Re: ladies who have had implants removed (Virginia, Texas)

August 30, 2005

I am also wondering if anyone knows any PS in Texas that does the en bloc removal? I dont think my surgeon does that and I dont want to take any chances............

Thanks

Dianeallysonallysonkrick <adkrick@...> wrote:

Hello my name is Allyson,I have been a member of the group for several months now. I'm having a very difficlt time finding a PS in my area who is familiar with the en bloc method of removal. I live in Virginia. East coast would be realistic for me. i see that there were several doctors in Florida, SC, and Georgia. Who had these doctors and how do you feel like they did. If I can't have them removed en bloc, should i remove them the other way? It really is getting very frustrating. At this point i just want them out and don't care if I have to pay for it, so I'm not worried about doing the lab testing. MY implanting doctor said he would help me , but he has not removed them enbloc or the capsule before, so that is a little scarry and I don't think that would be my first choice. If anyone has any

information you could email me at adkrick@... or call me at 757-715-2796.Thank-you,Allyson Diane

August 30, 2005

Diane,

We thought Dr. Melmed, Dallas, TX was removing

implants en bloc . . . but we found out that he was

leaving part, if not the entire capsule. It's very

upsetting because he has been our most outspoken

advocate in the plastic surgery industry.

A number of his patients have been having problems

requiring aspiration (withdrawal of fluids) following

surgery. Most doctors leave the drains in until there

is no significant drainage. However, Dr. Melmed said

that he removes the drains after one day so the women

can leave for home.

Even patients who have had problems think he is a

wonderful doctor. He does beautiful work . . . He just

has this " little " flaw " .

Hugs,

Rogene

--- Diane Myers <dlmyers1960@...> wrote:

> I am also wondering if anyone knows any PS in Texas

> that does the en bloc removal? I dont think my

> surgeon does that and I dont want to take any

> chances............

>

> Thanks

> Diane

>

> allysonallysonkrick <adkrick@...> wrote:

> Hello my name is Allyson,

> I have been a member of the group for several months

> now. I'm having a

> very difficlt time finding a PS in my area who is

> familiar with the en

> bloc method of removal. I live in Virginia. East

> coast would be

> realistic for me. i see that there were several

> doctors in Florida,

> SC, and Georgia. Who had these doctors and how do

> you feel like they

> did. If I can't have them removed en bloc, should i

> remove them the

> other way? It really is getting very frustrating.

> At this point i just

> want them out and don't care if I have to pay for

> it, so I'm not

> worried about doing the lab testing. MY implanting

> doctor said he

> would help me , but he has not removed them enbloc

> or the capsule

> before, so that is a little scarry and I don't think

> that would be my

> first choice. If anyone has any information you

> could email me at

> adkrick@... or call me at 757-715-2796.

>

> Thank-you,

> Allyson

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> of advice given by licensed health care

> professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care professional before commencing any

> medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts

> are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

August 31, 2005

Doctor Melmed. Many women have gone to him and have been very happy. Plus, he

has

testified at the FDA hearings regarding the problems encountered with implants.

DR. EDWARD P. MELMED, Plastic Surgeon,

777 Forest Lane, #10

Dallas, TX 75230

(972) 566-7755

> Hello my name is Allyson,

> I have been a member of the group for several months now. I'm having a

> very difficlt time finding a PS in my area who is familiar with the en

> bloc method of removal. I live in Virginia. East coast would be

> realistic for me. i see that there were several doctors in Florida,

> SC, and Georgia. Who had these doctors and how do you feel like they

> did. If I can't have them removed en bloc, should i remove them the

> other way? It really is getting very frustrating. At this point i just

> want them out and don't care if I have to pay for it, so I'm not

> worried about doing the lab testing. MY implanting doctor said he

> would help me , but he has not removed them enbloc or the capsule

> before, so that is a little scarry and I don't think that would be my

> first choice. If anyone has any information you could email me at

> adkrick@a... or call me at 757-715-2796.

>

> Thank-you,

> Allyson

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed

health

care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional

before

commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

Find out what

the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and

how to work

for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

>

August 31, 2005

Wow Rogene. This is a problem. I had heard he was very good. But leaving

capsules is

not good.

> > Hello my name is Allyson,

> > I have been a member of the group for several months

> > now. I'm having a

> > very difficlt time finding a PS in my area who is

> > familiar with the en

> > bloc method of removal. I live in Virginia. East

> > coast would be

> > realistic for me. i see that there were several

> > doctors in Florida,

> > SC, and Georgia. Who had these doctors and how do

> > you feel like they

> > did. If I can't have them removed en bloc, should i

> > remove them the

> > other way? It really is getting very frustrating.

> > At this point i just

> > want them out and don't care if I have to pay for

> > it, so I'm not

> > worried about doing the lab testing. MY implanting

> > doctor said he

> > would help me , but he has not removed them enbloc

> > or the capsule

> > before, so that is a little scarry and I don't think

> > that would be my

> > first choice. If anyone has any information you

> > could email me at

> > adkrick@a... or call me at 757-715-2796.

> >

> > Thank-you,

> > Allyson

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> > of advice given by licensed health care

> > professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> > health care professional before commencing any

> > medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts

> > are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> > Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> > Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

August 31, 2005

Oh dear. Has anyone asked him point blank about this?

> > > Hello my name is Allyson,

> > > I have been a member of the group for several months now. I'm having a

> > > very difficlt time finding a PS in my area who is familiar with the en

> > > bloc method of removal. I live in Virginia. East coast would be

> > > realistic for me. i see that there were several doctors in Florida,

> > > SC, and Georgia. Who had these doctors and how do you feel like they

> > > did. If I can't have them removed en bloc, should i remove them the

> > > other way? It really is getting very frustrating. At this point i just

> > > want them out and don't care if I have to pay for it, so I'm not

> > > worried about doing the lab testing. MY implanting doctor said he

> > > would help me , but he has not removed them enbloc or the capsule

> > > before, so that is a little scarry and I don't think that would be my

> > > first choice. If anyone has any information you could email me at

> > > adkrick@a... or call me at 757-715-2796.

> > >

> > > Thank-you,

> > > Allyson

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> > licensed health

> >care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> >professional before

> >commencing any medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

> > you. Find out what

> >the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life

> >and how to work

> >for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> >Chemistry; 1963,

> >Peace)

> > >

August 31, 2005

I had very thin capsules, even after 20 years! My double lumen implants were

ruptured,

but Dr. Kolb said the saline was 'long gone'. Silicone had escaped the

capsules, and Dr.

Kolb got as much as she could, and took out the capsules.

I am so grateful for that. I know thin capsules are not easy to get out, but

I'm glad she

did.

I tend to agree, Lynda, that some PS might just not want to go to the effort to

remove the

capsules. That is why I would never go to any surgeon who is hostile to the

idea that

implants can cause problems. What would be their incentive for being

meticulous about

removing as much of that as possible?

I am surprised about Dr. Melmed. I wonder if there is ever a legitimate reason

a surgeon

cannot remove the capsule? I honestly don't know the answer to that question.

> >Hello,

> >I am new to this message board and have an explant scheduled for October

> >10th with Dr. Melmed. I have gotten many recommendations for him from

> >women who say he uses the en bloc technique. He has also told me he uses

> >that technique.

> >On another site, I read a post from a woman who was upset when she found

> >out that he did not remove the entire capsule, and he responsed that he

> >removed as much as he could safely. From what I understand, it isn't

> >always possible to get out the entire capsule without damaging surrounding

> >tissues--sometimes the capsules adhere to the rib cage, etc.

> >I also know that some women go home with the drains Dr. Melmed puts in and

> >have their own doctors take them out.

> >I'm not defending Dr. Melmed, and I haven't seen him yet. I just wanted to

> >relay what I have read about him. I am curious how many women have had

> >unfortunate experiences with him. Sometimes one person's story can quickly

> >become an urban legend. I would love to know more.

> >Ciao-

> >Bindi

> >

> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

September 1, 2005

It's not so much damage with the ribs, as risk of hemorraging or

bleeding. In all my years of implant support (7 and a half so far),

I have only heard of ONE woman who experienced excessive bleeding

and had to be taken to the emergency room at a hospital (her explant

was being done in a clinic). She recovered fine and in fact,

graduated with a PhD from an Eastern university not long after her

experience.

When Daryl and I were shopping for a plastic surgeon for her

explant, we went to the head of the plastic surgery department at

UNLV. We explained that we wanted a total capsulectomy and drains,

no compromise on those two points. Boy, did he buck! He clearly

pointed out to us that he never used drains and that as far as the

total capsulectomy goes, he wouldn't guarantee that he could get

everything out. He explained that sometimes the capsule is stuck to

an area that is too hard to get to or the risk of bleeding makes it

too dangerous to remove. He seemed to be making sure he had an open

door to only remove what he wanted to. I certainly didn't feel that

he had Daryl's best health interests in mind, and he wanted to make

sure we knew who ran the show. He was an arrogant dude.

This is the general attitude we find when trying to get a total

capsulectomy or en bloc done. There is always some excuse for not

being able to remove the whole thing. I think it is an issue of

time, which equals money. A proper explant takes more time and

skill to remove the whole capsule. Only the most ethical,

compassionate and dedicated plastic surgeons are going to make sure

they do it right, and those are few and far between. It's in the

character of the person.

Unfortunately, this specific medical field seems to be filled with

car salesman " doctors " . It's a black mark on the whole field's

reputation, in my opinion.

Patty

--- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

wrote:

> Hi Shari,

>

> Are there any instances where it would be unsafe to remove the

entire

> capsule because it could cause too much damage with the ribs? In

case women

> get this excuse, I think it would be good for them to know up

front what

> would cause such a situation and if it really is possible.

>

> Kenda

>

> > lynda/ladies

> >

> > just as thought here on this subject of the scar capsule issue:

My doctor as

> > well as Dr. Blais' noted that over 30% of one the textured

shells on my saline

> > implants was missing....

> > This means that a large portion of the silicone shell was in my

body and

> > hopefully caught in the scar capsule.... For a doctor to not

remove the

> > entire capsule (especially one who says he believes in implant

illness) is

> > insane if you ask me.... the shell breaks down - that has been

proven over

> > and over again. As it does this the silicone in the shell goes

elsewhere -

> > the obvious place for a lot of it to be would be hung up in the

scar capsule

> > if it is intact. This is why I think that is sooooo important

to have a

> > doctor that removes the entire capsule - no matter how thick or

thin it is.

> > So what if it takes a little rib scraping? Isn't that what we

are paying

> > these surgeons top dollar for? I had a pretty good scraping

done to mine to

> > get the capsules out and yeah - it wasn't too pleasant and I had

extra rib

> > pain and issues but I was happy to know that it was out! What

ever silicone

> > escapes my capsules over the years is lost - I have to work on

getting that

> > out myself. At least we need to know that our surgeons are

getting every last

> > bit of implant related tissues outta there! Scar capsule and

all - think of

> > all the massaging they made you do before you realized implants

were bad....

> > I'll bet every time we did it a little particle broke off into

the scar

> > capsule. I just cannot believe that there are docs out there

that claim to

> > understand implant illness and do not take out the entire

capsules. Who would

> > want that nasty scar tissue floating around in their chest

anyways? I was so

> > disgusted with my implants by the time I had them removed I

didn't care if

> > they had to take half my ribs with them as long as all of it was

out of me!!!!

> > I didn't care about the after pain or how big the scar was and I

told my

> > doctor so.... just get rid of them and everything else w/

them!! He did a

> > great job and I ended up with very minimal scarring - I still

have some rib

> > pain as he had to do a fair amount of scraping but I am happy

with that. At

> > least I know they are all gone.... the rest will have to work

it's way out

> > through my detoxing.

> >

> > I would not go to a doctor if I were awaiting explant who did

not say up front

> > that no matter what he removes all of the capsules/scar tissue.

No excuses on

> > why not to..... I would have to move on as I couldn't trust them

at that

> > point.

> >

> > Sorry for the long post - just my opinion for the girls out

there awaiting

> > explants....

> >

> > love

> > shari

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by licensed

> > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

health care

> > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to live a

> > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

two-time

> > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

September 1, 2005

Ladies,

I was very concerned about this and wrote to ask Dr. Melmed. I can believe

there might be

some instances where it would be more harmful than helpful to remove capsules

with

saline implants. I spoke with another woman who said Dr. Feng told her the same

thing.

One thing I wondered and have asked Dr. Melmed after I got this response (below)

is what

can a doctor do if the saline implant is contaminated (with fungus etc) and that

contamination 'leaches' into the capsule... If the capsule happens to be one

that is

impossible to remove, what can be done?

This is his response to my first question. I have just sent him my second

question, so

haven't yet got a response:

" Gel capsules MUST be removed. The silicone leaches into the capsule wall.

With SALINE implants, there is NO silicone in the capsules. Secondly, these

capsules mostly

dissolve within a year and pose no risk. Lastly sometimes they are impossible to

remove

without great risk, a risk far exceeding any theoretical benefit.

I ALWAYS remove capsules in saline and gel IF POSSIBLE. There are some instances

where it

is impossible. And I can guarantee that there is not a surgeon alive who can

remove these

capsules without an enormous amount of damage: it is so flimsy, and astuck to

ribs and

muscle that in trying to remove these capsules, there is bleeding, tearing of

the muscles,

and when it is the muscles on the ribs, risk of perforation into the chest. To

achieve what?

In these insances, no-one can remove the capsule and surgeons who say they do

simply

are not telling the truth. "

I am concerned about not recommending a surgeon who has been so involved and

helpful

to women on these issues. There are so few already who are willing to help us!

At the

least, let's see if we can find out both sides.

> >It's not so much damage with the ribs, as risk of hemorraging or

> >bleeding. In all my years of implant support (7 and a half so far),

> >I have only heard of ONE woman who experienced excessive bleeding

> >and had to be taken to the emergency room at a hospital (her explant

> >was being done in a clinic). She recovered fine and in fact,

> >graduated with a PhD from an Eastern university not long after her

> >experience.

> >

> >When Daryl and I were shopping for a plastic surgeon for her

> >explant, we went to the head of the plastic surgery department at

> >UNLV. We explained that we wanted a total capsulectomy and drains,

> >no compromise on those two points. Boy, did he buck! He clearly

> >pointed out to us that he never used drains and that as far as the

> >total capsulectomy goes, he wouldn't guarantee that he could get

> >everything out. He explained that sometimes the capsule is stuck to

> >an area that is too hard to get to or the risk of bleeding makes it

> >too dangerous to remove. He seemed to be making sure he had an open

> >door to only remove what he wanted to. I certainly didn't feel that

> >he had Daryl's best health interests in mind, and he wanted to make

> >sure we knew who ran the show. He was an arrogant dude.

> >

> >This is the general attitude we find when trying to get a total

> >capsulectomy or en bloc done. There is always some excuse for not

> >being able to remove the whole thing. I think it is an issue of

> >time, which equals money. A proper explant takes more time and

> >skill to remove the whole capsule. Only the most ethical,

> >compassionate and dedicated plastic surgeons are going to make sure

> >they do it right, and those are few and far between. It's in the

> >character of the person.

> >

> >Unfortunately, this specific medical field seems to be filled with

> >car salesman " doctors " . It's a black mark on the whole field's

> >reputation, in my opinion.

> >Patty

> >

> >--- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

> >wrote:

> > > Hi Shari,

> > >

> > > Are there any instances where it would be unsafe to remove the

> >entire

> > > capsule because it could cause too much damage with the ribs? In

> >case women

> > > get this excuse, I think it would be good for them to know up

> >front what

> > > would cause such a situation and if it really is possible.

> > >

> > > Kenda

> > >

> > > > lynda/ladies

> > > >

> > > > just as thought here on this subject of the scar capsule issue:

> >My doctor as

> > > > well as Dr. Blais' noted that over 30% of one the textured

> >shells on my saline

> > > > implants was missing....

> > > > This means that a large portion of the silicone shell was in my

> >body and

> > > > hopefully caught in the scar capsule.... For a doctor to not

> >remove the

> > > > entire capsule (especially one who says he believes in implant

> >illness) is

> > > > insane if you ask me.... the shell breaks down - that has been

> >proven over

> > > > and over again. As it does this the silicone in the shell goes

> >elsewhere -

> > > > the obvious place for a lot of it to be would be hung up in the

> >scar capsule

> > > > if it is intact. This is why I think that is sooooo important

> >to have a

> > > > doctor that removes the entire capsule - no matter how thick or

> >thin it is.

> > > > So what if it takes a little rib scraping? Isn't that what we

> >are paying

> > > > these surgeons top dollar for? I had a pretty good scraping

> >done to mine to

> > > > get the capsules out and yeah - it wasn't too pleasant and I had

> >extra rib

> > > > pain and issues but I was happy to know that it was out! What

> >ever silicone

> > > > escapes my capsules over the years is lost - I have to work on

> >getting that

> > > > out myself. At least we need to know that our surgeons are

> >getting every last

> > > > bit of implant related tissues outta there! Scar capsule and

> >all - think of

> > > > all the massaging they made you do before you realized implants

> >were bad....

> > > > I'll bet every time we did it a little particle broke off into

> >the scar

> > > > capsule. I just cannot believe that there are docs out there

> >that claim to

> > > > understand implant illness and do not take out the entire

> >capsules. Who would

> > > > want that nasty scar tissue floating around in their chest

> >anyways? I was so

> > > > disgusted with my implants by the time I had them removed I

> >didn't care if

> > > > they had to take half my ribs with them as long as all of it was

> >out of me!!!!

> > > > I didn't care about the after pain or how big the scar was and I

> >told my

> > > > doctor so.... just get rid of them and everything else w/

> >them!! He did a

> > > > great job and I ended up with very minimal scarring - I still

> >have some rib

> > > > pain as he had to do a fair amount of scraping but I am happy

> >with that. At

> > > > least I know they are all gone.... the rest will have to work

> >it's way out

> > > > through my detoxing.

> > > >

> > > > I would not go to a doctor if I were awaiting explant who did

> >not say up front

> > > > that no matter what he removes all of the capsules/scar tissue.

> >No excuses on

> > > > why not to..... I would have to move on as I couldn't trust them

> >at that

> > > > point.

> > > >

> > > > Sorry for the long post - just my opinion for the girls out

> >there awaiting

> > > > explants....

> > > >

> > > > love

> > > > shari

> > > >

> > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> >given by licensed

> > > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >health care

> > > > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > > >

> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >mislead you.

> > > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> >how to live a

> > > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> >two-time

> > > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > >

September 1, 2005

Shari,

I think this is so true -

That is what I told Dr. Melmed - I did not name this forum or any names, but

asked him

about the issue of capsules. I told him some women are very concerned. I also

pointed

out that we have good reason to be becasue so many women have been deceived by

doctors on the issue of implants.

I also am checking with other surgeons. Let's see if we can find an answer to

these

questions:

1. Is it true that capsules from saline implants are less dangerous than those

from silicone

implants?

2. Is it possible that contaminated saline can leach into the capsules and

create a danger

if not removed?

3. Are there times when it is impossible to remove capsules?

4. Is it possible for a surgeon to determine if the capsules from saline

implants are

contaminated. If they are, and are not possible to remove, what alternative

does the

surgeon have to protect the woman's health?

> Kenda

>

> I can not answer that as I am not a doctor... I know mine were under the

> muscle for 7 years and one adhered pretty good to my chest wall. I am sure

there

> are good reasons doctors can give for everything - I just can not be sure

> that they are honest as I have a lot of trouble trusting anyone in the medical

> (plastic surgery) field these days.

>

> I was told a lot of things from my original PS - leaks are very uncommon (had

> a complete leak after 3 years), capsular contracture was very rare (had to

> have surgery as my CC got so bad after only 7 months after implantation) he

said

> if I removed them I would look horrible and deformed.... they have been out

> for 2 years and I didn't even have a lift and they look completely normal....

>

> I could never attempt to answer a surgical question like that as I am sure

> there are cases where bleeding may be an issue or the capsule is near the

heart

> or lungs... who is to say? I am sure those things and many more can happen

> and I could never really understand any of them as I have never had any type

of

> medical training. I just know that people get sick from implants and a lot of

> the illnesses are caused by exposure to the silicone shell - that much I can

> say so I would be reluctant to get them removed without worrying about some of

> that being left behind and what that may cause medically after time goes

> on.... maybe it is harmlessly absorbed ... maybe your body can detox the

capsule

> and silicone and you could completely be healed afterwards..... everyone is

> different so you really never can tell.

>

> I guess were I in that situation again, (needing explant) I would just have

> to look and interview as many doctors as it would take to be completely

> trusting of them and my health. there probably isn't really a single answer

for any

> question as I am sure all womens implant situations are different ... they are

> probably all different once a doctor opens you up to see what is going on -

> maybe they can't really effectively answer the question before they get in

> there and see what is going on...

>

> shari

September 1, 2005

Okay, here is where I get my shackles up. Where is there any proof

whatsoever that capsules dissolve?????? As far as I know there is

none, and quite the contrary, they continue to evolve and morph into

more dangerous masses. Dr. Pierre Blais has written a very detailed

article on this subject, which also points out that capsules,

whether from silicone gel or saline, have silicone particles

embedded in them. I don't see Dr. Melmed offering any proof that

capsules dissolve, and I certainly don't understand why he can claim

that saline implants don't have silicone in the capsules. All saline

implants have a silicone shell, and textured ones can slough off--

that means silicone particles--into the surrounding tissue--that

means the scar capsule.

I don't understand where these ideas arise from, other than somebody

said it, so everyone believes it. I am not a doctor, but it seems

to me that the idea that a capsule dissolves over time has been

refuted.

See below:

http://runningrace.freeyellow.com/explantation/en_bloc.html

The present study was designed to measure silicon levels in the

fibrous

capsules of patients with silicone-gel breast implants, saline breast

implants, and silicone inflatable penile prostheses. Baseline

control silicon

levels were obtained from the breast tissue of patients undergoing

breast

reduction, who had no exposure to breast implants. All silicon

measurements

were carried out using atomic absorption spectrometry with a

graphite furnace.

Silicon was measured in a normal heptane extract of silicone from

dried

tissue.

The mean silicon levels in 16 breast tissue control samples from 8

patients

undergoing breast reduction varied from 0.025 to 0.742 micrograms/gm

with the

median mean being 0.0927. The median silicon level in capsules from

six

patients with saline implants was 7.7 micrograms/gm (range; 1.9-36.6

micrograms/gm; averages 8,300% or 83 times more than those without a

silicone

implant). The median silicon level in capsules from five patients

with

silicone inflatable penile prostheses was 19.5 micrograms/gm (range;

1.9-34.8

micrograms/gm; .0927 divided by 19.5 = 21,000% more than those

without any

type silicone implant). Although the levels of silicon in capsules

of patients

with saline breast prostheses and penile implants were higher than

in control

samples, they were much lower than those from the capsules of the 58

gel

implants (median; 9,979 micrograms/gm; range, 371-152,000

micrograms/gm;

almost 108,000 times as much silicone in capsules Vs those without

any type

silicone implant).

Another:

Breast implant capsules are a foreign body immune response to breast

implants.

It has been proposed that capsulectomy after breast implant removal

was

unnecessary, as the body resorbs the capsule when the implant, the

impetus for

the foreign body response, is removed. We report eight women with

persistent

capsules 10 months to 17 years after silicone breast implant

removal.

NOPE--capsules don't dissolve!

YUP--Saline implants leave silicone in the body!

> > >It's not so much damage with the ribs, as risk of hemorraging or

> > >bleeding. In all my years of implant support (7 and a half so

far),

> > >I have only heard of ONE woman who experienced excessive

bleeding

> > >and had to be taken to the emergency room at a hospital (her

explant

> > >was being done in a clinic). She recovered fine and in fact,

> > >graduated with a PhD from an Eastern university not long after

her

> > >experience.

> > >

> > >When Daryl and I were shopping for a plastic surgeon for her

> > >explant, we went to the head of the plastic surgery department

at

> > >UNLV. We explained that we wanted a total capsulectomy and

drains,

> > >no compromise on those two points. Boy, did he buck! He

clearly

> > >pointed out to us that he never used drains and that as far as

the

> > >total capsulectomy goes, he wouldn't guarantee that he could get

> > >everything out. He explained that sometimes the capsule is

stuck to

> > >an area that is too hard to get to or the risk of bleeding

makes it

> > >too dangerous to remove. He seemed to be making sure he had an

open

> > >door to only remove what he wanted to. I certainly didn't feel

that

> > >he had Daryl's best health interests in mind, and he wanted to

make

> > >sure we knew who ran the show. He was an arrogant dude.

> > >

> > >This is the general attitude we find when trying to get a total

> > >capsulectomy or en bloc done. There is always some excuse for

not

> > >being able to remove the whole thing. I think it is an issue of

> > >time, which equals money. A proper explant takes more time and

> > >skill to remove the whole capsule. Only the most ethical,

> > >compassionate and dedicated plastic surgeons are going to make

sure

> > >they do it right, and those are few and far between. It's in the

> > >character of the person.

> > >

> > >Unfortunately, this specific medical field seems to be filled

with

> > >car salesman " doctors " . It's a black mark on the whole field's

> > >reputation, in my opinion.

> > >Patty

> > >

> > >--- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

> > >wrote:

> > > > Hi Shari,

> > > >

> > > > Are there any instances where it would be unsafe to remove

the

> > >entire

> > > > capsule because it could cause too much damage with the

ribs? In

> > >case women

> > > > get this excuse, I think it would be good for them to know up

> > >front what

> > > > would cause such a situation and if it really is possible.

> > > >

> > > > Kenda

> > > >

> > > > > lynda/ladies

> > > > >

> > > > > just as thought here on this subject of the scar capsule

issue:

> > >My doctor as

> > > > > well as Dr. Blais' noted that over 30% of one the textured

> > >shells on my saline

> > > > > implants was missing....

> > > > > This means that a large portion of the silicone shell was

in my

> > >body and

> > > > > hopefully caught in the scar capsule.... For a doctor to

not

> > >remove the

> > > > > entire capsule (especially one who says he believes in

implant

> > >illness) is

> > > > > insane if you ask me.... the shell breaks down - that has

been

> > >proven over

> > > > > and over again. As it does this the silicone in the shell

goes

> > >elsewhere -

> > > > > the obvious place for a lot of it to be would be hung up

in the

> > >scar capsule

> > > > > if it is intact. This is why I think that is sooooo

important

> > >to have a

> > > > > doctor that removes the entire capsule - no matter how

thick or

> > >thin it is.

> > > > > So what if it takes a little rib scraping? Isn't that

what we

> > >are paying

> > > > > these surgeons top dollar for? I had a pretty good

scraping

> > >done to mine to

> > > > > get the capsules out and yeah - it wasn't too pleasant and

I had

> > >extra rib

> > > > > pain and issues but I was happy to know that it was out!

What

> > >ever silicone

> > > > > escapes my capsules over the years is lost - I have to

work on

> > >getting that

> > > > > out myself. At least we need to know that our surgeons are

> > >getting every last

> > > > > bit of implant related tissues outta there! Scar capsule

and

> > >all - think of

> > > > > all the massaging they made you do before you realized

implants

> > >were bad....

> > > > > I'll bet every time we did it a little particle broke off

into

> > >the scar

> > > > > capsule. I just cannot believe that there are docs out

there

> > >that claim to

> > > > > understand implant illness and do not take out the entire

> > >capsules. Who would

> > > > > want that nasty scar tissue floating around in their chest

> > >anyways? I was so

> > > > > disgusted with my implants by the time I had them removed I

> > >didn't care if

> > > > > they had to take half my ribs with them as long as all of

it was

> > >out of me!!!!

> > > > > I didn't care about the after pain or how big the scar was

and I

> > >told my

> > > > > doctor so.... just get rid of them and everything else w/

> > >them!! He did a

> > > > > great job and I ended up with very minimal scarring - I

still

> > >have some rib

> > > > > pain as he had to do a fair amount of scraping but I am

happy

> > >with that. At

> > > > > least I know they are all gone.... the rest will have to

work

> > >it's way out

> > > > > through my detoxing.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would not go to a doctor if I were awaiting explant who

did

> > >not say up front

> > > > > that no matter what he removes all of the capsules/scar

tissue.

> > >No excuses on

> > > > > why not to..... I would have to move on as I couldn't

trust them

> > >at that

> > > > > point.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sorry for the long post - just my opinion for the girls out

> > >there awaiting

> > > > > explants....

> > > > >

> > > > > love

> > > > > shari

> > > > >

> > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

advice

> > >given by licensed

> > > > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed

> > >health care

> > > > > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

politicians

> > >mislead you.

> > > > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

about

> > >how to live a

> > > > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

ing,

> > >two-time

> > > > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > > >

September 1, 2005

This is a disturbing article, I agree. I will continue to ask questions, and

try to get

answers...I hate to see a doctor who had helped our cause be excluded, unless

there is a

darn good reason. And I don't have an answer to this.

> > > >It's not so much damage with the ribs, as risk of hemorraging or

> > > >bleeding. In all my years of implant support (7 and a half so

> far),

> > > >I have only heard of ONE woman who experienced excessive

> bleeding

> > > >and had to be taken to the emergency room at a hospital (her

> explant

> > > >was being done in a clinic). She recovered fine and in fact,

> > > >graduated with a PhD from an Eastern university not long after

> her

> > > >experience.

> > > >

> > > >When Daryl and I were shopping for a plastic surgeon for her

> > > >explant, we went to the head of the plastic surgery department

> at

> > > >UNLV. We explained that we wanted a total capsulectomy and

> drains,

> > > >no compromise on those two points. Boy, did he buck! He

> clearly

> > > >pointed out to us that he never used drains and that as far as

> the

> > > >total capsulectomy goes, he wouldn't guarantee that he could get

> > > >everything out. He explained that sometimes the capsule is

> stuck to

> > > >an area that is too hard to get to or the risk of bleeding

> makes it

> > > >too dangerous to remove. He seemed to be making sure he had an

> open

> > > >door to only remove what he wanted to. I certainly didn't feel

> that

> > > >he had Daryl's best health interests in mind, and he wanted to

> make

> > > >sure we knew who ran the show. He was an arrogant dude.

> > > >

> > > >This is the general attitude we find when trying to get a total

> > > >capsulectomy or en bloc done. There is always some excuse for

> not

> > > >being able to remove the whole thing. I think it is an issue of

> > > >time, which equals money. A proper explant takes more time and

> > > >skill to remove the whole capsule. Only the most ethical,

> > > >compassionate and dedicated plastic surgeons are going to make

> sure

> > > >they do it right, and those are few and far between. It's in the

> > > >character of the person.

> > > >

> > > >Unfortunately, this specific medical field seems to be filled

> with

> > > >car salesman " doctors " . It's a black mark on the whole field's

> > > >reputation, in my opinion.

> > > >Patty

> > > >

> > > >--- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

> > > >wrote:

> > > > > Hi Shari,

> > > > >

> > > > > Are there any instances where it would be unsafe to remove

> the

> > > >entire

> > > > > capsule because it could cause too much damage with the

> ribs? In

> > > >case women

> > > > > get this excuse, I think it would be good for them to know up

> > > >front what

> > > > > would cause such a situation and if it really is possible.

> > > > >

> > > > > Kenda

> > > > >

> > > > > > lynda/ladies

> > > > > >

> > > > > > just as thought here on this subject of the scar capsule

> issue:

> > > >My doctor as

> > > > > > well as Dr. Blais' noted that over 30% of one the textured

> > > >shells on my saline

> > > > > > implants was missing....

> > > > > > This means that a large portion of the silicone shell was

> in my

> > > >body and

> > > > > > hopefully caught in the scar capsule.... For a doctor to

> not

> > > >remove the

> > > > > > entire capsule (especially one who says he believes in

> implant

> > > >illness) is

> > > > > > insane if you ask me.... the shell breaks down - that has

> been

> > > >proven over

> > > > > > and over again. As it does this the silicone in the shell

> goes

> > > >elsewhere -

> > > > > > the obvious place for a lot of it to be would be hung up

> in the

> > > >scar capsule

> > > > > > if it is intact. This is why I think that is sooooo

> important

> > > >to have a

> > > > > > doctor that removes the entire capsule - no matter how

> thick or

> > > >thin it is.

> > > > > > So what if it takes a little rib scraping? Isn't that

> what we

> > > >are paying

> > > > > > these surgeons top dollar for? I had a pretty good

> scraping

> > > >done to mine to

> > > > > > get the capsules out and yeah - it wasn't too pleasant and

> I had

> > > >extra rib

> > > > > > pain and issues but I was happy to know that it was out!

> What

> > > >ever silicone

> > > > > > escapes my capsules over the years is lost - I have to

> work on

> > > >getting that

> > > > > > out myself. At least we need to know that our surgeons are

> > > >getting every last

> > > > > > bit of implant related tissues outta there! Scar capsule

> and

> > > >all - think of

> > > > > > all the massaging they made you do before you realized

> implants

> > > >were bad....

> > > > > > I'll bet every time we did it a little particle broke off

> into

> > > >the scar

> > > > > > capsule. I just cannot believe that there are docs out

> there

> > > >that claim to

> > > > > > understand implant illness and do not take out the entire

> > > >capsules. Who would

> > > > > > want that nasty scar tissue floating around in their chest

> > > >anyways? I was so

> > > > > > disgusted with my implants by the time I had them removed I

> > > >didn't care if

> > > > > > they had to take half my ribs with them as long as all of

> it was

> > > >out of me!!!!

> > > > > > I didn't care about the after pain or how big the scar was

> and I

> > > >told my

> > > > > > doctor so.... just get rid of them and everything else w/

> > > >them!! He did a

> > > > > > great job and I ended up with very minimal scarring - I

> still

> > > >have some rib

> > > > > > pain as he had to do a fair amount of scraping but I am

> happy

> > > >with that. At

> > > > > > least I know they are all gone.... the rest will have to

> work

> > > >it's way out

> > > > > > through my detoxing.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would not go to a doctor if I were awaiting explant who

> did

> > > >not say up front

> > > > > > that no matter what he removes all of the capsules/scar

> tissue.

> > > >No excuses on

> > > > > > why not to..... I would have to move on as I couldn't

> trust them

> > > >at that

> > > > > > point.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sorry for the long post - just my opinion for the girls out

> > > >there awaiting

> > > > > > explants....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > love

> > > > > > shari

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

> advice

> > > >given by licensed

> > > > > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed

> > > >health care

> > > > > > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians

> > > >mislead you.

> > > > > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> about

> > > >how to live a

> > > > > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> ing,

> > > >two-time

> > > > > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > > > >

September 1, 2005

Maybe you can send him some information - and Dr. Kolb's comments?

Im so disappointed that Dr. Melmed would so dismiss possible problems...

>

> > Good Morning:

> >

> > I had a lady here who wanted her capsules removed

> > and the plastic surgeon

> > told her that she would die if he removed her

> > capsules. Her implants were

> > under the muscle. This lady knew how important it

> > was to have the capsules

> > removed because of what had happened to me.

> >

> > The PS did clean her out properly, but she almost

> > died, they had to give her

> > blood transfusions. The good part of this story is

> > that she got better and

> > went back to work. This is the same PS who did not

> > clean me out and look at

> > what has happened to me.

> >

> > Love to all.....Lea

> >

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``

> > Re: Re: ladies who have had

> > implants removed

> > (Virginia, Texas)

> >

> > > One of the problems is that Dr. Melmed told these

> > > women he would remove everything . . . then

> > didn't!

> > >

> > > They feel very betrayed . . . especially after

> > having

> > > problems and traveling so far. One woman traveled

> > from

> > > Mexico City.

> > >

> > > One woman was told the capsule was attached to the

> > > ribs. . . with overs???? That doesn't make sense.

> > >

> > > Granted, there may be times when a doctor can't

> > remove

> > > everything. That's when women need to have a

> > doctor

> > > they can trust.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Rogene

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> > of advice given by

> > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> > physician or licensed

> > > health care professional before commencing any

> > medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > politicians mislead you.

> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > decisions about how to live

> > > a happy life and how to work for a better world. "

> > - Linus ing,

> > > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry;

> > 1963, Peace)

> > >

September 1, 2005

That is distressing, Rogene.

How can he say that saline implants do not get mold/fungus.

wow.

> Molly,

>

> I've been sending Dr. Melmed information for years. A

> lot of it has been about capsules . . . I tried to

> connect him with Dr. Blais since I met him while

> accompanying a woman to see him for her initial

> consult about six years ago.

>

> I'm very disappointed in his position. I thought he

> was one of our best doctors until I started getting

> reports of capsules left behind.

>

> He told me the pathologist he uses had never found

> mold/fungus in saline implants. . . .?????

>

> IMHO, you don't find what you don't look for . . .

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

September 2, 2005

I can't argue...I am so sorry I brought up Dr. Melmed, now. I didnt know.

> Rogene

>

> This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually thought patterns

> like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe I should mail him

my

> capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone shell.... I know

> they only made the textured implants for a short period but thousands and

> thousands got them and this is most like what is happening to all of them...

as

> Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get into the scar

> capsule and beyond...

>

> it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to even be a doctor to

> understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant. Stick it inside a

> 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold it in place....

> Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular contracture (for the

> second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue around it so they stay

> soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS..... leave them in for 7

> years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the outside of those implants

> wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are constantly

massaging

> off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had to be replaced in

99

> due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a textured one again

> for whatever reason.... My right implant was the original... 30% of the shell

> was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible through all the

> mold.

>

> Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It isn't on the implant

> anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin air? no - it was

> inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of silicone throughout my

> body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have systematic silicon

> disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as the gel patients

he

> sees.

>

> I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say that there can be

> no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/ silicone shells

> not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had their implants for

a

> short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells do not start to

> break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I could see those

> statements being true.

>

> oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

>

> shari

September 2, 2005

Molly, you've replied on both threads dealing with Dr. Melmed,

capsules not completely removed, and subsequent problems for those

women. To say you didn't know is not accurate and not fair to those

women with whom you've conversed about this very topic.

Please, just leave it be, let Patty and others comment (their

comments are a wealth of info, as always, thank you, ladies). Don't

posture, we don't need that here!

> > Rogene

> >

> > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually thought

patterns

> > like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe I

should mail him my

> > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone

shell.... I know

> > they only made the textured implants for a short period but

thousands and

> > thousands got them and this is most like what is happening to all

of them... as

> > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get into

the scar

> > capsule and beyond...

> >

> > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to even be

a doctor to

> > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant. Stick

it inside a

> > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold it in

place....

> > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular

contracture (for the

> > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue around it

so they stay

> > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS..... leave

them in for 7

> > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the outside of

those implants

> > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are

constantly massaging

> > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had to be

replaced in 99

> > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a

textured one again

> > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the original... 30%

of the shell

> > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible

through all the

> > mold.

> >

> > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It isn't on

the implant

> > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin air?

no - it was

> > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of silicone

throughout my

> > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have

systematic silicon

> > disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as the

gel patients he

> > sees.

> >

> > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say that

there can be

> > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/

silicone shells

> > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had their

implants for a

> > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells do not

start to

> > break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I could

see those

> > statements being true.

> >

> > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> >

> > shari

September 2, 2005

No problem. I won't post anymore. I brought up Dr. Melmed as a doctor for a

woman in

Texas. I did not know his postiion on this issue.

I understand Dr. Kolb was asked not to post here also. I had asked her to post

something,

thinking it might be helpful.

I will back off. I was not posturing.

I sure don't need this.

> > > Rogene

> > >

> > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually thought

> patterns

> > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe I

> should mail him my

> > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone

> shell.... I know

> > > they only made the textured implants for a short period but

> thousands and

> > > thousands got them and this is most like what is happening to all

> of them... as

> > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get into

> the scar

> > > capsule and beyond...

> > >

> > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to even be

> a doctor to

> > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant. Stick

> it inside a

> > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold it in

> place....

> > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular

> contracture (for the

> > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue around it

> so they stay

> > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS..... leave

> them in for 7

> > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the outside of

> those implants

> > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are

> constantly massaging

> > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had to be

> replaced in 99

> > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a

> textured one again

> > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the original... 30%

> of the shell

> > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible

> through all the

> > > mold.

> > >

> > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It isn't on

> the implant

> > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin air?

> no - it was

> > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of silicone

> throughout my

> > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have

> systematic silicon

> > > disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as the

> gel patients he

> > > sees.

> > >

> > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say that

> there can be

> > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/

> silicone shells

> > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had their

> implants for a

> > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells do not

> start to

> > > break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I could

> see those

> > > statements being true.

> > >

> > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > >

> > > shari

September 2, 2005

There is NO excuse for your rudeness, " GODDESS "

> > > > Rogene

> > > >

> > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually thought

> > patterns

> > > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe I

> > should mail him my

> > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone

> > shell.... I know

> > > > they only made the textured implants for a short period but

> > thousands and

> > > > thousands got them and this is most like what is happening to all

> > of them... as

> > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get into

> > the scar

> > > > capsule and beyond...

> > > >

> > > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to even be

> > a doctor to

> > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant. Stick

> > it inside a

> > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold it in

> > place....

> > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular

> > contracture (for the

> > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue around it

> > so they stay

> > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS..... leave

> > them in for 7

> > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the outside of

> > those implants

> > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are

> > constantly massaging

> > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had to be

> > replaced in 99

> > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a

> > textured one again

> > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the original... 30%

> > of the shell

> > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible

> > through all the

> > > > mold.

> > > >

> > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It isn't on

> > the implant

> > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin air?

> > no - it was

> > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of silicone

> > throughout my

> > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have

> > systematic silicon

> > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as the

> > gel patients he

> > > > sees.

> > > >

> > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say that

> > there can be

> > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/

> > silicone shells

> > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had their

> > implants for a

> > > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells do not

> > start to

> > > > break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I could

> > see those

> > > > statements being true.

> > > >

> > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > > >

> > > > shari

September 2, 2005

Thanks, Lynda. But I'm not used to insulting posts for no reason. I haven't

been on this

board, more thann once or twice before recently, because I had heard there was a

lot of

swiping. Now I see why.

I'm so sorry I offended anybody. It sure doesn't take much here.

> > > > > Rogene

> > > > >

> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually thought

> > > patterns

> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe I

> > > should mail him my

> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone

> > > shell.... I know

> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a short period but

> > > thousands and

> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like what is happening to all

> > > of them... as

> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get into

> > > the scar

> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> > > > >

> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to even be

> > > a doctor to

> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant. Stick

> > > it inside a

> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold it in

> > > place....

> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular

> > > contracture (for the

> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue around it

> > > so they stay

> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS..... leave

> > > them in for 7

> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the outside of

> > > those implants

> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are

> > > constantly massaging

> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had to be

> > > replaced in 99

> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a

> > > textured one again

> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the original... 30%

> > > of the shell

> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible

> > > through all the

> > > > > mold.

> > > > >

> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It isn't on

> > > the implant

> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin air?

> > > no - it was

> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of silicone

> > > throughout my

> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have

> > > systematic silicon

> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as the

> > > gel patients he

> > > > > sees.

> > > > >

> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say that

> > > there can be

> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/

> > > silicone shells

> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had their

> > > implants for a

> > > > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells do not

> > > start to

> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I could

> > > see those

> > > > > statements being true.

> > > > >

> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > > > >

> > > > > shari

> >

> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

September 3, 2005

> > >> > > > > Rogene

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually thought

> > >> > > patterns

> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe I

> > >> > > should mail him my

> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone

> > >> > > shell.... I know

> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a short period but

> > >> > > thousands and

> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like what is happening to all

> > >> > > of them... as

> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get into

> > >> > > the scar

> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to even be

> > >> > > a doctor to

> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant. Stick

> > >> > > it inside a

> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold it in

> > >> > > place....

> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular

> > >> > > contracture (for the

> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue around it

> > >> > > so they stay

> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS..... leave

> > >> > > them in for 7

> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the outside of

> > >> > > those implants

> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are

> > >> > > constantly massaging

> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had to be

> > >> > > replaced in 99

> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a

> > >> > > textured one again

> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the original... 30%

> > >> > > of the shell

> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible

> > >> > > through all the

> > >> > > > > mold.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It isn't on

> > >> > > the implant

> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin air?

> > >> > > no - it was

> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of silicone

> > >> > > throughout my

> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have

> > >> > > systematic silicon

> > >> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as the

> > >> > > gel patients he

> > >> > > > > sees.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say that

> > >> > > there can be

> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/

> > >> > > silicone shells

> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had their

> > >> > > implants for a

> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells do not

> > >> > > start to

> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I could

> > >> > > see those

> > >> > > > > statements being true.

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > >> > > > >

> > >> > > > > shari

> > >> >

> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> > >> >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > >> >

> > >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

> > >> >you.

> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to

> > >> >live

> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >> >

September 4, 2005

I think it is great that you ask many questions. I sure had a ton of them!

I noticed some changes almost immediately after explant (particularly the rash).

It took over a year before I started feeling a lot better. Looking back, I

realize I was

improving, it just was gradual. I still have a ways to go.

I had silicone implants too - actually 'double lumen' (silicone & saline) but

the saline was

long gone. The silicone implants were ruptured.

I sure understand how you feel. I just posted a long message to Lea, explaining

what a

mess I was just a year and a half ago. It has been a short time, it just feels

like forever. I

have improved remarkably in that time. It makes such a difference. Do you know

if your

implant(s) are ruptured?

I got one sports bra before explant, and a couple later - after I began healing.

For awihle,

I kept the velco 'wrap' that the surgeon used. Will you have drains? Did you

find out?

> >> > >> > > > > Rogene

> >> > >> > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually

> >> > >> > > > > thought

> >> > >> > > patterns

> >> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe

> >> > >> > > > > I

> >> > >> > > should mail him my

> >> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone

> >> > >> > > shell.... I know

> >> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a short period but

> >> > >> > > thousands and

> >> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like what is happening

> >> > >> > > > > to all

> >> > >> > > of them... as

> >> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get

> >> > >> > > > > into

> >> > >> > > the scar

> >> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> >> > >> > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to

> >> > >> > > > > even be

> >> > >> > > a doctor to

> >> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant.

> >> > >> > > > > Stick

> >> > >> > > it inside a

> >> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold

> >> > >> > > > > it in

> >> > >> > > place....

> >> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular

> >> > >> > > contracture (for the

> >> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue

> >> > >> > > > > around it

> >> > >> > > so they stay

> >> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS.....

> >> > >> > > > > leave

> >> > >> > > them in for 7

> >> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the outside

> >> > >> > > > > of

> >> > >> > > those implants

> >> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are

> >> > >> > > constantly massaging

> >> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had

> >> > >> > > > > to be

> >> > >> > > replaced in 99

> >> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a

> >> > >> > > textured one again

> >> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the

> >> > >> > > > > original... 30%

> >> > >> > > of the shell

> >> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible

> >> > >> > > through all the

> >> > >> > > > > mold.

> >> > >> > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It

> >> > >> > > > > isn't on

> >> > >> > > the implant

> >> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin

> >> > >> > > > > air?

> >> > >> > > no - it was

> >> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of

> >> > >> > > > > silicone

> >> > >> > > throughout my

> >> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have

> >> > >> > > systematic silicon

> >> > >> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as

> >> > >> > > > > the

> >> > >> > > gel patients he

> >> > >> > > > > sees.

> >> > >> > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say

> >> > >> > > > > that

> >> > >> > > there can be

> >> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/

> >> > >> > > silicone shells

> >> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had

> >> > >> > > > > their

> >> > >> > > implants for a

> >> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells

> >> > >> > > > > do not

> >> > >> > > start to

> >> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I

> >> > >> > > > > could

> >> > >> > > see those

> >> > >> > > > > statements being true.

> >> > >> > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> >> > >> > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > shari

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

> >> > >> >by

> >> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >> > >> >licensed

> >> > >> >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >> > >> >mislead

> >> > >> >you.

> >> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how

> >> > >> >to

> >> > >> >live

> >> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> >> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >> > >> >

September 5, 2005

I'm sorry it took you two years to feel better, Lynda, but that gives me a lot

of hope. I have

improved a lot in a year and a half but still have some problems & am very

fatigued...

Nothing like even 6 months ago, though.

I need to find a serious detox program...

> > >> > >> > > > > Rogene

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually

> > >> > >> > > > > thought

> > >> > >> > > patterns

> > >> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe

> > >> > >> > > > > I

> > >> > >> > > should mail him my

> > >> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone

> > >> > >> > > shell.... I know

> > >> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a short period but

> > >> > >> > > thousands and

> > >> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like what is happening

> > >> > >> > > > > to all

> > >> > >> > > of them... as

> > >> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get

> > >> > >> > > > > into

> > >> > >> > > the scar

> > >> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to

> > >> > >> > > > > even be

> > >> > >> > > a doctor to

> > >> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant.

> > >> > >> > > > > Stick

> > >> > >> > > it inside a

> > >> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold

> > >> > >> > > > > it in

> > >> > >> > > place....

> > >> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular

> > >> > >> > > contracture (for the

> > >> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue

> > >> > >> > > > > around it

> > >> > >> > > so they stay

> > >> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS.....

> > >> > >> > > > > leave

> > >> > >> > > them in for 7

> > >> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the outside

> > >> > >> > > > > of

> > >> > >> > > those implants

> > >> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are

> > >> > >> > > constantly massaging

> > >> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had

> > >> > >> > > > > to be

> > >> > >> > > replaced in 99

> > >> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a

> > >> > >> > > textured one again

> > >> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the

> > >> > >> > > > > original... 30%

> > >> > >> > > of the shell

> > >> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible

> > >> > >> > > through all the

> > >> > >> > > > > mold.

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It

> > >> > >> > > > > isn't on

> > >> > >> > > the implant

> > >> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin

> > >> > >> > > > > air?

> > >> > >> > > no - it was

> > >> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of

> > >> > >> > > > > silicone

> > >> > >> > > throughout my

> > >> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have

> > >> > >> > > systematic silicon

> > >> > >> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as

> > >> > >> > > > > the

> > >> > >> > > gel patients he

> > >> > >> > > > > sees.

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say

> > >> > >> > > > > that

> > >> > >> > > there can be

> > >> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/

> > >> > >> > > silicone shells

> > >> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had

> > >> > >> > > > > their

> > >> > >> > > implants for a

> > >> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells

> > >> > >> > > > > do not

> > >> > >> > > start to

> > >> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I

> > >> > >> > > > > could

> > >> > >> > > see those

> > >> > >> > > > > statements being true.

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > shari

> > >> > >> >

> > >> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

> > >> > >> >by

> > >> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > >> > >> >licensed

> > >> > >> >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > >> > >> >

> > >> > >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > >> > >> >mislead

> > >> > >> >you.

> > >> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how

> > >> > >> >to

> > >> > >> >live

> > >> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> > >> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >> > >> >

September 5, 2005

Hi Melinda,

If I remember correctly, Dr. Melmed is fully aware of the need for

an en bloc removal for those with silicone gel implants. Perhaps

since you have the gels, he will be sure to perform your explant

correctly, and you can have peace about his skill in performing this

surgery for you. I believe that Dr. Melmed has a good heart, and

that he has a good sense of the dangers associated with implants.

But perhaps you may want to get the details of your proposed surgery

in writing from him, at least so you both know what is to be

expected.

2 days with drains is better than no days with drains! I didn't

have drains at all, and I am sorry that I didn't. I think it delayed

my healing.

Best wishes on your surgery. I know it seems so far off right now.

Keep asking questions, and keep your faith in the road you have

chosen. With prayer, all things are possible!

Hugs,

Patty

> > >> > >> > > > > Rogene

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe

there is actually

> > >> > >> > > > > thought

> > >> > >> > > patterns

> > >> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much

proof.... Maybe

> > >> > >> > > > > I

> > >> > >> > > should mail him my

> > >> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of

textured silicone

> > >> > >> > > shell.... I know

> > >> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a

short period but

> > >> > >> > > thousands and

> > >> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like

what is happening

> > >> > >> > > > > to all

> > >> > >> > > of them... as

> > >> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells

shed.... particles get

> > >> > >> > > > > into

> > >> > >> > > the scar

> > >> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I

wouldn't have to

> > >> > >> > > > > even be

> > >> > >> > > a doctor to

> > >> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed

(textured) implant.

> > >> > >> > > > > Stick

> > >> > >> > > it inside a

> > >> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms

around it to hold

> > >> > >> > > > > it in

> > >> > >> > > place....

> > >> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to

avoid capsular

> > >> > >> > > contracture (for the

> > >> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the

scar tissue

> > >> > >> > > > > around it

> > >> > >> > > so they stay

> > >> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by

your PS.....

> > >> > >> > > > > leave

> > >> > >> > > them in for 7

> > >> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone

on the outside

> > >> > >> > > > > of

> > >> > >> > > those implants

> > >> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar

tissue you are

> > >> > >> > > constantly massaging

> > >> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was

smooth as it had

> > >> > >> > > > > to be

> > >> > >> > > replaced in 99

> > >> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not

choose to use a

> > >> > >> > > textured one again

> > >> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant

was the

> > >> > >> > > > > original... 30%

> > >> > >> > > of the shell

> > >> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth

spots on it visible

> > >> > >> > > through all the

> > >> > >> > > > > mold.

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing "

had gone? It

> > >> > >> > > > > isn't on

> > >> > >> > > the implant

> > >> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it

disappear into thin

> > >> > >> > > > > air?

> > >> > >> > > no - it was

> > >> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large

pieces of

> > >> > >> > > > > silicone

> > >> > >> > > throughout my

> > >> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so

sick - I have

> > >> > >> > > systematic silicon

> > >> > >> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same

symptoms are there as

> > >> > >> > > > > the

> > >> > >> > > gel patients he

> > >> > >> > > > > sees.

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any

doctor would say

> > >> > >> > > > > that

> > >> > >> > > there can be

> > >> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient

is implanted w/

> > >> > >> > > silicone shells

> > >> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a

patient that only had

> > >> > >> > > > > their

> > >> > >> > > implants for a

> > >> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that.

maybe the shells

> > >> > >> > > > > do not

> > >> > >> > > start to

> > >> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the

only instance I

> > >> > >> > > > > could

> > >> > >> > > see those

> > >> > >> > > > > statements being true.

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > shari

> > >> > >> >

> > >> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

of advice given

> > >> > >> >by

> > >> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

physician or

> > >> > >> >licensed

> > >> > >> >health care professional before commencing any

medical treatment.

> > >> > >> >

> > >> > >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

politicians

> > >> > >> >mislead

> > >> > >> >you.

> > >> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how

> > >> > >> >to

> > >> > >> >live

> > >> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus ing,

> > >> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

> > >> > >> >

September 6, 2005

Dear Patty,

I have had email correspondence with Dr. Melmed on a number of occasions. I

know he is

caring. He genuinely feels for women who have been through what we have. He

told me

that he removes capsules whenever he can, particularly with silicone implants.

He said

capsules surrounding silicone implants must be removed, because silicone leaches

into

the capsules. I also hear that he has excellent results from surgery.

> > > >> > >> > > > > Rogene

> > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe

> there is actually

> > > >> > >> > > > > thought

> > > >> > >> > > patterns

> > > >> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much

> proof.... Maybe

> > > >> > >> > > > > I

> > > >> > >> > > should mail him my

> > > >> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of

> textured silicone

> > > >> > >> > > shell.... I know

> > > >> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a

> short period but

> > > >> > >> > > thousands and

> > > >> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like

> what is happening

> > > >> > >> > > > > to all

> > > >> > >> > > of them... as

> > > >> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells

> shed.... particles get

> > > >> > >> > > > > into

> > > >> > >> > > the scar

> > > >> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I

> wouldn't have to

> > > >> > >> > > > > even be

> > > >> > >> > > a doctor to

> > > >> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed

> (textured) implant.

> > > >> > >> > > > > Stick

> > > >> > >> > > it inside a

> > > >> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms

> around it to hold

> > > >> > >> > > > > it in

> > > >> > >> > > place....

> > > >> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to

> avoid capsular

> > > >> > >> > > contracture (for the

> > > >> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the

> scar tissue

> > > >> > >> > > > > around it

> > > >> > >> > > so they stay

> > > >> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by

> your PS.....

> > > >> > >> > > > > leave

> > > >> > >> > > them in for 7

> > > >> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone

> on the outside

> > > >> > >> > > > > of

> > > >> > >> > > those implants

> > > >> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar

> tissue you are

> > > >> > >> > > constantly massaging

> > > >> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was

> smooth as it had

> > > >> > >> > > > > to be

> > > >> > >> > > replaced in 99

> > > >> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not

> choose to use a

> > > >> > >> > > textured one again

> > > >> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant

> was the

> > > >> > >> > > > > original... 30%

> > > >> > >> > > of the shell

> > > >> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth

> spots on it visible

> > > >> > >> > > through all the

> > > >> > >> > > > > mold.

> > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing "

> had gone? It

> > > >> > >> > > > > isn't on

> > > >> > >> > > the implant

> > > >> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it

> disappear into thin

> > > >> > >> > > > > air?

> > > >> > >> > > no - it was

> > > >> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large

> pieces of

> > > >> > >> > > > > silicone

> > > >> > >> > > throughout my

> > > >> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so

> sick - I have

> > > >> > >> > > systematic silicon

> > > >> > >> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same

> symptoms are there as

> > > >> > >> > > > > the

> > > >> > >> > > gel patients he

> > > >> > >> > > > > sees.

> > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any

> doctor would say

> > > >> > >> > > > > that

> > > >> > >> > > there can be

> > > >> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient

> is implanted w/

> > > >> > >> > > silicone shells

> > > >> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a

> patient that only had

> > > >> > >> > > > > their

> > > >> > >> > > implants for a

> > > >> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that.

> maybe the shells

> > > >> > >> > > > > do not

> > > >> > >> > > start to

> > > >> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the

> only instance I

> > > >> > >> > > > > could

> > > >> > >> > > see those

> > > >> > >> > > > > statements being true.

> > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > shari

> > > >> > >> >

> > > >> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> of advice given

> > > >> > >> >by

> > > >> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> physician or

> > > >> > >> >licensed

> > > >> > >> >health care professional before commencing any

> medical treatment.

> > > >> > >> >

> > > >> > >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians

> > > >> > >> >mislead

> > > >> > >> >you.

> > > >> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions about how

> > > >> > >> >to

> > > >> > >> >live

> > > >> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> Linus ing,

> > > >> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> Peace)

> > > >> > >> >

September 6, 2005

I understand that concern Lynda. I don't have an answer for it. Dr. Melmed has

asked me

if there is somewhere he can post to give a more detailed explanation. I have

suggested

he post at a forum I moderate, and another forum where I better know the forum

administrator. Would you all be willing to have him post?

I didn't suggest this forum, because I don't know you all very well.

I do think that the more information we have from surgeons, the better informed

we will

be to make decisions.

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Rogene

> > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe

> > > there is actually

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > thought

> > > > > >> > >> > > patterns

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much

> > > proof.... Maybe

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > I

> > > > > >> > >> > > should mail him my

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of

> > > textured silicone

> > > > > >> > >> > > shell.... I know

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a

> > > short period but

> > > > > >> > >> > > thousands and

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like

> > > what is happening

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > to all

> > > > > >> > >> > > of them... as

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells

> > > shed.... particles get

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > into

> > > > > >> > >> > > the scar

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I

> > > wouldn't have to

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > even be

> > > > > >> > >> > > a doctor to

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed

> > > (textured) implant.

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Stick

> > > > > >> > >> > > it inside a

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms

> > > around it to hold

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > it in

> > > > > >> > >> > > place....

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to

> > > avoid capsular

> > > > > >> > >> > > contracture (for the

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the

> > > scar tissue

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > around it

> > > > > >> > >> > > so they stay

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by

> > > your PS.....

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > leave

> > > > > >> > >> > > them in for 7

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone

> > > on the outside

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > of

> > > > > >> > >> > > those implants

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar

> > > tissue you are

> > > > > >> > >> > > constantly massaging

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was

> > > smooth as it had

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > to be

> > > > > >> > >> > > replaced in 99

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not

> > > choose to use a

> > > > > >> > >> > > textured one again

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant

> > > was the

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > original... 30%

> > > > > >> > >> > > of the shell

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth

> > > spots on it visible

> > > > > >> > >> > > through all the

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > mold.

> > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing "

> > > had gone? It

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > isn't on

> > > > > >> > >> > > the implant

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it

> > > disappear into thin

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > air?

> > > > > >> > >> > > no - it was

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large

> > > pieces of

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > silicone

> > > > > >> > >> > > throughout my

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so

> > > sick - I have

> > > > > >> > >> > > systematic silicon

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same

> > > symptoms are there as

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > the

> > > > > >> > >> > > gel patients he

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > sees.

> > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any

> > > doctor would say

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > that

> > > > > >> > >> > > there can be

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient

> > > is implanted w/

> > > > > >> > >> > > silicone shells

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a

> > > patient that only had

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > their

> > > > > >> > >> > > implants for a

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that.

> > > maybe the shells

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > do not

> > > > > >> > >> > > start to

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the

> > > only instance I

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > could

> > > > > >> > >> > > see those

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > statements being true.

> > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > >> > >> > > > > shari

> > > > > >> > >> >

> > > > > >> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> > > of advice given

> > > > > >> > >> >by

> > > > > >> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> > > physician or

> > > > > >> > >> >licensed

> > > > > >> > >> >health care professional before commencing any

> > > medical treatment.

> > > > > >> > >> >

> > > > > >> > >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > > politicians

> > > > > >> > >> >mislead

> > > > > >> > >> >you.

> > > > > >> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > > decisions about how

> > > > > >> > >> >to

> > > > > >> > >> >live

> > > > > >> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> > > Linus ing,

> > > > > >> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> > > Peace)

> > > > > >> > >> >

September 6, 2005

I will do that, Lynda.

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Rogene

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe

> > > > > there is actually

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > thought

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > patterns

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much

> > > > > proof.... Maybe

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > I

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > should mail him my

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of

> > > > > textured silicone

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > shell.... I know

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a

> > > > > short period but

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > thousands and

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like

> > > > > what is happening

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > to all

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > of them... as

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells

> > > > > shed.... particles get

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > into

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > the scar

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I

> > > > > wouldn't have to

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > even be

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > a doctor to

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed

> > > > > (textured) implant.

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Stick

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > it inside a

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms

> > > > > around it to hold

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > it in

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > place....

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to

> > > > > avoid capsular

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > contracture (for the

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the

> > > > > scar tissue

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > around it

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > so they stay

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by

> > > > > your PS.....

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > leave

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > them in for 7

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone

> > > > > on the outside

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > of

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > those implants

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar

> > > > > tissue you are

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > constantly massaging

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was

> > > > > smooth as it had

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > to be

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > replaced in 99

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not

> > > > > choose to use a

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > textured one again

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant

> > > > > was the

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > original... 30%

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > of the shell

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth

> > > > > spots on it visible

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > through all the

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > mold.

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing "

> > > > > had gone? It

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > isn't on

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > the implant

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it

> > > > > disappear into thin

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > air?

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > no - it was

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large

> > > > > pieces of

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > silicone

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > throughout my

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so

> > > > > sick - I have

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > systematic silicon

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same

> > > > > symptoms are there as

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > the

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > gel patients he

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > sees.

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any

> > > > > doctor would say

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > that

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > there can be

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient

> > > > > is implanted w/

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > silicone shells

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a

> > > > > patient that only had

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > their

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > implants for a

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that.

> > > > > maybe the shells

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > do not

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > start to

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the

> > > > > only instance I

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > could

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > see those

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > statements being true.

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > > shari

> > > > > > > >> > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> > > > > of advice given

> > > > > > > >> > >> >by

> > > > > > > >> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> > > > > physician or

> > > > > > > >> > >> >licensed

> > > > > > > >> > >> >health care professional before commencing any

> > > > > medical treatment.

> > > > > > > >> > >> >

> > > > > > > >> > >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > > > > politicians

> > > > > > > >> > >> >mislead

> > > > > > > >> > >> >you.

> > > > > > > >> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > > > > decisions about how

> > > > > > > >> > >> >to

> > > > > > > >> > >> >live

> > > > > > > >> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> > > > > Linus ing,

> > > > > > > >> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> > > > > Peace)

> > > > > > > >> > >> >

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