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Hi! There IS good news about explantation. I had 'double lumen' implants which

were

saline and silicone, and had them for 20 years by the time I had them removed.

It has

only been a year and a half, but I am feeling much better. I was very sick by

the time I

discovered my implants were ruptured. Other women have had saline or silicone

for a

much shorter time and were very ill. They too usually feel much better when the

implants

are removed.

There is a forum which focuses on explantation, that you would probably like.

It is

http://explantation.com/

You will find a LOT of information about explant there (as well as here).

Good luck!!

> Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4 months

> ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started swelling up.

> I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually spread to my

> legs, which eventually turned into " zingers " of little sharp pains

> throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting sore. I saw

> my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has pretty

> much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that I've got him

> listening to the fact that my immune system is causing these

> problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor before I

> have an explant. He's worried that I might have an explant, only to

> find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told him it seems

> pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and then two

> weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to make sure

> this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the medical

> community embraces the possibility of implants causing these

> problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious Disease doctor,

> that he/she will not support the possibility of it being the

> implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey or New York

> who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on implants? Also,

> is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then eventually

> returned to normal after explant? I have never been this terrified

> in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery. It's

> ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond because I'm in a

> bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to hear good

> news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites that deal

> strictly with explantation that can help provide me with information?

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Hi

Welcome to our site. You will be glad to know that your symptoms

sound like your implants and they are fairly commmon to those of us

who got sick from implants. Yes, you can get better by explanting.

The majority of women who explant properly get alot better if not

entirely better. After explant, the majority of women find that by

detoxing their bodies and making changes to their diet they can get

better faster. Several women on this site have had the same

situation where their husband did not believe that the implants

could be the source of their symptoms. Almost always, they came

around either before the explant was scheduled or after the explant

and they saw that their wife improved. Perhaps it would help to let

him read this site. We have alot of good information in our files

and just by reading the posts you can learn alot. This is a very

supportive group and also a very knowledgeable one. Please feel

free to ask whatever questions you may have.

I doubt that an infectious disease doctor would be helpful. Many of

the women sick from implants have normal bloodwork, even though

feeling quite sick. Even if you are diagnosed with a particular

disease, they most likely will think it is not related to implants.

What did your ps say? Did he think your implants were causing your

illness? Most PS don't believe that and most women do not go to the

implanting ps to get an explant for that very reason. Make sure you

go to a really good plastic surgeon who will remove them properly.

The implants need to be removed " en bloc " . That means removing not

only the the implants but the capsules formed around them as well

without spilling the contents of the implant inside you. We have a

list of plastic surgeons that we can recommend who should do the job

correctly.

I am glad that you have recognized so quickly that the implants are

making you sick. Don't let anyone talk you out of that belief. The

longer you leave them in, the more symptoms you will develop.

We have all been in your shoes. The good news is that you CAN get

better!

Hugs, kathy

--- In , " auntsisnj " <auntsisnj@l...>

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> Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4 months

> ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started swelling

up.

> I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually spread to my

> legs, which eventually turned into " zingers " of little sharp pains

> throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting sore. I

saw

> my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has pretty

> much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that I've got

him

> listening to the fact that my immune system is causing these

> problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor before

I

> have an explant. He's worried that I might have an explant, only

to

> find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told him it

seems

> pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and then

two

> weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to make sure

> this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the medical

> community embraces the possibility of implants causing these

> problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious Disease

doctor,

> that he/she will not support the possibility of it being the

> implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey or New

York

> who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on implants?

Also,

> is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then eventually

> returned to normal after explant? I have never been this

terrified

> in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery. It's

> ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond because I'm

in a

> bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to hear good

> news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites that

deal

> strictly with explantation that can help provide me with

information?

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Thanks so much for your response. Where can I find the list of

plastic surgeons that are recommended for explant?

> > Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4 months

> > ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started swelling

> up.

> > I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually spread to

my

> > legs, which eventually turned into " zingers " of little sharp

pains

> > throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting sore. I

> saw

> > my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has

pretty

> > much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that I've got

> him

> > listening to the fact that my immune system is causing these

> > problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor

before

> I

> > have an explant. He's worried that I might have an explant, only

> to

> > find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told him it

> seems

> > pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and then

> two

> > weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to make sure

> > this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the medical

> > community embraces the possibility of implants causing these

> > problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious Disease

> doctor,

> > that he/she will not support the possibility of it being the

> > implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey or New

> York

> > who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on implants?

> Also,

> > is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then eventually

> > returned to normal after explant? I have never been this

> terrified

> > in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery. It's

> > ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond because I'm

> in a

> > bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to hear good

> > news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites that

> deal

> > strictly with explantation that can help provide me with

> information?

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Thanks so much. I actually spoke with one of the doctors listed on your site today, and I found it so comforting. I e-mailed another and she also sounds incredible, too. Imagine doctors who actually ask you to call them on a Saturday, or respond to e-mails you send them over the weekend!! Of course I'll have to travel if I choose one of these doctors, but if I'm going to get these out, then I definitely want someone who is going to carefully remove the implants and the capsules. Since my own plastic surgeon doesn't believe the implants are the cause of the problem, I'm concerned that he won't remove the capsules, or maybe that he'll drain the things before he pulls them out - so I'm pretty much ruling him out. As for hubby, I'm not going to make him part of the decision process because he will totally reject the idea of me going out of state to have this done - but this is my health and my body, and I have to care for it properly.

----- Original Message -----From: mikat828 Subject: Re: New to this site - Have alot of questionsDate: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:08:38 -0000Hi Welcome to our site. You will be glad to know that your symptoms sound like your implants and they are fairly commmon to those of us who got sick from implants. Yes, you can get better by explanting. The majority of women who explant properly get alot better if not entirely better. After explant, the majority of women find that by detoxing their bodies and making changes to their diet they can get better faster. Several women on this site have had the same situation where their husband did not believe that the implants could be the source of their symptoms. Almost always, they came around either before the explant was scheduled or after the explant and they saw that their wife improved. Perhaps it would help to let him read this site. We have alot of good information in our files and just by reading the posts you can learn alot. This is a very supportive group and also a very knowledgeable one. Please feel free to ask whatever questions you may have.I doubt that an infectious disease doctor would be helpful. Many of the women sick from implants have normal bloodwork, even though feeling quite sick. Even if you are diagnosed with a particular disease, they most likely will think it is not related to implants. What did your ps say? Did he think your implants were causing your illness? Most PS don't believe that and most women do not go to the implanting ps to get an explant for that very reason. Make sure you go to a really good plastic surgeon who will remove them properly. The implants need to be removed "en bloc". That means removing not only the the implants but the capsules formed around them as well without spilling the contents of the implant inside you. We have a list of plastic surgeons that we can recommend who should do the job correctly. I am glad that you have recognized so quickly that the implants are making you sick. Don't let anyone talk you out of that belief. The longer you leave them in, the more symptoms you will develop. We have all been in your shoes. The good news is that you CAN get better!Hugs, kathy> Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4 months > ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started swelling up. > I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually spread to my > legs, which eventually turned into "zingers" of little sharp pains > throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting sore. I saw > my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has pretty > much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that I've got him > listening to the fact that my immune system is causing these > problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor before I > have an explant. He's worried that I might have an explant, only to > find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told him it seems > pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and then two > weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to make sure > this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the medical > community embraces the possibility of implants causing these > problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious Disease doctor, > that he/she will not support the possibility of it being the > implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey or New York > who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on implants? Also, > is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then eventually > returned to normal after explant? I have never been this terrified > in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery. It's > ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond because I'm in a > bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to hear good > news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites that deal > strictly with explantation that can help provide me with information?

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Thanks, and I appreciate your help. I was in the midst of a panic

attack regarding the symptoms I'm having when I typed up the original

message. I've got saline implants. I spoke to one of the

recommended doctors today and I'm so thankful to have spoken to a

doctor who acknowledges the implants are the problem.

> Honey:

>

> We are not here to frighten anyone. We try to give support and ask

that the

> ladies do some research on breast implants before they make the

decision to

> explant. What kind of breast implants do you have saline or

silicone?

>

> Please read my story at

http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/lea.html , My

> story will continue when I get well.

>

> Good luck. Most women do get well after removal.....love

always.....Lea

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``

> New to this site - Have alot of questions

>

>

> > Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4 months

> > ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started swelling

up.

> > I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually spread to my

> > legs, which eventually turned into " zingers " of little sharp pains

> > throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting sore. I

saw

> > my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has pretty

> > much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that I've got

him

> > listening to the fact that my immune system is causing these

> > problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor

before I

> > have an explant. He's worried that I might have an explant, only

to

> > find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told him it

seems

> > pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and then

two

> > weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to make sure

> > this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the medical

> > community embraces the possibility of implants causing these

> > problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious Disease

doctor,

> > that he/she will not support the possibility of it being the

> > implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey or New

York

> > who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on implants?

Also,

> > is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then eventually

> > returned to normal after explant? I have never been this

terrified

> > in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery. It's

> > ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond because I'm

in a

> > bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to hear good

> > news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites that

deal

> > strictly with explantation that can help provide me with

information?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by

> > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed

> > health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live

> > a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

ing,

> > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >

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Hi, I was wondering if you exersize? I would try walking and working

your way up to a fast walk. Then stretch for 15 min after. I had the

same problems with my arms, and now I do exersizes to losen the

muscles. I have muscle spasms in my right breast, and it has not

dropped into it's normal position.I realize that having surgery is a

shock to the body, so I am doing everything possible to give my

breast implants time to adjust. Don't give up, fight it with any

suggestions you may receive. It's just a suggestion, and I hope

it works for you. Let me know, Susie

--- In , " auntsisnj " <auntsisnj@l...>

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> Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4 months

> ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started swelling

up.

> I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually spread to my

> legs, which eventually turned into " zingers " of little sharp pains

> throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting sore. I

saw

> my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has pretty

> much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that I've got him

> listening to the fact that my immune system is causing these

> problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor before

I

> have an explant. He's worried that I might have an explant, only

to

> find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told him it

seems

> pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and then two

> weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to make sure

> this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the medical

> community embraces the possibility of implants causing these

> problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious Disease

doctor,

> that he/she will not support the possibility of it being the

> implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey or New

York

> who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on implants?

Also,

> is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then eventually

> returned to normal after explant? I have never been this terrified

> in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery. It's

> ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond because I'm in

a

> bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to hear good

> news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites that deal

> strictly with explantation that can help provide me with

information?

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Hi there, and welcome to our group,

It would be nicer for you if you didn't have to be here, actually,

as none of us wanted to go through implant associated illnesses, but

I hope we can help you and give you some encouragement about your

healing prospects. Your symptoms don't sound good. Meaning, they

sound pretty much like implant related problems. The " zinging "

sounds pretty familiar, as neurological issues are extremely common

among implanted women. Things happen also like numbness and

tingling, or muscle spasms, or creepy crawly feelings, or a cold

creeping up the leg, things like that. I also had an arm go totally

lifeless one morning as I was getting out of bed. It was pretty

frightening.

The good news is that you can get rid of all of these symptoms, or

at least have a pretty good chance of getting back to normal once

the implants are removed. Your husband's response sounded like

mine. When I first got sick, I thought I was getting Multiple

Sclerosis, because of my neurological symptoms. I had brain fog and

numbness and tingling pretty bad. I was so scared I was getting this

dreaded disease. My husband wanted me to go to a neurologist after

I was clued into the idea that the breast implants might be the

cause of my symptoms, because, like your husband, he didn't want me

to get the implants out, only to find out it was " something else. "

I guess he was more attached to them than I originally realized! At

any rate, I did all the driving for consultations myself (a two hour

drive to another city) and went ahead and scheduled explant on my

own. I had made up my mind that I did not want the blasted things in

my body if they were going to ruin my life. He finally realized it

was the best thing I could have done for myself, but it took awhile.

Now I am very much back to my old self. It has taken me a very long

time to get my health back, but I did it. You can too. You just

have to persevere and know what you want and know what you believe

is possible. We have found that removing the implants, detoxing,

and paying attention to a healthy lifestyle is a very good

combination for regaining health.

You are right in wondering if the medical community will recognize

your problems as being implant related. Sadly, almost all doctors do

not. It is pretty frustrating, and can be quite despairing when you

are desperate for answers. But that is why we are here. We are a

group of women suffering the same types of symptoms and finding ways

to feel better and get our lives back, whether the doctors want to

go there with us or not. Most of us have to do this on our own.

But it works! It has worked for many of us.

The first step is implant removal, done properly and by an

understanding, knowledgeable plastic surgeon. Once you've gone

through explant, you can begin your journey of healing. We'll be

here to help you along.

God bless,

let us know what else you need for help.

Patty

--- In , " auntsisnj " <auntsisnj@l...>

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> Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4 months

> ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started swelling

up.

> I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually spread to my

> legs, which eventually turned into " zingers " of little sharp pains

> throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting sore. I

saw

> my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has pretty

> much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that I've got

him

> listening to the fact that my immune system is causing these

> problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor before

I

> have an explant. He's worried that I might have an explant, only

to

> find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told him it

seems

> pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and then

two

> weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to make sure

> this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the medical

> community embraces the possibility of implants causing these

> problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious Disease

doctor,

> that he/she will not support the possibility of it being the

> implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey or New

York

> who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on implants?

Also,

> is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then eventually

> returned to normal after explant? I have never been this

terrified

> in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery. It's

> ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond because I'm

in a

> bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to hear good

> news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites that

deal

> strictly with explantation that can help provide me with

information?

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We've got a list in our files section.

Patty

> > > Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4

months

> > > ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started

swelling

> > up.

> > > I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually spread

to

> my

> > > legs, which eventually turned into " zingers " of little sharp

> pains

> > > throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting

sore. I

> > saw

> > > my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has

> pretty

> > > much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that I've

got

> > him

> > > listening to the fact that my immune system is causing these

> > > problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor

> before

> > I

> > > have an explant. He's worried that I might have an explant,

only

> > to

> > > find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told him it

> > seems

> > > pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and

then

> > two

> > > weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to make

sure

> > > this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the

medical

> > > community embraces the possibility of implants causing these

> > > problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious Disease

> > doctor,

> > > that he/she will not support the possibility of it being the

> > > implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey or

New

> > York

> > > who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on

implants?

> > Also,

> > > is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then eventually

> > > returned to normal after explant? I have never been this

> > terrified

> > > in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery.

It's

> > > ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond because

I'm

> > in a

> > > bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to hear

good

> > > news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites that

> > deal

> > > strictly with explantation that can help provide me with

> > information?

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Your intuitions are great....follow them!

Patty

> > Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4

months

> > ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started swelling

> up.

> > I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually spread

to my

> > legs, which eventually turned into " zingers " of little sharp

pains

> > throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting

sore. I

> saw

> > my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has

pretty

> > much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that I've got

> him

> > listening to the fact that my immune system is causing these

> > problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor

before

> I

> > have an explant. He's worried that I might have an explant,

only

> to

> > find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told him it

> seems

> > pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and then

> two

> > weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to make

sure

> > this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the

medical

> > community embraces the possibility of implants causing these

> > problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious Disease

> doctor,

> > that he/she will not support the possibility of it being the

> > implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey or New

> York

> > who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on implants?

> Also,

> > is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then eventually

> > returned to normal after explant? I have never been this

> terrified

> > in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery.

It's

> > ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond because

I'm

> in a

> > bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to hear

good

> > news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites that

> deal

> > strictly with explantation that can help provide me with

> information?

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by

> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead

> you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

about

> how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus

> ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

>

>

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HI. I was gone over the weekend. I am glad to hear that you have

already spoken to some plastic surgeons! You sound like you are on

top of things. I agree with you about your ps--if he doesn't

believe they are making you sick, he may very well cut corners. we

have had ps lie about taking out the capsule when they really

didn't. Also, I agree about your husband. It is your body and you

have to be the final authority about how you handle it. After all,

you are the one who will live with the consequences--not your

husband. Let us know when you schedule the surgery and please feel

free to ask any other questions you might have.

Hugs, kathy

-- In , " Sis Canfield " <auntsisnj@l...>

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> Thanks so much. I actually spoke with one of the doctors listed

on your

> site today, and I found it so comforting. I e-mailed another and

she

> also sounds incredible, too. Imagine doctors who actually ask you

to

> call them on a Saturday, or respond to e-mails you send them over

the

> weekend!! Of course I'll have to travel if I choose one of these

> doctors, but if I'm going to get these out, then I definitely want

> someone who is going to carefully remove the implants and the

capsules.

> Since my own plastic surgeon doesn't believe the implants are the

cause

> of the problem, I'm concerned that he won't remove the capsules,

or maybe

> that he'll drain the things before he pulls them out - so I'm

pretty much

> ruling him out. As for hubby, I'm not going to make him part of

the

> decision process because he will totally reject the idea of me

going out

> of state to have this done - but this is my health and my body,

and I

> have to care for it properly.

>

> Re: New to this site - Have alot of

> questions

> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:08:38 -0000

>

>

> Hi

> Welcome to our site. You will be glad to know that your symptoms

> sound like your implants and they are fairly commmon to those of

us

> who got sick from implants. Yes, you can get better by

explanting.

> The majority of women who explant properly get alot better if not

> entirely better. After explant, the majority of women find that

by

> detoxing their bodies and making changes to their diet they can

get

> better faster. Several women on this site have had the same

> situation where their husband did not believe that the implants

> could be the source of their symptoms. Almost always, they came

> around either before the explant was scheduled or after the

explant

> and they saw that their wife improved. Perhaps it would help to

let

> him read this site. We have alot of good information in our

files

> and just by reading the posts you can learn alot. This is a very

> supportive group and also a very knowledgeable one. Please feel

> free to ask whatever questions you may have.

> I doubt that an infectious disease doctor would be helpful.

Many of

> the women sick from implants have normal bloodwork, even though

> feeling quite sick. Even if you are diagnosed with a particular

> disease, they most likely will think it is not related to

implants.

> What did your ps say? Did he think your implants were causing

your

> illness? Most PS don't believe that and most women do not go to

the

> implanting ps to get an explant for that very reason. Make sure

you

> go to a really good plastic surgeon who will remove them

properly.

> The implants need to be removed " en bloc " . That means removing

not

> only the the implants but the capsules formed around them as well

> without spilling the contents of the implant inside you. We

have a

> list of plastic surgeons that we can recommend who should do the

job

> correctly.

> I am glad that you have recognized so quickly that the implants

are

> making you sick. Don't let anyone talk you out of that belief.

The

> longer you leave them in, the more symptoms you will develop.

> We have all been in your shoes. The good news is that you CAN

get

> better!

> Hugs, kathy

>

>

>

>

> > Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4

months

> > ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started swelling

> up.

> > I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually spread

to my

> > legs, which eventually turned into " zingers " of little sharp

pains

> > throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting

sore. I

> saw

> > my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has

pretty

> > much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that I've got

> him

> > listening to the fact that my immune system is causing these

> > problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor

before

> I

> > have an explant. He's worried that I might have an explant,

only

> to

> > find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told him it

> seems

> > pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and then

> two

> > weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to make

sure

> > this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the

medical

> > community embraces the possibility of implants causing these

> > problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious Disease

> doctor,

> > that he/she will not support the possibility of it being the

> > implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey or New

> York

> > who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on implants?

> Also,

> > is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then eventually

> > returned to normal after explant? I have never been this

> terrified

> > in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery.

It's

> > ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond because

I'm

> in a

> > bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to hear

good

> > news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites that

> deal

> > strictly with explantation that can help provide me with

> information?

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by

> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead

> you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

about

> how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus

> ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

>

>

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I have scheduled surgery with Dr. Feng on October 5th. Over the course of the last week or two, I've declined quite a bit. I was feeling poorly before, but now I'm really struggling. I'm worried that I'll get so bad that I won't survive until then. I notice that my veins in my hands look like they are bulging, my arms and fingers are sore, and my head is throbbing. A few months ago, when I first started feeling ill, one of the veins in my finger swelled to the point where it turned black and blue, so obviously I'm worried that this will occur again somewhere in my body and I won't be able to take anything to help it. In the past, it was my legs that bothered me, but it seems to have migrated to my arms now. Advil always seems to help, but I can't take Advil before the surgery. I'm not crazy about Tylenol - but if that's my only option then it'll have to do.

Re: New to this site - Have alot of> questions> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 04:08:38 -0000> > > Hi> Welcome to our site. You will be glad to know that your symptoms> sound like your implants and they are fairly commmon to those of us> who got sick from implants. Yes, you can get better by explanting. > The majority of women who explant properly get alot better if not> entirely better. After explant, the majority of women find that by> detoxing their bodies and making changes to their diet they can get> better faster. Several women on this site have had the same> situation where their husband did not believe that the implants> could be the source of their symptoms. Almost always, they came> around either before the explant was scheduled or after the explant> and they saw that their wife improved. Perhaps it would help to let> him read this site. We have alot of good information in our files> and just by reading the posts you can learn alot. This is a very> supportive group and also a very knowledgeable one. Please feel> free to ask whatever questions you may have.> I doubt that an infectious disease doctor would be helpful. Many of> the women sick from implants have normal bloodwork, even though> feeling quite sick. Even if you are diagnosed with a particular> disease, they most likely will think it is not related to implants. > What did your ps say? Did he think your implants were causing your> illness? Most PS don't believe that and most women do not go to the> implanting ps to get an explant for that very reason. Make sure you> go to a really good plastic surgeon who will remove them properly. > The implants need to be removed "en bloc". That means removing not> only the the implants but the capsules formed around them as well> without spilling the contents of the implant inside you. We have a> list of plastic surgeons that we can recommend who should do the job> correctly. > I am glad that you have recognized so quickly that the implants are> making you sick. Don't let anyone talk you out of that belief. The> longer you leave them in, the more symptoms you will develop. > We have all been in your shoes. The good news is that you CAN get> better!> Hugs, kathy> > > > > > Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4 months> > ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started swelling> up. > > I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually spread to my> > legs, which eventually turned into "zingers" of little sharp pains> > throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting sore. I> saw> > my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has pretty> > much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that I've got> him> > listening to the fact that my immune system is causing these> > problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor before> I> > have an explant. He's worried that I might have an explant, only> to> > find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told him it> seems> > pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and then> two> > weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to make sure> > this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the medical> > community embraces the possibility of implants causing these> > problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious Disease> doctor,> > that he/she will not support the possibility of it being the> > implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey or New> York> > who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on implants? > Also,> > is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then eventually> > returned to normal after explant? I have never been this> terrified> > in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery. It's> > ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond because I'm> in a> > bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to hear good> > news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites that> deal> > strictly with explantation that can help provide me with> information?> > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical> treatment.> > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead> you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about> how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus> ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> >

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I went through the same thing just before my surgery. I think the last

4 weeks were the worst ever! I saw Dr. Feng on the 21st of June, and

had my surgery the 22nd. Once i got to her office I started to feel

different, almost a little excited. I think the adrenaline kicks in

once you realize that you are almost through with the whole mess. The

staff at her office arewonderful, and they are very in touch with how

us implant victims feel. they know how ill we truly are. You will make

it through to your surgery date, even without the advil! Once you

start taking your Vita-Medica that will change the way you are feeling

also. The vitamins are great! I know exactly how you are feeling right

now, hang in there, it's almost over! You are closer han you feel.

Hugs,

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Thanks so much. I swear I am on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Now I'm nauseaus after I eat, and I've dropped 10 lbs since May. I was 125 pre-BA, and 115 now. My biggest fear is that I'll still feel horrible after the surgery, or that I'll feel worse. I won't miss the boobs, I just want relief. I also have herpes and after the BA that became totally uncontrollable, the medication that kept it in check for years suddenly stopped working. I figured that was because my immune system is going crazy. I hope that goes back to normal eventually, too.

----- Original Message -----From: ktitko Subject: Re: New to this site - Have alot of questionsDate: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:50:05 -0000I went through the same thing just before my surgery. I think the last 4 weeks were the worst ever! I saw Dr. Feng on the 21st of June, and had my surgery the 22nd. Once i got to her office I started to feel different, almost a little excited. I think the adrenaline kicks in once you realize that you are almost through with the whole mess. The staff at her office arewonderful, and they are very in touch with how us implant victims feel. they know how ill we truly are. You will make it through to your surgery date, even without the advil! Once you start taking your Vita-Medica that will change the way you are feeling also. The vitamins are great! I know exactly how you are feeling right now, hang in there, it's almost over! You are closer han you feel.Hugs,

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Hang in there. I too felt like I was going to die before I got my

implants out. My heart was skipping so many beats and beating so

fast I thought she wouldn't let me go through with the surgery. But

I went, she did the surgery, and I felt fine afterward. I had a

great recovery. Everything went without a hitch. I am praying it

will be the same for you. I think you are right about the implants

messing with your immune system and causing the meds not to work for

the herpes. Olive leaf extract is supposed to work against herpes.

And the miracle 2 neutralizer that I was talking about in a post an

hour ago. I think you will find that getting your implants out will

help you immeasurably.

Hugs, kathy

> Thanks so much. I swear I am on the verge of a nervous

breakdown. Now

> I'm nauseaus after I eat, and I've dropped 10 lbs since May. I

was 125

> pre-BA, and 115 now. My biggest fear is that I'll still feel

horrible

> after the surgery, or that I'll feel worse. I won't miss the

boobs, I

> just want relief. I also have herpes and after the BA that became

> totally uncontrollable, the medication that kept it in check for

years

> suddenly stopped working. I figured that was because my immune

system is

> going crazy. I hope that goes back to normal eventually, too.

>

> Re: New to this site - Have alot of

> questions

> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 12:50:05 -0000

>

> I went through the same thing just before my surgery. I think the

> last

> 4 weeks were the worst ever! I saw Dr. Feng on the 21st of June,

and

> had my surgery the 22nd. Once i got to her office I started to

feel

> different, almost a little excited. I think the adrenaline kicks

in

> once you realize that you are almost through with the whole

mess. The

> staff at her office arewonderful, and they are very in touch

with how

> us implant victims feel. they know how ill we truly are. You will

> make

> it through to your surgery date, even without the advil! Once you

> start taking your Vita-Medica that will change the way you are

> feeling

> also. The vitamins are great! I know exactly how you are feeling

> right

> now, hang in there, it's almost over! You are closer han you

feel.

>

> Hugs,

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by

> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead

> you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

about

> how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus

> ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

>

>

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October 5th will be here soon. Hang in there. Dr. Feng is

outstanding. She will take good care of you!

Best wishes on a hugely successful outcome and quick resolution of

your symptoms. We've been there...be patient and stay hopeful.

Your almost back on the road to health!

Hugs,

Patty

> > > Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4

> months

> > > ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started

swelling

> > up.

> > > I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually

spread

> to my

> > > legs, which eventually turned into " zingers " of little

sharp

> pains

> > > throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting

> sore. I

> > saw

> > > my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has

> pretty

> > > much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that

I've got

> > him

> > > listening to the fact that my immune system is causing

these

> > > problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor

> before

> > I

> > > have an explant. He's worried that I might have an

explant,

> only

> > to

> > > find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told

him it

> > seems

> > > pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and

then

> > two

> > > weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to

make

> sure

> > > this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the

> medical

> > > community embraces the possibility of implants causing

these

> > > problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious

Disease

> > doctor,

> > > that he/she will not support the possibility of it being

the

> > > implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey

or New

> > York

> > > who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on

implants?

> > Also,

> > > is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then

eventually

> > > returned to normal after explant? I have never been this

> > terrified

> > > in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery.

> It's

> > > ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond

because

> I'm

> > in a

> > > bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to

hear

> good

> > > news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites

that

> > deal

> > > strictly with explantation that can help provide me with

> > information?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given by

> > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > licensed health care professional before commencing any

medical

> > treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead

> > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> about

> > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better

world. " -

> Linus

> > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> Peace)

> >

> >

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Thanks. Today I was e-mailing with a friend who has implants, and she told me not to listen to other people's stories because then I'd start imagining symptoms. I told her I had the symptoms long before I ever heard anyone else's stories. Don't know what it is about some women with implants that makes them adamant that anyone with problems is imagining things. Anyway, I got my package from Dr. Feng today, complete with pre-surgical vitamins that I can't take!! I have to call her office and break the news, oddly enough I just had vitamin A toxicity - which seemed to be causing my joint swelling and numb fingers because when I stopped taking 10,000 units of vitamin A, I felt alot better, and I stopped feeling like I was at death's door. I still have the shooting pains throughout my body, this incredible anxious feeling and sore lymph nodes, which I've had since I got the BA, but I'm thankful that the vitamin A caused the joint swelling because I was terrified of being stuck with arthritis because of these implants. Got bloodwork back from my regular MD and no signs of rheumathoid artiritis. I honestly can't wait to have a small chest again, it was so much easier finding clothes. Not that my implants are huge, it's just that I have a certain style of dressing and it just didn't look the same with boobs. I'm glad I never bonded with them, I've always been angry at them for making things so complicated. . ----- Original Message -----From: "glory2glory1401" Subject: Re: New to this site - Have alot of questionsDate: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 13:42:17 -0000October 5th will be here soon. Hang in there. Dr. Feng is outstanding. She will take good care of you!Best wishes on a hugely successful outcome and quick resolution of your symptoms. We've been there...be patient and stay hopeful. Your almost back on the road to health!Hugs,Patty> > > Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4> months> > > ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started swelling> > up.> > > I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually spread> to my> > > legs, which eventually turned into "zingers" of little sharp> pains> > > throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting> sore. I> > saw> > > my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has> pretty> > > much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that I've got> > him> > > listening to the fact that my immune system is causing these> > > problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor> before> > I> > > have an explant. He's worried that I might have an explant,> only> > to> > > find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told him it> > seems> > > pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and then> > two> > > weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to make> sure> > > this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the> medical> > > community embraces the possibility of implants causing these> > > problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious Disease> > doctor,> > > that he/she will not support the possibility of it being the> > > implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey or New> > York> > > who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on implants?> > Also,> > > is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then eventually> > > returned to normal after explant? I have never been this> > terrified> > > in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery. > It's> > > ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond because> I'm> > in a> > > bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to hear> good> > > news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites that> > deal> > > strictly with explantation that can help provide me with> > information?> >> >> >> >> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice> given by> > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or> > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical> > treatment.> >> > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians> mislead> > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions> about> > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." -> Linus> > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,> Peace)> >> >

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Thanks for sharing about the vitamin A toxicity. some people aren't

aware of this or think they have to be taking megadoses for it to

occur. How long have you been taking vitamin A? People can die

from overdose so it is important for us to know which vitamins can

build up in our system--vitamin D can also. When is your surgery

scheduled? I bet you can't wait!

Hugs, kathy

> > > > Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got

implants 4

> > months

> > > > ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started

> swelling

> > > up.

> > > > I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually

> spread

> > to my

> > > > legs, which eventually turned into " zingers " of little

> sharp

> > pains

> > > > throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are

getting

> > sore. I

> > > saw

> > > > my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My

husband has

> > pretty

> > > > much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that

> I've got

> > > him

> > > > listening to the fact that my immune system is causing

> these

> > > > problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease

doctor

> > before

> > > I

> > > > have an explant. He's worried that I might have an

> explant,

> > only

> > > to

> > > > find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told

> him it

> > > seems

> > > > pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery,

and

> then

> > > two

> > > > weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to

> make

> > sure

> > > > this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if

the

> > medical

> > > > community embraces the possibility of implants causing

> these

> > > > problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious

> Disease

> > > doctor,

> > > > that he/she will not support the possibility of it

being

> the

> > > > implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New

Jersey

> or New

> > > York

> > > > who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on

> implants?

> > > Also,

> > > > is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then

> eventually

> > > > returned to normal after explant? I have never been

this

> > > terrified

> > > > in my life, and am kicking myself for having this

surgery.

> > It's

> > > > ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond

> because

> > I'm

> > > in a

> > > > bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to

> hear

> > good

> > > > news stories regarding explantation. Are there any

sites

> that

> > > deal

> > > > strictly with explantation that can help provide me

with

> > > information?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

advice

> > given by

> > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your

physician or

> > > licensed health care professional before commencing any

> medical

> > > treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

politicians

> > mislead

> > > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions

> > about

> > > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better

> world. " -

> > Linus

> > > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry;

1963,

> > Peace)

> > >

> > >

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I was taking 10,000 units per day, which apparently can be toxic. Luckily I'm pretty in tune with my body and had been trying to stay aware of any vitamin related changes. At first there were some positives (that anxious feeling seemed to fade). I believe I was on the vitamins for about 2 or 3 weeks before I started noticing drastic changes, the worst being swelling joints and throbbing finger tips, a dizzy feeling and my head suddenly started throbbing. I could barely function and was nauseaus. It only took one night without them for me to notice changes. Of course as soon as I stopped taking them the anxious feeling came back, but at least I can function. My surgery is scheduled for October 5th. I had the implants put in on 5/10, and I'm having them out on 10/5 - kind of ironic, huh? I notice I'm fluctuating quite a bit in how I feel about the surgery. Last night I was like "I can't wait to get them out". Today I was thinking "what if the symptoms I'm having don't go away or if it's something else and I make it worse?". This whole experience has been one great big roller coaster ride, and what I keep going back to is "yes, but I don't like the fact that they are in my body, and if I don't have that surgery, that will not change". I remember when I first got the implants, I'd go on the site that's in favor of them, and I would think "this is one club I wish I hadn't joined". I knew immediately that I had made a mistake. ----- Original Message -----From: mikat828 Subject: Re: New to this site - Have alot of questionsDate: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 02:37:59 -0000Thanks for sharing about the vitamin A toxicity. some people aren't aware of this or think they have to be taking megadoses for it to occur. How long have you been taking vitamin A? People can die from overdose so it is important for us to know which vitamins can build up in our system--vitamin D can also. When is your surgery scheduled? I bet you can't wait!Hugs, kathy> > > > Hi. This is my first post to this site. I got implants 4> > months> > > > ago. At about 2 weeks post op, my lymph nodes started> swelling> > > up.> > > > I also had muscle spasms in my feet, which eventually> spread> > to my> > > > legs, which eventually turned into "zingers" of little> sharp> > pains> > > > throughout my body. Now my fingers and toes are getting> > sore. I> > > saw> > > > my PS yesterday and discussed explantation. My husband has> > pretty> > > > much treated me like I'm a hypochondriac, and now that> I've got> > > him> > > > listening to the fact that my immune system is causing> these> > > > problems, he wants me to go to an Infectious Disease doctor> > before> > > I> > > > have an explant. He's worried that I might have an> explant,> > only> > > to> > > > find out that it wasn't the implants after all. I told> him it> > > seems> > > > pretty clear to me that I was fine before the surgery, and> then> > > two> > > > weeks later started having problems, but he wants me to> make> > sure> > > > this is the reason for my problems. I don't know if the> > medical> > > > community embraces the possibility of implants causing> these> > > > problems, so I'm expecting when I visit an Infectious> Disease> > > doctor,> > > > that he/she will not support the possibility of it being> the> > > > implants. Does anyone know of any doctors in New Jersey> or New> > > York> > > > who aren't completely blinded by the FDA's stance on> implants?> > > Also,> > > > is there anyone who has had these symptoms and then> eventually> > > > returned to normal after explant? I have never been this> > > terrified> > > > in my life, and am kicking myself for having this surgery.> > It's> > > > ruined my life. Please take care in how you respond> because> > I'm> > > in a> > > > bit of a fragile state at the moment, and I'm hoping to> hear> > good> > > > news stories regarding explantation. Are there any sites> that> > > deal> > > > strictly with explantation that can help provide me with> > > information?> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice> > given by> > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or> > > licensed health care professional before commencing any> medical> > > treatment.> > >> > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians> > mislead> > > you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions> > about> > > how to live a happy life and how to work for a better> world." -> > Linus> > > ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,> > Peace)> > >> > >

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Vitamins A, D, E and K are fat soluable . . . They can

build up in your body . . . The rest are water

soluable and need to be increased when doing detoxes

that cause sweating.

Rogene

--- mikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks for sharing about the vitamin A toxicity.

> some people aren't

> aware of this or think they have to be taking

> megadoses for it to

> occur. How long have you been taking vitamin A?

> People can die

> from overdose so it is important for us to know

> which vitamins can

> build up in our system--vitamin D can also. When is

> your surgery

> scheduled? I bet you can't wait!

> Hugs, kathy

>

>

>

>

> > > > Thanks so much. I actually spoke with one

> of the doctors

> > listed

> > > on your

>

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Sis,

You're not making a mistake . . . I think we've all

had thoughts like you though . . . It's a lot of

expense and trouble to go through - especially if we

don't get better. However, we've seen hundreds of

women who have gotten much better after explant.

It may take time, discipline and patience . . . But

it's well worth it all!

You will too!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

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