hers who she didn't even know.

http://dsc.discover y.com/fansites/ surgery/follow- up/kidney/ montgomery. ht\

ml

<http://dsc.discover y.com/fansites/ surgery/follow- up/kidney/ montgomery. h\

tml>

They have also done plasmapheresis. This will explain more

about that:

http://www.hopkinsm edicine.org/ transplant/ Programs/ InKTP/blood_ type.html

<http://www.hopkinsm edicine.org/ transplant/ Programs/ InKTP/blood_ type.htm\

l>

This is just something to keep in mind, if you happen to have someone

willing to be your donor.

Some transplant centers will consider this and other will not, as this

is just new in the

last few years back...Dr. Montgomery is trying to see if this can be

expanded at

other transplant centers.

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Dallas, Ft. Wroth, Houston, and Dallas.  Big area..........want to check into

the dual listing.

Lyncia

 

In life family and friends take us on all kinds of adventures, God helps us

choose our path....Enjoy your journey!

Subject: lyncia

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, 12:48 AM

God Bless you and congrats on the listing! i pray that all goes well for you.

what is area 4? 

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  • 2 weeks later...

He used to take Alprazolam at night. It was one of the drugs he took before all

this happened. They took all his old meds away and started him on a complete new

system.  The other day I see he had found that bottle and took one at bedtime.

Said he slept so much better!! The Dr told him not to take those. I thought I

had gotten rid of most of the ones from before but he had a bottle I guess. Said

it helped alot more that the benedryl. They said his liver beings it's not

functioning properly can't handle certain drugs .  He'd been up and down every

hour at night before so he was getting frustrated to not be able to rest longer.

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Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:07:44 PM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

Praying for you!!! 

 

Pamela

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Bonnie

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:21 AM

It is amazing how our body can keep going sometimes. I know I don't care for

mine the best I could either. He says now he doesn't know why he drank all that

time as " he really didn't like it " !! He's had high triglycerides for years ,high

blood pressure and cholesterol. No diabetes yet but they keep testing for it. He

had a quadruple bypass 3 years ago and a cartaroid cleaned out on the left side

of his neck acouple years ago. They also found other blockages at the time of

his heart surgery but wanted to care for his heart first. He also has the

blocked arteries in his legs and they can't do surgery on them but said to keep

walking as it will help build some capullaries out feeding them some. Sometimes

he says he has no feeling in his feet or legs but then the next day he can feel

some in them again. He's been through so much the last few years in the hospital

he doesn't want to go back. At first coming home from the hospital this last

time his mind

was so confused but now it's alot better and we can communicate for now anyway.

He takes the lactulose acouple times of day. He was very yellow in the hospital

and when first coming home. I don't notice it now though. There are times he

says things totally off the wall and can't seem to concentrate on things. I told

him he probably needs more lactulose.  I always line up all the pills daily

along with the lactulose to make sure he gets all he needs. He was taking so

much tylenol before this last stay in the hospital and the Dr. told him he

shouldn't be taking those as it could do harm with the liver and especially with

the alcohol.  That was a habit he'd gotten used to popping acouple when he had

an ache so I put those where he couldn't see them for now. He still wants to

take others and got some aleve and aspirin. I try to have him limit those too as

the Dr told him not to be taking them. They did give him proxyphene to take for

his back pain and

that doesn't seem to help now. and benedryl to help sleep but he said that

doesn't help either. Have to talk to the Dr and see if there are others that

would help him that won't be hurting his body to take. Something stronger .

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47:29 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

Bonnie, thank you so much for your prayers and support.  I know you and your

hubby have been through a difficult time yourself.  It's amazing the things we

put our bodies through and think we can get away with it.  My hubby has had type

II diabetes for years and elevated cholesterol and triglyceride levels.  He has

taken meds but has refused to watch what he eats.  The cummulative effects of

that and a genetic disorder have destroyed his liver.   He has been a wonderful

husband and provider and friend, just not so good at taking care of himself!  He

is a bit better this morning, a tiny bit more lucid.  I've learned to take one

day at a time and just count my blessings, casue no matter how bad things seem,

I still have so much to be thankful for.

Love and hugs to you and your hubby....... .......

Diane

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:33:08 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I think you are both right,. It had to be because of the infection he could

possibly get with each paracentesis. Don't know how we both got in in our minds

about the liver damage with it! Thanks for the responses on it. Now I can

understand that.

Diane--So sorry to read about your loved one. Hope you can get some rest in

between so you keep your health. A person doesn't realize how stressed out you

are and then it catches up with you. Glad you have hospice to help you and take

some of the pressure off. How long has your husband been ill with the disease?

My husbands is from alcohol. He drank for years and finally quit completely last

april when he was in the hospital for the ascites. He'd try to go off of it and

did pretty good but as soon as he was around someone drinking at a party or get

together that set it off and he would start to drink daily again. He drank maybe

7 cans a day sometimes more on the weekends. Amazed me that he could get up and

get to work every day and even function but always did. He thought he could quit

and it would all be fine-didn't realize he should have done that years ago. My

thoughts and prayers are with you. When my dauaghter was ill acouple years ago

they had a

prayer chain going through the church & friends  & I felt such a calming

feeling knowing that. It was like I could feel all the prayers helping her get

well--and she did!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32:09 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I've never heard of this either.  Our doctor told us that the paracentesis

doesn't affect the liver at all.  It is a simple abdominal puncture to drain

fluid.  The liver is never touched.  Bonnie, I wonder if you may have confused

paracentesis with liver biopsy?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49:48 PM

Subject: Bonnie

I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

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they told me benydral but that doesn't work.  He now has me on Ambien and that

doesn't work........so I sleep when I can......Thanks!

Lyncia

 

In life family and friends take us on all kinds of adventures, God helps us

choose our path....Enjoy your journey!

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Bonnie

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:21 AM

It is amazing how our body can keep going sometimes. I know I don't care for

mine the best I could either. He says now he doesn't know why he drank all that

time as " he really didn't like it " !! He's had high triglycerides for years ,high

blood pressure and cholesterol. No diabetes yet but they keep testing for it. He

had a quadruple bypass 3 years ago and a cartaroid cleaned out on the left side

of his neck acouple years ago. They also found other blockages at the time of

his heart surgery but wanted to care for his heart first. He also has the

blocked arteries in his legs and they can't do surgery on them but said to keep

walking as it will help build some capullaries out feeding them some. Sometimes

he says he has no feeling in his feet or legs but then the next day he can feel

some in them again. He's been through so much the last few years in the hospital

he doesn't want to go back. At first coming home from the hospital this last

time his mind

was so confused but now it's alot better and we can communicate for now anyway.

He takes the lactulose acouple times of day. He was very yellow in the hospital

and when first coming home. I don't notice it now though. There are times he

says things totally off the wall and can't seem to concentrate on things. I told

him he probably needs more lactulose.  I always line up all the pills daily

along with the lactulose to make sure he gets all he needs. He was taking so

much tylenol before this last stay in the hospital and the Dr. told him he

shouldn't be taking those as it could do harm with the liver and especially with

the alcohol.  That was a habit he'd gotten used to popping acouple when he had

an ache so I put those where he couldn't see them for now. He still wants to

take others and got some aleve and aspirin. I try to have him limit those too as

the Dr told him not to be taking them. They did give him proxyphene to take for

his back pain and

that doesn't seem to help now. and benedryl to help sleep but he said that

doesn't help either. Have to talk to the Dr and see if there are others that

would help him that won't be hurting his body to take. Something stronger .

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47:29 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

Bonnie, thank you so much for your prayers and support.  I know you and your

hubby have been through a difficult time yourself.  It's amazing the things we

put our bodies through and think we can get away with it.  My hubby has had type

II diabetes for years and elevated cholesterol and triglyceride levels.  He has

taken meds but has refused to watch what he eats.  The cummulative effects of

that and a genetic disorder have destroyed his liver.   He has been a wonderful

husband and provider and friend, just not so good at taking care of himself!  He

is a bit better this morning, a tiny bit more lucid.  I've learned to take one

day at a time and just count my blessings, casue no matter how bad things seem,

I still have so much to be thankful for.

Love and hugs to you and your hubby....... .......

Diane

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:33:08 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I think you are both right,. It had to be because of the infection he could

possibly get with each paracentesis. Don't know how we both got in in our minds

about the liver damage with it! Thanks for the responses on it. Now I can

understand that.

Diane--So sorry to read about your loved one. Hope you can get some rest in

between so you keep your health. A person doesn't realize how stressed out you

are and then it catches up with you. Glad you have hospice to help you and take

some of the pressure off. How long has your husband been ill with the disease?

My husbands is from alcohol. He drank for years and finally quit completely last

april when he was in the hospital for the ascites. He'd try to go off of it and

did pretty good but as soon as he was around someone drinking at a party or get

together that set it off and he would start to drink daily again. He drank maybe

7 cans a day sometimes more on the weekends. Amazed me that he could get up and

get to work every day and even function but always did. He thought he could quit

and it would all be fine-didn't realize he should have done that years ago. My

thoughts and prayers are with you. When my dauaghter was ill acouple years ago

they had a

prayer chain going through the church & friends  & I felt such a calming

feeling knowing that. It was like I could feel all the prayers helping her get

well--and she did!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32:09 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I've never heard of this either.  Our doctor told us that the paracentesis

doesn't affect the liver at all.  It is a simple abdominal puncture to drain

fluid.  The liver is never touched.  Bonnie, I wonder if you may have confused

paracentesis with liver biopsy?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49:48 PM

Subject: Bonnie

I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

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I've heard about weird things people do when placed on Ambion. Kind of scared of

that med.  One guy said he would get up at night and not know it. Would try to

eat stuff that wasn't eatable! Put peanut butter on his phone to eat, etc. And

some have gotten violent and changed their personality. I know alot of people

take it. It probably just effects some that way . He said the benydral doesn't

work for him at all either so he quit taking it.

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Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 4:33:56 PM

Subject: Re: Lyncia

 

they told me benydral but that doesn't work.  He now has me on Ambien and that

doesn't work........ so I sleep when I can......Thanks!

Lyncia

 

In life family and friends take us on all kinds of adventures, God helps us

choose our path....Enjoy your journey!

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Bonnie

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:21 AM

It is amazing how our body can keep going sometimes. I know I don't care for

mine the best I could either. He says now he doesn't know why he drank all that

time as " he really didn't like it " !! He's had high triglycerides for years ,high

blood pressure and cholesterol. No diabetes yet but they keep testing for it. He

had a quadruple bypass 3 years ago and a cartaroid cleaned out on the left side

of his neck acouple years ago. They also found other blockages at the time of

his heart surgery but wanted to care for his heart first. He also has the

blocked arteries in his legs and they can't do surgery on them but said to keep

walking as it will help build some capullaries out feeding them some. Sometimes

he says he has no feeling in his feet or legs but then the next day he can feel

some in them again. He's been through so much the last few years in the hospital

he doesn't want to go back. At first coming home from the hospital this last

time his mind

was so confused but now it's alot better and we can communicate for now anyway.

He takes the lactulose acouple times of day. He was very yellow in the hospital

and when first coming home. I don't notice it now though. There are times he

says things totally off the wall and can't seem to concentrate on things. I told

him he probably needs more lactulose.  I always line up all the pills daily

along with the lactulose to make sure he gets all he needs. He was taking so

much tylenol before this last stay in the hospital and the Dr. told him he

shouldn't be taking those as it could do harm with the liver and especially with

the alcohol.  That was a habit he'd gotten used to popping acouple when he had

an ache so I put those where he couldn't see them for now. He still wants to

take others and got some aleve and aspirin. I try to have him limit those too as

the Dr told him not to be taking them. They did give him proxyphene to take for

his back pain and

that doesn't seem to help now. and benedryl to help sleep but he said that

doesn't help either. Have to talk to the Dr and see if there are others that

would help him that won't be hurting his body to take. Something stronger .

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47:29 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

Bonnie, thank you so much for your prayers and support.  I know you and your

hubby have been through a difficult time yourself.  It's amazing the things we

put our bodies through and think we can get away with it.  My hubby has had type

II diabetes for years and elevated cholesterol and triglyceride levels.  He has

taken meds but has refused to watch what he eats.  The cummulative effects of

that and a genetic disorder have destroyed his liver.   He has been a wonderful

husband and provider and friend, just not so good at taking care of himself!  He

is a bit better this morning, a tiny bit more lucid.  I've learned to take one

day at a time and just count my blessings, casue no matter how bad things seem,

I still have so much to be thankful for.

Love and hugs to you and your hubby....... .......

Diane

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:33:08 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I think you are both right,. It had to be because of the infection he could

possibly get with each paracentesis. Don't know how we both got in in our minds

about the liver damage with it! Thanks for the responses on it. Now I can

understand that.

Diane--So sorry to read about your loved one. Hope you can get some rest in

between so you keep your health. A person doesn't realize how stressed out you

are and then it catches up with you. Glad you have hospice to help you and take

some of the pressure off. How long has your husband been ill with the disease?

My husbands is from alcohol. He drank for years and finally quit completely last

april when he was in the hospital for the ascites. He'd try to go off of it and

did pretty good but as soon as he was around someone drinking at a party or get

together that set it off and he would start to drink daily again. He drank maybe

7 cans a day sometimes more on the weekends. Amazed me that he could get up and

get to work every day and even function but always did. He thought he could quit

and it would all be fine-didn't realize he should have done that years ago. My

thoughts and prayers are with you. When my dauaghter was ill acouple years ago

they had a

prayer chain going through the church & friends  & I felt such a calming

feeling knowing that. It was like I could feel all the prayers helping her get

well--and she did!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32:09 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I've never heard of this either.  Our doctor told us that the paracentesis

doesn't affect the liver at all.  It is a simple abdominal puncture to drain

fluid.  The liver is never touched.  Bonnie, I wonder if you may have confused

paracentesis with liver biopsy?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49:48 PM

Subject: Bonnie

I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

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I have been on ambien before I was sick and did the weird things.........now it

doesn't even let me sleep........Wonder if those meals that I cooked when I was

sleeping were good?

Lyncia

 

In life family and friends take us on all kinds of adventures, God helps us

choose our path....Enjoy your journey!

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Bonnie

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:21 AM

It is amazing how our body can keep going sometimes. I know I don't care for

mine the best I could either. He says now he doesn't know why he drank all that

time as " he really didn't like it " !! He's had high triglycerides for years ,high

blood pressure and cholesterol. No diabetes yet but they keep testing for it. He

had a quadruple bypass 3 years ago and a cartaroid cleaned out on the left side

of his neck acouple years ago. They also found other blockages at the time of

his heart surgery but wanted to care for his heart first. He also has the

blocked arteries in his legs and they can't do surgery on them but said to keep

walking as it will help build some capullaries out feeding them some. Sometimes

he says he has no feeling in his feet or legs but then the next day he can feel

some in them again. He's been through so much the last few years in the hospital

he doesn't want to go back. At first coming home from the hospital this last

time his mind

was so confused but now it's alot better and we can communicate for now anyway.

He takes the lactulose acouple times of day. He was very yellow in the hospital

and when first coming home. I don't notice it now though. There are times he

says things totally off the wall and can't seem to concentrate on things. I told

him he probably needs more lactulose.  I always line up all the pills daily

along with the lactulose to make sure he gets all he needs. He was taking so

much tylenol before this last stay in the hospital and the Dr. told him he

shouldn't be taking those as it could do harm with the liver and especially with

the alcohol.  That was a habit he'd gotten used to popping acouple when he had

an ache so I put those where he couldn't see them for now. He still wants to

take others and got some aleve and aspirin. I try to have him limit those too as

the Dr told him not to be taking them. They did give him proxyphene to take for

his back pain and

that doesn't seem to help now. and benedryl to help sleep but he said that

doesn't help either. Have to talk to the Dr and see if there are others that

would help him that won't be hurting his body to take. Something stronger .

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47:29 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

Bonnie, thank you so much for your prayers and support.  I know you and your

hubby have been through a difficult time yourself.  It's amazing the things we

put our bodies through and think we can get away with it.  My hubby has had type

II diabetes for years and elevated cholesterol and triglyceride levels.  He has

taken meds but has refused to watch what he eats.  The cummulative effects of

that and a genetic disorder have destroyed his liver.   He has been a wonderful

husband and provider and friend, just not so good at taking care of himself!  He

is a bit better this morning, a tiny bit more lucid.  I've learned to take one

day at a time and just count my blessings, casue no matter how bad things seem,

I still have so much to be thankful for.

Love and hugs to you and your hubby....... .......

Diane

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:33:08 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I think you are both right,. It had to be because of the infection he could

possibly get with each paracentesis. Don't know how we both got in in our minds

about the liver damage with it! Thanks for the responses on it. Now I can

understand that.

Diane--So sorry to read about your loved one. Hope you can get some rest in

between so you keep your health. A person doesn't realize how stressed out you

are and then it catches up with you. Glad you have hospice to help you and take

some of the pressure off. How long has your husband been ill with the disease?

My husbands is from alcohol. He drank for years and finally quit completely last

april when he was in the hospital for the ascites. He'd try to go off of it and

did pretty good but as soon as he was around someone drinking at a party or get

together that set it off and he would start to drink daily again. He drank maybe

7 cans a day sometimes more on the weekends. Amazed me that he could get up and

get to work every day and even function but always did. He thought he could quit

and it would all be fine-didn't realize he should have done that years ago. My

thoughts and prayers are with you. When my dauaghter was ill acouple years ago

they had a

prayer chain going through the church & friends  & I felt such a calming

feeling knowing that. It was like I could feel all the prayers helping her get

well--and she did!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32:09 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I've never heard of this either.  Our doctor told us that the paracentesis

doesn't affect the liver at all.  It is a simple abdominal puncture to drain

fluid.  The liver is never touched.  Bonnie, I wonder if you may have confused

paracentesis with liver biopsy?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49:48 PM

Subject: Bonnie

I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

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I went off the Ambien and started taking my Xanax to sleep and it does the

trick. I know that it is supposedly a " bad " drug, but I don't do crazy things

from taking it!

I am just lucky I have a doctor who will prescribe it!

Bonnie

I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

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That's funny!! It effected you that way too then.  I've heard so many weird

stories that I don't think I'd ever want to try them.. 

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 5:32:51 PM

Subject: Re: Lyncia

I have been on ambien before I was sick and did the weird things...... ...now it

doesn't even let me sleep....... .Wonder if those meals that I cooked when I was

sleeping were good?

Lyncia

 

In life family and friends take us on all kinds of adventures, God helps us

choose our path....Enjoy your journey!

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Bonnie

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:21 AM

It is amazing how our body can keep going sometimes. I know I don't care for

mine the best I could either. He says now he doesn't know why he drank all that

time as " he really didn't like it " !! He's had high triglycerides for years ,high

blood pressure and cholesterol. No diabetes yet but they keep testing for it. He

had a quadruple bypass 3 years ago and a cartaroid cleaned out on the left side

of his neck acouple years ago. They also found other blockages at the time of

his heart surgery but wanted to care for his heart first. He also has the

blocked arteries in his legs and they can't do surgery on them but said to keep

walking as it will help build some capullaries out feeding them some. Sometimes

he says he has no feeling in his feet or legs but then the next day he can feel

some in them again. He's been through so much the last few years in the hospital

he doesn't want to go back. At first coming home from the hospital this last

time his mind

was so confused but now it's alot better and we can communicate for now anyway.

He takes the lactulose acouple times of day. He was very yellow in the hospital

and when first coming home. I don't notice it now though. There are times he

says things totally off the wall and can't seem to concentrate on things. I told

him he probably needs more lactulose.  I always line up all the pills daily

along with the lactulose to make sure he gets all he needs. He was taking so

much tylenol before this last stay in the hospital and the Dr. told him he

shouldn't be taking those as it could do harm with the liver and especially with

the alcohol.  That was a habit he'd gotten used to popping acouple when he had

an ache so I put those where he couldn't see them for now. He still wants to

take others and got some aleve and aspirin. I try to have him limit those too as

the Dr told him not to be taking them. They did give him proxyphene to take for

his back pain and

that doesn't seem to help now.. and benedryl to help sleep but he said that

doesn't help either. Have to talk to the Dr and see if there are others that

would help him that won't be hurting his body to take. Something stronger .

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47:29 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

Bonnie, thank you so much for your prayers and support.  I know you and your

hubby have been through a difficult time yourself.  It's amazing the things we

put our bodies through and think we can get away with it.  My hubby has had type

II diabetes for years and elevated cholesterol and triglyceride levels.  He has

taken meds but has refused to watch what he eats.  The cummulative effects of

that and a genetic disorder have destroyed his liver.   He has been a wonderful

husband and provider and friend, just not so good at taking care of himself!  He

is a bit better this morning, a tiny bit more lucid.  I've learned to take one

day at a time and just count my blessings, casue no matter how bad things seem,

I still have so much to be thankful for.

Love and hugs to you and your hubby....... .......

Diane

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:33:08 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I think you are both right,. It had to be because of the infection he could

possibly get with each paracentesis. Don't know how we both got in in our minds

about the liver damage with it! Thanks for the responses on it. Now I can

understand that.

Diane--So sorry to read about your loved one. Hope you can get some rest in

between so you keep your health. A person doesn't realize how stressed out you

are and then it catches up with you. Glad you have hospice to help you and take

some of the pressure off. How long has your husband been ill with the disease?

My husbands is from alcohol. He drank for years and finally quit completely last

april when he was in the hospital for the ascites. He'd try to go off of it and

did pretty good but as soon as he was around someone drinking at a party or get

together that set it off and he would start to drink daily again. He drank maybe

7 cans a day sometimes more on the weekends. Amazed me that he could get up and

get to work every day and even function but always did. He thought he could quit

and it would all be fine-didn't realize he should have done that years ago. My

thoughts and prayers are with you. When my dauaghter was ill acouple years ago

they had a

prayer chain going through the church & friends  & I felt such a calming

feeling knowing that. It was like I could feel all the prayers helping her get

well--and she did!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32:09 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I've never heard of this either.  Our doctor told us that the paracentesis

doesn't affect the liver at all.  It is a simple abdominal puncture to drain

fluid.  The liver is never touched.  Bonnie, I wonder if you may have confused

paracentesis with liver biopsy?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49:48 PM

Subject: Bonnie

I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

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Bonnie - I take alprazolam or xanax, the brand name. before I started it, I

mostly was up until 4 in the morning or so, I am at stage four in my liver

journey, and many doctors know I am taking it. I can take up to two a day,

but I usually just take one when I intend to go to sleep. I won't take

Benedry because it keeps from sleeping, and makes me very hyper after taking

for a couple of days. I tell doctors it makes me feel as if I want to climb

the walls, they look at me as if I am speaking a strange language or crazy,

or both.

Sometimes when I have gone to a specialist, they change all my meds.

Usually they don't work as well as what I had been taking before. I think

different doctors have their pet drugs they prescribe for almost everybody.

When I get back to the regular, referring doctor, eventually I get back on

the old ones and feel better again. they tell me my liver is totally

scarred. If it wasn't going to work because of the damaged liver, then it

shouldn't make any difference to me if I take it or not, but there is a

definite difference. And sometimes even my doctors say I have to take some

meds which do cause problems with my liver, when I need a med for something

and there really isn't any choice. Jan H

> He used to take Alprazolam at night. It was one of the drugs he took

> before all this happened. They took all his old meds away and started him on

> a complete new system. The other day I see he had found that bottle and

> took one at bedtime. Said he slept so much better!! The Dr told him not to

> take those. I thought I had gotten rid of most of the ones from before but

> he had a bottle I guess. Said it helped alot more that the benedryl. They

> said his liver beings it's not functioning properly can't handle certain

> drugs . He'd been up and down every hour at night before so he was getting

> frustrated to not be able to rest longer.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Pamela on <ohanafive@... <ohanafive%40yahoo.com>>

> To:

livercirrhosissupport <livercirrhosissupport%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:07:44 PM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> Praying for you!!!

>

> Pamela

>

>

>

> From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:21 AM

>

> It is amazing how our body can keep going sometimes. I know I don't care

> for mine the best I could either. He says now he doesn't know why he drank

> all that time as " he really didn't like it " !! He's had high triglycerides

> for years ,high blood pressure and cholesterol. No diabetes yet but they

> keep testing for it. He had a quadruple bypass 3 years ago and a cartaroid

> cleaned out on the left side of his neck acouple years ago. They also found

> other blockages at the time of his heart surgery but wanted to care for his

> heart first. He also has the blocked arteries in his legs and they can't do

> surgery on them but said to keep walking as it will help build some

> capullaries out feeding them some. Sometimes he says he has no feeling in

> his feet or legs but then the next day he can feel some in them again. He's

> been through so much the last few years in the hospital he doesn't want to

> go back. At first coming home from the hospital this last time his mind

> was so confused but now it's alot better and we can communicate for now

> anyway. He takes the lactulose acouple times of day. He was very yellow in

> the hospital and when first coming home. I don't notice it now though. There

> are times he says things totally off the wall and can't seem to concentrate

> on things. I told him he probably needs more lactulose. I always line up

> all the pills daily along with the lactulose to make sure he gets all he

> needs. He was taking so much tylenol before this last stay in the hospital

> and the Dr. told him he shouldn't be taking those as it could do harm with

> the liver and especially with the alcohol. That was a habit he'd gotten

> used to popping acouple when he had an ache so I put those where he couldn't

> see them for now. He still wants to take others and got some aleve and

> aspirin. I try to have him limit those too as the Dr told him not to be

> taking them. They did give him proxyphene to take for his back pain and

> that doesn't seem to help now. and benedryl to help sleep but he said that

> doesn't help either. Have to talk to the Dr and see if there are others that

> would help him that won't be hurting his body to take. Something stronger .

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47:29 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> Bonnie, thank you so much for your prayers and support. I know you and

> your hubby have been through a difficult time yourself. It's amazing the

> things we put our bodies through and think we can get away with it. My

> hubby has had type II diabetes for years and elevated cholesterol and

> triglyceride levels. He has taken meds but has refused to watch what he

> eats. The cummulative effects of that and a genetic disorder have destroyed

> his liver. He has been a wonderful husband and provider and friend, just

> not so good at taking care of himself! He is a bit better this morning, a

> tiny bit more lucid. I've learned to take one day at a time and just count

> my blessings, casue no matter how bad things seem, I still have so much to

> be thankful for.

>

> Love and hugs to you and your hubby....... .......

> Diane

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:33:08 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> I think you are both right,. It had to be because of the infection he could

> possibly get with each paracentesis. Don't know how we both got in in our

> minds about the liver damage with it! Thanks for the responses on it. Now I

> can understand that.

>

> Diane--So sorry to read about your loved one. Hope you can get some rest in

> between so you keep your health. A person doesn't realize how stressed out

> you are and then it catches up with you. Glad you have hospice to help you

> and take some of the pressure off. How long has your husband been ill with

> the disease? My husbands is from alcohol. He drank for years and finally

> quit completely last april when he was in the hospital for the ascites. He'd

> try to go off of it and did pretty good but as soon as he was around someone

> drinking at a party or get together that set it off and he would start to

> drink daily again. He drank maybe 7 cans a day sometimes more on the

> weekends. Amazed me that he could get up and get to work every day and even

> function but always did. He thought he could quit and it would all be

> fine-didn't realize he should have done that years ago. My thoughts and

> prayers are with you. When my dauaghter was ill acouple years ago they had a

> prayer chain going through the church & friends & I felt such a calming

> feeling knowing that. It was like I could feel all the prayers helping her

> get well--and she did!!

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32:09 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> I've never heard of this either. Our doctor told us that the paracentesis

> doesn't affect the liver at all. It is a simple abdominal puncture to drain

> fluid. The liver is never touched. Bonnie, I wonder if you may have

> confused paracentesis with liver biopsy?

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49:48 PM

> Subject: Bonnie

>

> I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

> it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

> state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

> worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

> Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

>

> Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

> now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

> should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

> applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

> going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

> bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

> they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

>

>

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He said  he got to the point that he needed to take the alprazolam  again. Just

couldn't get any rest without them. He needed his rest  so I didn't say anything

when he started to take them again.  It seemed to help him feel better that he

got some sleep at night. He just takes one at night and getting by with that for

now. He quit the benydryl all together. Yes, it does seem like the different

Drs  will change his . I know when he went to the hospital they said they took

him off of all his meds and started new ones thinking some were not working good

together and then when transfered to the VA in Omaha they gave him different

ones before he was released to start taking. Now he's back with his regular Dr.

and he gave him acouple more new ones.

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:07:17 PM

Subject: Re: Lyncia

Bonnie - I take alprazolam or xanax, the brand name. before I started it, I

mostly was up until 4 in the morning or so, I am at stage four in my liver

journey, and many doctors know I am taking it. I can take up to two a day,

but I usually just take one when I intend to go to sleep. I won't take

Benedry because it keeps from sleeping, and makes me very hyper after taking

for a couple of days. I tell doctors it makes me feel as if I want to climb

the walls, they look at me as if I am speaking a strange language or crazy,

or both.

Sometimes when I have gone to a specialist, they change all my meds.

Usually they don't work as well as what I had been taking before. I think

different doctors have their pet drugs they prescribe for almost everybody.

When I get back to the regular, referring doctor, eventually I get back on

the old ones and feel better again. they tell me my liver is totally

scarred. If it wasn't going to work because of the damaged liver, then it

shouldn't make any difference to me if I take it or not, but there is a

definite difference. And sometimes even my doctors say I have to take some

meds which do cause problems with my liver, when I need a med for something

and there really isn't any choice. Jan H

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

> He used to take Alprazolam at night. It was one of the drugs he took

> before all this happened. They took all his old meds away and started him on

> a complete new system. The other day I see he had found that bottle and

> took one at bedtime. Said he slept so much better!! The Dr told him not to

> take those. I thought I had gotten rid of most of the ones from before but

> he had a bottle I guess. Said it helped alot more that the benedryl. They

> said his liver beings it's not functioning properly can't handle certain

> drugs . He'd been up and down every hour at night before so he was getting

> frustrated to not be able to rest longer.

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Pamela on <ohanafiveyahoo (DOT) com <ohanafive%40yahoo. com>>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com<livercirrhosissupp

ort%40yahoogroup s.com>

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:07:44 PM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> Praying for you!!!

>

> Pamela

>

>

>

> From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:21 AM

>

> It is amazing how our body can keep going sometimes. I know I don't care

> for mine the best I could either. He says now he doesn't know why he drank

> all that time as " he really didn't like it " !! He's had high triglycerides

> for years ,high blood pressure and cholesterol. No diabetes yet but they

> keep testing for it. He had a quadruple bypass 3 years ago and a cartaroid

> cleaned out on the left side of his neck acouple years ago. They also found

> other blockages at the time of his heart surgery but wanted to care for his

> heart first. He also has the blocked arteries in his legs and they can't do

> surgery on them but said to keep walking as it will help build some

> capullaries out feeding them some. Sometimes he says he has no feeling in

> his feet or legs but then the next day he can feel some in them again. He's

> been through so much the last few years in the hospital he doesn't want to

> go back. At first coming home from the hospital this last time his mind

> was so confused but now it's alot better and we can communicate for now

> anyway. He takes the lactulose acouple times of day. He was very yellow in

> the hospital and when first coming home. I don't notice it now though.. There

> are times he says things totally off the wall and can't seem to concentrate

> on things. I told him he probably needs more lactulose. I always line up

> all the pills daily along with the lactulose to make sure he gets all he

> needs. He was taking so much tylenol before this last stay in the hospital

> and the Dr. told him he shouldn't be taking those as it could do harm with

> the liver and especially with the alcohol. That was a habit he'd gotten

> used to popping acouple when he had an ache so I put those where he couldn't

> see them for now. He still wants to take others and got some aleve and

> aspirin. I try to have him limit those too as the Dr told him not to be

> taking them. They did give him proxyphene to take for his back pain and

> that doesn't seem to help now. and benedryl to help sleep but he said that

> doesn't help either. Have to talk to the Dr and see if there are others that

> would help him that won't be hurting his body to take. Something stronger .

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47:29 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> Bonnie, thank you so much for your prayers and support. I know you and

> your hubby have been through a difficult time yourself. It's amazing the

> things we put our bodies through and think we can get away with it. My

> hubby has had type II diabetes for years and elevated cholesterol and

> triglyceride levels. He has taken meds but has refused to watch what he

> eats. The cummulative effects of that and a genetic disorder have destroyed

> his liver. He has been a wonderful husband and provider and friend, just

> not so good at taking care of himself! He is a bit better this morning, a

> tiny bit more lucid. I've learned to take one day at a time and just count

> my blessings, casue no matter how bad things seem, I still have so much to

> be thankful for.

>

> Love and hugs to you and your hubby....... .......

> Diane

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:33:08 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> I think you are both right,. It had to be because of the infection he could

> possibly get with each paracentesis. Don't know how we both got in in our

> minds about the liver damage with it! Thanks for the responses on it. Now I

> can understand that.

>

> Diane--So sorry to read about your loved one. Hope you can get some rest in

> between so you keep your health. A person doesn't realize how stressed out

> you are and then it catches up with you. Glad you have hospice to help you

> and take some of the pressure off. How long has your husband been ill with

> the disease? My husbands is from alcohol. He drank for years and finally

> quit completely last april when he was in the hospital for the ascites. He'd

> try to go off of it and did pretty good but as soon as he was around someone

> drinking at a party or get together that set it off and he would start to

> drink daily again. He drank maybe 7 cans a day sometimes more on the

> weekends. Amazed me that he could get up and get to work every day and even

> function but always did. He thought he could quit and it would all be

> fine-didn't realize he should have done that years ago. My thoughts and

> prayers are with you. When my dauaghter was ill acouple years ago they had a

> prayer chain going through the church & friends & I felt such a calming

> feeling knowing that. It was like I could feel all the prayers helping her

> get well--and she did!!

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32:09 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> I've never heard of this either. Our doctor told us that the paracentesis

> doesn't affect the liver at all. It is a simple abdominal puncture to drain

> fluid. The liver is never touched. Bonnie, I wonder if you may have

> confused paracentesis with liver biopsy?

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49:48 PM

> Subject: Bonnie

>

> I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

> it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

> state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

> worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

> Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

>

> Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

> now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

> should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

> applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

> going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

> bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

> they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

>

>

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Xaxan works a little better.  Maybe I need to do more exercise daily.  I just

stayed so very tired.  Thanks.

Lyncia

 

In life family and friends take us on all kinds of adventures, God helps us

choose our path....Enjoy your journey!

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Bonnie

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:21 AM

It is amazing how our body can keep going sometimes. I know I don't care for

mine the best I could either. He says now he doesn't know why he drank all that

time as " he really didn't like it " !! He's had high triglycerides for years ,high

blood pressure and cholesterol. No diabetes yet but they keep testing for it. He

had a quadruple bypass 3 years ago and a cartaroid cleaned out on the left side

of his neck acouple years ago. They also found other blockages at the time of

his heart surgery but wanted to care for his heart first. He also has the

blocked arteries in his legs and they can't do surgery on them but said to keep

walking as it will help build some capullaries out feeding them some. Sometimes

he says he has no feeling in his feet or legs but then the next day he can feel

some in them again. He's been through so much the last few years in the hospital

he doesn't want to go back. At first coming home from the hospital this last

time his mind

was so confused but now it's alot better and we can communicate for now anyway.

He takes the lactulose acouple times of day. He was very yellow in the hospital

and when first coming home. I don't notice it now though. There are times he

says things totally off the wall and can't seem to concentrate on things. I told

him he probably needs more lactulose. I always line up all the pills daily along

with the lactulose to make sure he gets all he needs. He was taking so much

tylenol before this last stay in the hospital and the Dr. told him he shouldn't

be taking those as it could do harm with the liver and especially with the

alcohol. That was a habit he'd gotten used to popping acouple when he had an

ache so I put those where he couldn't see them for now. He still wants to take

others and got some aleve and aspirin. I try to have him limit those too as the

Dr told him not to be taking them. They did give him proxyphene to take for his

back pain and

that doesn't seem to help now. and benedryl to help sleep but he said that

doesn't help either. Have to talk to the Dr and see if there are others that

would help him that won't be hurting his body to take. Something stronger .

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47:29 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

Bonnie, thank you so much for your prayers and support. I know you and your

hubby have been through a difficult time yourself. It's amazing the things we

put our bodies through and think we can get away with it. My hubby has had type

II diabetes for years and elevated cholesterol and triglyceride levels. He has

taken meds but has refused to watch what he eats. The cummulative effects of

that and a genetic disorder have destroyed his liver. He has been a wonderful

husband and provider and friend, just not so good at taking care of himself! He

is a bit better this morning, a tiny bit more lucid. I've learned to take one

day at a time and just count my blessings, casue no matter how bad things seem,

I still have so much to be thankful for.

Love and hugs to you and your hubby....... .......

Diane

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:33:08 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I think you are both right,. It had to be because of the infection he could

possibly get with each paracentesis. Don't know how we both got in in our minds

about the liver damage with it! Thanks for the responses on it. Now I can

understand that.

Diane--So sorry to read about your loved one. Hope you can get some rest in

between so you keep your health. A person doesn't realize how stressed out you

are and then it catches up with you. Glad you have hospice to help you and take

some of the pressure off. How long has your husband been ill with the disease?

My husbands is from alcohol. He drank for years and finally quit completely last

april when he was in the hospital for the ascites. He'd try to go off of it and

did pretty good but as soon as he was around someone drinking at a party or get

together that set it off and he would start to drink daily again. He drank maybe

7 cans a day sometimes more on the weekends. Amazed me that he could get up and

get to work every day and even function but always did. He thought he could quit

and it would all be fine-didn't realize he should have done that years ago. My

thoughts and prayers are with you. When my dauaghter was ill acouple years ago

they had a

prayer chain going through the church & friends & I felt such a calming feeling

knowing that. It was like I could feel all the prayers helping her get well--and

she did!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32:09 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I've never heard of this either. Our doctor told us that the paracentesis

doesn't affect the liver at all. It is a simple abdominal puncture to drain

fluid. The liver is never touched. Bonnie, I wonder if you may have confused

paracentesis with liver biopsy?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49:48 PM

Subject: Bonnie

I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

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I could tell you so many funny funny stories............I was always mad at my

BILs.

Lyncia

 

In life family and friends take us on all kinds of adventures, God helps us

choose our path....Enjoy your journey!

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Bonnie

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:21 AM

It is amazing how our body can keep going sometimes. I know I don't care for

mine the best I could either. He says now he doesn't know why he drank all that

time as " he really didn't like it " !! He's had high triglycerides for years ,high

blood pressure and cholesterol. No diabetes yet but they keep testing for it. He

had a quadruple bypass 3 years ago and a cartaroid cleaned out on the left side

of his neck acouple years ago. They also found other blockages at the time of

his heart surgery but wanted to care for his heart first. He also has the

blocked arteries in his legs and they can't do surgery on them but said to keep

walking as it will help build some capullaries out feeding them some. Sometimes

he says he has no feeling in his feet or legs but then the next day he can feel

some in them again. He's been through so much the last few years in the hospital

he doesn't want to go back. At first coming home from the hospital this last

time his mind

was so confused but now it's alot better and we can communicate for now anyway.

He takes the lactulose acouple times of day. He was very yellow in the hospital

and when first coming home. I don't notice it now though. There are times he

says things totally off the wall and can't seem to concentrate on things. I told

him he probably needs more lactulose.  I always line up all the pills daily

along with the lactulose to make sure he gets all he needs. He was taking so

much tylenol before this last stay in the hospital and the Dr. told him he

shouldn't be taking those as it could do harm with the liver and especially with

the alcohol.  That was a habit he'd gotten used to popping acouple when he had

an ache so I put those where he couldn't see them for now. He still wants to

take others and got some aleve and aspirin. I try to have him limit those too as

the Dr told him not to be taking them. They did give him proxyphene to take for

his back pain and

that doesn't seem to help now.. and benedryl to help sleep but he said that

doesn't help either. Have to talk to the Dr and see if there are others that

would help him that won't be hurting his body to take. Something stronger .

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47:29 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

Bonnie, thank you so much for your prayers and support.  I know you and your

hubby have been through a difficult time yourself.  It's amazing the things we

put our bodies through and think we can get away with it.  My hubby has had type

II diabetes for years and elevated cholesterol and triglyceride levels.  He has

taken meds but has refused to watch what he eats.  The cummulative effects of

that and a genetic disorder have destroyed his liver.   He has been a wonderful

husband and provider and friend, just not so good at taking care of himself!  He

is a bit better this morning, a tiny bit more lucid.  I've learned to take one

day at a time and just count my blessings, casue no matter how bad things seem,

I still have so much to be thankful for.

Love and hugs to you and your hubby....... .......

Diane

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:33:08 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I think you are both right,. It had to be because of the infection he could

possibly get with each paracentesis. Don't know how we both got in in our minds

about the liver damage with it! Thanks for the responses on it. Now I can

understand that.

Diane--So sorry to read about your loved one. Hope you can get some rest in

between so you keep your health. A person doesn't realize how stressed out you

are and then it catches up with you. Glad you have hospice to help you and take

some of the pressure off. How long has your husband been ill with the disease?

My husbands is from alcohol. He drank for years and finally quit completely last

april when he was in the hospital for the ascites. He'd try to go off of it and

did pretty good but as soon as he was around someone drinking at a party or get

together that set it off and he would start to drink daily again. He drank maybe

7 cans a day sometimes more on the weekends. Amazed me that he could get up and

get to work every day and even function but always did. He thought he could quit

and it would all be fine-didn't realize he should have done that years ago. My

thoughts and prayers are with you. When my dauaghter was ill acouple years ago

they had a

prayer chain going through the church & friends  & I felt such a calming

feeling knowing that. It was like I could feel all the prayers helping her get

well--and she did!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32:09 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I've never heard of this either.  Our doctor told us that the paracentesis

doesn't affect the liver at all.  It is a simple abdominal puncture to drain

fluid.  The liver is never touched.  Bonnie, I wonder if you may have confused

paracentesis with liver biopsy?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49:48 PM

Subject: Bonnie

I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

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These doctors.......

Lyncia

 

In life family and friends take us on all kinds of adventures, God helps us

choose our path....Enjoy your journey!

>

> From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:21 AM

>

> It is amazing how our body can keep going sometimes. I know I don't care

> for mine the best I could either. He says now he doesn't know why he drank

> all that time as " he really didn't like it " !! He's had high triglycerides

> for years ,high blood pressure and cholesterol. No diabetes yet but they

> keep testing for it. He had a quadruple bypass 3 years ago and a cartaroid

> cleaned out on the left side of his neck acouple years ago. They also found

> other blockages at the time of his heart surgery but wanted to care for his

> heart first. He also has the blocked arteries in his legs and they can't do

> surgery on them but said to keep walking as it will help build some

> capullaries out feeding them some. Sometimes he says he has no feeling in

> his feet or legs but then the next day he can feel some in them again. He's

> been through so much the last few years in the hospital he doesn't want to

> go back. At first coming home from the hospital this last time his mind

> was so confused but now it's alot better and we can communicate for now

> anyway. He takes the lactulose acouple times of day. He was very yellow in

> the hospital and when first coming home. I don't notice it now though.. There

> are times he says things totally off the wall and can't seem to concentrate

> on things. I told him he probably needs more lactulose. I always line up

> all the pills daily along with the lactulose to make sure he gets all he

> needs. He was taking so much tylenol before this last stay in the hospital

> and the Dr. told him he shouldn't be taking those as it could do harm with

> the liver and especially with the alcohol. That was a habit he'd gotten

> used to popping acouple when he had an ache so I put those where he couldn't

> see them for now. He still wants to take others and got some aleve and

> aspirin. I try to have him limit those too as the Dr told him not to be

> taking them. They did give him proxyphene to take for his back pain and

> that doesn't seem to help now. and benedryl to help sleep but he said that

> doesn't help either. Have to talk to the Dr and see if there are others that

> would help him that won't be hurting his body to take. Something stronger .

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47:29 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> Bonnie, thank you so much for your prayers and support. I know you and

> your hubby have been through a difficult time yourself. It's amazing the

> things we put our bodies through and think we can get away with it. My

> hubby has had type II diabetes for years and elevated cholesterol and

> triglyceride levels. He has taken meds but has refused to watch what he

> eats. The cummulative effects of that and a genetic disorder have destroyed

> his liver. He has been a wonderful husband and provider and friend, just

> not so good at taking care of himself! He is a bit better this morning, a

> tiny bit more lucid. I've learned to take one day at a time and just count

> my blessings, casue no matter how bad things seem, I still have so much to

> be thankful for.

>

> Love and hugs to you and your hubby....... .......

> Diane

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:33:08 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> I think you are both right,. It had to be because of the infection he could

> possibly get with each paracentesis. Don't know how we both got in in our

> minds about the liver damage with it! Thanks for the responses on it. Now I

> can understand that.

>

> Diane--So sorry to read about your loved one. Hope you can get some rest in

> between so you keep your health. A person doesn't realize how stressed out

> you are and then it catches up with you. Glad you have hospice to help you

> and take some of the pressure off. How long has your husband been ill with

> the disease? My husbands is from alcohol. He drank for years and finally

> quit completely last april when he was in the hospital for the ascites. He'd

> try to go off of it and did pretty good but as soon as he was around someone

> drinking at a party or get together that set it off and he would start to

> drink daily again. He drank maybe 7 cans a day sometimes more on the

> weekends. Amazed me that he could get up and get to work every day and even

> function but always did. He thought he could quit and it would all be

> fine-didn't realize he should have done that years ago. My thoughts and

> prayers are with you. When my dauaghter was ill acouple years ago they had a

> prayer chain going through the church & friends & I felt such a calming

> feeling knowing that. It was like I could feel all the prayers helping her

> get well--and she did!!

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32:09 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> I've never heard of this either. Our doctor told us that the paracentesis

> doesn't affect the liver at all. It is a simple abdominal puncture to drain

> fluid. The liver is never touched. Bonnie, I wonder if you may have

> confused paracentesis with liver biopsy?

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49:48 PM

> Subject: Bonnie

>

> I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

> it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

> state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

> worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

> Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

>

> Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

> now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

> should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

> applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

> going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

> bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

> they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

>

>

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 Its good for a  person  to laugh too. We talk about stuff too he's done and  at

times get to laughing. It wasn't funny at the time but looking back on it we can

see humor in it now .

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:39:17 PM

Subject: Re: Lyncia

I could tell you so many funny funny stories..... .......I was always mad at my

BILs.

Lyncia

 

In life family and friends take us on all kinds of adventures, God helps us

choose our path....Enjoy your journey!

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Bonnie

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:21 AM

It is amazing how our body can keep going sometimes. I know I don't care for

mine the best I could either. He says now he doesn't know why he drank all that

time as " he really didn't like it " !! He's had high triglycerides for years ,high

blood pressure and cholesterol. No diabetes yet but they keep testing for it. He

had a quadruple bypass 3 years ago and a cartaroid cleaned out on the left side

of his neck acouple years ago. They also found other blockages at the time of

his heart surgery but wanted to care for his heart first. He also has the

blocked arteries in his legs and they can't do surgery on them but said to keep

walking as it will help build some capullaries out feeding them some. Sometimes

he says he has no feeling in his feet or legs but then the next day he can feel

some in them again. He's been through so much the last few years in the hospital

he doesn't want to go back. At first coming home from the hospital this last

time his mind

was so confused but now it's alot better and we can communicate for now anyway.

He takes the lactulose acouple times of day. He was very yellow in the hospital

and when first coming home. I don't notice it now though. There are times he

says things totally off the wall and can't seem to concentrate on things. I told

him he probably needs more lactulose.  I always line up all the pills daily

along with the lactulose to make sure he gets all he needs. He was taking so

much tylenol before this last stay in the hospital and the Dr. told him he

shouldn't be taking those as it could do harm with the liver and especially with

the alcohol.  That was a habit he'd gotten used to popping acouple when he had

an ache so I put those where he couldn't see them for now. He still wants to

take others and got some aleve and aspirin. I try to have him limit those too as

the Dr told him not to be taking them. They did give him proxyphene to take for

his back pain and

that doesn't seem to help now... and benedryl to help sleep but he said that

doesn't help either. Have to talk to the Dr and see if there are others that

would help him that won't be hurting his body to take. Something stronger .

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47:29 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

Bonnie, thank you so much for your prayers and support.  I know you and your

hubby have been through a difficult time yourself.  It's amazing the things we

put our bodies through and think we can get away with it.  My hubby has had type

II diabetes for years and elevated cholesterol and triglyceride levels.  He has

taken meds but has refused to watch what he eats.  The cummulative effects of

that and a genetic disorder have destroyed his liver.   He has been a wonderful

husband and provider and friend, just not so good at taking care of himself!  He

is a bit better this morning, a tiny bit more lucid.  I've learned to take one

day at a time and just count my blessings, casue no matter how bad things seem,

I still have so much to be thankful for.

Love and hugs to you and your hubby....... .......

Diane

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:33:08 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I think you are both right,. It had to be because of the infection he could

possibly get with each paracentesis. Don't know how we both got in in our minds

about the liver damage with it! Thanks for the responses on it. Now I can

understand that.

Diane--So sorry to read about your loved one. Hope you can get some rest in

between so you keep your health. A person doesn't realize how stressed out you

are and then it catches up with you. Glad you have hospice to help you and take

some of the pressure off. How long has your husband been ill with the disease?

My husbands is from alcohol. He drank for years and finally quit completely last

april when he was in the hospital for the ascites. He'd try to go off of it and

did pretty good but as soon as he was around someone drinking at a party or get

together that set it off and he would start to drink daily again. He drank maybe

7 cans a day sometimes more on the weekends. Amazed me that he could get up and

get to work every day and even function but always did. He thought he could quit

and it would all be fine-didn't realize he should have done that years ago. My

thoughts and prayers are with you. When my dauaghter was ill acouple years ago

they had a

prayer chain going through the church & friends  & I felt such a calming

feeling knowing that. It was like I could feel all the prayers helping her get

well--and she did!!

____________ _________ _________ __

From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32:09 AM

Subject: Re: Bonnie

I've never heard of this either.  Our doctor told us that the paracentesis

doesn't affect the liver at all.  It is a simple abdominal puncture to drain

fluid.  The liver is never touched.  Bonnie, I wonder if you may have confused

paracentesis with liver biopsy?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49:48 PM

Subject: Bonnie

I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

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I have been on ambien for months and it does quit working. What helps

me is only taking it if I need to get up the next day, then it seems

to knock me out since I probably haven't slept good for days. I

recently changed my eating habits to 90% raw vegan foods and I haven't

needed ambien in over a week!! It feels good to not depend on that

drug. I also have a script for alprazolam and it takes about 100mg for

me to feel it's sedative affects. Over the counter sleeping pills have

helped once in a while. Try cutting out some sugars in the diet if you

safely can, especially late at night. check out raw vegan food if you

want to know more.

>

> From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:21 AM

>

> It is amazing how our body can keep going sometimes. I know I don't

care for mine the best I could either. He says now he doesn't know why

he drank all that time as " he really didn't like it " !! He's had high

triglycerides for years ,high blood pressure and cholesterol. No

diabetes yet but they keep testing for it. He had a quadruple bypass 3

years ago and a cartaroid cleaned out on the left side of his neck

acouple years ago. They also found other blockages at the time of his

heart surgery but wanted to care for his heart first. He also has the

blocked arteries in his legs and they can't do surgery on them but

said to keep walking as it will help build some capullaries out

feeding them some. Sometimes he says he has no feeling in his feet or

legs but then the next day he can feel some in them again. He's been

through so much the last few years in the hospital he doesn't want to

go back. At first coming home from the hospital this last time his mind

> was so confused but now it's alot better and we can communicate for

now anyway. He takes the lactulose acouple times of day. He was very

yellow in the hospital and when first coming home. I don't notice it

now though. There are times he says things totally off the wall and

can't seem to concentrate on things. I told him he probably needs more

lactulose. I always line up all the pills daily along with the

lactulose to make sure he gets all he needs. He was taking so much

tylenol before this last stay in the hospital and the Dr. told him he

shouldn't be taking those as it could do harm with the liver and

especially with the alcohol. That was a habit he'd gotten used to

popping acouple when he had an ache so I put those where he couldn't

see them for now. He still wants to take others and got some aleve and

aspirin. I try to have him limit those too as the Dr told him not to

be taking them. They did give him proxyphene to take for his back pain and

> that doesn't seem to help now... and benedryl to help sleep but he

said that doesn't help either. Have to talk to the Dr and see if there

are others that would help him that won't be hurting his body to take.

Something stronger .

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47:29 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> Bonnie, thank you so much for your prayers and support. I know you

and your hubby have been through a difficult time yourself. It's

amazing the things we put our bodies through and think we can get away

with it. My hubby has had type II diabetes for years and elevated

cholesterol and triglyceride levels. He has taken meds but has

refused to watch what he eats. The cummulative effects of that and a

genetic disorder have destroyed his liver. He has been a wonderful

husband and provider and friend, just not so good at taking care of

himself! He is a bit better this morning, a tiny bit more lucid.

I've learned to take one day at a time and just count my blessings,

casue no matter how bad things seem, I still have so much to be

thankful for.

>

> Love and hugs to you and your hubby....... .......

> Diane

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:33:08 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> I think you are both right,. It had to be because of the infection

he could possibly get with each paracentesis. Don't know how we both

got in in our minds about the liver damage with it! Thanks for the

responses on it. Now I can understand that.

>

> Diane--So sorry to read about your loved one. Hope you can get some

rest in between so you keep your health. A person doesn't realize how

stressed out you are and then it catches up with you. Glad you have

hospice to help you and take some of the pressure off. How long has

your husband been ill with the disease? My husbands is from alcohol.

He drank for years and finally quit completely last april when he was

in the hospital for the ascites. He'd try to go off of it and did

pretty good but as soon as he was around someone drinking at a party

or get together that set it off and he would start to drink daily

again. He drank maybe 7 cans a day sometimes more on the weekends.

Amazed me that he could get up and get to work every day and even

function but always did. He thought he could quit and it would all be

fine-didn't realize he should have done that years ago. My thoughts

and prayers are with you. When my dauaghter was ill acouple years ago

they had a

> prayer chain going through the church & friends & I felt such a

calming feeling knowing that. It was like I could feel all the prayers

helping her get well--and she did!!

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32:09 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> I've never heard of this either. Our doctor told us that the

paracentesis doesn't affect the liver at all. It is a simple

abdominal puncture to drain fluid. The liver is never touched.

Bonnie, I wonder if you may have confused paracentesis with liver biopsy?

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49:48 PM

> Subject: Bonnie

>

> I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

> it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

> state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

> worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

> Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

>

> Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

> now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

> should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

> applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

> going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

> bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

> they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

>

>

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Thanks, I will.  I have found that I really don't like protein as much now.

Lyncia

 

In life family and friends take us on all kinds of adventures, God helps us

choose our path....Enjoy your journey!

Subject: Re: Lyncia

To: livercirrhosissupport

Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 9:43 AM

I have been on ambien for months and it does quit working. What helps

me is only taking it if I need to get up the next day, then it seems

to knock me out since I probably haven't slept good for days. I

recently changed my eating habits to 90% raw vegan foods and I haven't

needed ambien in over a week!! It feels good to not depend on that

drug. I also have a script for alprazolam and it takes about 100mg for

me to feel it's sedative affects. Over the counter sleeping pills have

helped once in a while. Try cutting out some sugars in the diet if you

safely can, especially late at night. check out raw vegan food if you

want to know more.

>

> From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Date: Saturday, January 17, 2009, 10:21 AM

>

> It is amazing how our body can keep going sometimes. I know I don't

care for mine the best I could either. He says now he doesn't know why

he drank all that time as " he really didn't like it " !! He's had high

triglycerides for years ,high blood pressure and cholesterol. No

diabetes yet but they keep testing for it. He had a quadruple bypass 3

years ago and a cartaroid cleaned out on the left side of his neck

acouple years ago. They also found other blockages at the time of his

heart surgery but wanted to care for his heart first. He also has the

blocked arteries in his legs and they can't do surgery on them but

said to keep walking as it will help build some capullaries out

feeding them some. Sometimes he says he has no feeling in his feet or

legs but then the next day he can feel some in them again. He's been

through so much the last few years in the hospital he doesn't want to

go back. At first coming home from the hospital this last time his mind

> was so confused but now it's alot better and we can communicate for

now anyway. He takes the lactulose acouple times of day. He was very

yellow in the hospital and when first coming home. I don't notice it

now though. There are times he says things totally off the wall and

can't seem to concentrate on things. I told him he probably needs more

lactulose. I always line up all the pills daily along with the

lactulose to make sure he gets all he needs. He was taking so much

tylenol before this last stay in the hospital and the Dr. told him he

shouldn't be taking those as it could do harm with the liver and

especially with the alcohol. That was a habit he'd gotten used to

popping acouple when he had an ache so I put those where he couldn't

see them for now. He still wants to take others and got some aleve and

aspirin. I try to have him limit those too as the Dr told him not to

be taking them. They did give him proxyphene to take for his back pain and

> that doesn't seem to help now... and benedryl to help sleep but he

said that doesn't help either. Have to talk to the Dr and see if there

are others that would help him that won't be hurting his body to take.

Something stronger .

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 9:47:29 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> Bonnie, thank you so much for your prayers and support. I know you

and your hubby have been through a difficult time yourself. It's

amazing the things we put our bodies through and think we can get away

with it. My hubby has had type II diabetes for years and elevated

cholesterol and triglyceride levels. He has taken meds but has

refused to watch what he eats. The cummulative effects of that and a

genetic disorder have destroyed his liver. He has been a wonderful

husband and provider and friend, just not so good at taking care of

himself! He is a bit better this morning, a tiny bit more lucid.

I've learned to take one day at a time and just count my blessings,

casue no matter how bad things seem, I still have so much to be

thankful for.

>

> Love and hugs to you and your hubby....... .......

> Diane

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Bonnie Luebbe <blouleyahoo (DOT) com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:33:08 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> I think you are both right,. It had to be because of the infection

he could possibly get with each paracentesis. Don't know how we both

got in in our minds about the liver damage with it! Thanks for the

responses on it. Now I can understand that.

>

> Diane--So sorry to read about your loved one. Hope you can get some

rest in between so you keep your health. A person doesn't realize how

stressed out you are and then it catches up with you. Glad you have

hospice to help you and take some of the pressure off. How long has

your husband been ill with the disease? My husbands is from alcohol.

He drank for years and finally quit completely last april when he was

in the hospital for the ascites. He'd try to go off of it and did

pretty good but as soon as he was around someone drinking at a party

or get together that set it off and he would start to drink daily

again. He drank maybe 7 cans a day sometimes more on the weekends.

Amazed me that he could get up and get to work every day and even

function but always did. He thought he could quit and it would all be

fine-didn't realize he should have done that years ago. My thoughts

and prayers are with you. When my dauaghter was ill acouple years ago

they had a

> prayer chain going through the church & friends & I felt such a

calming feeling knowing that. It was like I could feel all the prayers

helping her get well--and she did!!

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: diane chandler <dianechandler@ att.net>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 6:32:09 AM

> Subject: Re: Bonnie

>

> I've never heard of this either. Our doctor told us that the

paracentesis doesn't affect the liver at all. It is a simple

abdominal puncture to drain fluid. The liver is never touched.

Bonnie, I wonder if you may have confused paracentesis with liver biopsy?

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> To: livercirrhosissuppo rtyahoogroups (DOT) com

> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 8:49:48 PM

> Subject: Bonnie

>

> I never heard of doing multiple paracentesis causing liver scarring...

> it is just removing the fluid from the abdomen and the doctor can

> state how much fluid can be removed at a time. Usually, they

> worry that it might cause infection from the opening in the abdomen.

> Bacteria can enter and then it can cause serious complications.

>

> Your husband should be able to be on short term or long term disability

> now with his company, if he paid into it with his employer. He

> should also be able to get Social Security disability if he

> applies for it and can prove he is not able to work. However,

> going back to work on his own like this...may have a direct

> bearing now on whether they think he is able to work or not and

> they might not give it to him if they now thinks he can work.

>

>

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I am having trouble with google. Three times I have received a notice that

I am being blocked from sending and receiving email because of something I

have supposedly done, and that I could be blocked for 24 hours. or more. I

haven't done any of the things, such as getting too much mail at a time, or

sending too much mail, or having multiple copies of gmail open at the same

time. I do occasionally have two copies open but not at the time or

anywhere around the time they block me. Now I was notified that my server

is going to be using Gmail to deliver my emails through the server. So,

wondering what type of mess that might end up to be. I have never used a

Hotmail or Yahoo address but might have to open an account just to make sure

I will be able to get email. I am in touch with Bobby on Yahoo chat, so if

I do get blocked for the full 24 hours or more, will let him know. Jan H

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:01 AM, abijann <no_reply > wrote:

> So glad you are with us again. Sometimes I wonder about Yahoo and

> the things that happen on it. Not complaining, though, since they

> are really good to have a group like this and at no cost at all.

> Hope you are doing good.

>

>

>

--

Jan H

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I swear, I love the internet but sometimes it just makes me angry!  Well, maybe

frustrated is a better word.  Anyway, we won't lose you!  We'll hunt you down if

we have to!

 

 

 

Warm Hugs...........

 

Diane

http://auntdisexperimentallife.blogspot.com/

________________________________

To: livercirrhosissupport

Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:08:54 PM

Subject: Re: Lyncia

I am having trouble with google. Three times I have received a notice that

I am being blocked from sending and receiving email because of something I

have supposedly done, and that I could be blocked for 24 hours. or more. I

haven't done any of the things, such as getting too much mail at a time, or

sending too much mail, or having multiple copies of gmail open at the same

time. I do occasionally have two copies open but not at the time or

anywhere around the time they block me. Now I was notified that my server

is going to be using Gmail to deliver my emails through the server. So,

wondering what type of mess that might end up to be. I have never used a

Hotmail or Yahoo address but might have to open an account just to make sure

I will be able to get email. I am in touch with Bobby on Yahoo chat, so if

I do get blocked for the full 24 hours or more, will let him know. Jan H

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:01 AM, abijann <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> wrote:

> So glad you are with us again. Sometimes I wonder about Yahoo and

> the things that happen on it. Not complaining, though, since they

> are really good to have a group like this and at no cost at all.

> Hope you are doing good.

>

>

>

--

Jan H

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Thanks. Bobby has my number unless he has lost it. (Bobby - you said you

were going to call, haven't heard from you) I used to teach computers, and

as my hair got thinner and thinner, I told people that was why, computers

were so frustrating I had been pulling it out. Actually, from my thyroid

condition and my meds, liver I guess too can cause hair loss. Love my wigs

though, Just got two more, supposed to be the same, but have different

characteristics. My favorites of the 7 or 8 I have purchased so far. And

these wigs are cheaper than getting my hair cut and curled three times a

year. Jan H

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 6:26 PM, diane chandler wrote:

> I swear, I love the internet but sometimes it just makes me

> angry! Well, maybe frustrated is a better word. Anyway, we won't lose

> you! We'll hunt you down if we have to!

>

>

>

> Warm Hugs...........

>

> Diane

> http://auntdisexperimentallife.blogspot.com/

>

> ________________________________

> From: Jan Holman <janholman@... <janholman%40gmail.com>>

> To:

livercirrhosissupport <livercirrhosissupport%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:08:54 PM

> Subject: Re: Lyncia

>

> I am having trouble with google. Three times I have received a notice that

> I am being blocked from sending and receiving email because of something I

> have supposedly done, and that I could be blocked for 24 hours. or more. I

> haven't done any of the things, such as getting too much mail at a time, or

> sending too much mail, or having multiple copies of gmail open at the same

> time. I do occasionally have two copies open but not at the time or

> anywhere around the time they block me. Now I was notified that my server

> is going to be using Gmail to deliver my emails through the server. So,

> wondering what type of mess that might end up to be. I have never used a

> Hotmail or Yahoo address but might have to open an account just to make

> sure

> I will be able to get email. I am in touch with Bobby on Yahoo chat, so if

> I do get blocked for the full 24 hours or more, will let him know. Jan H

>

> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:01 AM, abijann <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>

> wrote:

>

> > So glad you are with us again. Sometimes I wonder about Yahoo and

> > the things that happen on it. Not complaining, though, since they

> > are really good to have a group like this and at no cost at all.

> > Hope you are doing good.

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Jan H

>

>

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I'm sorry I havnt called. I have been self centered lately. Not only am I

dealing with an ear infection, but I was supposed to go to the opthamologist on

Friday, and have this sty in my eye lanced, but I woke with such terrible

abdominal pain, I couldn't go on the handicap bus. At first I attributed it to

the morphine my pain doc wrote me for, as opposed to my normal oxycodone. (There

is a nationwide shortage of oxycodone) which can slow down your bowels, so you

need to keep up on colace and lactulose, I've been told. But, even though the

lactulose had worked, and the bowel movement was loose, I had no control of my

muscles, kind of like when pain pills make it hard to pee. Sometimes you see dr

House md self catheterize, because he can't pee, because he eats handfulls of

vicodin every day. I know some pain patoents who have Chiari like Sharon who

have to self cath just to be able to pee. Well, I have been able to pee, and

managed to have 4 bowel movements yesterday, but ran a fever last night, and my

abdomen feels like I never went, in fact it feels like terrible gas pain, the

worst. I am dreading the ER, because they always ridicule me anytime I go there,

but I am packed and ready. I just need to catch Sharon at the right moment, or

call an ambulance. If the pain gets any worse, or the fever goes above 102, I'm

outta here. Love, Bobby

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Re: Lyncia

>

> I am having trouble with google. Three times I have received a notice that

> I am being blocked from sending and receiving email because of something I

> have supposedly done, and that I could be blocked for 24 hours. or more. I

> haven't done any of the things, such as getting too much mail at a time, or

> sending too much mail, or having multiple copies of gmail open at the same

> time. I do occasionally have two copies open but not at the time or

> anywhere around the time they block me. Now I was notified that my server

> is going to be using Gmail to deliver my emails through the server. So,

> wondering what type of mess that might end up to be. I have never used a

> Hotmail or Yahoo address but might have to open an account just to make

> sure

> I will be able to get email. I am in touch with Bobby on Yahoo chat, so if

> I do get blocked for the full 24 hours or more, will let him know. Jan H

>

> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:01 AM, abijann <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>

> wrote:

>

> > So glad you are with us again. Sometimes I wonder about Yahoo and

> > the things that happen on it. Not complaining, though, since they

> > are really good to have a group like this and at no cost at all.

> > Hope you are doing good.

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Jan H

>

>

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Oh Bobby, please don't wait too long!  Get in there and let them find out what's

going on.  I'm praying for ya, hun!

 

 

 

Warm Hugs...........

 

Diane

http://auntdisexperimentallife.blogspot.com/

________________________________

To: Livercirrhosissupport <livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 4:51:49 AM

Subject: Re: Lyncia

I'm sorry I havnt called. I have been self centered lately. Not only am I

dealing with an ear infection, but I was supposed to go to the opthamologist on

Friday, and have this sty in my eye lanced, but I woke with such terrible

abdominal pain, I couldn't go on the handicap bus. At first I attributed it to

the morphine my pain doc wrote me for, as opposed to my normal oxycodone. (There

is a nationwide shortage of oxycodone) which can slow down your bowels, so you

need to keep up on colace and lactulose, I've been told. But, even though the

lactulose had worked, and the bowel movement was loose, I had no control of my

muscles, kind of like when pain pills make it hard to pee. Sometimes you see dr

House md self catheterize, because he can't pee, because he eats handfulls of

vicodin every day. I know some pain patoents who have Chiari like Sharon who

have to self cath just to be able to pee. Well, I have been able to pee, and

managed to have 4 bowel

movements yesterday, but ran a fever last night, and my abdomen feels like I

never went, in fact it feels like terrible gas pain, the worst. I am dreading

the ER, because they always ridicule me anytime I go there, but I am packed and

ready. I just need to catch Sharon at the right moment, or call an ambulance. If

the pain gets any worse, or the fever goes above 102, I'm outta here. Love,

Bobby

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Re: Lyncia

>

> I am having trouble with google. Three times I have received a notice that

> I am being blocked from sending and receiving email because of something I

> have supposedly done, and that I could be blocked for 24 hours. or more. I

> haven't done any of the things, such as getting too much mail at a time, or

> sending too much mail, or having multiple copies of gmail open at the same

> time. I do occasionally have two copies open but not at the time or

> anywhere around the time they block me. Now I was notified that my server

> is going to be using Gmail to deliver my emails through the server. So,

> wondering what type of mess that might end up to be. I have never used a

> Hotmail or Yahoo address but might have to open an account just to make

> sure

> I will be able to get email. I am in touch with Bobby on Yahoo chat, so if

> I do get blocked for the full 24 hours or more, will let him know. Jan H

>

> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:01 AM, abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> wrote:

>

> > So glad you are with us again. Sometimes I wonder about Yahoo and

> > the things that happen on it. Not complaining, though, since they

> > are really good to have a group like this and at no cost at all.

> > Hope you are doing good.

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Jan H

>

>

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How are you fairing these days, hun? I am suprised to find you awake.

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Re: Lyncia

>

> I am having trouble with google. Three times I have received a notice that

> I am being blocked from sending and receiving email because of something I

> have supposedly done, and that I could be blocked for 24 hours. or more. I

> haven't done any of the things, such as getting too much mail at a time, or

> sending too much mail, or having multiple copies of gmail open at the same

> time. I do occasionally have two copies open but not at the time or

> anywhere around the time they block me. Now I was notified that my server

> is going to be using Gmail to deliver my emails through the server. So,

> wondering what type of mess that might end up to be. I have never used a

> Hotmail or Yahoo address but might have to open an account just to make

> sure

> I will be able to get email. I am in touch with Bobby on Yahoo chat, so if

> I do get blocked for the full 24 hours or more, will let him know. Jan H

>

> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:01 AM, abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> wrote:

>

> > So glad you are with us again. Sometimes I wonder about Yahoo and

> > the things that happen on it. Not complaining, though, since they

> > are really good to have a group like this and at no cost at all.

> > Hope you are doing good.

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Jan H

>

>

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Things are pretty tough right now.  The emotional stuff is still pretty raw and

I suspect that isn't going to change a whole lot for a while yet.  I'm having

these problems because my gastric pacer has died on me.  I knew pretty well for

sure it had even before Terry passed, but there was nothing I could do about

it.  It's just that, the longer I am without the help it gives me, the worse the

pain, nausea and vomiting become.  Also, I feel for you because my bowels are

now slowing down as well.  That is usual with my situation.  I have needed the

pacer replaced for at least 4 months I think, but I knew I couldn't get it done

cause I couldn't leave Terry long enough to get the surgery.  So, the paperwork

is now underway with Medicare and I'm waiting for their goodwill and pleasure to

decide when I can get it done.  I'll tell you for sure, it's not a good time to

have to be dealing with all this!  But, then again, it never has been and I'm

sure never will be.  I sure hope you are feeling better soon.  I've had a hard

time trying to sleep overnight.  I guess it's just a combination of my tummy

issues as well as the emotional stuff I have going on now as well.  I'll be

fine, it's just gonna take time.  I'm still praying for you Bobby and for Sharon

as well.

 

 

 

Warm Hugs...........

 

Diane

http://auntdisexperimentallife.blogspot.com/

________________________________

To: Livercirrhosissupport <livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 5:01:42 AM

Subject: Re: Lyncia

How are you fairing these days, hun? I am suprised to find you awake.

Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

Re: Lyncia

>

> I am having trouble with google. Three times I have received a notice that

> I am being blocked from sending and receiving email because of something I

> have supposedly done, and that I could be blocked for 24 hours. or more. I

> haven't done any of the things, such as getting too much mail at a time, or

> sending too much mail, or having multiple copies of gmail open at the same

> time. I do occasionally have two copies open but not at the time or

> anywhere around the time they block me. Now I was notified that my server

> is going to be using Gmail to deliver my emails through the server. So,

> wondering what type of mess that might end up to be. I have never used a

> Hotmail or Yahoo address but might have to open an account just to make

> sure

> I will be able to get email. I am in touch with Bobby on Yahoo chat, so if

> I do get blocked for the full 24 hours or more, will let him know. Jan H

>

> On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:01 AM, abijann <no_reply@yahoogrou p s.com>

> wrote:

>

> > So glad you are with us again. Sometimes I wonder about Yahoo and

> > the things that happen on it. Not complaining, though, since they

> > are really good to have a group like this and at no cost at all.

> > Hope you are doing good.

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Jan H

>

>

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Bobby - don't know how you are or where you are right now since I was

sleeping last night, hope things have improved since this post. Don't worry

about the call to me, I was just teasing you. Will right more, but have to

put my teeth in and hair on and get to church. God Love you Jan

> I'm sorry I havnt called. I have been self centered lately. Not only am

> I dealing with an ear infection, but I was supposed to go to the

> opthamologist on Friday, and have this sty in my eye lanced, but I woke with

> such terrible abdominal pain, I couldn't go on the handicap bus. At first I

> attributed it to the morphine my pain doc wrote me for, as opposed to my

> normal oxycodone. (There is a nationwide shortage of oxycodone) which can

> slow down your bowels, so you need to keep up on colace and lactulose, I've

> been told. But, even though the lactulose had worked, and the bowel movement

> was loose, I had no control of my muscles, kind of like when pain pills make

> it hard to pee. Sometimes you see dr House md self catheterize, because he

> can't pee, because he eats handfulls of vicodin every day. I know some pain

> patoents who have Chiari like Sharon who have to self cath just to be able

> to pee. Well, I have been able to pee, and managed to have 4 bowel movements

> yesterday, but ran a fever last night, and my abdomen feels like I never

> went, in fact it feels like terrible gas pain, the worst. I am dreading the

> ER, because they always ridicule me anytime I go there, but I am packed and

> ready. I just need to catch Sharon at the right moment, or call an

> ambulance. If the pain gets any worse, or the fever goes above 102, I'm

> outta here. Love, Bobby

> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

>

> Re: Lyncia

> >

> > I am having trouble with google. Three times I have received a notice

> that

> > I am being blocked from sending and receiving email because of something

> I

> > have supposedly done, and that I could be blocked for 24 hours. or more.

> I

> > haven't done any of the things, such as getting too much mail at a time,

> or

> > sending too much mail, or having multiple copies of gmail open at the

> same

> > time. I do occasionally have two copies open but not at the time or

> > anywhere around the time they block me. Now I was notified that my server

>

> > is going to be using Gmail to deliver my emails through the server. So,

> > wondering what type of mess that might end up to be. I have never used a

> > Hotmail or Yahoo address but might have to open an account just to make

> > sure

> > I will be able to get email. I am in touch with Bobby on Yahoo chat, so

> if

> > I do get blocked for the full 24 hours or more, will let him know. Jan H

> >

> > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 9:01 AM, abijann <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > So glad you are with us again. Sometimes I wonder about Yahoo and

> > > the things that happen on it. Not complaining, though, since they

> > > are really good to have a group like this and at no cost at all.

> > > Hope you are doing good.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> > --

> > Jan H

> >

> >

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