Re: Re: ladies who have had implants removed (Virginia, Texas)

[Guest guest]

Yes, but lately we have found out that he is not removing the scar

capsules, so cannot recomment him anymore.

Lynda

At 04:55 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

>Doctor Melmed. Many women have gone to him and have been very

>happy. Plus, he has

>testified at the FDA hearings regarding the problems encountered with

>implants.

>

>DR. EDWARD P. MELMED, Plastic Surgeon,

>777 Forest Lane, #10

>Dallas, TX 75230

>

>(972) 566-7755

>

>

> > Hello my name is Allyson,

> > I have been a member of the group for several months now. I'm having a

> > very difficlt time finding a PS in my area who is familiar with the en

> > bloc method of removal. I live in Virginia. East coast would be

> > realistic for me. i see that there were several doctors in Florida,

> > SC, and Georgia. Who had these doctors and how do you feel like they

> > did. If I can't have them removed en bloc, should i remove them the

> > other way? It really is getting very frustrating. At this point i just

> > want them out and don't care if I have to pay for it, so I'm not

> > worried about doing the lab testing. MY implanting doctor said he

> > would help me , but he has not removed them enbloc or the capsule

> > before, so that is a little scarry and I don't think that would be my

> > first choice. If anyone has any information you could email me at

> > adkrick@a... or call me at 757-715-2796.

> >

> > Thank-you,

> > Allyson

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> licensed health

>care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

>professional before

>commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

> you. Find out what

>the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life

>and how to work

>for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

>Chemistry; 1963,

>Peace)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, I believe they have confronted him. But, he is the doctor and he

knows best, right????

Lynda

At 05:36 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

>Oh dear. Has anyone asked him point blank about this?

>

>

>

> > > > Hello my name is Allyson,

> > > > I have been a member of the group for several months now. I'm having a

> > > > very difficlt time finding a PS in my area who is familiar with the en

> > > > bloc method of removal. I live in Virginia. East coast would be

> > > > realistic for me. i see that there were several doctors in Florida,

> > > > SC, and Georgia. Who had these doctors and how do you feel like they

> > > > did. If I can't have them removed en bloc, should i remove them the

> > > > other way? It really is getting very frustrating. At this point i just

> > > > want them out and don't care if I have to pay for it, so I'm not

> > > > worried about doing the lab testing. MY implanting doctor said he

> > > > would help me , but he has not removed them enbloc or the capsule

> > > > before, so that is a little scarry and I don't think that would be my

> > > > first choice. If anyone has any information you could email me at

> > > > adkrick@a... or call me at 757-715-2796.

> > > >

> > > > Thank-you,

> > > > Allyson

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> > > licensed health

> > >care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care

> > >professional before

> > >commencing any medical treatment.

> > > >

> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

> > > you. Find out what

> > >the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life

> > >and how to work

> > >for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> > >Chemistry; 1963,

> > >Peace)

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

When you say "shell", you are talking about the silicone shell around the implant, correct? If that is so, I wonder why he would leave that in when that is what we are getting sick from?

DianeMollyBloom54 <jawlaw93@...> wrote:

Doctor Melmed. Many women have gone to him and have been very happy. Plus, he has testified at the FDA hearings regarding the problems encountered with implants.DR. EDWARD P. MELMED, Plastic Surgeon,777 Forest Lane, #10Dallas, TX 75230(972) 566-7755> Hello my name is Allyson,> I have been a member of the group for several months now. I'm having a > very difficlt time finding a PS in my area who is familiar with the en > bloc method of

removal. I live in Virginia. East coast would be > realistic for me. i see that there were several doctors in Florida, > SC, and Georgia. Who had these doctors and how do you feel like they > did. If I can't have them removed en bloc, should i remove them the > other way? It really is getting very frustrating. At this point i just > want them out and don't care if I have to pay for it, so I'm not > worried about doing the lab testing. MY implanting doctor said he > would help me , but he has not removed them enbloc or the capsule > before, so that is a little scarry and I don't think that would be my > first choice. If anyone has any information you could email me at > adkrick@a... or call me at 757-715-2796.> > Thank-you,> Allyson > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health

care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. > > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)> >

[Guest guest]

Diane,

It breaks my heart to see women having problems after

Dr. Melmed removes their implants. We've had a rash of

reports recently though. He is so charming, and his

work is beautiful! . . . If only he could be counted

on to remove saline implants en bloc, and use drains

until there is no significant drainage.

If I said shell, I misspoke . . . I meant the capsule

(often called a scar tissue capsule). It has a blood

supply though so, as I understand it, it's not really

scar tissue.

I've sent him information repeatedly about the

necessity of removing the capsule . . . He told me he

always removes them . . . but that's not what women

are finding out after they start having problems.

Apparently, he does remove all the capsules if the

implant is silicone gel.

Regardless, be sure to get a written committment from

any doctor - prior to surgery that he/she will remove

all the capsule. . . Or it may be necessary to remove

the capsules later.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Women have been confronting Dr. Melmed about the

problems. However, when things reach a critical point,

he quits responding. Needless to say, they are very,

very upset.

Rogene

[Guest guest]

I would not trust a written commitment from most plastic surgeons, you

cannot believe the number of them that change their mind during surgery and

take the easy way to complete the surgery.

Lynda

At 06:36 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

>Diane,

>

>It breaks my heart to see women having problems after

>Dr. Melmed removes their implants. We've had a rash of

>reports recently though. He is so charming, and his

>work is beautiful! . . . If only he could be counted

>on to remove saline implants en bloc, and use drains

>until there is no significant drainage.

>

>If I said shell, I misspoke . . . I meant the capsule

>(often called a scar tissue capsule). It has a blood

>supply though so, as I understand it, it's not really

>scar tissue.

>

>I've sent him information repeatedly about the

>necessity of removing the capsule . . . He told me he

>always removes them . . . but that's not what women

>are finding out after they start having problems.

>

>Apparently, he does remove all the capsules if the

>implant is silicone gel.

>

>Regardless, be sure to get a written committment from

>any doctor - prior to surgery that he/she will remove

>all the capsule. . . Or it may be necessary to remove

>the capsules later.

>

>Hugs,

>

>Rogene

>

>

>

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I am new to this message board and have an explant scheduled for October 10th with Dr. Melmed. I have gotten many recommendations for him from women who say he uses the en bloc technique. He has also told me he uses that technique.

On another site, I read a post from a woman who was upset when she found out that he did not remove the entire capsule, and he responsed that he removed as much as he could safely. From what I understand, it isn't always possible to get out the entire capsule without damaging surrounding tissues--sometimes the capsules adhere to the rib cage, etc.

I also know that some women go home with the drains Dr. Melmed puts in and have their own doctors take them out.

I'm not defending Dr. Melmed, and I haven't seen him yet. I just wanted to relay what I have read about him. I am curious how many women have had unfortunate experiences with him. Sometimes one person's story can quickly become an urban legend. I would love to know more.

Ciao-

Bindi

[Guest guest]

There are more than a few women who had this experience. I send women only

to doctors who always remove the entire capsule. I find many doctors make

excuses for not removing all of the capsule when a truly good plastic

surgeon who believes they cause us problems will always do everything to

get all of it. I recommend Dr. Feng and Dr. Huang usually, and I

understand Dr. Kolb does remove the scar capsule. Of the three, Dr. Huang

is about $5000 because of Denver location, and the others are twice

that. Insurance sometimes covers this surgery. Some are fortunate that way.

Lynda

At 08:12 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

>Hello,

>I am new to this message board and have an explant scheduled for October

>10th with Dr. Melmed. I have gotten many recommendations for him from

>women who say he uses the en bloc technique. He has also told me he uses

>that technique.

>On another site, I read a post from a woman who was upset when she found

>out that he did not remove the entire capsule, and he responsed that he

>removed as much as he could safely. From what I understand, it isn't

>always possible to get out the entire capsule without damaging surrounding

>tissues--sometimes the capsules adhere to the rib cage, etc.

>I also know that some women go home with the drains Dr. Melmed puts in and

>have their own doctors take them out.

>I'm not defending Dr. Melmed, and I haven't seen him yet. I just wanted to

>relay what I have read about him. I am curious how many women have had

>unfortunate experiences with him. Sometimes one person's story can quickly

>become an urban legend. I would love to know more.

>Ciao-

>Bindi

>

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have heard a lot of excuses, but darn few legitimate reasons.

Lynda

At 08:26 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote:

>I had very thin capsules, even after 20 years! My double lumen implants

>were ruptured,

>but Dr. Kolb said the saline was 'long gone'. Silicone had escaped the

>capsules, and Dr.

>Kolb got as much as she could, and took out the capsules.

>I am so grateful for that. I know thin capsules are not easy to get out,

>but I'm glad she

>did.

>I tend to agree, Lynda, that some PS might just not want to go to the

>effort to remove the

>capsules. That is why I would never go to any surgeon who is hostile to

>the idea that

>implants can cause problems. What would be their incentive for being

>meticulous about

>removing as much of that as possible?

>I am surprised about Dr. Melmed. I wonder if there is ever a legitimate

>reason a surgeon

>cannot remove the capsule? I honestly don't know the answer to that question.

>

>

> > >Hello,

> > >I am new to this message board and have an explant scheduled for October

> > >10th with Dr. Melmed. I have gotten many recommendations for him from

> > >women who say he uses the en bloc technique. He has also told me he uses

> > >that technique.

> > >On another site, I read a post from a woman who was upset when she found

> > >out that he did not remove the entire capsule, and he responsed that he

> > >removed as much as he could safely. From what I understand, it isn't

> > >always possible to get out the entire capsule without damaging

> surrounding

> > >tissues--sometimes the capsules adhere to the rib cage, etc.

> > >I also know that some women go home with the drains Dr. Melmed puts in

> and

> > >have their own doctors take them out.

> > >I'm not defending Dr. Melmed, and I haven't seen him yet. I just

> wanted to

> > >relay what I have read about him. I am curious how many women have had

> > >unfortunate experiences with him. Sometimes one person's story can

> quickly

> > >become an urban legend. I would love to know more.

> > >Ciao-

> > >Bindi

> > >

> > >

> > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> > >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

> you.

> > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to

> live

> > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

lynda/ladies

just as thought here on this subject of the scar capsule issue: My doctor as well as Dr. Blais' noted that over 30% of one the textured shells on my saline implants was missing....

This means that a large portion of the silicone shell was in my body and hopefully caught in the scar capsule.... For a doctor to not remove the entire capsule (especially one who says he believes in implant illness) is insane if you ask me.... the shell breaks down - that has been proven over and over again. As it does this the silicone in the shell goes elsewhere - the obvious place for a lot of it to be would be hung up in the scar capsule if it is intact. This is why I think that is sooooo important to have a doctor that removes the entire capsule - no matter how thick or thin it is. So what if it takes a little rib scraping? Isn't that what we are paying these surgeons top dollar for? I had a pretty good scraping done to mine to get the capsules out and yeah - it wasn't too pleasant and I had extra rib pain and issues but I was happy to know that it was out! What ever silicone escapes my capsules over the years is lost - I have to work on getting that out myself. At least we need to know that our surgeons are getting every last bit of implant related tissues outta there! Scar capsule and all - think of all the massaging they made you do before you realized implants were bad.... I'll bet every time we did it a little particle broke off into the scar capsule. I just cannot believe that there are docs out there that claim to understand implant illness and do not take out the entire capsules. Who would want that nasty scar tissue floating around in their chest anyways? I was so disgusted with my implants by the time I had them removed I didn't care if they had to take half my ribs with them as long as all of it was out of me!!!! I didn't care about the after pain or how big the scar was and I told my doctor so.... just get rid of them and everything else w/ them!! He did a great job and I ended up with very minimal scarring - I still have some rib pain as he had to do a fair amount of scraping but I am happy with that. At least I know they are all gone.... the rest will have to work it's way out through my detoxing.

I would not go to a doctor if I were awaiting explant who did not say up front that no matter what he removes all of the capsules/scar tissue. No excuses on why not to..... I would have to move on as I couldn't trust them at that point.

Sorry for the long post - just my opinion for the girls out there awaiting explants....

love

shari

[Guest guest]

Kenda

I can not answer that as I am not a doctor... I know mine were under the muscle for 7 years and one adhered pretty good to my chest wall. I am sure there are good reasons doctors can give for everything - I just can not be sure that they are honest as I have a lot of trouble trusting anyone in the medical (plastic surgery) field these days.

I was told a lot of things from my original PS - leaks are very uncommon (had a complete leak after 3 years), capsular contracture was very rare (had to have surgery as my CC got so bad after only 7 months after implantation) he said if I removed them I would look horrible and deformed.... they have been out for 2 years and I didn't even have a lift and they look completely normal....

I could never attempt to answer a surgical question like that as I am sure there are cases where bleeding may be an issue or the capsule is near the heart or lungs... who is to say? I am sure those things and many more can happen and I could never really understand any of them as I have never had any type of medical training. I just know that people get sick from implants and a lot of the illnesses are caused by exposure to the silicone shell - that much I can say so I would be reluctant to get them removed without worrying about some of that being left behind and what that may cause medically after time goes on.... maybe it is harmlessly absorbed ... maybe your body can detox the capsule and silicone and you could completely be healed afterwards..... everyone is different so you really never can tell.

I guess were I in that situation again, (needing explant) I would just have to look and interview as many doctors as it would take to be completely trusting of them and my health. there probably isn't really a single answer for any question as I am sure all womens implant situations are different ... they are probably all different once a doctor opens you up to see what is going on - maybe they can't really effectively answer the question before they get in there and see what is going on...

shari

[Guest guest]

lea

yikes!!!!

I guess I was lucky - mine were under the muscle and they were harder to remove but they got them without having to give me blood. I guess there is a lot of vessels and such there.... good luck to you and your friend!!!

love

shari

[Guest guest]

One of the problems is that Dr. Melmed told these

women he would remove everything . . . then didn't!

They feel very betrayed . . . especially after having

problems and traveling so far. One woman traveled from

Mexico City.

One woman was told the capsule was attached to the

ribs. . . with overs???? That doesn't make sense.

Granted, there may be times when a doctor can't remove

everything. That's when women need to have a doctor

they can trust.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hi Shari,

Are there any instances where it would be unsafe to remove the entire capsule because it could cause too much damage with the ribs? In case women get this excuse, I think it would be good for them to know up front what would cause such a situation and if it really is possible.

Kenda

lynda/ladies

just as thought here on this subject of the scar capsule issue: My doctor as well as Dr. Blais' noted that over 30% of one the textured shells on my saline implants was missing....

This means that a large portion of the silicone shell was in my body and hopefully caught in the scar capsule.... For a doctor to not remove the entire capsule (especially one who says he believes in implant illness) is insane if you ask me.... the shell breaks down - that has been proven over and over again. As it does this the silicone in the shell goes elsewhere - the obvious place for a lot of it to be would be hung up in the scar capsule if it is intact. This is why I think that is sooooo important to have a doctor that removes the entire capsule - no matter how thick or thin it is. So what if it takes a little rib scraping? Isn't that what we are paying these surgeons top dollar for? I had a pretty good scraping done to mine to get the capsules out and yeah - it wasn't too pleasant and I had extra rib pain and issues but I was happy to know that it was out! What ever silicone escapes my capsules over the years is lost - I have to work on getting that out myself. At least we need to know that our surgeons are getting every last bit of implant related tissues outta there! Scar capsule and all - think of all the massaging they made you do before you realized implants were bad.... I'll bet every time we did it a little particle broke off into the scar capsule. I just cannot believe that there are docs out there that claim to understand implant illness and do not take out the entire capsules. Who would want that nasty scar tissue floating around in their chest anyways? I was so disgusted with my implants by the time I had them removed I didn't care if they had to take half my ribs with them as long as all of it was out of me!!!! I didn't care about the after pain or how big the scar was and I told my doctor so.... just get rid of them and everything else w/ them!! He did a great job and I ended up with very minimal scarring - I still have some rib pain as he had to do a fair amount of scraping but I am happy with that. At least I know they are all gone.... the rest will have to work it's way out through my detoxing.

I would not go to a doctor if I were awaiting explant who did not say up front that no matter what he removes all of the capsules/scar tissue. No excuses on why not to..... I would have to move on as I couldn't trust them at that point.

Sorry for the long post - just my opinion for the girls out there awaiting explants....

love

shari

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Patty, your experience mirrors so many others. I do think there is a lot

of arrogance. If fact, I thought Orthopedic Surgeons were arrogant until I

met Plastic Surgeons. My experience has been that the majority are

unwilling to be told how you want surgery done.

That is why I only recommend a few that I know are not like that and will

do it right. I am very skeptical of most who say they " will try to get it

all out " . I just do not trust them.

The really good one get it all out. They do not " try " .

Lynda

At 09:02 AM 9/1/2005, you wrote:

>It's not so much damage with the ribs, as risk of hemorraging or

>bleeding. In all my years of implant support (7 and a half so far),

>I have only heard of ONE woman who experienced excessive bleeding

>and had to be taken to the emergency room at a hospital (her explant

>was being done in a clinic). She recovered fine and in fact,

>graduated with a PhD from an Eastern university not long after her

>experience.

>

>When Daryl and I were shopping for a plastic surgeon for her

>explant, we went to the head of the plastic surgery department at

>UNLV. We explained that we wanted a total capsulectomy and drains,

>no compromise on those two points. Boy, did he buck! He clearly

>pointed out to us that he never used drains and that as far as the

>total capsulectomy goes, he wouldn't guarantee that he could get

>everything out. He explained that sometimes the capsule is stuck to

>an area that is too hard to get to or the risk of bleeding makes it

>too dangerous to remove. He seemed to be making sure he had an open

>door to only remove what he wanted to. I certainly didn't feel that

>he had Daryl's best health interests in mind, and he wanted to make

>sure we knew who ran the show. He was an arrogant dude.

>

>This is the general attitude we find when trying to get a total

>capsulectomy or en bloc done. There is always some excuse for not

>being able to remove the whole thing. I think it is an issue of

>time, which equals money. A proper explant takes more time and

>skill to remove the whole capsule. Only the most ethical,

>compassionate and dedicated plastic surgeons are going to make sure

>they do it right, and those are few and far between. It's in the

>character of the person.

>

>Unfortunately, this specific medical field seems to be filled with

>car salesman " doctors " . It's a black mark on the whole field's

>reputation, in my opinion.

>Patty

>

>

>--- In , Kenda Skaggs <skaggs@c...>

>wrote:

> > Hi Shari,

> >

> > Are there any instances where it would be unsafe to remove the

>entire

> > capsule because it could cause too much damage with the ribs? In

>case women

> > get this excuse, I think it would be good for them to know up

>front what

> > would cause such a situation and if it really is possible.

> >

> > Kenda

> >

> >

> > > lynda/ladies

> > >

> > > just as thought here on this subject of the scar capsule issue:

>My doctor as

> > > well as Dr. Blais' noted that over 30% of one the textured

>shells on my saline

> > > implants was missing....

> > > This means that a large portion of the silicone shell was in my

>body and

> > > hopefully caught in the scar capsule.... For a doctor to not

>remove the

> > > entire capsule (especially one who says he believes in implant

>illness) is

> > > insane if you ask me.... the shell breaks down - that has been

>proven over

> > > and over again. As it does this the silicone in the shell goes

>elsewhere -

> > > the obvious place for a lot of it to be would be hung up in the

>scar capsule

> > > if it is intact. This is why I think that is sooooo important

>to have a

> > > doctor that removes the entire capsule - no matter how thick or

>thin it is.

> > > So what if it takes a little rib scraping? Isn't that what we

>are paying

> > > these surgeons top dollar for? I had a pretty good scraping

>done to mine to

> > > get the capsules out and yeah - it wasn't too pleasant and I had

>extra rib

> > > pain and issues but I was happy to know that it was out! What

>ever silicone

> > > escapes my capsules over the years is lost - I have to work on

>getting that

> > > out myself. At least we need to know that our surgeons are

>getting every last

> > > bit of implant related tissues outta there! Scar capsule and

>all - think of

> > > all the massaging they made you do before you realized implants

>were bad....

> > > I'll bet every time we did it a little particle broke off into

>the scar

> > > capsule. I just cannot believe that there are docs out there

>that claim to

> > > understand implant illness and do not take out the entire

>capsules. Who would

> > > want that nasty scar tissue floating around in their chest

>anyways? I was so

> > > disgusted with my implants by the time I had them removed I

>didn't care if

> > > they had to take half my ribs with them as long as all of it was

>out of me!!!!

> > > I didn't care about the after pain or how big the scar was and I

>told my

> > > doctor so.... just get rid of them and everything else w/

>them!! He did a

> > > great job and I ended up with very minimal scarring - I still

>have some rib

> > > pain as he had to do a fair amount of scraping but I am happy

>with that. At

> > > least I know they are all gone.... the rest will have to work

>it's way out

> > > through my detoxing.

> > >

> > > I would not go to a doctor if I were awaiting explant who did

>not say up front

> > > that no matter what he removes all of the capsules/scar tissue.

>No excuses on

> > > why not to..... I would have to move on as I couldn't trust them

>at that

> > > point.

> > >

> > > Sorry for the long post - just my opinion for the girls out

>there awaiting

> > > explants....

> > >

> > > love

> > > shari

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>given by licensed

> > > health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>health care

> > > professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>mislead you.

> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>how to live a

> > > happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>two-time

> > > Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I would say that, any time a surgeon warns one that

there will be a problem doing what you ask, it's time

to find another doctor . . .

Rogene

--- Lea <devans@...> wrote:

> Good Morning:

>

> I had a lady here who wanted her capsules removed

> and the plastic surgeon

> told her that she would die if he removed her

> capsules. Her implants were

> under the muscle. This lady knew how important it

> was to have the capsules

> removed because of what had happened to me.

>

> The PS did clean her out properly, but she almost

> died, they had to give her

> blood transfusions. The good part of this story is

> that she got better and

> went back to work. This is the same PS who did not

> clean me out and look at

> what has happened to me.

>

> Love to all.....Lea

>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``

> Re: Re: ladies who have had

> implants removed

> (Virginia, Texas)

>

>

> > One of the problems is that Dr. Melmed told these

> > women he would remove everything . . . then

> didn't!

> >

> > They feel very betrayed . . . especially after

> having

> > problems and traveling so far. One woman traveled

> from

> > Mexico City.

> >

> > One woman was told the capsule was attached to the

> > ribs. . . with overs???? That doesn't make sense.

> >

> > Granted, there may be times when a doctor can't

> remove

> > everything. That's when women need to have a

> doctor

> > they can trust.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> of advice given by

> > licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> physician or licensed

> > health care professional before commencing any

> medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> politicians mislead you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions about how to live

> > a happy life and how to work for a better world. "

> - Linus ing,

> > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry;

> 1963, Peace)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Rogene,

I just sent my PS an email asking him if he removes the implants en bloc and the cost. We will see what his response is. I know that he seems to think that they dont cause sicknesses.

DianeRogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

I would say that, any time a surgeon warns one thatthere will be a problem doing what you ask, it's timeto find another doctor . . . Rogene--- Lea <devans@...> wrote:> Good Morning:> > I had a lady here who wanted her capsules removed> and the plastic surgeon > told her that she would die if he removed her> capsules. Her implants were > under the muscle. This lady knew how important it> was to have the capsules > removed because of what had happened to me.> > The PS did clean her out properly, but she almost> died, they had to give her > blood transfusions. The good part of this story is> that she got better and > went back to work. This is the same PS who did not> clean me out and look at > what has

happened to me.> > Love to all.....Lea>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``> Re: Re: ladies who have had> implants removed > (Virginia, Texas)> > > > One of the problems is that Dr. Melmed told these> > women he would remove everything . . . then> didn't!> >> > They feel very betrayed . . . especially after> having> > problems and traveling so far. One woman traveled> from> > Mexico City.> >> > One woman was told the capsule was attached to the> > ribs. . . with overs???? That doesn't make sense.> >> > Granted, there may be times when a doctor

can't> remove> > everything. That's when women need to have a> doctor> > they can trust.> >> > Hugs,> >> > Rogene> >> >> >> >> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place> of advice given by > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your> physician or licensed > > health care professional before commencing any> medical treatment.> >> > "Do not let either the medical authorities or the> politicians mislead you. > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own> decisions about how to live > > a happy life and how to work for a better world."> - Linus ing, > > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry;> 1963, Peace)> >> >

[Guest guest]

Diane,

Some doctors will remove them completely even if they

don't think implants cause illness. . .

I was so fortunate . . . I really think it was God

that connected me to my surgeon and held his hand. I

was terribly ill at the time . . . He probably didn't

remove them en bloc, but he did do a complete

capsulectomy. . . and told me, after the surgery, that

he had cleaned me out throughly.

To this day, he usually leaves the capsules. He got

really angry when I brought up the subject of implants

and illness . . .

I guess they have to find a way of justifying what

they do!

Hugs,

Rogene

--- Diane Myers <dlmyers1960@...> wrote:

> Hi Rogene,

>

> I just sent my PS an email asking him if he removes

> the implants en bloc and the cost. We will see what

> his response is. I know that he seems to think that

> they dont cause sicknesses.

> Diane

>

> Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

> I would say that, any time a surgeon warns one that

> there will be a problem doing what you ask, it's

> time

> to find another doctor . . .

>

> Rogene

>

>

>

> --- Lea <devans@...> wrote:

>

> > Good Morning:

> >

> > I had a lady here who wanted her capsules removed

> > and the plastic surgeon

> > told her that she would die if he removed her

> > capsules. Her implants were

> > under the muscle. This lady knew how important it

> > was to have the capsules

> > removed because of what had happened to me.

> >

> > The PS did clean her out properly, but she almost

> > died, they had to give her

> > blood transfusions. The good part of this story is

> > that she got better and

> > went back to work. This is the same PS who did not

> > clean me out and look at

> > what has happened to me.

> >

> > Love to all.....Lea

> >

>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``

> > Re: Re: ladies who have

> had

> > implants removed

> > (Virginia, Texas)

> >

> >

> > > One of the problems is that Dr. Melmed told

> these

> > > women he would remove everything . . . then

> > didn't!

> > >

> > > They feel very betrayed . . . especially after

> > having

> > > problems and traveling so far. One woman

> traveled

> > from

> > > Mexico City.

> > >

> > > One woman was told the capsule was attached to

> the

> > > ribs. . . with overs???? That doesn't make

> sense.

> > >

> > > Granted, there may be times when a doctor can't

> > remove

> > > everything. That's when women need to have a

> > doctor

> > > they can trust.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Rogene

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the

> place

> > of advice given by

> > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> > physician or licensed

> > > health care professional before commencing any

> > medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or

> the

> > politicians mislead you.

> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > decisions about how to live

> > > a happy life and how to work for a better

> world. "

> > - Linus ing,

> > > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry;

> > 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Ask him to describe how he removes them en bloc. Some say they do, and do

not really understand the definition.

Lynda

At 08:53 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote:

>Hi Rogene,

>

>I just sent my PS an email asking him if he removes the implants en bloc

>and the cost. We will see what his response is. I know that he seems to

>think that they dont cause sicknesses.

>Diane

>

>Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

>I would say that, any time a surgeon warns one that

>there will be a problem doing what you ask, it's time

>to find another doctor . . .

>

>Rogene

>

>

>

>--- Lea <devans@...> wrote:

>

> > Good Morning:

> >

> > I had a lady here who wanted her capsules removed

> > and the plastic surgeon

> > told her that she would die if he removed her

> > capsules. Her implants were

> > under the muscle. This lady knew how important it

> > was to have the capsules

> > removed because of what had happened to me.

> >

> > The PS did clean her out properly, but she almost

> > died, they had to give her

> > blood transfusions. The good part of this story is

> > that she got better and

> > went back to work. This is the same PS who did not

> > clean me out and look at

> > what has happened to me.

> >

> > Love to all.....Lea

> >

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``

> > Re: Re: ladies who have had

> > implants removed

> > (Virginia, Texas)

> >

> >

> > > One of the problems is that Dr. Melmed told these

> > > women he would remove everything . . . then

> > didn't!

> > >

> > > They feel very betrayed . . . especially after

> > having

> > > problems and traveling so far. One woman traveled

> > from

> > > Mexico City.

> > >

> > > One woman was told the capsule was attached to the

> > > ribs. . . with overs???? That doesn't make sense.

> > >

> > > Granted, there may be times when a doctor can't

> > remove

> > > everything. That's when women need to have a

> > doctor

> > > they can trust.

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Rogene

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place

> > of advice given by

> > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your

> > physician or licensed

> > > health care professional before commencing any

> > medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> > politicians mislead you.

> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > decisions about how to live

> > > a happy life and how to work for a better world. "

> > - Linus ing,

> > > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry;

> > 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Molly,

I've been sending Dr. Melmed information for years. A

lot of it has been about capsules . . . I tried to

connect him with Dr. Blais since I met him while

accompanying a woman to see him for her initial

consult about six years ago.

I'm very disappointed in his position. I thought he

was one of our best doctors until I started getting

reports of capsules left behind.

He told me the pathologist he uses had never found

mold/fungus in saline implants. . . .?????

IMHO, you don't find what you don't look for . . .

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Rogene

This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually thought patterns like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe I should mail him my capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone shell.... I know they only made the textured implants for a short period but thousands and thousands got them and this is most like what is happening to all of them... as Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get into the scar capsule and beyond...

it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to even be a doctor to understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant. Stick it inside a 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold it in place.... Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular contracture (for the second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue around it so they stay soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS..... leave them in for 7 years and who thinks that "ribbed" silicone on the outside of those implants wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are constantly massaging off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had to be replaced in 99 due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a textured one again for whatever reason.... My right implant was the original... 30% of the shell was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible through all the mold.

Where does the doctor think this "ribbing" had gone? It isn't on the implant anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin air? no - it was inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of silicone throughout my body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have systematic silicon disease" as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as the gel patients he sees.

I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say that there can be no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/ silicone shells not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had their implants for a short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells do not start to break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I could see those statements being true.

oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

shari

[Guest guest]

Hi Shari,

When I saw my plastic surgeon in March, he offered textured implants to me but he didn’t recommend them. I would think that means they are still sold and available.

Kenda

Rogene

This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually thought patterns like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe I should mail him my capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone shell.... I know they only made the textured implants for a short period but thousands and thousands got them and this is most like what is happening to all of them... as Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get into the scar capsule and beyond...

it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to even be a doctor to understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant. Stick it inside a 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold it in place.... Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular contracture (for the second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue around it so they stay soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS..... leave them in for 7 years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the outside of those implants wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are constantly massaging off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had to be replaced in 99 due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a textured one again for whatever reason.... My right implant was the original... 30% of the shell was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible through all the mold.

Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It isn't on the implant anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin air? no - it was inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of silicone throughout my body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have systematic silicon disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as the gel patients he sees.

I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say that there can be no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/ silicone shells not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had their implants for a short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells do not start to break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I could see those statements being true.

oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

shari

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

We are all entitled to our opinions. You are welcome to post.

Lynda

At 04:44 PM 9/2/2005, you wrote:

>No problem. I won't post anymore. I brought up Dr. Melmed as a doctor

>for a woman in

>Texas. I did not know his postiion on this issue.

>I understand Dr. Kolb was asked not to post here also. I had asked her to

>post something,

>thinking it might be helpful.

>I will back off. I was not posturing.

>I sure don't need this.

>

>

> > > > Rogene

> > > >

> > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually thought

> > patterns

> > > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe I

> > should mail him my

> > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone

> > shell.... I know

> > > > they only made the textured implants for a short period but

> > thousands and

> > > > thousands got them and this is most like what is happening to all

> > of them... as

> > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get into

> > the scar

> > > > capsule and beyond...

> > > >

> > > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to even be

> > a doctor to

> > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant. Stick

> > it inside a

> > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold it in

> > place....

> > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular

> > contracture (for the

> > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue around it

> > so they stay

> > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS..... leave

> > them in for 7

> > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the outside of

> > those implants

> > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are

> > constantly massaging

> > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had to be

> > replaced in 99

> > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a

> > textured one again

> > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the original... 30%

> > of the shell

> > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible

> > through all the

> > > > mold.

> > > >

> > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It isn't on

> > the implant

> > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin air?

> > no - it was

> > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of silicone

> > throughout my

> > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have

> > systematic silicon

> > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as the

> > gel patients he

> > > > sees.

> > > >

> > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say that

> > there can be

> > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/

> > silicone shells

> > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had their

> > implants for a

> > > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells do not

> > start to

> > > > break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I could

> > see those

> > > > statements being true.

> > > >

> > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > > >

> > > > shari

>

>

>

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think most people here are very level headed. Try not to take too much

personally. We never know what someone is going through when they make a

comment. It may just be a bad day.

Lynda

At 04:55 PM 9/2/2005, you wrote:

>Thanks, Lynda. But I'm not used to insulting posts for no reason. I

>haven't been on this

>board, more thann once or twice before recently, because I had heard there

>was a lot of

>swiping. Now I see why.

>I'm so sorry I offended anybody. It sure doesn't take much here.

>

>

> > > > > > Rogene

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually thought

> > > > patterns

> > > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe I

> > > > should mail him my

> > > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone

> > > > shell.... I know

> > > > > > they only made the textured implants for a short period but

> > > > thousands and

> > > > > > thousands got them and this is most like what is happening to all

> > > > of them... as

> > > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get into

> > > > the scar

> > > > > > capsule and beyond...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to even be

> > > > a doctor to

> > > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant. Stick

> > > > it inside a

> > > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold it in

> > > > place....

> > > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular

> > > > contracture (for the

> > > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue around it

> > > > so they stay

> > > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS..... leave

> > > > them in for 7

> > > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the outside of

> > > > those implants

> > > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are

> > > > constantly massaging

> > > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had to be

> > > > replaced in 99

> > > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a

> > > > textured one again

> > > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the original... 30%

> > > > of the shell

> > > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible

> > > > through all the

> > > > > > mold.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It isn't on

> > > > the implant

> > > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin air?

> > > > no - it was

> > > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of silicone

> > > > throughout my

> > > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have

> > > > systematic silicon

> > > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as the

> > > > gel patients he

> > > > > > sees.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say that

> > > > there can be

> > > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/

> > > > silicone shells

> > > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had their

> > > > implants for a

> > > > > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells do not

> > > > start to

> > > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I could

> > > > see those

> > > > > > statements being true.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > shari

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> > >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> > >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

> you.

> > >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to

> live

> > >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> > >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Lea,

I hope Molly is not leaving, and I think it was just somebody reacting

without thinking.

Lynda

At 08:51 AM 9/3/2005, you wrote:

>What has happened, and why is Molly leaving? I had asked that we all try to

>keep peace and harmony on this site. We only have one chance to make a

>difference in this world; we only come this way but once.

>

>Sending love to all.....Lea

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~````

> Re: ladies who have had implants removed (Virginia,

>Texas)

>

>

> > Thanks, Lynda. But I'm not used to insulting posts for no reason. I

> > haven't been on this

> > board, more thann once or twice before recently, because I had heard there

> > was a lot of

> > swiping. Now I see why.

> > I'm so sorry I offended anybody. It sure doesn't take much here.

> >

> >

> >> > > > > Rogene

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > This is really sad.... I can't believe there is actually thought

> >> > > patterns

> >> > > > > like that out there when there is sooo much proof.... Maybe I

> >> > > should mail him my

> >> > > > > capsules..... full of mold and pieces of textured silicone

> >> > > shell.... I know

> >> > > > > they only made the textured implants for a short period but

> >> > > thousands and

> >> > > > > thousands got them and this is most like what is happening to all

> >> > > of them... as

> >> > > > > Dr. Blais' said - the textured shells shed.... particles get into

> >> > > the scar

> >> > > > > capsule and beyond...

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > it actually makes very good sense and I wouldn't have to even be

> >> > > a doctor to

> >> > > > > understand that logic. Take a ribbed (textured) implant. Stick

> >> > > it inside a

> >> > > > > 98 degree body where a scar capsule forms around it to hold it in

> >> > > place....

> >> > > > > Massage the crap out of it constantly to avoid capsular

> >> > > contracture (for the

> >> > > > > second time in my case) by breaking up the scar tissue around it

> >> > > so they stay

> >> > > > > soft.... Massage them daily as instructed by your PS..... leave

> >> > > them in for 7

> >> > > > > years and who thinks that " ribbed " silicone on the outside of

> >> > > those implants

> >> > > > > wouldn't be breaking off along with the scar tissue you are

> >> > > constantly massaging

> >> > > > > off? Upon removal one of my implants was smooth as it had to be

> >> > > replaced in 99

> >> > > > > due to a complete rupture.... they did not choose to use a

> >> > > textured one again

> >> > > > > for whatever reason.... My right implant was the original... 30%

> >> > > of the shell

> >> > > > > was missing.... there is actually smooth spots on it visible

> >> > > through all the

> >> > > > > mold.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Where does the doctor think this " ribbing " had gone? It isn't on

> >> > > the implant

> >> > > > > anymore - I can prove that.... did it disappear into thin air?

> >> > > no - it was

> >> > > > > inside of my capsules and beyond.... large pieces of silicone

> >> > > throughout my

> >> > > > > body - this is why Dr. Vasey thinks I got so sick - I have

> >> > > systematic silicon

> >> > > > > disease " as he puts it - all the same symptoms are there as the

> >> > > gel patients he

> >> > > > > sees.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > I find it hard to believe that this or any doctor would say that

> >> > > there can be

> >> > > > > no silicone in the capsules when a patient is implanted w/

> >> > > silicone shells

> >> > > > > not matter what the filling. Maybe a patient that only had their

> >> > > implants for a

> >> > > > > short period of time - I could see that. maybe the shells do not

> >> > > start to

> >> > > > > break down for a few years.... that is the only instance I could

> >> > > see those

> >> > > > > statements being true.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > oh well - glad he wasn't my doctor....

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > shari

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> >> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >> >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >> >

> >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

> >> >you.

> >> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to

> >> >live

> >> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> >> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >> >

> >> >