Re: Blood tests pre-explant

September 7, 2005

I had a long reply written but not posted yet and the electricity went out!!

Darned storms

- we have one now to the east of us. My battery backup evidently came and went.

So I

have to go get another one. ;-(

I had sent you my story, Melinda, I'm pretty sure. Did you not get it? I asked

you if you

had been to a neurologist, because some of your complaints are symptoms of MS.

I can't go into all the detail I did because my hand is numb...BUT I had ANA

which was

high, 1:320. That prompted more antibody tests, which often go up and down from

test

to test. I was ultimately dx with lupus. My internist took tests beyond the

normal TSH

(which was sometimes high and sometimes normal) and discovered very high thryoid

antibodies - she diagnosed me with Hashimoto's thyroiditis (auotimmune). The

neurologist did nerve conduction tests, which showed peripheral neuropathy, and

he took

MRIS so c-span, brain and a spinal tap which showed MS.

So I have dx of multiple autoimmune tests - which isn't that uncommon for us, I

fear.

I have to say that many of these tests were done when I didn't realize I had

ruptured

implants, and hence I had not told the doctors - I assumed there was no

correlation.

WRONG.

Later (Fall, 2003) I discovered I had ruptured implants. Finally, I had an

explant April

2004. By that time I was really really sick.

You should tell your last PS where to stick it - sorry, but that makes me so

mad!

Psychosomatic, hell!

> Hello all,

> I am wondering about blood tests pre-explant. I've had very severe symptoms,

including

brain problems, nausea, eye problems, vertigo, pain in the joints, back,

shoulders, neck,

etc, and had assumed that something would show up in blood tests, at least

something

pointing to chronic inflammation, but I have never had anything unusual come up.

They've

all been normal. I've had tests for crp, antinuclear antibodies, sedimentation

rate,

rheumatism, cortisol, and the usual blood panel, and everything is normal. Don't

women

with symptoms like mine usually get some sort of red flag somewhere? It makes me

feel

like I'm crazy. My last ps implied that my symptoms could be

psychosomatic--yeah, right,

like I would make myself so ill that I would have to quit my job and sit on the

couch all

day, unable to move, for months.

>

> Anybody else have this experience? What kind of blood work did you get done

and what

were the results? Shouldn't there be funky results if the implants are making

you sick?

>

> Thanks for any insight!

>

> Melinda

September 7, 2005

correction: diagnosis of multiple autoimmune diseases (not tests)...

I only FEEL like the dx is multiple tests.

> > Hello all,

> > I am wondering about blood tests pre-explant. I've had very severe symptoms,

including

> brain problems, nausea, eye problems, vertigo, pain in the joints, back,

shoulders, neck,

> etc, and had assumed that something would show up in blood tests, at least

something

> pointing to chronic inflammation, but I have never had anything unusual come

up.

They've

> all been normal. I've had tests for crp, antinuclear antibodies, sedimentation

rate,

> rheumatism, cortisol, and the usual blood panel, and everything is normal.

Don't women

> with symptoms like mine usually get some sort of red flag somewhere? It makes

me feel

> like I'm crazy. My last ps implied that my symptoms could be

psychosomatic--yeah,

right,

> like I would make myself so ill that I would have to quit my job and sit on

the couch all

> day, unable to move, for months.

> >

> > Anybody else have this experience? What kind of blood work did you get done

and

what

> were the results? Shouldn't there be funky results if the implants are making

you sick?

> >

> > Thanks for any insight!

> >

> > Melinda

September 7, 2005

Lea here recommends serum protein electrophoresus and UPEP to check for MGUS. I

have

not had these. Perhaps she can elaborate. My surgeon also wants me to have

further

metabolic tests, but that is because my metabolism & hormones are messed up.

> > Hello all,

> > I am wondering about blood tests pre-explant. I've had very severe symptoms,

including

> brain problems, nausea, eye problems, vertigo, pain in the joints, back,

shoulders, neck,

> etc, and had assumed that something would show up in blood tests, at least

something

> pointing to chronic inflammation, but I have never had anything unusual come

up.

They've

> all been normal. I've had tests for crp, antinuclear antibodies, sedimentation

rate,

> rheumatism, cortisol, and the usual blood panel, and everything is normal.

Don't women

> with symptoms like mine usually get some sort of red flag somewhere? It makes

me feel

> like I'm crazy. My last ps implied that my symptoms could be

psychosomatic--yeah,

right,

> like I would make myself so ill that I would have to quit my job and sit on

the couch all

> day, unable to move, for months.

> >

> > Anybody else have this experience? What kind of blood work did you get done

and

what

> were the results? Shouldn't there be funky results if the implants are making

you sick?

> >

> > Thanks for any insight!

> >

> > Melinda

September 7, 2005

I've heard of this happening to many women. It is a mystery to me,

too, as I know that the symptoms are very real and not in your

head! I get so mad when they start talking like that. As if they

are gods and know everything there is to know about the human body.

Sheesh. There is alot they don't know! The human body is very

complex!

My personal opinion is that there are things going on in our bodies

that may not be showing up on tests, but which certainly are changed

from the norm for us individually. Things such as certain enzymes

or enzyme chains that are either no longer being produced, or no

longer working correctly (and here is one area of medicine where

they haven't even begun to know all of the intricacies of enzymes

because there are thousands of them!) Or hormones that are way off

balance from the norm (such as thyroid which has a fairly wide

normal range, but when a wide swing hits us individually, it can

certainly affect how we feel.) Hormones are also very complex and

change from day to day, and rarely tested. For instance, there are

glands called the parathyroid glands, (different from the thyroid),

but which are rarely ever tested.

Then there are also vitamin deficiencies and mineral imbalances to

consider. Perhaps the way our bodies utilize vitamins, such as B12,

or the abosrption of minerals such as magnesium, is greatly

affected. But they rarely, rarely test for changes in these

important substances! You can have a bunch of magnesium in your

body, but if it is all floating around in your bloodstream and not

getting into your cells, then you've got a problem! I've heard of

that happening. Especially with things such as heavy metals....for

instance, mercury can occupy sites in cells reserved for oxygen--and

less oxygen in your cell means less energy.

So you see, it is all very complex, and the standard tests are not

necessarily looking at the right questions to ask. If you don't ask

the right questions, you won't get the right answers!

And finally, it may be that things are working their way up to a

condition that will eventually show up on tests. I was sick, but

healing, for 4 years after explant when my Hashimoto's autoimmune

thyroid disease finally showed up on tests. And that was through a

test that nobody had done before...the anti-TPO antibody test.

Consider yourself very fortunate that you have no abnormal blood

work at this point in time. I will pray for you that after you go

through explant and deal with some of the toxicity issues, you will

recover very quickly! Medical doctors rarely understand the

concepts regarding toxicity...but alternative medicine minded

doctors do and you will get much farther ahead seeing them, at least

in my experience. God bless!

HUgs,

Patty

> Hello all,

> I am wondering about blood tests pre-explant. I've had very severe

symptoms, including brain problems, nausea, eye problems, vertigo,

pain in the joints, back, shoulders, neck, etc, and had assumed that

something would show up in blood tests, at least something pointing

to chronic inflammation, but I have never had anything unusual come

up. They've all been normal. I've had tests for crp, antinuclear

antibodies, sedimentation rate, rheumatism, cortisol, and the usual

blood panel, and everything is normal. Don't women with symptoms

like mine usually get some sort of red flag somewhere? It makes me

feel like I'm crazy. My last ps implied that my symptoms could be

psychosomatic--yeah, right, like I would make myself so ill that I

would have to quit my job and sit on the couch all day, unable to

move, for months.

>

> Anybody else have this experience? What kind of blood work did you

get done and what were the results? Shouldn't there be funky results

if the implants are making you sick?

>

> Thanks for any insight!

>

> Melinda

September 7, 2005

Melinda,

You can drive yourself nuts going through all these

tests with all the awful implications of what they

mean, should you test positive.

In the process of having these tests done, you can

rack up a list of diagnoses that will interfere with

your ability to get insurance in the future.

Many, many implanted women have experienced the same

symptoms that you have . . . only to have the symptoms

gradually disappear after being explanted - especially

if they are really proactive in detoxing.

The only way you will know if your symptoms are

implant related is to have your implants properly

removed and do everything you can to encourage your

body to heal itself. Our bodies have incredible, God

given healing abilities! . . . IMHO, many of the

health problems we experience is because these healing

functions are doing everything they can to get rid of

the toxic substances that come with breast implants.

Given what they need, our bodies know how to right

themselves and restore us to health.

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

September 7, 2005

Yeah, well nothing is gonna stop me from getting these darn things out, positive blood test results or no! If it's all in my head, who cares? If it takes an explant for my mind to make me better, fine. Thanks for the encouragement!

Melinda

Re: Blood tests pre-explant

Melinda,You can drive yourself nuts going through all thesetests with all the awful implications of what theymean, should you test positive.In the process of having these tests done, you canrack up a list of diagnoses that will interfere withyour ability to get insurance in the future.Many, many implanted women have experienced the samesymptoms that you have . . . only to have the symptomsgradually disappear after being explanted - especiallyif they are really proactive in detoxing. The only way you will know if your symptoms areimplant related is to have your implants properlyremoved and do everything you can to encourage yourbody to heal itself. Our bodies have incredible, Godgiven healing abilities! . . . IMHO, many of thehealth problems we experience is because these healingfunctions are doing everything they can to get rid ofthe toxic substances that come with breast implants.Given what they need, our bodies know how to rightthemselves and restore us to health.Hugs and prayers,Rogene

September 7, 2005

I didn't think I was going to make it, Melinda. I felt like I was in a very

dark tunnel. In

middle age, I had just graduated from law school and had huge student loans -

and I

couldn't work! I went through a severe depression, but I also had the support

of my

husband and women like those here, on Explantation.com. It helped tremendously.

> > > Hello all,

> > > I am wondering about blood tests pre-explant. I've had very severe

symptoms,

> including

> > brain problems, nausea, eye problems, vertigo, pain in the joints, back,

shoulders,

neck,

> > etc, and had assumed that something would show up in blood tests, at least

something

> > pointing to chronic inflammation, but I have never had anything unusual

come up.

> They've

> > all been normal. I've had tests for crp, antinuclear antibodies,

sedimentation rate,

> > rheumatism, cortisol, and the usual blood panel, and everything is normal.

Don't

women

> > with symptoms like mine usually get some sort of red flag somewhere? It

makes me

feel

> > like I'm crazy. My last ps implied that my symptoms could be

psychosomatic--yeah,

> right,

> > like I would make myself so ill that I would have to quit my job and sit

on the couch

all

> > day, unable to move, for months.

> > >

> > > Anybody else have this experience? What kind of blood work did you get

done and

> what

> > were the results? Shouldn't there be funky results if the implants are

making you

sick?

> > >

> > > Thanks for any insight!

> > >

> > > Melinda

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

licensed health

care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional

before

commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

Find out what

the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and

how to work

for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

>

September 7, 2005

I can't argue with this. Having been diagnosed with lupus and MS, it may be

nearly

impossible for me to ever get insurance on my own.

The only possible help this might possibly bring is for settlement or

litigation.

I opted not to take MS medication, because the side effects outweigh theoretical

benefits.

Plaquenil has helped me a huge amount, however. But I would not think a dx

would be

necessary for a doctor to prescribe that. A differential dx would and should be

sufficient.

> Melinda,

>

> You can drive yourself nuts going through all these

> tests with all the awful implications of what they

> mean, should you test positive.

>

> In the process of having these tests done, you can

> rack up a list of diagnoses that will interfere with

> your ability to get insurance in the future.

>

> Many, many implanted women have experienced the same

> symptoms that you have . . . only to have the symptoms

> gradually disappear after being explanted - especially

> if they are really proactive in detoxing.

>

> The only way you will know if your symptoms are

> implant related is to have your implants properly

> removed and do everything you can to encourage your

> body to heal itself. Our bodies have incredible, God

> given healing abilities! . . . IMHO, many of the

> health problems we experience is because these healing

> functions are doing everything they can to get rid of

> the toxic substances that come with breast implants.

> Given what they need, our bodies know how to right

> themselves and restore us to health.

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

September 7, 2005

-

melinda

it is common for women sick from implants to have normal blood

results. It certainly does not mean that you aren't sick. THere

are people also with just about every autoimmune disease that have

negative bloodwork. People with lupus will usually have a positive

ana, the same is true for scleroderma and yet you can still have

these diseases without a positive ana. Sometimes it makes us feel

better to have " proof " that something is going on in our bodies but

it is not necessary to know to get better. Also, the overwhelming

majority of people with fibromyalgia have normal blood work and it

can significantly impact your health. Actually it may be better not

to have positive bloodwork because if they can identify you have a

particular autoimmune disease such as lupus, they will put it in

your medical history and it will make it harder to get insurance in

the future. I have always had normal blood work despite many

symptoms also.

hugs, kathy

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