Implants - Saline/Silicone

[Guest guest]

Hi ladies,

I haven't been on this forum much, but thought I'd check in.. I haven't come

here much

because it is a saline support, and I consider most of my problems were

sililcone related.

I had bi-lumen implants (saline & silicone) but my surgeon said by the time I

removed them

in April, 2004, the saline was 'long gone'. The silicone 'lumens' were ruptured

and I was a

mess physically and emotionally.

By the time I finally had the explant, I was diagnosed with one problem after

another within a

short time (Hashimoto's, lupus, multiple sclerosis, and a host of symptoms like

Raynauds,

carpel tunnel, peripheral neruopathy etc etc). I was in a state of shock, and

dont' even

remember much of what was going on or how I found some of the support forums.

It's been a year and a half now, and I am starting to feel better.

What a long road it's been.

[Guest guest]

Molly,

This group is as much for gel implanted women as it is

for saline . . . There are a number of us who had

silicone gel . . . I did, and I know Lynda did. Lea

had the awful polyurethane implants.

It doesn't matter . . . They all make you sick if you

keep them long enough.

I'm glad to hear you're doing better. It takes time,

and even then, at least for me, I have to stay on my

" program " or I regress. Most of the time I feel well

though!

What have you been doing to get better?

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Well, I went on Dr. Kolb's protocol for awhile, but then lapsed. I got very

sick and ended

up in the hospital again in July of 04 with c-difficile bacterial infection. I

haven't been very

good with diet, consistently, anyway. I did take a lot of epsom soaks. In the

last several

months, I have begun feeling better. SO in answer to your question, I suppose

just time

has helped more than anything. However, I know I need to focus on diet now.

IT's time.

I know that will help the severe fatigue I still feel. Much of the pain has

improved but I still

take plaquenil. I didn't focus on diet as I probably should have, because I

was trying to

cope with one thing at a time. Now I realize that I am going to have to focus

on diet and

lose the weight if I want to work again. I have a lot to lose - I gained over

100 pounds! I

am a far cry from the jogger I once was.

> Molly,

>

> This group is as much for gel implanted women as it is

> for saline . . . There are a number of us who had

> silicone gel . . . I did, and I know Lynda did. Lea

> had the awful polyurethane implants.

>

> It doesn't matter . . . They all make you sick if you

> keep them long enough.

>

> I'm glad to hear you're doing better. It takes time,

> and even then, at least for me, I have to stay on my

> " program " or I regress. Most of the time I feel well

> though!

>

> What have you been doing to get better?

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

[Guest guest]

I had double lumen silicone/saline.

Many problems. Many women here have had silicone implants. Feel free to

share.

Lynda

At 09:57 PM 8/29/2005, you wrote:

>Hi ladies,

>I haven't been on this forum much, but thought I'd check in.. I haven't

>come here much

>because it is a saline support, and I consider most of my problems were

>sililcone related.

>I had bi-lumen implants (saline & silicone) but my surgeon said by the

>time I removed them

>in April, 2004, the saline was 'long gone'. The silicone 'lumens' were

>ruptured and I was a

>mess physically and emotionally.

>By the time I finally had the explant, I was diagnosed with one problem

>after another within a

>short time (Hashimoto's, lupus, multiple sclerosis, and a host of

>symptoms like Raynauds,

>carpel tunnel, peripheral neruopathy etc etc). I was in a state of

>shock, and dont' even

>remember much of what was going on or how I found some of the support

>forums.

>It's been a year and a half now, and I am starting to feel better.

>What a long road it's been.

>

>

>

>

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

>Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

>a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Lynda & Rogene!!

> >Hi ladies,

> >I haven't been on this forum much, but thought I'd check in.. I haven't

> >come here much

> >because it is a saline support, and I consider most of my problems were

> >sililcone related.

> >I had bi-lumen implants (saline & silicone) but my surgeon said by the

> >time I removed them

> >in April, 2004, the saline was 'long gone'. The silicone 'lumens' were

> >ruptured and I was a

> >mess physically and emotionally.

> >By the time I finally had the explant, I was diagnosed with one problem

> >after another within a

> >short time (Hashimoto's, lupus, multiple sclerosis, and a host of

> >symptoms like Raynauds,

> >carpel tunnel, peripheral neruopathy etc etc). I was in a state of

> >shock, and dont' even

> >remember much of what was going on or how I found some of the support

> >forums.

> >It's been a year and a half now, and I am starting to feel better.

> >What a long road it's been.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> >licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> >health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> >Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

> >a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> >two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Molly,

It takes one step at a time . . . If you try to do

everything at once, you'll feel overwhelmed and give

up! . . . It's better to familiarize yourself with the

detox protocols and incorporate them into your

routine. Seeing results will motivate you to keep

going.

We stress a lot of natural treatments. . . They don't

seem to have the side effects that many of the

prescription meds do . . . and they work! Have you

checked the Detox programs we recommended in the

archives?

I've found that when I'm feeling well, I have no

problem controlling my weight . . . it's when I don't

feel like doing anything that it comes on fast and

furious.

I'd suggest reading " The Maker's Diet " . . . it's not

just a diet book. It will help you understand why it's

important to stay away from processed foods and to

provide your body with foods that help rebuild and

replenish cells.

Kenda recommends a naturopath in Tulsa, OK who does

phone consulations, and sends kits for the specimens

he feels need testing. If money isn't too tight, I'd

suggest checking with him.

Setting a little time aside for exercising everyday,

even if you don't feel up to it, will start the tide

turning. . . Even starting with five minutes and

increasing a minute a day will help you kick start a

program.

Molly, I hope by this time next year, you can look

back on this all as a bad dream! If you'll keep a

daily journal of your progress . . . You'll be amazed

at how far you've come!

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Thank you Rogene! Yes, I was too overwhelmed last year. Plus, I was not able

to move

around much, let alone cook a lot. The very first thing I am doing now, is to

stop sugar.

And, I have looked at the South Beach Diet, and tried one or two of hte recipes

there. I'll

look at the " Maker's " diet...someone mentioned it to me recently, but not sure

what it is. I

do understand the hazards of processed foods, though.

That is a great idea about exercise. I can't do a lot, but I know even 5 or 10

minute walk

would be a start. I also have trouble sleeping, and need to get into a routine.

Now that I am back from Colorado, I intend to start DOING something about this.

I'll look in your archives. I am also going to start a journal. I tried that

for awhile last year,

but was so depressed then I didn't stay up with it. Now I can...

I appreciate your encouragement! Even now, I can look back a year ago and

realize how

far I have come. Next year, I hope to say the same, only about my diet &

weight. In

Colorado (where I saw my mother and daughter & grandson), I had a lot of trouble

with the

altitude. I was out of breath and aching after just walking a few minutes.

It's been about

six years since I was there, and I was much thinner then (and not sick) - I

jogged 3 miles

at 10,000'. Boy I could not do that this time. I don't know if I will ever be

able to jog in

the mountains again, but I would be satisifed with a long walk and getting to a

normal

weight.

Money is tight now, because I haven't worked in several years - I went to law

school when I

was 46. I believe my implants ruptured just before I started school, when I had

a

mammogram. By the time I graduated, I was getting really sick. And then in the

fall of

2003, I was going to the round of doctors to find out what was wrong with me,

and then

found out my implants were ruptured.

> Dear Molly,

>

> It takes one step at a time . . . If you try to do

> everything at once, you'll feel overwhelmed and give

> up! . . . It's better to familiarize yourself with the

> detox protocols and incorporate them into your

> routine. Seeing results will motivate you to keep

> going.

>

> We stress a lot of natural treatments. . . They don't

> seem to have the side effects that many of the

> prescription meds do . . . and they work! Have you

> checked the Detox programs we recommended in the

> archives?

>

> I've found that when I'm feeling well, I have no

> problem controlling my weight . . . it's when I don't

> feel like doing anything that it comes on fast and

> furious.

>

> I'd suggest reading " The Maker's Diet " . . . it's not

> just a diet book. It will help you understand why it's

> important to stay away from processed foods and to

> provide your body with foods that help rebuild and

> replenish cells.

>

> Kenda recommends a naturopath in Tulsa, OK who does

> phone consulations, and sends kits for the specimens

> he feels need testing. If money isn't too tight, I'd

> suggest checking with him.

>

> Setting a little time aside for exercising everyday,

> even if you don't feel up to it, will start the tide

> turning. . . Even starting with five minutes and

> increasing a minute a day will help you kick start a

> program.

>

> Molly, I hope by this time next year, you can look

> back on this all as a bad dream! If you'll keep a

> daily journal of your progress . . . You'll be amazed

> at how far you've come!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

[Guest guest]

Molly,

There are a lot of little things you can do . . . One

step at a time. . . When you do any of these things,

find a balance between what you can do comfortably,

what puts a little stress on you, and what feels too

much. You want to feel a little stress, but never push

yourself too hard - or you won't want to do it again.

If you could afford to go to a spa where you put

yourself in their hands, that would be one thing . . .

But, when you're working on your own, slow and easy is

the way to go. You'll find yourself gradually

substituting healty choices for bad ones . . .

Oh yes, drink plenty of pure water . . . they claim we

often eat when we're really just thirsty!

Eating raw, crushed, fresh garlic is one of the

fastest, cheapest ways to get a jump start on getting

better . . . If you have a candida problem, your

stomach will know . . . so start easy there too . . .

Start with one clove and work your way up to 12 (if

you can) . . . I've only gotten to five! Patty can do

12!

It's past bedtime!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

you eat a whole garlic???? with what??

and clove? HOw does this help candida?

I am going to have to go look at the archives. I don't even know where to

start.

Yes, it is past bedtime.

Hugs Rogene -- and thank you for being so encouraging!!

> Molly,

>

> There are a lot of little things you can do . . . One

> step at a time. . . When you do any of these things,

> find a balance between what you can do comfortably,

> what puts a little stress on you, and what feels too

> much. You want to feel a little stress, but never push

> yourself too hard - or you won't want to do it again.

>

> If you could afford to go to a spa where you put

> yourself in their hands, that would be one thing . . .

> But, when you're working on your own, slow and easy is

> the way to go. You'll find yourself gradually

> substituting healty choices for bad ones . . .

>

> Oh yes, drink plenty of pure water . . . they claim we

> often eat when we're really just thirsty!

>

> Eating raw, crushed, fresh garlic is one of the

> fastest, cheapest ways to get a jump start on getting

> better . . . If you have a candida problem, your

> stomach will know . . . so start easy there too . . .

> Start with one clove and work your way up to 12 (if

> you can) . . . I've only gotten to five! Patty can do

> 12!

>

> It's past bedtime!

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hi there

Remember - even saline implants have silicone shells... this is what most of us are sick from and there are many silicone women here so please feel welcome to join in!! There are many women here that had the gels or even the double lumen - you are welcome to share your stories and healing therapies anytime!!!

good luck

shari

[Guest guest]

I find that eating garlic cloves raw with chicken is very

palatable. And eating raw garlic was one of the most helpful things

I did. It's a great health promoter!

Patty

--- In , " MollyBloom54 " <jawlaw93@y...>

wrote:

> you eat a whole garlic???? with what??

> and clove? HOw does this help candida?

> I am going to have to go look at the archives. I don't even know

where to start.

>

> Yes, it is past bedtime.

>

> Hugs Rogene -- and thank you for being so encouraging!!

>

> --- In , Rogene S <saxony01@y...>

wrote:

> > Molly,

> >

> > There are a lot of little things you can do . . . One

> > step at a time. . . When you do any of these things,

> > find a balance between what you can do comfortably,

> > what puts a little stress on you, and what feels too

> > much. You want to feel a little stress, but never push

> > yourself too hard - or you won't want to do it again.

> >

> > If you could afford to go to a spa where you put

> > yourself in their hands, that would be one thing . . .

> > But, when you're working on your own, slow and easy is

> > the way to go. You'll find yourself gradually

> > substituting healty choices for bad ones . . .

> >

> > Oh yes, drink plenty of pure water . . . they claim we

> > often eat when we're really just thirsty!

> >

> > Eating raw, crushed, fresh garlic is one of the

> > fastest, cheapest ways to get a jump start on getting

> > better . . . If you have a candida problem, your

> > stomach will know . . . so start easy there too . . .

> > Start with one clove and work your way up to 12 (if

> > you can) . . . I've only gotten to five! Patty can do

> > 12!

> >

> > It's past bedtime!

> >

> > Hugs and prayers,

> >

> > Rogene

[Guest guest]

Molly . . .

Yep . . . entire cloves . . . not whole cloves.

The way I usually eat them is to mash them with a

garlic press and spread the garlic with a bit of mayo

on a piece of whole wheat bread and top it with a bit

of meat. I've also put it in salads, added it to

spagetti as I put it on the table (so it's not cooked)

and spread it on pizza. Another way to get it down is

to use empty gel capsules (you can get them from a

formulating pharmacy), opening the capsule, and

scraping the crushed garlic from the press with one

half, then closing the capsule and downing it.

The active chemical in garlic is released when the

clove is crushed. Eating garlic whole doesn't release

the chemical. There are a number of commercial garlic

products available. If you simply can't bring yourself

to eat fresh garlic, I'd suggest buying one of the

better (and more expensive) brands.

Once you see the difference eating raw garlic makes, I

think you'll decide it's the way to go though!

Something else that's very important is to replace the

beneficial bacteria in your body that has been killed

off by a depressed immune system and medications.

That's where products like acidopholis and Primal

Defense come in. Eating organic, fermented foods is an

excellent way to go. I have a great recipe for home

made sauerkraut I posted some time ago. . . I didn't

save the recipe on my computer, so I need to retype it

.. . . Unless someone else saved it. Patty maybe?

I'm watching the news reports coming in from the

Hurricane. . . The devastation is so sad! It will take

years to recover from this one!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Thanks Rogene! I will try the garlic. I am starting today on my new 'diet'.

NO sugar.

High protein, lots of veggies & taking acidopholous (again).

> Molly . . .

>

> Yep . . . entire cloves . . . not whole cloves.

>

> The way I usually eat them is to mash them with a

> garlic press and spread the garlic with a bit of mayo

> on a piece of whole wheat bread and top it with a bit

> of meat. I've also put it in salads, added it to

> spagetti as I put it on the table (so it's not cooked)

> and spread it on pizza. Another way to get it down is

> to use empty gel capsules (you can get them from a

> formulating pharmacy), opening the capsule, and

> scraping the crushed garlic from the press with one

> half, then closing the capsule and downing it.

>

> The active chemical in garlic is released when the

> clove is crushed. Eating garlic whole doesn't release

> the chemical. There are a number of commercial garlic

> products available. If you simply can't bring yourself

> to eat fresh garlic, I'd suggest buying one of the

> better (and more expensive) brands.

>

> Once you see the difference eating raw garlic makes, I

> think you'll decide it's the way to go though!

>

> Something else that's very important is to replace the

> beneficial bacteria in your body that has been killed

> off by a depressed immune system and medications.

> That's where products like acidopholis and Primal

> Defense come in. Eating organic, fermented foods is an

> excellent way to go. I have a great recipe for home

> made sauerkraut I posted some time ago. . . I didn't

> save the recipe on my computer, so I need to retype it

> . . . Unless someone else saved it. Patty maybe?

>

> I'm watching the news reports coming in from the

> Hurricane. . . The devastation is so sad! It will take

> years to recover from this one!

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

[Guest guest]

The hurricane damage is devastating. My inlaws are in shock and still cannot go

home, if

they still have a home (in Biloxi). My husband's aunt & cousin in Mobile cannot

be

reached, so nobody knows how they are doing.

My brother-in-law has family in New Orleans, whose homes have been destroyed.

It is just horrible. Right now, I think most people are just in shock.

> Molly . . .

>

> Yep . . . entire cloves . . . not whole cloves.

>

> The way I usually eat them is to mash them with a

> garlic press and spread the garlic with a bit of mayo

> on a piece of whole wheat bread and top it with a bit

> of meat. I've also put it in salads, added it to

> spagetti as I put it on the table (so it's not cooked)

> and spread it on pizza. Another way to get it down is

> to use empty gel capsules (you can get them from a

> formulating pharmacy), opening the capsule, and

> scraping the crushed garlic from the press with one

> half, then closing the capsule and downing it.

>

> The active chemical in garlic is released when the

> clove is crushed. Eating garlic whole doesn't release

> the chemical. There are a number of commercial garlic

> products available. If you simply can't bring yourself

> to eat fresh garlic, I'd suggest buying one of the

> better (and more expensive) brands.

>

> Once you see the difference eating raw garlic makes, I

> think you'll decide it's the way to go though!

>

> Something else that's very important is to replace the

> beneficial bacteria in your body that has been killed

> off by a depressed immune system and medications.

> That's where products like acidopholis and Primal

> Defense come in. Eating organic, fermented foods is an

> excellent way to go. I have a great recipe for home

> made sauerkraut I posted some time ago. . . I didn't

> save the recipe on my computer, so I need to retype it

> . . . Unless someone else saved it. Patty maybe?

>

> I'm watching the news reports coming in from the

> Hurricane. . . The devastation is so sad! It will take

> years to recover from this one!

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

[Guest guest]

What are the cloves supposed to do again?

> Molly . . .

>

> Yep . . . entire cloves . . . not whole cloves.

>

> The way I usually eat them is to mash them with a

> garlic press and spread the garlic with a bit of mayo

> on a piece of whole wheat bread and top it with a bit

> of meat. I've also put it in salads, added it to

> spagetti as I put it on the table (so it's not cooked)

> and spread it on pizza. Another way to get it down is

> to use empty gel capsules (you can get them from a

> formulating pharmacy), opening the capsule, and

> scraping the crushed garlic from the press with one

> half, then closing the capsule and downing it.

>

> The active chemical in garlic is released when the

> clove is crushed. Eating garlic whole doesn't release

> the chemical. There are a number of commercial garlic

> products available. If you simply can't bring yourself

> to eat fresh garlic, I'd suggest buying one of the

> better (and more expensive) brands.

>

> Once you see the difference eating raw garlic makes, I

> think you'll decide it's the way to go though!

>

> Something else that's very important is to replace the

> beneficial bacteria in your body that has been killed

> off by a depressed immune system and medications.

> That's where products like acidopholis and Primal

> Defense come in. Eating organic, fermented foods is an

> excellent way to go. I have a great recipe for home

> made sauerkraut I posted some time ago. . . I didn't

> save the recipe on my computer, so I need to retype it

> . . . Unless someone else saved it. Patty maybe?

>

> I'm watching the news reports coming in from the

> Hurricane. . . The devastation is so sad! It will take

> years to recover from this one!

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hi Molly,

I can’t even begin to imagine the damage and resulting shock. I pray that your inlaws can go home soon and that your husband’s aunt and uncle are well. We have tornadoes here and I have seen the damage but the damage to your part of the country looks so much worse and widespread.

Kenda

The hurricane damage is devastating. My inlaws are in shock and still cannot go home, if

they still have a home (in Biloxi). My husband's aunt & cousin in Mobile cannot be

reached, so nobody knows how they are doing.

My brother-in-law has family in New Orleans, whose homes have been destroyed.

It is just horrible. Right now, I think most people are just in shock.

> Molly . . .

>

> Yep . . . entire cloves . . . not whole cloves.

>

> The way I usually eat them is to mash them with a

> garlic press and spread the garlic with a bit of mayo

> on a piece of whole wheat bread and top it with a bit

> of meat. I've also put it in salads, added it to

> spagetti as I put it on the table (so it's not cooked)

> and spread it on pizza. Another way to get it down is

> to use empty gel capsules (you can get them from a

> formulating pharmacy), opening the capsule, and

> scraping the crushed garlic from the press with one

> half, then closing the capsule and downing it.

>

> The active chemical in garlic is released when the

> clove is crushed. Eating garlic whole doesn't release

> the chemical. There are a number of commercial garlic

> products available. If you simply can't bring yourself

> to eat fresh garlic, I'd suggest buying one of the

> better (and more expensive) brands.

>

> Once you see the difference eating raw garlic makes, I

> think you'll decide it's the way to go though!

>

> Something else that's very important is to replace the

> beneficial bacteria in your body that has been killed

> off by a depressed immune system and medications.

> That's where products like acidopholis and Primal

> Defense come in. Eating organic, fermented foods is an

> excellent way to go. I have a great recipe for home

> made sauerkraut I posted some time ago. . . I didn't

> save the recipe on my computer, so I need to retype it

> . . . Unless someone else saved it. Patty maybe?

>

> I'm watching the news reports coming in from the

> Hurricane. . . The devastation is so sad! It will take

> years to recover from this one!

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

I think you might want to read the Maker's Diet by JOrdin Rubin. It

is a real good guide about eating to get well. I think you would

really benefit from it. Please visit our site more often. You

definitely belong here as much as any one else. You will find lots

of good advice on all kinds of ways to get better as well as lots of

good support and concern! This is a very caring group.

Things take time. I am sure that eventually you can lose the weight

and even start jogging again! This summer I have walked anywhere

from 2-4 miles on a daily basis! That wouldn't have been possible

even a year ago.

ARe you taking primal defense from Garden of Life? I strongly

recommend it since you said that you had c difficile. It is very

important that you take probiotics especially saccharomyces

boulardii because that helps prevent c difficile. Primal Defense

contains that strain and many more plus hso's and many of us here

swear by it.

Hugs, kathy

--- In , " MollyBloom54 " <jawlaw93@y...>

wrote:

> Well, I went on Dr. Kolb's protocol for awhile, but then lapsed.

I got very sick and ended

> up in the hospital again in July of 04 with c-difficile bacterial

infection. I haven't been very

> good with diet, consistently, anyway. I did take a lot of epsom

soaks. In the last several

> months, I have begun feeling better. SO in answer to your

question, I suppose just time

> has helped more than anything. However, I know I need to focus

on diet now. IT's time.

> I know that will help the severe fatigue I still feel. Much of

the pain has improved but I still

> take plaquenil. I didn't focus on diet as I probably should

have, because I was trying to

> cope with one thing at a time. Now I realize that I am going to

have to focus on diet and

> lose the weight if I want to work again. I have a lot to lose - I

gained over 100 pounds! I

> am a far cry from the jogger I once was.

>

> --- In , Rogene S <saxony01@y...>

wrote:

> > Molly,

> >

> > This group is as much for gel implanted women as it is

> > for saline . . . There are a number of us who had

> > silicone gel . . . I did, and I know Lynda did. Lea

> > had the awful polyurethane implants.

> >

> > It doesn't matter . . . They all make you sick if you

> > keep them long enough.

> >

> > I'm glad to hear you're doing better. It takes time,

> > and even then, at least for me, I have to stay on my

> > " program " or I regress. Most of the time I feel well

> > though!

> >

> > What have you been doing to get better?

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hi Molly,

I'm talking about cloves of garlic that have been

crushed. . . Not chopped garlic . . .

Garlic is a natural antifungal, antibiotic and

antioxident. One of nature's miracle foods. When it's

crushed a chemical is released that makes it work. In

contrast to prescription antibiotics, one doesn't

build up a resistance to garlic.

If you have a systemic candida/fungal problem going

on, you can expect your stomach feel like there is a

war going on between the good and bad forces. . . This

one form of herxing . . . As you begin getting better,

you'll be able to eat larger quantities of garlic with

little effect.

There is a self test you can do for Candida . . . The

first thing in the morning, before putting anything in

your mouth, spit in a glass of water - about a

tablespoon of spit. Let it sit for about 15 minutes,

then check. If it's clear, or lightly cloudly, no

problem. If there is a milkly blob floating with

tendrils hanging down, or it has broken into floating

chunks, or it's a blob laying at the bottom of the

glass, it can indicate that you have a Candida

problem. This test is not scientific. However, it

tracks very well with treatment for Candida, and the

diet necessary to get it under control.

Most doctors poo-poo Candida. . . saying everybody has

Candida organisms. They're right! . . . It's just

that, for us, the Candida gets the upper hand. When it

does, it causes a host of problems, including an

inability to get vital nutrition from our foods. If

there is any single product I recommend above all

others, it's Garden of Life's Primal Defense - check

www.vitacost.com. You can get similar results with

naturally fermented foods and acidopholis. . . If you

get acidopholis, be sure you buy it from the

refigerated section of the health food store and keep

it refigerated.

Hope this helps . . . You'll be amazed at how much

better you'll feel in a just a few weeks if you make a

committment to do what needs to be done . . . even if

you don't feel like it right now!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

I can't imagine how they can get even water and food

to so many people when roads are impassable and fuel

in short supply . . .let alone find housing and

provide schooling for the children for the long term .

.. . and jobs for those who no longer have a place to

work!

I pray your family members will find their way though

this trial quickly.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

I know I have had candida/systemic fungal problem. Dr. K gave me nystantin and

later,

when my liver could handle it, diflucan for it. But I will try the garlic -- I

do know what a

clove garlic is, I just wasn't thinking for a minute there. lol!

I will try the crushed garlic.

Thanks!

> Hi Molly,

>

> I'm talking about cloves of garlic that have been

> crushed. . . Not chopped garlic . . .

>

> Garlic is a natural antifungal, antibiotic and

> antioxident. One of nature's miracle foods. When it's

> crushed a chemical is released that makes it work. In

> contrast to prescription antibiotics, one doesn't

> build up a resistance to garlic.

>

> If you have a systemic candida/fungal problem going

> on, you can expect your stomach feel like there is a

> war going on between the good and bad forces. . . This

> one form of herxing . . . As you begin getting better,

> you'll be able to eat larger quantities of garlic with

> little effect.

>

> There is a self test you can do for Candida . . . The

> first thing in the morning, before putting anything in

> your mouth, spit in a glass of water - about a

> tablespoon of spit. Let it sit for about 15 minutes,

> then check. If it's clear, or lightly cloudly, no

> problem. If there is a milkly blob floating with

> tendrils hanging down, or it has broken into floating

> chunks, or it's a blob laying at the bottom of the

> glass, it can indicate that you have a Candida

> problem. This test is not scientific. However, it

> tracks very well with treatment for Candida, and the

> diet necessary to get it under control.

>

> Most doctors poo-poo Candida. . . saying everybody has

> Candida organisms. They're right! . . . It's just

> that, for us, the Candida gets the upper hand. When it

> does, it causes a host of problems, including an

> inability to get vital nutrition from our foods. If

> there is any single product I recommend above all

> others, it's Garden of Life's Primal Defense - check

> www.vitacost.com. You can get similar results with

> naturally fermented foods and acidopholis. . . If you

> get acidopholis, be sure you buy it from the

> refigerated section of the health food store and keep

> it refigerated.

>

> Hope this helps . . . You'll be amazed at how much

> better you'll feel in a just a few weeks if you make a

> committment to do what needs to be done . . . even if

> you don't feel like it right now!

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

[Guest guest]

Thank you Kathy! I will visit here more. I haven't seen the " Maker's Diet " yet

but I will look

for it. Until recently, I haven't had the energy to cook or do much of anything

which has

made it hard to eat properly. Also, I was so depressed for awhile, I just was

not taking

care of myself very well.

But now I am feeling better, although my energy is still low. I am starting to

eat better,

and am taking probiotics. I have taken primal defense but ran out of it. (My

doctor

recommended that also). I need to get some more - my husband's next paycheck

lol.

I want to get to the point of walking a mile or two every day. That is going to

take some

time. I still have trouble sleeping, too. I was taking sleeping pills still,

but have decided

they really are not helping so I am going to quit those.

> > > Molly,

> > >

> > > This group is as much for gel implanted women as it is

> > > for saline . . . There are a number of us who had

> > > silicone gel . . . I did, and I know Lynda did. Lea

> > > had the awful polyurethane implants.

> > >

> > > It doesn't matter . . . They all make you sick if you

> > > keep them long enough.

> > >

> > > I'm glad to hear you're doing better. It takes time,

> > > and even then, at least for me, I have to stay on my

> > > " program " or I regress. Most of the time I feel well

> > > though!

> > >

> > > What have you been doing to get better?

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Rogene

[Guest guest]

Is " The Maker's Diet " a Christian book? I am not very religious, and am

Jewish...

so I don't know if that is for me or not. I just looked it up and found it at a

Christian

bookstore?

> > > Molly,

> > >

> > > This group is as much for gel implanted women as it is

> > > for saline . . . There are a number of us who had

> > > silicone gel . . . I did, and I know Lynda did. Lea

> > > had the awful polyurethane implants.

> > >

> > > It doesn't matter . . . They all make you sick if you

> > > keep them long enough.

> > >

> > > I'm glad to hear you're doing better. It takes time,

> > > and even then, at least for me, I have to stay on my

> > > " program " or I regress. Most of the time I feel well

> > > though!

> > >

> > > What have you been doing to get better?

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Rogene

[Guest guest]

Molly . . .

I'm laughing . . . The writer is Jewish by birth . . .

But, I believe, he is Christian by religion . . . The

book is not about religion though. He believes the

Jewish food traditions arose from health concerns.

Based on your Jewish background, you would probably

appreciate the book even more than those of us who are

not Jewish.

I understand a number of the churches have endorsed

the book . . . so that's probably why you found it in

a Christian book store.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Molly,

The best price I've found for Garden of Life products

is on www.vitacost.com . . .

Have you tried Celestial Seasonings Sleepy Time tea

for helping to put you in a sleep mode?

The only medication I still take regularly is

Temazapam (15 mg). . . a sleep med. . . I can quit

without withdrawal, but even after months off it, I

wake everytime my hubby stirs. Since I feel so much

better when I sleep deeply, I'm going to keep taking

this one. Doctors, who understand the connection

between sleep and Fibromyalgia, are OK with

prescribing it at that level.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

I just bought this book on Half.com. I'll give it a look - it sounds good, at

least with

regards to diet and tips and such.

> > > Molly,

> > >

> > > This group is as much for gel implanted women as it is

> > > for saline . . . There are a number of us who had

> > > silicone gel . . . I did, and I know Lynda did. Lea

> > > had the awful polyurethane implants.

> > >

> > > It doesn't matter . . . They all make you sick if you

> > > keep them long enough.

> > >

> > > I'm glad to hear you're doing better. It takes time,

> > > and even then, at least for me, I have to stay on my

> > > " program " or I regress. Most of the time I feel well

> > > though!

> > >

> > > What have you been doing to get better?

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Rogene