Re: Re: Sleep and Fibromyalgia

September 11, 2005

Molly,

Early on, when insurance would pay for it, I

alternated between Ambien, 10 mg. (nice stuff) and

Temazapam, 15 mg. I was concerned that I would develop

a tolerance. I refuse to up the dose! I've never

noticed a tolerance. If there's something bothering

me, I still have trouble sleeping. That's when Sleepy

Time tea comes to the rescue.

My insurance quit paying for Ambien (I can't say I

blame them because it's so expensive compared to

Temazapam!)

I feel that, if I hadn't gotten better overall, 15 mg.

Temazapam may not work. As it is, it works well enough

that I can get about seven hours sleep a night. I quit

taking it for while to see what happened. I still went

to sleep - but I never slept deeply. I would wake

everytime my husband stirred. After a few months, I

decided I'd continue taking it and not worry about it.

I've used it, or Ambien, for about eight years.

If you'll take a good calcium/magnesium supplement

just before bedtime (with a big glass of water), it

can help you relax and help with regularity as well.

Here's a website with magnesium info

www.magnesiumresearchlab.com. I credit Dr. Mannsman

with providing me the information I needed to stop my

feet from burning (Erythromelalgia). Very important

info!

When you can up your walking to five minutes, try

adding another couple minutes later in the day . . .

then add another five minutes later. Moving the

muscles helps to move all the body fluids around and

out . . . in addition to getting air deep into the

lungs and with aiding your heart function. It can also

help you get physically tired enough that you can

sleep better.

Even doing chair exercises can help. The body is built

to move . . . when the body is inactive for prolonged

periods, the entire system begins shutting down.

Hugs,

Rogene

September 11, 2005

As a former drug and alcohol counselor, I can tell you that many of these

medications taken for sleep are not just physically addictive, but

psychologically addictive. My sister took some of these for 20 years. For

fibromyalgia and the sleep disorder. She is finally off all of them, but

it takes years to try to develop other methods and a more normal sleep

pattern. I would try EVERYTHING else prior to using any of these. I used

to take Klonopin for the peripheral neuropathy, and decided to get off it

and do everything else to try to ease the symptoms. It, like Terazepam,

are benzodiazapines, and highly addictive. They are relatives of Valium.

Ambien is only recommended for a period of 10 days or less.

It does take a lot of work to find other ways of relaxing and getting

natural sleep. Many will never do that, as they have symptoms that keep

them dosing themselves on drugs.

I worry a lot about us recommending these drugs to anyone to take. We

should always STRONGLY caution women about doing drugs for sleep if they

can find ANY other alternatives.

Relaxation tapes, Sleeptime tea, Magnesium, many other things. There are

supplements. Gabacalm, Melatonin, other tings that can be tried.

I never say that some may not need these prescriptions, but I hope we do

not recommend them. They can become a lifetime addiction.

Lynda

At 10:00 AM 9/11/2005, you wrote:

>Don't you develop a tolerance to temazepam? My doc prefers me take Ambien.

>It does not work as well as temazepam, for me.

>I have tried to get off of sleeping pills, b/c I was finding that 10 mg

>ambien was not

>helping anymore,. Then I got way out of whack... For example I did not

>sleep at all last

>night. Not 5 minutes. So I feel like h** today. I may just start back

>taking ambien,.

>I can't live like this.

>I am taking magnesium - funny you mention that . I just started taking it

>yesterday,

>hoping it might help. I have heard that it is good for relaxation.

>Thanks for the tip about melatonin. I took it for awhile, but didn't

>think it helped.

>I still have some, but am not taking it.

>

> > Molly,

> >

> > A sleep disorder goes hand in glove with fibromyalgia.

> >

> > The one medication I won't do without is Temazapam -

> > 15 mg. I've never been one who needed much sleep . . .

> > Then, when I got sick I couldn't sleep. Doctors who

> > understand FM don't have a problem with prescribing

> > it. Don't let them give you Neurontin! . . . Awful

> > stuff! . . . Same with muscle relaxors! They take away

> > any desire to get up and go!

> >

> > There are a number of things the ladies here can

> > recommend to help you sleep . . . one is taking

> > magnesium (two parts calcium to one part magnesium).

> > There are some herbals too . . . I'd caution against

> > Melatonin though. It works short term, but long term,

> > I found it made me feel terrible!

> >

> > Celestial Seasonings Sleepy Time tea is excellent. As

> > are hot baths, dim lights, soft music - or what I used

> > to do . . . Read an algebra book. My brain just

> > refused to go along with that for more than a few

> > minutes before it shut down!

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

September 12, 2005

Thanks, I just ordered some. I will try it.

Lynda

At 07:00 AM 9/12/2005, you wrote:

>I get it from myhealthfirst.com. His prices are the best I have found.

>

>Kenda

>

>Do you have to get this from a Naturopath or medical person? I could not

>get Metagenics on line when I tried a few years back.

>

>Lynda

>

>At 10:06 PM 9/11/2005, you wrote:

> >Hi Lynda,

> >

> >The Serenagen I mentioned earlier today is an herbal made by Metagenics

> >and works well for me and isn’t habit forming. The ingredients are

> >listed in the middle of my previous email here.

> >

> >Kenda

> >

> >I am always open to new ideas on helping get really deep sleep, I doubt

> >that happens to me often. So if you have something that is not

> >prescription and not addictive, I would like to know.

> >

> >Lynda

> >

> >At 08:58 PM 9/11/2005, you wrote:

> > >I wonder if that is llike 'revitalizing sleep'.

> > >I looked up the ingredients and I'm not familiar with most of them!

> > >

> > > > > >> > Hi, again,

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > The herbal I have used is Metagenics Serenagen. Dr. Leu

> > > recommends it for

> > > > > >> > nervousness or to help with sleep.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Serenagen is a classic Chinese herbal formula traditionally used

> > > to help >>

> > > > > the

> > > > > >> > body adapt to stress.These statements have not been evaluated by

> > > the Food

> > > > > >> > and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to

> > > diagnose, treat,

> > > > > >> > cure, or prevent any disease. Directions: Take two tablets two

> > > to three

> > > > > >> > times daily or as directed by your health care practitioner.

> > > Warnings: Not

> > > > > >> > to be used by pregnant or breast-feeding women. Caution: Keep

> > > out of the

> > > > > >> > reach of children. Storage: Keep tightly closed in a cool, dry

> > > place.

> > > > > >> > Supplement Facts Serving Size 2 Tablets Servings Per Container

> > > 25 Amount >>

> > > > > Per

> > > > > >> > % Daily Serving Value A Propietary 4:1 Solidified Aqueous 1 g **

> > > > > >> Concentrate

> > > > > >> > (SACª) of the following herbal extracts: Rehmannia Root

> (Rehmannia

> > > > > >> > glutinosa), Schizandra Fruit (Schizandra chinensis), Jujube

> > > Fruit (Zizyphus

> > > > > >> > spinosa), Dong Quai Root ( sinensis), Asparagus Root

> > > (Asparagus

> > > > > >> > cochinchinensis), Ophiopogon Root (Ophiopogon japonicus),

> > > Scrophularia Root

> > > > > >> > (Scrophularia ningpoensis), Codonopsis Root (Codonopsis

> > > pilosula), Salvia

> > > > > >> > Root (Salvia miltiorrhiza), Poria Sclerotium (Poria cocos),

> > > Polygala Root

> > > > > >> > (Polygala tenuifolia), Platycodon Root (Platycodon grandiflorum)

> > > **Daily

> > > > > >> > Value not established.

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Unfortuantely when I had fibro, I was given all the drugs,

> > > muscle relaxers,

> > > > > >> > anti-depressants, anti-inflammatories and Rogene is right, they

> > > make you

> > > > > >> > feel worse!

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >> > Kenda

> > > > > >> >

> > > > > >>> > > Molly,

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > A sleep disorder goes hand in glove with fibromyalgia.

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > The one medication I won't do without is Temazapam -

> > > > > >>> > > 15 mg. I've never been one who needed much sleep . . .

> > > > > >>> > > Then, when I got sick I couldn't sleep. Doctors who

> > > > > >>> > > understand FM don't have a problem with prescribing

> > > > > >>> > > it. Don't let them give you Neurontin! . . . Awful

> > > > > >>> > > stuff! . . . Same with muscle relaxors! They take away

> > > > > >>> > > any desire to get up and go!

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > There are a number of things the ladies here can

> > > > > >>> > > recommend to help you sleep . . . one is taking

> > > > > >>> > > magnesium (two parts calcium to one part magnesium).

> > > > > >>> > > There are some herbals too . . . I'd caution against

> > > > > >>> > > Melatonin though. It works short term, but long term,

> > > > > >>> > > I found it made me feel terrible!

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > Celestial Seasonings Sleepy Time tea is excellent. As

> > > > > >>> > > are hot baths, dim lights, soft music - or what I used

> > > > > >>> > > to do . . . Read an algebra book. My brain just

> > > > > >>> > > refused to go along with that for more than a few

> > > > > >>> > > minutes before it shut down!

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > Hugs,

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > Rogene

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > > given by

> > > > > >>> licensed

> > > > > >>> > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> > > health >>>

> > > > > care

> > > > > >>> > > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > >>> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > > mislead

> > > > > >>> you.

> > > > > >>> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> > > about how to

> > > > > >>> live a

> > > > > >>> > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > ing,

> > > > > >>> two-time

> > > > > >>> > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > > > >>> > >

September 12, 2005

You're welcome! Let me know how it works for you. The maximum dose is three.

Two is all I take normally but took three once or twice when I still couldn't

fall asleep. The really nice thing is that I have absolutely no morning

hangover. I wake up really refreshed. If you haven't had your neuro-regulatory

hormones tested, I'd do that too. Since I started on 5HTP, I have only taken

Serenagen a couple of times.

Kenda

><tt>

>Thanks, I just ordered some. I will try it.

>

>Lynda

>

>At 07:00 AM 9/12/2005, you wrote:

>>I get it from myhealthfirst.com. His prices are the best I have found.

>>

>>Kenda

>>

>>Do you have to get this from a Naturopath or medical person? I could not

>>get Metagenics on line when I tried a few years back.

>>

>>Lynda

>>

>>At 10:06 PM 9/11/2005, you wrote:

>> >Hi Lynda,

>> >

>> >The Serenagen I mentioned earlier today is an herbal made by Metagenics

>> >and works well for me and isn’t habit forming. The ingredients are

>> >listed in the middle of my previous email here.

>> >

>> >Kenda

>> >

>> >I am always open to new ideas on helping get really deep sleep, I doubt

>> >that happens to me often. So if you have something that is not

>> >prescription and not addictive, I would like to know.

>> >

>> >Lynda

>> >

>> >At 08:58 PM 9/11/2005, you wrote:

>> > >I wonder if that is llike 'revitalizing sleep'.

>> > >I looked up the ingredients and I'm not familiar with most of them!

>> > >

>> > > > > >> > Hi, again,

>> > > > > >> >

>> > > > > >> > The herbal I have used is Metagenics Serenagen. Dr. Leu

>> > > recommends it for

>> > > > > >> > nervousness or to help with sleep.

>> > > > > >> >

>> > > > > >> > Serenagen is a classic Chinese herbal formula traditionally

used

>> > > to help >>

>> > > > > the

>> > > > > >> > body adapt to stress.These statements have not been evaluated

by

>> > > the Food

>> > > > > >> > and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to

>> > > diagnose, treat,

>> > > > > >> > cure, or prevent any disease. Directions: Take two tablets

two

>> > > to three

>> > > > > >> > times daily or as directed by your health care practitioner.

>> > > Warnings: Not

>> > > > > >> > to be used by pregnant or breast-feeding women. Caution:

Keep

>> > > out of the

>> > > > > >> > reach of children. Storage: Keep tightly closed in a cool,

dry

>> > > place.

>> > > > > >> > Supplement Facts Serving Size 2 Tablets Servings Per

Container

>> > > 25 Amount >>

>> > > > > Per

>> > > > > >> > % Daily Serving Value A Propietary 4:1 Solidified Aqueous 1 g

**

>> > > > > >> Concentrate

>> > > > > >> > (SACª) of the following herbal extracts: Rehmannia Root

>> (Rehmannia

>> > > > > >> > glutinosa), Schizandra Fruit (Schizandra chinensis), Jujube

>> > > Fruit (Zizyphus

>> > > > > >> > spinosa), Dong Quai Root ( sinensis), Asparagus Root

>> > > (Asparagus

>> > > > > >> > cochinchinensis), Ophiopogon Root (Ophiopogon japonicus),

>> > > Scrophularia Root

>> > > > > >> > (Scrophularia ningpoensis), Codonopsis Root (Codonopsis

>> > > pilosula), Salvia

>> > > > > >> > Root (Salvia miltiorrhiza), Poria Sclerotium (Poria cocos),

>> > > Polygala Root

>> > > > > >> > (Polygala tenuifolia), Platycodon Root (Platycodon

grandiflorum)

>> > > **Daily

>> > > > > >> > Value not established.

>> > > > > >> >

>> > > > > >> > Unfortuantely when I had fibro, I was given all the drugs,

>> > > muscle relaxers,

>> > > > > >> > anti-depressants, anti-inflammatories and Rogene is right,

they

>> > > make you

>> > > > > >> > feel worse!

>> > > > > >> >

>> > > > > >> > Kenda

>> > > > > >> >

>> > > > > >>> > > Molly,

>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > > > > >>> > > A sleep disorder goes hand in glove with fibromyalgia.

>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > > > > >>> > > The one medication I won't do without is Temazapam -

>> > > > > >>> > > 15 mg. I've never been one who needed much sleep . . .

>> > > > > >>> > > Then, when I got sick I couldn't sleep. Doctors who

>> > > > > >>> > > understand FM don't have a problem with prescribing

>> > > > > >>> > > it. Don't let them give you Neurontin! . . . Awful

>> > > > > >>> > > stuff! . . . Same with muscle relaxors! They take away

>> > > > > >>> > > any desire to get up and go!

>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > > > > >>> > > There are a number of things the ladies here can

>> > > > > >>> > > recommend to help you sleep . . . one is taking

>> > > > > >>> > > magnesium (two parts calcium to one part magnesium).

>> > > > > >>> > > There are some herbals too . . . I'd caution against

>> > > > > >>> > > Melatonin though. It works short term, but long term,

>> > > > > >>> > > I found it made me feel terrible!

>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > > > > >>> > > Celestial Seasonings Sleepy Time tea is excellent. As

>> > > > > >>> > > are hot baths, dim lights, soft music - or what I used

>> > > > > >>> > > to do . . . Read an algebra book. My brain just

>> > > > > >>> > > refused to go along with that for more than a few

>> > > > > >>> > > minutes before it shut down!

>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > > > > >>> > > Hugs,

>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > > > > >>> > > Rogene

>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > > > > >>> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

advice

>> > > given by

>> > > > > >>> licensed

>> > > > > >>> > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed

>> > > health >>>

>> > > > > care

>> > > > > >>> > > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > > > > >>> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

politicians

>> > > mislead

>> > > > > >>> you.

>> > > > > >>> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

>> > > about how to

>> > > > > >>> live a

>> > > > > >>> > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

>> > ing,

>> > > > > >>> two-time

>> > > > > >>> > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > > > > >>> > >

September 12, 2005

Hi Molly,

As I told Lynda, the maximum dosage is 3 but 2 generally worked fine for me.

Let me know how you do on it.

Kenda

>I am getting some too.

>I have stopped other sleeping med. It's been a roller coaster, but I figure

the sleep cycle

>will eventually even out.

>

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Hi, again,

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > The herbal I have used is Metagenics Serenagen. Dr.

Leu

>> > >>> > > recommends it for

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > nervousness or to help with sleep.

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Serenagen is a classic Chinese herbal formula

>> > >>>>>>>> traditionally used

>> > >>> > > to help >>

>> > >>>>> > > > > the

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > body adapt to stress.These statements have not

been

>> > evaluated by

>> > >>> > > the Food

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > and Drug Administration. This product is not intended

to

>> > >>> > > diagnose, treat,

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > cure, or prevent any disease. Directions: Take two

tablets

>> > two

>> > >>> > > to three

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > times daily or as directed by your health care

>>>>>>>>>

>> > practitioner.

>> > >>> > > Warnings: Not

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > to be used by pregnant or breast-feeding women.

>Caution:

>> > Keep

>> > >>> > > out of the

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > reach of children. Storage: Keep tightly closed in a

cool,

>> > dry

>> > >>> > > place.

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Supplement Facts Serving Size 2 Tablets Servings

Per

>> > Container

>> > >>> > > 25 Amount >>

>> > >>>>> > > > > Per

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > % Daily Serving Value A Propietary 4:1 Solidified

Aqueous

>> > 1 g **

>> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> Concentrate

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (SACª) of the following herbal extracts: Rehmannia

Root

>> > (Rehmannia

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > glutinosa), Schizandra Fruit (Schizandra

chinensis),

>> > Jujube

>> > >>> > > Fruit (Zizyphus

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > spinosa), Dong Quai Root ( sinensis),

Asparagus

>> > Root

>> > >>> > > (Asparagus

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > cochinchinensis), Ophiopogon Root (Ophiopogon

>> japonicus),

>> > >>> > > Scrophularia Root

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (Scrophularia ningpoensis), Codonopsis Root

>(Codonopsis

>> > >>> > > pilosula), Salvia

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Root (Salvia miltiorrhiza), Poria Sclerotium

(Poria

>> > cocos),

>> > >>> > > Polygala Root

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (Polygala tenuifolia), Platycodon Root

(Platycodon

>> > >>>>>>>> grandiflorum)

>> > >>> > > **Daily

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Value not established.

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Unfortuantely when I had fibro, I was given all the

drugs,

>> > >>> > > muscle relaxers,

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > anti-depressants, anti-inflammatories and Rogene is

>right,

>> > they

>> > >>> > > make you

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > feel worse!

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Kenda

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Molly,

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > A sleep disorder goes hand in glove with

>> > fibromyalgia.

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > The one medication I won't do without is

>> Temazapam -

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > 15 mg. I've never been one who needed much

>sleep

>> . .

>> > .

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Then, when I got sick I couldn't sleep. Doctors

>who

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > understand FM don't have a problem with

>> prescribing

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > it. Don't let them give you Neurontin! . . .

Awful

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > stuff! . . . Same with muscle relaxors! They

take

>> > away

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > any desire to get up and go!

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > There are a number of things the ladies here

can

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > recommend to help you sleep . . . one is

taking

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > magnesium (two parts calcium to one part

>> magnesium).

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > There are some herbals too . . . I'd caution

>against

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Melatonin though. It works short term, but long

>> term,

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > I found it made me feel terrible!

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Celestial Seasonings Sleepy Time tea is

excellent.

>As

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > are hot baths, dim lights, soft music - or what

I

>> > used

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > to do . . . Read an algebra book. My brain

just

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > refused to go along with that for more than a

few

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > minutes before it shut down!

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Hugs,

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Rogene

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the

>> place of

>> > advice

>> > >>> > > given by

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> licensed

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > health care professionals. Consult your

physician

>or

>> > licensed

>> > >>> > > health >>>

>> > >>>>> > > > > care

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > professional before commencing any medical

>> treatment.

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or

the

>> > politicians

>> > >>> > > mislead

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> you.

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your

own

>> > decisions

>> > >>> > > about how to

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> live a

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > happy life and how to work for a better world. "

-

>> > Linus

>> > >> > ing,

>> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> two-time

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

>Peace)

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

>> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

September 12, 2005

I did not find much help with 5HTP, but plan to try it again. Melatonin

kept me awake. Valerian does help, but I seldom take it.

Lynda

At 11:39 AM 9/12/2005, you wrote:

>You're welcome! Let me know how it works for you. The maximum dose is

>three. Two is all I take normally but took three once or twice when I

>still couldn't fall asleep. The really nice thing is that I have

>absolutely no morning hangover. I wake up really refreshed. If you

>haven't had your neuro-regulatory hormones tested, I'd do that too. Since

>I started on 5HTP, I have only taken Serenagen a couple of times.

>

>Kenda

>

> ><tt>

> >Thanks, I just ordered some. I will try it.

> >

> >Lynda

> >

> >At 07:00 AM 9/12/2005, you wrote:

> >>I get it from myhealthfirst.com. His prices are the best I have found.

> >>

> >>Kenda

> >>

> >>Do you have to get this from a Naturopath or medical person? I could

> not

> >>get Metagenics on line when I tried a few years back.

> >>

> >>Lynda

> >>

> >>At 10:06 PM 9/11/2005, you wrote:

> >> >Hi Lynda,

> >> >

> >> >The Serenagen I mentioned earlier today is an herbal made by

> Metagenics

> >> >and works well for me and isn’t habit forming. The ingredients are

> >> >listed in the middle of my previous email here.

> >> >

> >> >Kenda

> >> >

> >> >I am always open to new ideas on helping get really deep sleep, I

> doubt

> >> >that happens to me often. So if you have something that is not

> >> >prescription and not addictive, I would like to know.

> >> >

> >> >Lynda

> >> >

> >> >At 08:58 PM 9/11/2005, you wrote:

> >> > >I wonder if that is llike 'revitalizing sleep'.

> >> > >I looked up the ingredients and I'm not familiar with most of them!

> >> > >

> >> > > > > >> > Hi, again,

> >> > > > > >> >

> >> > > > > >> > The herbal I have used is Metagenics Serenagen. Dr. Leu

> >> > > recommends it for

> >> > > > > >> > nervousness or to help with sleep.

> >> > > > > >> >

> >> > > > > >> > Serenagen is a classic Chinese herbal formula

> traditionally used

> >> > > to help >>

> >> > > > > the

> >> > > > > >> > body adapt to stress.These statements have not been

> evaluated by

> >> > > the Food

> >> > > > > >> > and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to

> >> > > diagnose, treat,

> >> > > > > >> > cure, or prevent any disease. Directions: Take two

> tablets two

> >> > > to three

> >> > > > > >> > times daily or as directed by your health care

> practitioner.

> >> > > Warnings: Not

> >> > > > > >> > to be used by pregnant or breast-feeding women. Caution:

> Keep

> >> > > out of the

> >> > > > > >> > reach of children. Storage: Keep tightly closed in a

> cool, dry

> >> > > place.

> >> > > > > >> > Supplement Facts Serving Size 2 Tablets Servings Per

> Container

> >> > > 25 Amount >>

> >> > > > > Per

> >> > > > > >> > % Daily Serving Value A Propietary 4:1 Solidified Aqueous

> 1 g **

> >> > > > > >> Concentrate

> >> > > > > >> > (SACª) of the following herbal extracts: Rehmannia Root

> >> (Rehmannia

> >> > > > > >> > glutinosa), Schizandra Fruit (Schizandra chinensis),

> Jujube

> >> > > Fruit (Zizyphus

> >> > > > > >> > spinosa), Dong Quai Root ( sinensis), Asparagus

> Root

> >> > > (Asparagus

> >> > > > > >> > cochinchinensis), Ophiopogon Root (Ophiopogon japonicus),

> >> > > Scrophularia Root

> >> > > > > >> > (Scrophularia ningpoensis), Codonopsis Root (Codonopsis

> >> > > pilosula), Salvia

> >> > > > > >> > Root (Salvia miltiorrhiza), Poria Sclerotium (Poria

> cocos),

> >> > > Polygala Root

> >> > > > > >> > (Polygala tenuifolia), Platycodon Root (Platycodon

> grandiflorum)

> >> > > **Daily

> >> > > > > >> > Value not established.

> >> > > > > >> >

> >> > > > > >> > Unfortuantely when I had fibro, I was given all the

> drugs,

> >> > > muscle relaxers,

> >> > > > > >> > anti-depressants, anti-inflammatories and Rogene is

> right, they

> >> > > make you

> >> > > > > >> > feel worse!

> >> > > > > >> >

> >> > > > > >> > Kenda

> >> > > > > >> >

> >> > > > > >>> > > Molly,

> >> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > >>> > > A sleep disorder goes hand in glove with fibromyalgia.

> >> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > >>> > > The one medication I won't do without is Temazapam -

> >> > > > > >>> > > 15 mg. I've never been one who needed much sleep . . .

> >> > > > > >>> > > Then, when I got sick I couldn't sleep. Doctors who

> >> > > > > >>> > > understand FM don't have a problem with prescribing

> >> > > > > >>> > > it. Don't let them give you Neurontin! . . . Awful

> >> > > > > >>> > > stuff! . . . Same with muscle relaxors! They take away

> >> > > > > >>> > > any desire to get up and go!

> >> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > >>> > > There are a number of things the ladies here can

> >> > > > > >>> > > recommend to help you sleep . . . one is taking

> >> > > > > >>> > > magnesium (two parts calcium to one part magnesium).

> >> > > > > >>> > > There are some herbals too . . . I'd caution against

> >> > > > > >>> > > Melatonin though. It works short term, but long term,

> >> > > > > >>> > > I found it made me feel terrible!

> >> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > >>> > > Celestial Seasonings Sleepy Time tea is excellent. As

> >> > > > > >>> > > are hot baths, dim lights, soft music - or what I used

> >> > > > > >>> > > to do . . . Read an algebra book. My brain just

> >> > > > > >>> > > refused to go along with that for more than a few

> >> > > > > >>> > > minutes before it shut down!

> >> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > >>> > > Hugs,

> >> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > >>> > > Rogene

> >> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > >>> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> advice

> >> > > given by

> >> > > > > >>> licensed

> >> > > > > >>> > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed

> >> > > health >>>

> >> > > > > care

> >> > > > > >>> > > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > >>> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians

> >> > > mislead

> >> > > > > >>> you.

> >> > > > > >>> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions

> >> > > about how to

> >> > > > > >>> live a

> >> > > > > >>> > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> Linus

> >> > ing,

> >> > > > > >>> two-time

> >> > > > > >>> > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > > > > >>> > >

September 12, 2005

Hi Lynda,

I began taking 5HTP several months ago, two capsules at bed. When I retested my

levels, I was still quite low. Dr. Leu bumped up my dose to 3 at bed. I have

not retested at that level to be certain that it is enough. Perhaps you need a

large dose, like I do. Another thing I tried was L-Tryptophan. It worked very

well too but I don't " need " it.

Kenda

>I did not find much help with 5HTP, but plan to try it again. Melatonin

>kept me awake. Valerian does help, but I seldom take it.

>

>Lynda

>

>At 11:39 AM 9/12/2005, you wrote:

>

>>You're welcome! Let me know how it works for you. The maximum dose is

>>three. Two is all I take normally but took three once or twice when I

>>still couldn't fall asleep. The really nice thing is that I have

>>absolutely no morning hangover. I wake up really refreshed. If you

>>haven't had your neuro-regulatory hormones tested, I'd do that too. Since

>>I started on 5HTP, I have only taken Serenagen a couple of times.

>>

>>Kenda

>>

>> ><tt>

>> >Thanks, I just ordered some. I will try it.

>> >

>> >Lynda

>> >

>> >At 07:00 AM 9/12/2005, you wrote:

>> >>I get it from myhealthfirst.com. His prices are the best I have

found.

>> >>

>> >>Kenda

>> >>

>> >>Do you have to get this from a Naturopath or medical person? I could

>> not

>> >>get Metagenics on line when I tried a few years back.

>> >>

>> >>Lynda

>> >>

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September 12, 2005

You crack me up! There is no better investment, right?

Did you get your bar exam results today?

Kenda

I will, thanks! I've got a couple books coming, the cleanse & this stuff.

I think I spent more than my budget lol

-- In , " skaggs " <skaggs@c...> wrote:

>

> Hi Molly,

>

> As I told Lynda, the maximum dosage is 3 but 2 generally worked fine for me. Let me

know how you do on it.

>

> Kenda

>

> >I am getting some too.

> >I have stopped other sleeping med. It's been a roller coaster, but I figure the sleep

cycle

> >will eventually even out.

> >

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Hi, again,

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > The herbal I have used is Metagenics Serenagen. Dr.

Leu

> >> > >>> > > recommends it for

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > nervousness or to help with sleep.

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Serenagen is a classic Chinese herbal formula

> >> > >>>>>>>> traditionally used

> >> > >>> > > to help >>

> >> > >>>>> > > > > the

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > body adapt to stress.These statements have not

been

> >> > evaluated by

> >> > >>> > > the Food

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > and Drug Administration. This product is not

intended to

> >> > >>> > > diagnose, treat,

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > cure, or prevent any disease. Directions: Take two

tablets

> >> > two

> >> > >>> > > to three

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > times daily or as directed by your health care

> >>>>>>>>>

> >> > practitioner.

> >> > >>> > > Warnings: Not

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > to be used by pregnant or breast-feeding women.

> >Caution:

> >> > Keep

> >> > >>> > > out of the

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > reach of children. Storage: Keep tightly closed in a

cool,

> >> > dry

> >> > >>> > > place.

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Supplement Facts Serving Size 2 Tablets Servings

Per

> >> > Container

> >> > >>> > > 25 Amount >>

> >> > >>>>> > > > > Per

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > % Daily Serving Value A Propietary 4:1 Solidified

Aqueous

> >> > 1 g **

> >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> Concentrate

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (SACª) of the following herbal extracts: Rehmannia

Root

> >> > (Rehmannia

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > glutinosa), Schizandra Fruit (Schizandra

chinensis),

> >> > Jujube

> >> > >>> > > Fruit (Zizyphus

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > spinosa), Dong Quai Root ( sinensis),

Asparagus

> >> > Root

> >> > >>> > > (Asparagus

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > cochinchinensis), Ophiopogon Root (Ophiopogon

> >> japonicus),

> >> > >>> > > Scrophularia Root

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (Scrophularia ningpoensis), Codonopsis Root

> >(Codonopsis

> >> > >>> > > pilosula), Salvia

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Root (Salvia miltiorrhiza), Poria Sclerotium

(Poria

> >> > cocos),

> >> > >>> > > Polygala Root

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (Polygala tenuifolia), Platycodon Root

(Platycodon

> >> > >>>>>>>> grandiflorum)

> >> > >>> > > **Daily

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Value not established.

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Unfortuantely when I had fibro, I was given all the

drugs,

> >> > >>> > > muscle relaxers,

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > anti-depressants, anti-inflammatories and Rogene is

> >right,

> >> > they

> >> > >>> > > make you

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > feel worse!

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Kenda

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Molly,

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > A sleep disorder goes hand in glove

with

> >> > fibromyalgia.

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > The one medication I won't do without is

> >> Temazapam -

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > 15 mg. I've never been one who needed much

> >sleep

> >> . .

> >> > .

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Then, when I got sick I couldn't sleep. Doctors

> >who

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > understand FM don't have a problem with

> >> prescribing

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > it. Don't let them give you Neurontin! . . .

Awful

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > stuff! . . . Same with muscle relaxors! They

take

> >> > away

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > any desire to get up and go!

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > There are a number of things the ladies here

can

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > recommend to help you sleep . . . one is

taking

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > magnesium (two parts calcium to one part

> >> magnesium).

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > There are some herbals too . . . I'd caution

> >against

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Melatonin though. It works short term, but

long

> >> term,

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > I found it made me feel terrible!

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Celestial Seasonings Sleepy Time tea is

excellent.

> >As

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > are hot baths, dim lights, soft music - or what

I

> >> > used

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > to do . . . Read an algebra book. My brain

just

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > refused to go along with that for more than a

few

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > minutes before it shut down!

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Hugs,

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Rogene

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take

the

> >> place of

> >> > advice

> >> > >>> > > given by

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> licensed

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > health care professionals. Consult your

physician

> >or

> >> > licensed

> >> > >>> > > health >>>

> >> > >>>>> > > > > care

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > professional before commencing any medical

> >> treatment.

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or

the

> >> > politicians

> >> > >>> > > mislead

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> you.

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your

own

> >> > decisions

> >> > >>> > > about how to

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> live a

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > happy life and how to work for a better

world. " -

> >> > Linus

> >> > >> > ing,

> >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> two-time

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> >Peace)

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

> >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

September 13, 2005

Your husband sounds just like mine!

Kenda

Yes - it is an investment. I figure it is like groceries ;-)

The bar exam results - oh yes, there are things you should not let your husband do.

We were told at the exam the results would be posted today. I had looked the other day

and realized the feb results were still up so the July was not yet. WEll hubby looked today

for me and said the results were up but mine were not posted . Alarmed, I called the

board, and asked them why my number wasn't there. They explained that the Feb results

were still up and the July results would not be up until Oct. 7.

Boy did I feel silly.

And I have to wait another month,. ;-(

-- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...> wrote:

> You crack me up! There is no better investment, right?

>

> Did you get your bar exam results today?

>

> Kenda

>

> > I will, thanks! I've got a couple books coming, the cleanse & this stuff.

> > I think I spent more than my budget lol

> >

> > -- In , " skaggs " <skaggs@c...> wrote:

> >> >

> >> > Hi Molly,

> >> >

> >> > As I told Lynda, the maximum dosage is 3 but 2 generally worked fine for

> >> me. Let me

> > know how you do on it.

> >> >

> >> > Kenda

> >> >

> >>> > >I am getting some too.

> >>> > >I have stopped other sleeping med. It's been a roller coaster, but I

> >>> figure the sleep

> > cycle

> >>> > >will eventually even out.

> >>> > >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Hi, again,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > The herbal I have

used is

> Metagenics Serenagen. Dr.

> > Leu

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > recommends it for

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > nervousness or

to help with

> sleep.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Serenagen is a

classic Chinese

> herbal formula

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> traditionally used

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > to help >>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>> > > > > the

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > body adapt to

stress.These

> statements have not

> > been

> >>>>> > >> > evaluated by

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > the Food

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > and Drug

Administration. This

> product is not

> > intended to

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > diagnose, treat,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > cure, or prevent

any disease.

> Directions: Take two

> > tablets

> >>>>> > >> > two

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > to three

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > times daily or as

directed by

> your health care

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>> > >> > practitioner.

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > Warnings: Not

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > to be used by

pregnant or

> breast-feeding women.

> >

> >>> > >Caution:

> >>>>> > >> > Keep

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > out of the

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > reach of children.

Storage:

> Keep tightly closed in a

> > cool,

> >>>>> > >> > dry

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > place.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Supplement Facts

Serving Size

> 2 Tablets Servings

> > Per

> >>>>> > >> > Container

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > 25 Amount >>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>> > > > > Per

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > % Daily Serving

Value A

> Propietary 4:1 Solidified

> > Aqueous

> >>>>> > >> > 1 g **

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>> > > > > >> Concentrate

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (SACª) of the

following herbal

> extracts: Rehmannia

> > Root

> >>>>> > >> > (Rehmannia

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > glutinosa),

Schizandra Fruit

> (Schizandra

> > chinensis),

> >>>>> > >> > Jujube

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > Fruit (Zizyphus

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > spinosa), Dong

Quai Root

> ( sinensis),

> > Asparagus

> >>>>> > >> > Root

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > (Asparagus

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > cochinchinensis),

Ophiopogon

> Root (Ophiopogon

> >

> >>>> > >> japonicus),

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > Scrophularia Root

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (Scrophularia

ningpoensis),

> Codonopsis Root

> >>> > >(Codonopsis

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > pilosula), Salvia

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Root (Salvia

miltiorrhiza),

> Poria Sclerotium

> > (Poria

> >>>>> > >> > cocos),

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > Polygala Root

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > (Polygala

tenuifolia),

> Platycodon Root

> > (Platycodon

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> grandiflorum)

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > **Daily

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Value not

established.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Unfortuantely

when I had

> fibro, I was given all the

> > drugs,

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > muscle relaxers,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > anti-depressants,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-inflammatories and Rogene is

> >

> >>> > >right,

> >>>>> > >> > they

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > make you

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > feel worse!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> > Kenda

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >> >

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Molly,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > A

sleep disorder goes

> hand in glove

> > with

> >>>>> > >> > fibromyalgia.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > The

one medication I

> won't do without is

> >

> >>>> > >> Temazapam -

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > 15

mg. I've never

> been one who needed much

> >

> >>> > >sleep

> >>>> > >> . .

> >>>>> > >> > .

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Then, when I got sick

> I couldn't sleep. Doctors

> >

> >>> > >who

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

understand FM don't

> have a problem with

> >

> >>>> > >> prescribing

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > it.

Don't let them

> give you Neurontin! . . .

> > Awful

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

stuff! . . . Same

> with muscle relaxors! They

> > take

> >>>>> > >> > away

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > any

desire to get up

> and go!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

There are a number of

> things the ladies here

> > can

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

recommend to help you

> sleep . . . one is

> > taking

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

magnesium (two parts

> calcium to one part

> >

> >>>> > >> magnesium).

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

There are some

> herbals too . . . I'd caution

> >

> >>> > >against

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Melatonin though. It

> works short term, but

> > long

> >>>> > >> term,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > I

found it made me

> feel terrible!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Celestial Seasonings

> Sleepy Time tea is

> > excellent.

> >>> > >As

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > are

hot baths, dim

> lights, soft music - or what

> > I

> >>>>> > >> > used

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > > to

do . . . Read an

> algebra book. My brain

> > just

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

refused to go along

> with that for more than a

> > few

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

minutes before it

> shut down!

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Hugs,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Rogene

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> >

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

Opinions expressed

> are NOT meant to take

> > the

> >>>> > >> place of

> >>>>> > >> > advice

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > given by

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> licensed

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

health care

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> > physician

> >>> > >or

> >>>>> > >> > licensed

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > health >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>> > > > > care

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

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>

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> > the

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> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > mislead

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> you.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

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> >>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>> > > about how to

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> live a

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

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> work for a better

> > world. " -

> >>>>> > >> > Linus

> >>>>>>>> > >> > >> > ing,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>> > > > > >>> two-time

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

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> (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> >

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>

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> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >> > >>>>>>>>>> > > > > >>> > >

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view links to

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