Re: Re: ladies who have had implants removed (Virginia, Texas)

[Guest guest]

I think I did talk to you a couple of years ago.

Lynda

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I am pretty new to this group and am looking for some advice as to what to expect after an en bloc procedure. I have mine scheduled for October 10. Does one feel pretty bad for awhile? Though I can't imagine feeling worse than I do now. Did some people notice an immediate shift in their previous symptoms or did it take awhile? I have silicone gel implants and my symptoms are chronic pain, brain fog, vertigo, exhaustion, TMJ, etc.,etc. I haven't worked since January and my disability runs out in January 2006. I am hoping to be well enough to work by then, but it's hard to know.

Also, is it a good idea to shop for bras before the surgery?

Sorry for the barrage of questions! I'm justr feeling a little anxious, not knowing what to expect!

Ciao~

Melinda

Re: ladies who have had implants removed (Virginia, Texas)> >> > >> > > > > Rogene>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually >> > >> > > > > thought>> > >> > > patterns>> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe >> > >> > > > > I>> > >> > > should mail him my>> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone>> > >> > > shell.... I know>> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a short period but>> > >> > > thousands and>> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like what is happening >> > >> > > > > to all>> > >> > > of them... as>> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get >> > >> > > > > into>> > >> > > the scar>> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to >> > >> > > > > even be>> > >> > > a doctor to>> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant. >> > >> > > > > Stick>> > >> > > it inside a>> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold >> > >> > > > > it in>> > >> > > place....>> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular>> > >> > > contracture (for the>> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue >> > >> > > > > around it>> > >> > > so they stay>> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS..... >> > >> > > > > leave>> > >> > > them in for 7>> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that "ribbed" silicone on the outside >> > >> > > > > of>> > >> > > those implants>> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are>> > >> > > constantly massaging>> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had >> > >> > > > > to be>> > >> > > replaced in 99>> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a>> > >> > > textured one again>> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the >> > >> > > > > original... 30%>> > >> > > of the shell>> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible>> > >> > > through all the>> > >> > > > > mold.>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this "ribbing" had gone? It >> > >> > > > > isn't on>> > >> > > the implant>> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin >> > >> > > > > air?>> > >> > > no - it was>> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of >> > >> > > > > silicone>> > >> > > throughout my>> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have>> > >> > > systematic silicon>> > >> > > > > disease" as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as >> > >> > > > > the>> > >> > > gel patients he>> > >> > > > > sees.>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say >> > >> > > > > that>> > >> > > there can be>> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/>> > >> > > silicone shells>> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had >> > >> > > > > their>> > >> > > implants for a>> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells >> > >> > > > > do not>> > >> > > start to>> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I >> > >> > > > > could>> > >> > > see those>> > >> > > > > statements being true.>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....>> > >> > > > >>> > >> > > > > shari>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given >> > >> >by>> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or >> > >> >licensed>> > >> >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.>> > >> >>> > >> >"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians >> > >> >mislead>> > >> >you.>> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how >> > >> >to>> > >> >live>> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing,>> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)>> > >> >>> > >> >

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Where are you and who is doing your surgery. Did you have a mastectomy or

augmentation.

I felt better after removal, and depending on who does your surgery you may

look great. I had a mastectomy on one side, so I have nothing there.

If they do the proper procedure (many say they do enbloc, but do not), then

you should feel better after surgery. There is some toxins from

anaesthesia, so that may affect you for a short time.

It took me two years to think I might live, I was so very ill. Many feel

better immediately. We need to detox our bodies to help us feel better often.

Lynda

At 11:44 AM 9/4/2005, you wrote:

>Hello,

>I am pretty new to this group and am looking for some advice as to what to

>expect after an en bloc procedure. I have mine scheduled for October 10.

>Does one feel pretty bad for awhile? Though I can't imagine feeling worse

>than I do now. Did some people notice an immediate shift in their previous

>symptoms or did it take awhile? I have silicone gel implants and my

>symptoms are chronic pain, brain fog, vertigo, exhaustion, TMJ, etc.,etc.

>I haven't worked since January and my disability runs out in January 2006.

>I am hoping to be well enough to work by then, but it's hard to know.

>Also, is it a good idea to shop for bras before the surgery?

>Sorry for the barrage of questions! I'm justr feeling a little anxious,

>not knowing what to expect!

>Ciao~

>Melinda

> Re: ladies who have had implants removed (Virginia,

>Texas)

>

>

> >

> >> > >> > > > > Rogene

> >> > >> > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually

> >> > >> > > > > thought

> >> > >> > > patterns

> >> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe

> >> > >> > > > > I

> >> > >> > > should mail him my

> >> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone

> >> > >> > > shell.... I know

> >> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a short period but

> >> > >> > > thousands and

> >> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like what is happening

> >> > >> > > > > to all

> >> > >> > > of them... as

> >> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get

> >> > >> > > > > into

> >> > >> > > the scar

> >> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> >> > >> > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to

> >> > >> > > > > even be

> >> > >> > > a doctor to

> >> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant.

> >> > >> > > > > Stick

> >> > >> > > it inside a

> >> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold

> >> > >> > > > > it in

> >> > >> > > place....

> >> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular

> >> > >> > > contracture (for the

> >> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue

> >> > >> > > > > around it

> >> > >> > > so they stay

> >> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS.....

> >> > >> > > > > leave

> >> > >> > > them in for 7

> >> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the outside

> >> > >> > > > > of

> >> > >> > > those implants

> >> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are

> >> > >> > > constantly massaging

> >> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had

> >> > >> > > > > to be

> >> > >> > > replaced in 99

> >> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a

> >> > >> > > textured one again

> >> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the

> >> > >> > > > > original... 30%

> >> > >> > > of the shell

> >> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible

> >> > >> > > through all the

> >> > >> > > > > mold.

> >> > >> > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It

> >> > >> > > > > isn't on

> >> > >> > > the implant

> >> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin

> >> > >> > > > > air?

> >> > >> > > no - it was

> >> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of

> >> > >> > > > > silicone

> >> > >> > > throughout my

> >> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have

> >> > >> > > systematic silicon

> >> > >> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as

> >> > >> > > > > the

> >> > >> > > gel patients he

> >> > >> > > > > sees.

> >> > >> > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say

> >> > >> > > > > that

> >> > >> > > there can be

> >> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/

> >> > >> > > silicone shells

> >> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had

> >> > >> > > > > their

> >> > >> > > implants for a

> >> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells

> >> > >> > > > > do not

> >> > >> > > start to

> >> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I

> >> > >> > > > > could

> >> > >> > > see those

> >> > >> > > > > statements being true.

> >> > >> > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> >> > >> > > > >

> >> > >> > > > > shari

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

> >> > >> >by

> >> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >> > >> >licensed

> >> > >> >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >> > >> >mislead

> >> > >> >you.

> >> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how

> >> > >> >to

> >> > >> >live

> >> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> >> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >> > >> >

> >> > >> >

[Guest guest]

I had an augmentation. I don't know if there has been any rupture, but I started to feel bad about a month after the surgery. The first symptom was vertigo, and I slid downhill from there. I also developed a small lump near my implant-- don't know yet what it is. I'm afraid to get a mamammogram, due to the threat of rupture. I'm requesting its removal during explantation.

I chose the somewhat controversial Dr. Melmed, after reading many posts by women who went to him. I know some people are suspicious of his claim that it is not always possible to get out every bit of the capsules without danger to the woman, but I still feel in my gut that he's the man. He has done many, many en bloc procedures and is concerned enough to have the capsules analyzed afterwards. It's a real financial stretch for me to go to him, but he's less than the other highly-recommended doctors and closer to where I live (California). I couldn't find anyone here I felt comfortable with--I tried two surgeon's lists that have been circulating.

Dr. Melmed does use drains, but typically removes them after two days. I am a little leery about flying home just two days after surgery, but I'll be glad to get back home.

Thanks for any and all advice!

Melinda

From: MollyBloom54

Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:12 AM

Subject: Re: ladies who have had implants removed (Virginia, Texas)

I think it is great that you ask many questions. I sure had a ton of them!I noticed some changes almost immediately after explant (particularly the rash).It took over a year before I started feeling a lot better. Looking back, I realize I was improving, it just was gradual. I still have a ways to go.I had silicone implants too - actually 'double lumen' (silicone & saline) but the saline was long gone. The silicone implants were ruptured. I sure understand how you feel. I just posted a long message to Lea, explaining what a mess I was just a year and a half ago. It has been a short time, it just feels like forever. I have improved remarkably in that time. It makes such a difference. Do you know if your implant(s) are ruptured? I got one sports bra before explant, and a couple later - after I began healing. For awihle, I kept the velco 'wrap' that the surgeon used. Will you have drains? Did you find out?> >> > >> > > > > Rogene> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually > >> > >> > > > > thought> >> > >> > > patterns> >> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe > >> > >> > > > > I> >> > >> > > should mail him my> >> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone> >> > >> > > shell.... I know> >> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a short period but> >> > >> > > thousands and> >> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like what is happening > >> > >> > > > > to all> >> > >> > > of them... as> >> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get > >> > >> > > > > into> >> > >> > > the scar> >> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to > >> > >> > > > > even be> >> > >> > > a doctor to> >> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant. > >> > >> > > > > Stick> >> > >> > > it inside a> >> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold > >> > >> > > > > it in> >> > >> > > place....> >> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular> >> > >> > > contracture (for the> >> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue > >> > >> > > > > around it> >> > >> > > so they stay> >> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS..... > >> > >> > > > > leave> >> > >> > > them in for 7> >> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that "ribbed" silicone on the outside > >> > >> > > > > of> >> > >> > > those implants> >> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are> >> > >> > > constantly massaging> >> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had > >> > >> > > > > to be> >> > >> > > replaced in 99> >> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a> >> > >> > > textured one again> >> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the > >> > >> > > > > original... 30%> >> > >> > > of the shell> >> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible> >> > >> > > through all the> >> > >> > > > > mold.> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this "ribbing" had gone? It > >> > >> > > > > isn't on> >> > >> > > the implant> >> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin > >> > >> > > > > air?> >> > >> > > no - it was> >> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of > >> > >> > > > > silicone> >> > >> > > throughout my> >> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have> >> > >> > > systematic silicon> >> > >> > > > > disease" as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as > >> > >> > > > > the> >> > >> > > gel patients he> >> > >> > > > > sees.> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say > >> > >> > > > > that> >> > >> > > there can be> >> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/> >> > >> > > silicone shells> >> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had > >> > >> > > > > their> >> > >> > > implants for a> >> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells > >> > >> > > > > do not> >> > >> > > start to> >> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I > >> > >> > > > > could> >> > >> > > see those> >> > >> > > > > statements being true.> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > > shari> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given > >> > >> >by> >> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or > >> > >> >licensed> >> > >> >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.> >> > >> >> >> > >> >"Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > >> > >> >mislead> >> > >> >you.> >> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how > >> > >> >to> >> > >> >live> >> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing,> >> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> >> > >> >> >> > >> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Melinda,

I think you might want to consider Dr. Huang in Denver, who always removes

the scar capsules en bloc. She is about half of what Dr. Melmed

charges. www.lindahuangmd.com

We are concerned with Dr. Melmed, as the scar capsule should NEVER even be

opened during surgery, as that allows many more toxins and much more

exposure to silicone.

I wish you the best. This is a tough time for you.

Lynda

At 12:50 PM 9/4/2005, you wrote:

>I had an augmentation. I don't know if there has been any rupture, but I

>started to feel bad about a month after the surgery. The first symptom

>was vertigo, and I slid downhill from there. I also developed a small lump

>near my implant-- don't know yet what it is. I'm afraid to get a

>mamammogram, due to the threat of rupture. I'm requesting its removal

>during explantation.

>

>I chose the somewhat controversial Dr. Melmed, after reading many posts by

>women who went to him. I know some people are suspicious of his claim that

>it is not always possible to get out every bit of the capsules without

>danger to the woman, but I still feel in my gut that he's the man. He has

>done many, many en bloc procedures and is concerned enough to have the

>capsules analyzed afterwards. It's a real financial stretch for me to go

>to him, but he's less than the other highly-recommended doctors and closer

>to where I live (California). I couldn't find anyone here I felt

>comfortable with--I tried two surgeon's lists that have been circulating.

>

>Dr. Melmed does use drains, but typically removes them after two days. I

>am a little leery about flying home just two days after surgery, but I'll

>be glad to get back home.

>

>Thanks for any and all advice!

>Melinda

>

>

>

>

>

>

>From: <mailto:jawlaw93@...>MollyBloom54

><mailto: >

>Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 11:12 AM

>Subject: Re: ladies who have had implants removed

>(Virginia, Texas)

>

>I think it is great that you ask many questions. I sure had a ton of them!

>I noticed some changes almost immediately after explant (particularly the

>rash).

>It took over a year before I started feeling a lot better. Looking back,

>I realize I was

>improving, it just was gradual. I still have a ways to go.

>

>I had silicone implants too - actually 'double lumen' (silicone & saline)

>but the saline was

>long gone. The silicone implants were ruptured.

>I sure understand how you feel. I just posted a long message to Lea,

>explaining what a

>mess I was just a year and a half ago. It has been a short time, it just

>feels like forever. I

>have improved remarkably in that time. It makes such a difference. Do

>you know if your

>implant(s) are ruptured?

>

>I got one sports bra before explant, and a couple later - after I began

>healing. For awihle,

>I kept the velco 'wrap' that the surgeon used. Will you have drains? Did

>you find out?

>

>

>

>

> > >> > >> > > > > Rogene

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is

> actually

> > >> > >> > > > > thought

> > >> > >> > > patterns

> > >> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof....

> Maybe

> > >> > >> > > > > I

> > >> > >> > > should mail him my

> > >> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured

> silicone

> > >> > >> > > shell.... I know

> > >> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a short

> period but

> > >> > >> > > thousands and

> > >> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like what is

> happening

> > >> > >> > > > > to all

> > >> > >> > > of them... as

> > >> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed....

> particles get

> > >> > >> > > > > into

> > >> > >> > > the scar

> > >> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to

> > >> > >> > > > > even be

> > >> > >> > > a doctor to

> > >> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured)

> implant.

> > >> > >> > > > > Stick

> > >> > >> > > it inside a

> > >> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it

> to hold

> > >> > >> > > > > it in

> > >> > >> > > place....

> > >> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular

> > >> > >> > > contracture (for the

> > >> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue

> > >> > >> > > > > around it

> > >> > >> > > so they stay

> > >> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your

> PS.....

> > >> > >> > > > > leave

> > >> > >> > > them in for 7

> > >> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the

> outside

> > >> > >> > > > > of

> > >> > >> > > those implants

> > >> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue

> you are

> > >> > >> > > constantly massaging

> > >> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as

> it had

> > >> > >> > > > > to be

> > >> > >> > > replaced in 99

> > >> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to

> use a

> > >> > >> > > textured one again

> > >> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the

> > >> > >> > > > > original... 30%

> > >> > >> > > of the shell

> > >> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it

> visible

> > >> > >> > > through all the

> > >> > >> > > > > mold.

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It

> > >> > >> > > > > isn't on

> > >> > >> > > the implant

> > >> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into

> thin

> > >> > >> > > > > air?

> > >> > >> > > no - it was

> > >> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of

> > >> > >> > > > > silicone

> > >> > >> > > throughout my

> > >> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I

> have

> > >> > >> > > systematic silicon

> > >> > >> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are

> there as

> > >> > >> > > > > the

> > >> > >> > > gel patients he

> > >> > >> > > > > sees.

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor

> would say

> > >> > >> > > > > that

> > >> > >> > > there can be

> > >> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is

> implanted w/

> > >> > >> > > silicone shells

> > >> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that

> only had

> > >> > >> > > > > their

> > >> > >> > > implants for a

> > >> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the

> shells

> > >> > >> > > > > do not

> > >> > >> > > start to

> > >> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the only

> instance I

> > >> > >> > > > > could

> > >> > >> > > see those

> > >> > >> > > > > statements being true.

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > >> > >> > > > >

> > >> > >> > > > > shari

> > >> > >> >

> > >> > >> >

> > >> > >> >

> > >> > >> >

> > >> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given

> > >> > >> >by

> > >> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > >> > >> >licensed

> > >> > >> >health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

> > >> > >> >

> > >> > >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > >> > >> >mislead

> > >> > >> >you.

> > >> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> about how

> > >> > >> >to

> > >> > >> >live

> > >> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> ing,

> > >> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >> > >> >

> > >> > >> >

[Guest guest]

It took me 5 years to really feel like I might have a life, so don't give

up hope. It was two years until I thought I might actually live through

the whole thing.

Lynda

'tAt 09:37 PM 9/5/2005, you wrote:

>I'm sorry it took you two years to feel better, Lynda, but that gives me a

>lot of hope. I have

>improved a lot in a year and a half but still have some problems & am very

>fatigued...

>Nothing like even 6 months ago, though.

>I need to find a serious detox program...

>

>

> > > >> > >> > > > > Rogene

> > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually

> > > >> > >> > > > > thought

> > > >> > >> > > patterns

> > > >> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof....

> Maybe

> > > >> > >> > > > > I

> > > >> > >> > > should mail him my

> > > >> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured

> silicone

> > > >> > >> > > shell.... I know

> > > >> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a short

> period but

> > > >> > >> > > thousands and

> > > >> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like what is

> happening

> > > >> > >> > > > > to all

> > > >> > >> > > of them... as

> > > >> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed....

> particles get

> > > >> > >> > > > > into

> > > >> > >> > > the scar

> > > >> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to

> > > >> > >> > > > > even be

> > > >> > >> > > a doctor to

> > > >> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant.

> > > >> > >> > > > > Stick

> > > >> > >> > > it inside a

> > > >> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it

> to hold

> > > >> > >> > > > > it in

> > > >> > >> > > place....

> > > >> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular

> > > >> > >> > > contracture (for the

> > > >> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue

> > > >> > >> > > > > around it

> > > >> > >> > > so they stay

> > > >> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS.....

> > > >> > >> > > > > leave

> > > >> > >> > > them in for 7

> > > >> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the

> outside

> > > >> > >> > > > > of

> > > >> > >> > > those implants

> > > >> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue

> you are

> > > >> > >> > > constantly massaging

> > > >> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as

> it had

> > > >> > >> > > > > to be

> > > >> > >> > > replaced in 99

> > > >> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to

> use a

> > > >> > >> > > textured one again

> > > >> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the

> > > >> > >> > > > > original... 30%

> > > >> > >> > > of the shell

> > > >> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it

> visible

> > > >> > >> > > through all the

> > > >> > >> > > > > mold.

> > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It

> > > >> > >> > > > > isn't on

> > > >> > >> > > the implant

> > > >> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin

> > > >> > >> > > > > air?

> > > >> > >> > > no - it was

> > > >> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of

> > > >> > >> > > > > silicone

> > > >> > >> > > throughout my

> > > >> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I

> have

> > > >> > >> > > systematic silicon

> > > >> > >> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are

> there as

> > > >> > >> > > > > the

> > > >> > >> > > gel patients he

> > > >> > >> > > > > sees.

> > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor

> would say

> > > >> > >> > > > > that

> > > >> > >> > > there can be

> > > >> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is

> implanted w/

> > > >> > >> > > silicone shells

> > > >> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that

> only had

> > > >> > >> > > > > their

> > > >> > >> > > implants for a

> > > >> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the

> shells

> > > >> > >> > > > > do not

> > > >> > >> > > start to

> > > >> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the only

> instance I

> > > >> > >> > > > > could

> > > >> > >> > > see those

> > > >> > >> > > > > statements being true.

> > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > >> > >> > > > > shari

> > > >> > >> >

> > > >> > >> >

> > > >> > >> >

> > > >> > >> >

> > > >> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given

> > > >> > >> >by

> > > >> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > > >> > >> >licensed

> > > >> > >> >health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

> > > >> > >> >

> > > >> > >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > > >> > >> >mislead

> > > >> > >> >you.

> > > >> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> about how

> > > >> > >> >to

> > > >> > >> >live

> > > >> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> ing,

> > > >> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > >> > >> >

> > > >> > >> >

[Guest guest]

It is that: " Whenever he can " that really hits me. There is no excuse not

to remove capsules from silicone.

Lynda

At 05:29 PM 9/6/2005, you wrote:

>Dear Patty,

>I have had email correspondence with Dr. Melmed on a number of

>occasions. I know he is

>caring. He genuinely feels for women who have been through what we

>have. He told me

>that he removes capsules whenever he can, particularly with silicone

>implants. He said

>capsules surrounding silicone implants must be removed, because silicone

>leaches into

>the capsules. I also hear that he has excellent results from surgery.

>

>

> > > > >> > >> > > > > Rogene

> > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe

> > there is actually

> > > > >> > >> > > > > thought

> > > > >> > >> > > patterns

> > > > >> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much

> > proof.... Maybe

> > > > >> > >> > > > > I

> > > > >> > >> > > should mail him my

> > > > >> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of

> > textured silicone

> > > > >> > >> > > shell.... I know

> > > > >> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a

> > short period but

> > > > >> > >> > > thousands and

> > > > >> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like

> > what is happening

> > > > >> > >> > > > > to all

> > > > >> > >> > > of them... as

> > > > >> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells

> > shed.... particles get

> > > > >> > >> > > > > into

> > > > >> > >> > > the scar

> > > > >> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I

> > wouldn't have to

> > > > >> > >> > > > > even be

> > > > >> > >> > > a doctor to

> > > > >> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed

> > (textured) implant.

> > > > >> > >> > > > > Stick

> > > > >> > >> > > it inside a

> > > > >> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms

> > around it to hold

> > > > >> > >> > > > > it in

> > > > >> > >> > > place....

> > > > >> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to

> > avoid capsular

> > > > >> > >> > > contracture (for the

> > > > >> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the

> > scar tissue

> > > > >> > >> > > > > around it

> > > > >> > >> > > so they stay

> > > > >> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by

> > your PS.....

> > > > >> > >> > > > > leave

> > > > >> > >> > > them in for 7

> > > > >> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone

> > on the outside

> > > > >> > >> > > > > of

> > > > >> > >> > > those implants

> > > > >> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar

> > tissue you are

> > > > >> > >> > > constantly massaging

> > > > >> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was

> > smooth as it had

> > > > >> > >> > > > > to be

> > > > >> > >> > > replaced in 99

> > > > >> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not

> > choose to use a

> > > > >> > >> > > textured one again

> > > > >> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant

> > was the

> > > > >> > >> > > > > original... 30%

> > > > >> > >> > > of the shell

> > > > >> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth

> > spots on it visible

> > > > >> > >> > > through all the

> > > > >> > >> > > > > mold.

> > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing "

> > had gone? It

> > > > >> > >> > > > > isn't on

> > > > >> > >> > > the implant

> > > > >> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it

> > disappear into thin

> > > > >> > >> > > > > air?

> > > > >> > >> > > no - it was

> > > > >> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large

> > pieces of

> > > > >> > >> > > > > silicone

> > > > >> > >> > > throughout my

> > > > >> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so

> > sick - I have

> > > > >> > >> > > systematic silicon

> > > > >> > >> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same

> > symptoms are there as

> > > > >> > >> > > > > the

> > > > >> > >> > > gel patients he

> > > > >> > >> > > > > sees.

> > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any

> > doctor would say

> > > > >> > >> > > > > that

> > > > >> > >> > > there can be

> > > > >> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient

> > is implanted w/

> > > > >> > >> > > silicone shells

> > > > >> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a

> > patient that only had

> > > > >> > >> > > > > their

> > > > >> > >> > > implants for a

> > > > >> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that.

> > maybe the shells

> > > > >> > >> > > > > do not

> > > > >> > >> > > start to

> > > > >> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the

> > only instance I

> > > > >> > >> > > > > could

> > > > >> > >> > > see those

> > > > >> > >> > > > > statements being true.

> > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > >> > >> > > > > shari

> > > > >> > >> >

> > > > >> > >> >

> > > > >> > >> >

> > > > >> > >> >

> > > > >> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> > of advice given

> > > > >> > >> >by

> > > > >> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> > physician or

> > > > >> > >> >licensed

> > > > >> > >> >health care professional before commencing any

> > medical treatment.

> > > > >> > >> >

> > > > >> > >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > politicians

> > > > >> > >> >mislead

> > > > >> > >> >you.

> > > > >> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > decisions about how

> > > > >> > >> >to

> > > > >> > >> >live

> > > > >> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> > Linus ing,

> > > > >> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> > Peace)

> > > > >> > >> >

> > > > >> > >> >

[Guest guest]

Molly,

My recommendation is that he post where you have recommended, and then send

us a link.

Others may have different recommendations. I am sure you will hear from

them soon.

Thanks,

Lynda

At 06:00 PM 9/6/2005, you wrote:

>I understand that concern Lynda. I don't have an answer for it. Dr.

>Melmed has asked me

>if there is somewhere he can post to give a more detailed explanation. I

>have suggested

>he post at a forum I moderate, and another forum where I better know the

>forum

>administrator. Would you all be willing to have him post?

>I didn't suggest this forum, because I don't know you all very well.

>I do think that the more information we have from surgeons, the better

>informed we will

>be to make decisions.

>

>

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Rogene

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe

> > > > there is actually

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > thought

> > > > > > >> > >> > > patterns

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much

> > > > proof.... Maybe

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > I

> > > > > > >> > >> > > should mail him my

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of

> > > > textured silicone

> > > > > > >> > >> > > shell.... I know

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a

> > > > short period but

> > > > > > >> > >> > > thousands and

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like

> > > > what is happening

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > to all

> > > > > > >> > >> > > of them... as

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells

> > > > shed.... particles get

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > into

> > > > > > >> > >> > > the scar

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I

> > > > wouldn't have to

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > even be

> > > > > > >> > >> > > a doctor to

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed

> > > > (textured) implant.

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Stick

> > > > > > >> > >> > > it inside a

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms

> > > > around it to hold

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > it in

> > > > > > >> > >> > > place....

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to

> > > > avoid capsular

> > > > > > >> > >> > > contracture (for the

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the

> > > > scar tissue

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > around it

> > > > > > >> > >> > > so they stay

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by

> > > > your PS.....

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > leave

> > > > > > >> > >> > > them in for 7

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone

> > > > on the outside

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > of

> > > > > > >> > >> > > those implants

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar

> > > > tissue you are

> > > > > > >> > >> > > constantly massaging

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was

> > > > smooth as it had

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > to be

> > > > > > >> > >> > > replaced in 99

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not

> > > > choose to use a

> > > > > > >> > >> > > textured one again

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant

> > > > was the

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > original... 30%

> > > > > > >> > >> > > of the shell

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth

> > > > spots on it visible

> > > > > > >> > >> > > through all the

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > mold.

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing "

> > > > had gone? It

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > isn't on

> > > > > > >> > >> > > the implant

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it

> > > > disappear into thin

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > air?

> > > > > > >> > >> > > no - it was

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large

> > > > pieces of

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > silicone

> > > > > > >> > >> > > throughout my

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so

> > > > sick - I have

> > > > > > >> > >> > > systematic silicon

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same

> > > > symptoms are there as

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > the

> > > > > > >> > >> > > gel patients he

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > sees.

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any

> > > > doctor would say

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > that

> > > > > > >> > >> > > there can be

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient

> > > > is implanted w/

> > > > > > >> > >> > > silicone shells

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a

> > > > patient that only had

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > their

> > > > > > >> > >> > > implants for a

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that.

> > > > maybe the shells

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > do not

> > > > > > >> > >> > > start to

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the

> > > > only instance I

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > could

> > > > > > >> > >> > > see those

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > statements being true.

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > >

> > > > > > >> > >> > > > > shari

> > > > > > >> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> > > > of advice given

> > > > > > >> > >> >by

> > > > > > >> > >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> > > > physician or

> > > > > > >> > >> >licensed

> > > > > > >> > >> >health care professional before commencing any

> > > > medical treatment.

> > > > > > >> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > > > politicians

> > > > > > >> > >> >mislead

> > > > > > >> > >> >you.

> > > > > > >> > >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > > > decisions about how

> > > > > > >> > >> >to

> > > > > > >> > >> >live

> > > > > > >> > >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> > > > Linus ing,

> > > > > > >> > >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> > > > Peace)

> > > > > > >> > >> >

> > > > > > >> > >> >

[Guest guest]

Molly,

One problem I'm having with what Dr. Melmed says is

why, if he ALWAYS removes silicone gel capsules, is it

EVER too dangerous to remove all the saline capsules?

Hugs,

Rogene