Re: Sleep and Fibromyalgia

[Guest guest]

Don't you develop a tolerance to temazepam? My doc prefers me take Ambien.

It does not work as well as temazepam, for me.

I have tried to get off of sleeping pills, b/c I was finding that 10 mg ambien

was not

helping anymore,. Then I got way out of whack... For example I did not sleep at

all last

night. Not 5 minutes. So I feel like h** today. I may just start back taking

ambien,.

I can't live like this.

I am taking magnesium - funny you mention that . I just started taking it

yesterday,

hoping it might help. I have heard that it is good for relaxation.

Thanks for the tip about melatonin. I took it for awhile, but didn't think it

helped.

I still have some, but am not taking it.

> Molly,

>

> A sleep disorder goes hand in glove with fibromyalgia.

>

> The one medication I won't do without is Temazapam -

> 15 mg. I've never been one who needed much sleep . . .

> Then, when I got sick I couldn't sleep. Doctors who

> understand FM don't have a problem with prescribing

> it. Don't let them give you Neurontin! . . . Awful

> stuff! . . . Same with muscle relaxors! They take away

> any desire to get up and go!

>

> There are a number of things the ladies here can

> recommend to help you sleep . . . one is taking

> magnesium (two parts calcium to one part magnesium).

> There are some herbals too . . . I'd caution against

> Melatonin though. It works short term, but long term,

> I found it made me feel terrible!

>

> Celestial Seasonings Sleepy Time tea is excellent. As

> are hot baths, dim lights, soft music - or what I used

> to do . . . Read an algebra book. My brain just

> refused to go along with that for more than a few

> minutes before it shut down!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hi, again,

The herbal I have used is Metagenics Serenagen. Dr. Leu recommends it for nervousness or to help with sleep.

Serenagen is a classic Chinese herbal formula traditionally used to help the body adapt to stress.These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Directions: Take two tablets two to three times daily or as directed by your health care practitioner. Warnings: Not to be used by pregnant or breast-feeding women. Caution: Keep out of the reach of children. Storage: Keep tightly closed in a cool, dry place.

Supplement Facts Serving Size 2 Tablets Servings Per Container 25 Amount Per % Daily Serving Value A Propietary 4:1 Solidified Aqueous 1 g ** Concentrate (SACª) of the following herbal extracts: Rehmannia Root (Rehmannia glutinosa), Schizandra Fruit (Schizandra chinensis), Jujube Fruit (Zizyphus spinosa), Dong Quai Root ( sinensis), Asparagus Root (Asparagus cochinchinensis), Ophiopogon Root (Ophiopogon japonicus), Scrophularia Root (Scrophularia ningpoensis), Codonopsis Root (Codonopsis pilosula), Salvia Root (Salvia miltiorrhiza), Poria Sclerotium (Poria cocos), Polygala Root (Polygala tenuifolia), Platycodon Root (Platycodon grandiflorum) **Daily Value not established.

Unfortuantely when I had fibro, I was given all the drugs, muscle relaxers, anti-depressants, anti-inflammatories and Rogene is right, they make you feel worse!

Kenda

Molly,

A sleep disorder goes hand in glove with fibromyalgia.

The one medication I won't do without is Temazapam -

15 mg. I've never been one who needed much sleep . . .

Then, when I got sick I couldn't sleep. Doctors who

understand FM don't have a problem with prescribing

it. Don't let them give you Neurontin! . . . Awful

stuff! . . . Same with muscle relaxors! They take away

any desire to get up and go!

There are a number of things the ladies here can

recommend to help you sleep . . . one is taking

magnesium (two parts calcium to one part magnesium).

There are some herbals too . . . I'd caution against

Melatonin though. It works short term, but long term,

I found it made me feel terrible!

Celestial Seasonings Sleepy Time tea is excellent. As

are hot baths, dim lights, soft music - or what I used

to do . . . Read an algebra book. My brain just

refused to go along with that for more than a few

minutes before it shut down!

Hugs,

Rogene

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Wow Rogene! I'm learning a lot here... You ladies have tried a lot. I feel

like a novice at a

lot of this. I was taking magnesium when I took my other pills, in the

morning. I will take

it at night. With water!

I hate some of the things about our new insurance, but I will say it has a great

prescription

plan. Better than what we had before. I pay only about $25 for 3 month supply

of

Ambien. IT's incredible. I am very very fortunate to have a good husband who

also has

medical insurance!

The last few days I've been a real mess...Didn't sleep at all last night, and

have this ear

ache that my doc said was a virus. Feel like a zombie today. I couldn't

exercise today for

any thing. But I may start back on ambien to get some sleep again. I can't

function when

my sleep schedule is this out of whack. So It looks like it is back to the

sleep research

tools I have used before, and ambien. I " ve indulged myself too much lately and

reading

all these tips -- I feel just a wee bit guilty. whack whack

-

-- In , Rogene S <saxony01@y...> wrote:

> Molly,

>

> Early on, when insurance would pay for it, I

> alternated between Ambien, 10 mg. (nice stuff) and

> Temazapam, 15 mg. I was concerned that I would develop

> a tolerance. I refuse to up the dose! I've never

> noticed a tolerance. If there's something bothering

> me, I still have trouble sleeping. That's when Sleepy

> Time tea comes to the rescue.

>

> My insurance quit paying for Ambien (I can't say I

> blame them because it's so expensive compared to

> Temazapam!)

>

> I feel that, if I hadn't gotten better overall, 15 mg.

> Temazapam may not work. As it is, it works well enough

> that I can get about seven hours sleep a night. I quit

> taking it for while to see what happened. I still went

> to sleep - but I never slept deeply. I would wake

> everytime my husband stirred. After a few months, I

> decided I'd continue taking it and not worry about it.

> I've used it, or Ambien, for about eight years.

>

> If you'll take a good calcium/magnesium supplement

> just before bedtime (with a big glass of water), it

> can help you relax and help with regularity as well.

>

> Here's a website with magnesium info

> www.magnesiumresearchlab.com. I credit Dr. Mannsman

> with providing me the information I needed to stop my

> feet from burning (Erythromelalgia). Very important

> info!

>

> When you can up your walking to five minutes, try

> adding another couple minutes later in the day . . .

> then add another five minutes later. Moving the

> muscles helps to move all the body fluids around and

> out . . . in addition to getting air deep into the

> lungs and with aiding your heart function. It can also

> help you get physically tired enough that you can

> sleep better.

>

> Even doing chair exercises can help. The body is built

> to move . . . when the body is inactive for prolonged

> periods, the entire system begins shutting down.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

[Guest guest]

I am getting some too.

I have stopped other sleeping med. It's been a roller coaster, but I figure

the sleep cycle

will eventually even out.

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Hi, again,

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > The herbal I have used is Metagenics Serenagen. Dr.

Leu

> > >>> > > recommends it for

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > nervousness or to help with sleep.

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Serenagen is a classic Chinese herbal formula

> > >>>>>>>> traditionally used

> > >>> > > to help >>

> > >>>>> > > > > the

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > body adapt to stress.These statements have not been

> > evaluated by

> > >>> > > the Food

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > and Drug Administration. This product is not intended

to

> > >>> > > diagnose, treat,

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > cure, or prevent any disease. Directions: Take two

tablets

> > two

> > >>> > > to three

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > times daily or as directed by your health care

>>>>>>>>

> > practitioner.

> > >>> > > Warnings: Not

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > to be used by pregnant or breast-feeding women.

Caution:

> > Keep

> > >>> > > out of the

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > reach of children. Storage: Keep tightly closed in a

cool,

> > dry

> > >>> > > place.

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Supplement Facts Serving Size 2 Tablets Servings Per

> > Container

> > >>> > > 25 Amount >>

> > >>>>> > > > > Per

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > % Daily Serving Value A Propietary 4:1 Solidified

Aqueous

> > 1 g **

> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> Concentrate

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (SACª) of the following herbal extracts: Rehmannia

Root

> > (Rehmannia

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > glutinosa), Schizandra Fruit (Schizandra chinensis),

> > Jujube

> > >>> > > Fruit (Zizyphus

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > spinosa), Dong Quai Root ( sinensis),

Asparagus

> > Root

> > >>> > > (Asparagus

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > cochinchinensis), Ophiopogon Root (Ophiopogon

> japonicus),

> > >>> > > Scrophularia Root

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (Scrophularia ningpoensis), Codonopsis Root

(Codonopsis

> > >>> > > pilosula), Salvia

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Root (Salvia miltiorrhiza), Poria Sclerotium (Poria

> > cocos),

> > >>> > > Polygala Root

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (Polygala tenuifolia), Platycodon Root (Platycodon

> > >>>>>>>> grandiflorum)

> > >>> > > **Daily

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Value not established.

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Unfortuantely when I had fibro, I was given all the

drugs,

> > >>> > > muscle relaxers,

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > anti-depressants, anti-inflammatories and Rogene is

right,

> > they

> > >>> > > make you

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > feel worse!

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Kenda

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Molly,

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > A sleep disorder goes hand in glove with

> > fibromyalgia.

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > The one medication I won't do without is

> Temazapam -

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > 15 mg. I've never been one who needed much

sleep

> . .

> > .

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Then, when I got sick I couldn't sleep. Doctors

who

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > understand FM don't have a problem with

> prescribing

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > it. Don't let them give you Neurontin! . . .

Awful

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > stuff! . . . Same with muscle relaxors! They take

> > away

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > any desire to get up and go!

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > There are a number of things the ladies here can

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > recommend to help you sleep . . . one is taking

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > magnesium (two parts calcium to one part

> magnesium).

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > There are some herbals too . . . I'd caution

against

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Melatonin though. It works short term, but long

> term,

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > I found it made me feel terrible!

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Celestial Seasonings Sleepy Time tea is

excellent.

As

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > are hot baths, dim lights, soft music - or what I

> > used

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > to do . . . Read an algebra book. My brain just

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > refused to go along with that for more than a few

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > minutes before it shut down!

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Hugs,

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Rogene

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the

> place of

> > advice

> > >>> > > given by

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> licensed

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > health care professionals. Consult your physician

or

> > licensed

> > >>> > > health >>>

> > >>>>> > > > > care

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > politicians

> > >>> > > mislead

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> you.

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > decisions

> > >>> > > about how to

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> live a

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> > Linus

> > >> > ing,

> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> two-time

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

[Guest guest]

I will, thanks! I've got a couple books coming, the cleanse & this stuff.

I think I spent more than my budget lol

-- In , " skaggs " <skaggs@c...> wrote:

>

> Hi Molly,

>

> As I told Lynda, the maximum dosage is 3 but 2 generally worked fine for me.

Let me

know how you do on it.

>

> Kenda

>

>

> >I am getting some too.<BR>

> >I have stopped other sleeping med.  It's been  a roller coaster, but I figure

the sleep

cycle <BR>

> >will eventually even out.<BR>

> ><BR>

> ><BR>

> ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Hi, again,<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > The herbal I have used is Metagenics Serenagen. 

Dr.

Leu<BR>

> >> > >>> > > recommends it for<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > nervousness or to help with sleep.<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Serenagen is a classic Chinese herbal formula<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> traditionally used<BR>

> >> > >>> > > to help >><BR>

> >> > >>>>> > > > > the<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > body adapt to stress.These statements have not

been<BR>

> >> > evaluated by<BR>

> >> > >>> > > the Food<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > and Drug Administration. This product is not

intended to<BR>

> >> > >>> > > diagnose, treat,<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > cure, or prevent any disease. Directions: Take two

tablets<BR>

> >> > two<BR>

> >> > >>> > > to three<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > times daily or as directed by your health care <BR>

> >>>>>>>>><BR>

> >> > practitioner.<BR>

> >> > >>> > > Warnings: Not<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > to be used by pregnant or breast-feeding women.

<BR>

> >Caution:<BR>

> >> > Keep<BR>

> >> > >>> > > out of the<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > reach of children. Storage: Keep tightly closed in

a

cool,<BR>

> >> > dry<BR>

> >> > >>> > > place.<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Supplement Facts Serving Size 2 Tablets Servings

Per<BR>

> >> > Container<BR>

> >> > >>> > > 25 Amount >><BR>

> >> > >>>>> > > > > Per<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > % Daily Serving Value A Propietary 4:1 Solidified

Aqueous<BR>

> >> > 1 g **<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> Concentrate<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (SACª) of the following herbal extracts: Rehmannia

Root<BR>

> >> > (Rehmannia<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > glutinosa), Schizandra Fruit (Schizandra

chinensis),<BR>

> >> > Jujube<BR>

> >> > >>> > > Fruit (Zizyphus<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > spinosa), Dong Quai Root ( sinensis),

Asparagus<BR>

> >> > Root<BR>

> >> > >>> > > (Asparagus<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > cochinchinensis), Ophiopogon Root (Ophiopogon

<BR>

> >> japonicus),<BR>

> >> > >>> > > Scrophularia Root<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (Scrophularia ningpoensis), Codonopsis Root <BR>

> >(Codonopsis<BR>

> >> > >>> > > pilosula), Salvia<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Root (Salvia miltiorrhiza), Poria Sclerotium

(Poria<BR>

> >> > cocos),<BR>

> >> > >>> > > Polygala Root<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (Polygala tenuifolia), Platycodon Root

(Platycodon<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> grandiflorum)<BR>

> >> > >>> > > **Daily<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Value not established.<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Unfortuantely when I had fibro, I was given all the

drugs,<BR>

> >> > >>> > > muscle relaxers,<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > anti-depressants, anti-inflammatories and Rogene is

<BR>

> >right,<BR>

> >> > they<BR>

> >> > >>> > > make you<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > feel worse!<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Kenda<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Molly,<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > A sleep disorder goes hand in glove

with<BR>

> >> > fibromyalgia.<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > The one medication I won't do without is

<BR>

> >> Temazapam -<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > 15 mg. I've never been one who needed much

<BR>

> >sleep <BR>

> >> . .<BR>

> >> > .<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Then, when I got sick I couldn't sleep.

Doctors

<BR>

> >who<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > understand FM don't have a problem with

<BR>

> >> prescribing<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > it. Don't let them give you Neurontin! . . .

Awful<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > stuff! . . . Same with muscle relaxors! They

take<BR>

> >> > away<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > any desire to get up and go!<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > There are a number of things the ladies here

can<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > recommend to help you sleep . . . one is

taking<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > magnesium (two parts calcium to one part

<BR>

> >> magnesium).<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > There are some herbals too . . . I'd caution

<BR>

> >against<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Melatonin though. It works short term, but

long <BR>

> >> term,<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > I found it made me feel terrible!<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Celestial Seasonings Sleepy Time tea is

excellent. <BR>

> >As<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > are hot baths, dim lights, soft music - or

what

I<BR>

> >> > used<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > to do . . . Read an algebra book. My brain

just<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > refused to go along with that for more than a

few<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > minutes before it shut down!<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Hugs,<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Rogene<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take

the <BR>

> >> place of<BR>

> >> > advice<BR>

> >> > >>> > > given by<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> licensed<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > health care professionals. Consult your

physician <BR>

> >or<BR>

> >> > licensed<BR>

> >> > >>> > > health >>><BR>

> >> > >>>>> > > > > care<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > professional before commencing any medical

<BR>

> >> treatment.<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or

the<BR>

> >> > politicians<BR>

> >> > >>> > > mislead<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> you.<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your

own<BR>

> >> > decisions<BR>

> >> > >>> > > about how to<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> live a<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > happy life and how to work for a better

world. " -<BR>

> >> > Linus <BR>

> >> > >> > ing,<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> two-time<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

<BR>

> >Peace)<BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > ><BR>

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

[Guest guest]

Yes - it is an investment. I figure it is like groceries ;-)

The bar exam results - oh yes, there are things you should not let your husband

do.

We were told at the exam the results would be posted today. I had looked the

other day

and realized the feb results were still up so the July was not yet. WEll hubby

looked today

for me and said the results were up but mine were not posted . Alarmed, I

called the

board, and asked them why my number wasn't there. They explained that the Feb

results

were still up and the July results would not be up until Oct. 7.

Boy did I feel silly.

And I have to wait another month,. ;-(

-- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote:

> You crack me up! There is no better investment, right?

>

> Did you get your bar exam results today?

>

> Kenda

>

>

> > I will, thanks! I've got a couple books coming, the cleanse & this stuff.

> > I think I spent more than my budget lol

> >

> >

> > -- In , " skaggs " <skaggs@c...> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Hi Molly,

> >> >

> >> > As I told Lynda, the maximum dosage is 3 but 2 generally worked fine for

> >> me. Let me

> > know how you do on it.

> >> >

> >> > Kenda

> >> >

> >> >

> >>> > >I am getting some too.<BR>

> >>> > >I have stopped other sleeping med.  It's been  a roller coaster, but I

> >>> figure the sleep

> > cycle <BR>

> >>> > >will eventually even out.<BR>

> >>> > ><BR>

> >>> > ><BR>

> >>> > ><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Hi, again,<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> ><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > The herbal I have

used is

> Metagenics Serenagen.  Dr.

> > Leu<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > recommends it for<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > nervousness or

to help with

> sleep.<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> ><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Serenagen is a

classic Chinese

> herbal formula<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> traditionally used<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > to help >><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>> > > > > the<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > body adapt to

stress.These

> statements have not

> > been<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > evaluated by<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > the Food<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > and Drug

Administration. This

> product is not

> > intended to<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > diagnose, treat,<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > cure, or prevent

any disease.

> Directions: Take two

> > tablets<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > two<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > to three<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > times daily or as

directed by

> your health care <BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>><BR>

> >>>>> > >> > practitioner.<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > Warnings: Not<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > to be used by

pregnant or

> breast-feeding women.

> > <BR>

> >>> > >Caution:<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > Keep<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > out of the<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > reach of children.

Storage:

> Keep tightly closed in a

> > cool,<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > dry<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > place.<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Supplement Facts

Serving Size

> 2 Tablets Servings

> > Per<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > Container<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > 25 Amount >><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>> > > > > Per<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > % Daily Serving

Value A

> Propietary 4:1 Solidified

> > Aqueous<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > 1 g **<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> Concentrate<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (SACª) of the

following herbal

> extracts: Rehmannia

> > Root<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > (Rehmannia<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > glutinosa),

Schizandra Fruit

> (Schizandra

> > chinensis),<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > Jujube<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > Fruit (Zizyphus<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > spinosa), Dong

Quai Root

> ( sinensis),

> > Asparagus<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > Root<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > (Asparagus<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > cochinchinensis),

Ophiopogon

> Root (Ophiopogon

> > <BR>

> >>>> > >> japonicus),<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > Scrophularia Root<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (Scrophularia

ningpoensis),

> Codonopsis Root <BR>

> >>> > >(Codonopsis<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > pilosula), Salvia<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Root (Salvia

miltiorrhiza),

> Poria Sclerotium

> > (Poria<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > cocos),<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > Polygala Root<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (Polygala

tenuifolia),

> Platycodon Root

> > (Platycodon<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> grandiflorum)<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > **Daily<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Value not

established.<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> ><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Unfortuantely

when I had

> fibro, I was given all the

> > drugs,<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > muscle relaxers,<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > anti-depressants,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-inflammatories and Rogene is

> > <BR>

> >>> > >right,<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > they<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > make you<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > feel worse!<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> ><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Kenda<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> ><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Molly,<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > A

sleep disorder goes

> hand in glove

> > with<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > fibromyalgia.<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > The

one medication I

> won't do without is

> > <BR>

> >>>> > >> Temazapam -<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > 15

mg. I've never

> been one who needed much

> > <BR>

> >>> > >sleep <BR>

> >>>> > >> . .<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > .<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Then, when I got sick

> I couldn't sleep. Doctors

> > <BR>

> >>> > >who<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

understand FM don't

> have a problem with

> > <BR>

> >>>> > >> prescribing<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > it.

Don't let them

> give you Neurontin! . . .

> > Awful<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

stuff! . . . Same

> with muscle relaxors! They

> > take<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > away<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > any

desire to get up

> and go!<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

There are a number of

> things the ladies here

> > can<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

recommend to help you

> sleep . . . one is

> > taking<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

magnesium (two parts

> calcium to one part

> > <BR>

> >>>> > >> magnesium).<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

There are some

> herbals too . . . I'd caution

> > <BR>

> >>> > >against<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Melatonin though. It

> works short term, but

> > long <BR>

> >>>> > >> term,<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > I

found it made me

> feel terrible!<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Celestial Seasonings

> Sleepy Time tea is

> > excellent. <BR>

> >>> > >As<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > are

hot baths, dim

> lights, soft music - or what

> > I<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > used<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > to

do . . . Read an

> algebra book. My brain

> > just<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

refused to go along

> with that for more than a

> > few<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

minutes before it

> shut down!<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Hugs,<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Rogene<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Opinions expressed

> are NOT meant to take

> > the <BR>

> >>>> > >> place of<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > advice<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > given by<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> licensed<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

health care

> professionals. Consult your

> > physician <BR>

> >>> > >or<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > licensed<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > health >>><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>> > > > > care<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

professional before

> commencing any medical

> > <BR>

> >>>> > >> treatment.<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > " Do

not let either

> the medical authorities or

> > the<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > politicians<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > mislead<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> you.<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Find out what the

> facts are, and make your

> > own<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > decisions<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > about how to<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> live a<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

happy life and how to

> work for a better

> > world. " -<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > Linus <BR>

> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> > ing,<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> two-time<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Nobel Prize Winner

> (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> > <BR>

> >>> > >Peace)<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > For

Healing Therapies

> and Detox info, and to

> > view<BR>

> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> > Testimonies of<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> Victims, and<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Studies of harm by

> implants, go to:<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > <BR>

> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> > <BR>

> >>>>>>> > >> > >> <<a

> >>>>>>> href= " /files/ " >http://

> > /group/ /files/</a>><a href= " http:// " >http://</

> > a><BR>

> >>> > >/g<BR>

> >>>>>>> > >> > >> roup/ /files/<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > To

view links to

> related websites on breast

> > <BR>

> >>>> > >> implants,<BR>

> >>>>> > >> > go to:<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > <BR>

> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> > <BR>

> >>>>>>> > >> > >> <<a

> >>>>>>> href= " /links " >http://

> > /group/ /links</a>><a

> > href= " http:// " >http://</a><BR>

> >>> > >/<BR>

> >>>> > >> gr<BR>

> >>>>>>> > >> > >> oup/ /links<BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

><BR>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >