Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Dr. Kolb has taken a lot of critism for her wholistic approach to treating implant women . . . Some people would make some really big problems for her. IMHO, if the other doctors would take an interest in helping sick implanted women, she could stick to plastic surgery . . . But they don't and won't. So she does. More power to her! Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Molly, Wouldn't it be wonderful if there was a melding of conventional and alternative medicine? . . . However, one of the reasons we have a problem is that conventional medicine has a very large lobby, and a very vested interest in keeping us sick by treating the symptoms, not the cause of our illness. Think of how little doctors would make if they required every patient to attend a course on nutrition and self-help! . . . My last primary care doctor gave up her practice to practice emergency care part time. I've been wondering if she lost faith in conventional medicine too. She recommended that I see a naturopath so I could address my nutritional/Candida issues! Hugs, Rogene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Patty, I agree with you 100%. No medical doctor was able to help with the various “diseases” I had. They kept throwing bigger and better drugs at me. It was only through rigorous detoxing that I gained my health back. I am healthier now than I have ever been in my entire life and it is 100% through detoxing and proper supplementation. When my MD first saw me 13 years ago for a sinus infection, his first thought was that I had eating disorders because I was so sickly and thin. He is amazed now at how well I am. I have tried to explain to him why I am well but he doesn’t seem to get it, or doesn’t want to. Kenda Detoxing is such a modern idea that totally works, I can't imagine any doctor not at least suggesting it! Especially with a foreign object in the body, which is always attempted to be broken down by the immune system and releasing man made chemicals into the body. I guess I feel that any doctor who isn't at least aware of the value of detoxing and/or supporting the body through an experience such as explantation has got their head in the sand, or isn't up to snuff on what they should be up to snuff on. The human body is a whole system, and not just parts that can be tweaked and messed with without affecting everything else. I have heard that Dr. Feng does suggest supplementation of certain things, so I don't think she is totally unaware of the value of supportive efforts to heal. However, I am disappointed in general with our medical professionals though. So many of them just have tunnel vision and biased minds against anything to do with natural therapies, which are, of course, the very things that have worked to get our health back. Patty --- In , " MollyBloom54 " <jawlaw93@y...> wrote: > That sounds like the Kolb I know. I can't see her recommending implants if she thinks it > would be a danger. The protocol she uses is unique to her - I believe. I don't know for a > fact, but women have told me that neither Feng nor Melmed suggest detoxing. > I personally think it only makes sense. Many of the things she recommends I have found to > be helpful. > > --- In , " Cheryl " <sunbum256@a...> wrote: > > Hi Val, > > Just wanted to reassure you...Dr. Kolb definately will NOT recommend > > implants for you, if you are ill from previous implants. I practically > > begged her to reimplant, but she stood firm that I was too ill and she > > would not reimplant. When I emailed Dr. Melmed, around same time I saw > > Dr. Kolb, he doesn't recommend/suggest ANY detoxing. If you feel you > > need to detox, IMO, stick w/Dr. Kolb, her protocol works & she knows > > what she's talking about! > > Cheryl Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Patty, Outstanding description of detoxing! Thanks! Rogene --- glory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: > That sure is a good start! > Detoxing involves three efforts: > 1) to stop putting things in the body that are > toxic, or increase > burdens of toxicity (such as foods with lots of > preservatives, dead > foods such as white flour, white sugar products, > sodas, tap water > that is chlorine and/or flouride laden, meats laden > with hormones > and/or chemicals, using alot of chemically based > hygiene products > such as tanning lotions and creams, and just plain > exposing yourself > to toxic fumes and other noxious things.) > > 2)to help coax the body into dumping its toxic > burden that is > already there from many years of exposures to toxins > in our daily > life. This means taking steps that focus on > cleansing the liver, > cleansing the bowel, cleansing the kidneys, which > are our main > eliminative organs. If these are working in top > shape, then they can > continue to eliminate effectively and efficiently. > > 3) and finally to build up health with good, pure, > nutrient dense > foods that also cleanse the body, such as enzyme and > vitamin/mineral > rich juices and plant foods. > > To begin a detox program, I would look for some > books that outline a > step by step routine that you can implement. There > are books out > there specifically for that, such a 's > " 7 Day Detox > Miracle " or, for dieter's, Gittleman's " Fat Flush > Plan " . These will > give you some good ideas to get you started so that > you can continue > a program at your own pace on a regular basis. > Detoxing is a > lifestyle that you learn to implement in your life. > Toxins abound > daily. So, once you learn the basics of helping to > cleanse these > organs, you can implement ideas that continue to > support them on a > regular basis. > > For instance, you can do a bowel cleanse to start. > This might > involve doing some enemas or some high fiber eating > to get things > moving out and clearing the path. Dr. Bernard > Jensen's book gives > good ideas on this. Some of these programs are hard > to follow. It > takes tenacity. But once you've got that cleaned > out, you will want > to eat right to keep things moving along and avoid > further toxicity. > > After you've done the bowel cleanse, then you can do > a liver cleanse > to get that in tip top shape. It is also called a > liver flush, and > there are several recipes for that. Pick one that > you are > comfortable with, (they are some intense ones or > some very mild > ones), and after you have done that, make sure you > get on some > supportive liver supplements such as milk thistle, > alpha lipoic acid > or N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC for short). Swedish > bitters are also good > for the liver. Herbal teas, such as dandelion,are > great for the > liver. Bitter herbs, like garlic and onion, are > great liver > supporters! > > There are things you can do for the kidneys--drink > lots of water, > take kidney cleansing herbs, such as uva ursi. > > There are things you can do for the lymph > system....jump rope or use > a mini trampoline, drink lots of water.. > > There are things you can do for the skin, another > major eliminative > organ....an infrared sauna is great to get your body > sweating and > dumping things through the skin. A rash or acne is > your body's way > of eliminating things through the skin when the > other pathways > aren't working as well. DRink lots of water! > > Exercise can get you breathing hard, which is good > for detoxing the > lungs. Have you ever noticed after alot of exertion > that you begin > coughing? This is your lungs clearing thing out. > Deep breathing is > important for the lungs! And drink lots of water! > > So, those are the main points. There are many, many > things you can > do to implement a detox program. The key is to take > it a little at a > time so that you don't feel overwhelmed. Step by > step, day by day, > you will begin to see results. And then it becomes > a way of life. > > Supplements are important, but bad quality > supplements can actually > do more harm than good. So, I don't stress the > supplements as much > as the proper lifestyle of eating and taking care of > the organs. > But supplements do have their place, especially when > we are sick and > in need of extra boosts, and can't possibly get all > the nutrients we > need from our foods. > > I hope this helps you! > Patty > > > > > > Detoxing is such a modern idea that totally > works, I can't > imagine > > > any doctor not at least suggesting it! > Especially with a > foreign > > > object in the body, which is always attempted to > be broken down > by > > > the immune system and releasing man made > chemicals into the > body. > > > > > > I guess I feel that any doctor who isn't at > least aware of the > value > > > of detoxing and/or supporting the body through > an experience > such as > > > explantation has got their head in the sand, or > isn't up to > snuff on > > > what they should be up to snuff on. The human > body is a whole > > > system, and not just parts that can be tweaked > and messed with > > > without affecting everything else. > > > > > > I have heard that Dr. Feng does suggest > supplementation of > certain > > > things, so I don't think she is totally unaware > of the value of > > > supportive efforts to heal. However, I am > disappointed in > general > > > with our medical professionals though. So many > of them just > have > > > tunnel vision and biased minds against anything > to do with > natural > > > therapies, which are, of course, the very things > that have > worked to > > > get our health back. > > > > > > Patty > > > > > > --- In , > " MollyBloom54 " > <jawlaw93@y...> > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 thank you Patty for taking the time to send all this great information. I'm a little overwhelmed but will just take it one step at a time. Thanks again, -------------- Original message -------------- That sure is a good start!Detoxing involves three efforts: 1) to stop putting things in the body that are toxic, or increase burdens of toxicity (such as foods with lots of preservatives, dead foods such as white flour, white sugar products, sodas, tap water that is chlorine and/or flouride laden, meats laden with hormones and/or chemicals, using alot of chemically based hygiene products such as tanning lotions and creams, and just plain exposing yourself to toxic fumes and other noxious things.)2)to help coax the body into dumping its toxic burden that is already there from many years of exposures to toxins in our daily life. This means taking steps that focus on cleansing the liver, cleansing the bowel, cleansing the kidneys, which are our main eliminative organs. If these are working in top shape, then they can continue to eliminate effectively and efficiently. 3) and finally to build up health with good, pure, nutrient dense foods that also cleanse the body, such as enzyme and vitamin/mineral rich juices and plant foods.To begin a detox program, I would look for some books that outline a step by step routine that you can implement. There are books out there specifically for that, such a 's "7 Day Detox Miracle" or, for dieter's, Gittleman's "Fat Flush Plan". These will give you some good ideas to get you started so that you can continue a program at your own pace on a regular basis. Detoxing is a lifestyle that you learn to implement in your life. Toxins abound daily. So, once you learn the basics of helping to cleanse these organs, you can implement ideas that continue to support them on a regular basis. For instance, you can do a bowel cleanse to start. This might involve doing some enemas or some high fiber eating to get things moving out and clearing the path. Dr. Bernard Jensen's book gives good ideas on this. Some of these programs are hard to follow. It takes tenacity. But once you've got that cleaned out, you will want to eat right to keep things moving along and avoid further toxicity.After you've done the bowel cleanse, then you can do a liver cleanse to get that in tip top shape. It is also called a liver flush, and there are several recipes for that. Pick one that you are comfortable with, (they are some intense ones or some very mild ones), and after you have done that, make sure you get on some supportive liver supplements such as milk thistle, alpha lipoic acid or N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC for short). Swedish bitters are also good for the liver. Herbal teas, such as dandelion,are great for the liver. Bitter herbs, like garlic and onion, are great liver supporters!There are things you can do for the kidneys--drink lots of water, take kidney cleansing herbs, such as uva ursi. There are things you can do for the lymph system....jump rope or use a mini trampoline, drink lots of water..There are things you can do for the skin, another major eliminative organ....an infrared sauna is great to get your body sweating and dumping things through the skin. A rash or acne is your body's way of eliminating things through the skin when the other pathways aren't working as well. DRink lots of water!Exercise can get you breathing hard, which is good for detoxing the lungs. Have you ever noticed after alot of exertion that you begin coughing? This is your lungs clearing thing out. Deep breathing is important for the lungs! And drink lots of water!So, those are the main points. There are many, many things you can do to implement a detox program. The key is to take it a little at a time so that you don't feel overwhelmed. Step by step, day by day, you will begin to see results. And then it becomes a way of life.Supplements are important, but bad quality supplements can actually do more harm than good. So, I don't stress the supplements as much as the proper lifestyle of eating and taking care of the organs. But supplements do have their place, especially when we are sick and in need of extra boosts, and can't possibly get all the nutrients we need from our foods.I hope this helps you!Patty> > > > Hi Val,> > > > Just wanted to reassure you...Dr. Kolb definately will NOT > > recommend > > > > implants for you, if you are ill from previous implants. I > > practically > > > > begged her to reimplant, but she stood firm that I was too ill > > and she > > > > would not reimplant. When I emailed Dr. Melmed, around same > > time I saw > > > > Dr. Kolb, he doesn't recommend/suggest ANY detoxing. If you > > feel you > > > > need to detox, IMO, stick w/Dr. Kolb, her protocol works & she > > knows > > > > what she's talking about!> > > > Cheryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 How did you start detoxing? I started by cleaning up my diet, drinking lots of water and taking Adva Clear by Metagenics. I took Adva Clear for about three years, along with other supplements Dr. Leu felt I needed. I now take Liver Protect, which is much stronger. I couldn’t tolerate the Liver Protect when I first started. Kenda -- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote: > Patty, > > I agree with you 100%. No medical doctor was able to help with the various > “diseases” I had. They kept throwing bigger and better drugs at me. It was > only through rigorous detoxing that I gained my health back. I am healthier > now than I have ever been in my entire life and it is 100% through detoxing > and proper supplementation. When my MD first saw me 13 years ago for a > sinus infection, his first thought was that I had eating disorders because I > was so sickly and thin. He is amazed now at how well I am. I have tried > to explain to him why I am well but he doesn’t seem to get it, or doesn’t > want to. > > Kenda > > > > Detoxing is such a modern idea that totally works, I can't imagine > > any doctor not at least suggesting it! Especially with a foreign > > object in the body, which is always attempted to be broken down by > > the immune system and releasing man made chemicals into the body. > > > > I guess I feel that any doctor who isn't at least aware of the value > > of detoxing and/or supporting the body through an experience such as > > explantation has got their head in the sand, or isn't up to snuff on > > what they should be up to snuff on. The human body is a whole > > system, and not just parts that can be tweaked and messed with > > without affecting everything else. > > > > I have heard that Dr. Feng does suggest supplementation of certain > > things, so I don't think she is totally unaware of the value of > > supportive efforts to heal. However, I am disappointed in general > > with our medical professionals though. So many of them just have > > tunnel vision and biased minds against anything to do with natural > > therapies, which are, of course, the very things that have worked to > > get our health back. > > > > Patty > > > > > >>> > > Hi Val, > >>> > > Just wanted to reassure you...Dr. Kolb definately will NOT > > recommend > >>> > > implants for you, if you are ill from previous implants. I > > practically > >>> > > begged her to reimplant, but she stood firm that I was too ill > > and she > >>> > > would not reimplant. When I emailed Dr. Melmed, around same > > time I saw > >>> > > Dr. Kolb, he doesn't recommend/suggest ANY detoxing. If you > > feel you > >>> > > need to detox, IMO, stick w/Dr. Kolb, her protocol works & she > > knows > >>> > > what she's talking about! > >>> > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care > > professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 What is Dr. Kolb’s protocol? Kenda I have followed (and am again) DR. Kolb's 'protocol' - is that what you mean by detoxing? > > > Hi Val, > > > Just wanted to reassure you...Dr. Kolb definately will NOT > recommend > > > implants for you, if you are ill from previous implants. I > practically > > > begged her to reimplant, but she stood firm that I was too ill > and she > > > would not reimplant. When I emailed Dr. Melmed, around same > time I saw > > > Dr. Kolb, he doesn't recommend/suggest ANY detoxing. If you > feel you > > > need to detox, IMO, stick w/Dr. Kolb, her protocol works & she > knows > > > what she's talking about! > > > Cheryl Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Hi Patty, As far as supplements go, going with physician-grade supplements is best. I know a lot of people take Wal-Mart or grocery store supplements. The problem is that no one is inspecting or regulating these at all because supplements aren’t regulated. Physician grade supplements are regulated and have inspections voluntarily. Xymogen, for example, has regular inspections of each batch to insure quality and are one of Dr. Leu’s favorite companies. Kenda That sure is a good start! Detoxing involves three efforts: 1) to stop putting things in the body that are toxic, or increase burdens of toxicity (such as foods with lots of preservatives, dead foods such as white flour, white sugar products, sodas, tap water that is chlorine and/or flouride laden, meats laden with hormones and/or chemicals, using alot of chemically based hygiene products such as tanning lotions and creams, and just plain exposing yourself to toxic fumes and other noxious things.) 2)to help coax the body into dumping its toxic burden that is already there from many years of exposures to toxins in our daily life. This means taking steps that focus on cleansing the liver, cleansing the bowel, cleansing the kidneys, which are our main eliminative organs. If these are working in top shape, then they can continue to eliminate effectively and efficiently. 3) and finally to build up health with good, pure, nutrient dense foods that also cleanse the body, such as enzyme and vitamin/mineral rich juices and plant foods. To begin a detox program, I would look for some books that outline a step by step routine that you can implement. There are books out there specifically for that, such a 's " 7 Day Detox Miracle " or, for dieter's, Gittleman's " Fat Flush Plan " . These will give you some good ideas to get you started so that you can continue a program at your own pace on a regular basis. Detoxing is a lifestyle that you learn to implement in your life. Toxins abound daily. So, once you learn the basics of helping to cleanse these organs, you can implement ideas that continue to support them on a regular basis. For instance, you can do a bowel cleanse to start. This might involve doing some enemas or some high fiber eating to get things moving out and clearing the path. Dr. Bernard Jensen's book gives good ideas on this. Some of these programs are hard to follow. It takes tenacity. But once you've got that cleaned out, you will want to eat right to keep things moving along and avoid further toxicity. After you've done the bowel cleanse, then you can do a liver cleanse to get that in tip top shape. It is also called a liver flush, and there are several recipes for that. Pick one that you are comfortable with, (they are some intense ones or some very mild ones), and after you have done that, make sure you get on some supportive liver supplements such as milk thistle, alpha lipoic acid or N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC for short). Swedish bitters are also good for the liver. Herbal teas, such as dandelion,are great for the liver. Bitter herbs, like garlic and onion, are great liver supporters! There are things you can do for the kidneys--drink lots of water, take kidney cleansing herbs, such as uva ursi. There are things you can do for the lymph system....jump rope or use a mini trampoline, drink lots of water.. There are things you can do for the skin, another major eliminative organ....an infrared sauna is great to get your body sweating and dumping things through the skin. A rash or acne is your body's way of eliminating things through the skin when the other pathways aren't working as well. DRink lots of water! Exercise can get you breathing hard, which is good for detoxing the lungs. Have you ever noticed after alot of exertion that you begin coughing? This is your lungs clearing thing out. Deep breathing is important for the lungs! And drink lots of water! So, those are the main points. There are many, many things you can do to implement a detox program. The key is to take it a little at a time so that you don't feel overwhelmed. Step by step, day by day, you will begin to see results. And then it becomes a way of life. Supplements are important, but bad quality supplements can actually do more harm than good. So, I don't stress the supplements as much as the proper lifestyle of eating and taking care of the organs. But supplements do have their place, especially when we are sick and in need of extra boosts, and can't possibly get all the nutrients we need from our foods. I hope this helps you! Patty > > > > Hi Val, > > > > Just wanted to reassure you...Dr. Kolb definately will NOT > > recommend > > > > implants for you, if you are ill from previous implants. I > > practically > > > > begged her to reimplant, but she stood firm that I was too ill > > and she > > > > would not reimplant. When I emailed Dr. Melmed, around same > > time I saw > > > > Dr. Kolb, he doesn't recommend/suggest ANY detoxing. If you > > feel you > > > > need to detox, IMO, stick w/Dr. Kolb, her protocol works & she > > knows > > > > what she's talking about! > > > > Cheryl Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Thank you, I’d like to check it out. Kenda It's on her website Plastikos.com. I have not stuck to the diet as I should, but one step at a time. > >>>> > > > Hi Val, > >>>> > > > Just wanted to reassure you...Dr. Kolb definately will NOT > >> > recommend > >>>> > > > implants for you, if you are ill from previous implants. I > >> > practically > >>>> > > > begged her to reimplant, but she stood firm that I was too ill > >> > and she > >>>> > > > would not reimplant. When I emailed Dr. Melmed, around same > >> > time I saw > >>>> > > > Dr. Kolb, he doesn't recommend/suggest ANY detoxing. If you > >> > feel you > >>>> > > > need to detox, IMO, stick w/Dr. Kolb, her protocol works & she > >> > knows > >>>> > > > what she's talking about! > >>>> > > > Cheryl > > > > > > > > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care > > professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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