Re: Gillespie on using estrogen without progesterone

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

I just spoke with Pete Huessman a well respected pharmacist at

Bellevue Pharmacy Solutions, recommemded by Power Surge and he said

you need 100 mg. vaginal suppository for 12-14 days every 3 1/2

mos. Sounds like Gelliespie isn't recommending enough progesterone

to induce bleeding. That's what he said. I'lm going to try that

instead and see if I can tolerate the vag. prog. at 100 mg..

Thanks for responding,

>

> The highest my E2 has tested is 61 and I got hyperplasia on 1.5mg

Estrogel +

> 50 mg vaginal P for five days every three months.

>

> Val

>

> From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ]

> On Behalf Of menomama

>

>

> I have read Larian Gillespie's book " You're Not Crazy It's Your

> Hormones " She says you can use estrogen without progesterone if

you

> keep your estorgen blood level below 115. Has anyone been doing

this

> here. I'm considering this or cycling progesterone every 3 mos.

for 5

> days. I do very badly on progesterone, so I'll have to use vaginal

> and even that causes me to have horrible side effects. Just

wanting

> some advice on this.

>

[Guest guest]

Prometrium, 200 mg for 10

days/month, every month..

Val

From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ] On

Behalf Of menomama

Just another question. What did you end up doing when you got

hyperplasia, D & C? Just wondering what I might be facing should I

have the same problem.

Thanks again,

>

> The highest my E2 has tested is 61 and I got hyperplasia on 1.5mg

Estrogel +

> 50 mg vaginal P for five days every three months.

>

> Val

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I just wanted to mention that I have noticed a huge difference in the

strength of different progesterones. I have been able to take 50 mg

vaginal compounded progesterone with very little side effects. This

month I tried 50 mg Cyclogest from Masters Marketing and I could

hardly stand it for two days. I was so tired and could hardly get off

the couch the next day that I took it. I cut back to 25 mg and did

much better but by day 10 I was having more side effects than with my

compounded progesterone. Next month I am going to try 20 mg of

Cyclogest and see what happens. The 25 mg cyclogest for 7 days with

two days of 50 mg and one day of 40 mg is giving me a good period. It

also raised my temperature from 98.2 in the morning to about 98.8

which is what I think it should do. I checked my temp throughout the

month and I am fairly certain that I did not ovulate this month so I

believe my period was induced solely by my vaginal progesterone.

With the cyclogest I made sure and positioned it right next to my

cervix at bedtime for the maximum effect (much harder to do with

compounded progesterone). I also bought a new gram scale that goes

down to 0.01 so that I can measure my cyclogest pieces better. I

started spotting at day 9. I think I could have stopped at 9 days

instead of 10 and gotten a good period. I had side effects after the

10th night that I did not have after the 9th night. After

experimenting with progesterone for over a year, nine days keeps

reappearing as the magic number for me.

Unless what Pete sells is very weak, 100 mg for 12-14 days is probably

too much (IMHO). If you read Vliet's books she recommends less

vaginal progesterone but I think it is because she uses prochieve

which may be stronger than compounded progesterone. Page 406 of the

Revised It's My Ovaries book by Vliet states that 4% Prochieve every

other night for 6 doses is a usual dose. If I am doing my math

correctly, this would be equivalent to 20 mg every day for 12 days of

vaginal progesterone (that has the same potency as Prochieve). I do

not believe my compounded progesterone is as strong as Prochieve but I

think Cyclogest may be. I think it is unlikely that Pete's

progesterone is so weak that you would need a dose 5 times stronger

than what Vliet recommends.

Wile I was on progesterone this month I increase my estrogen. I

defiantly noticed that increasing my estrogen made me feel better. It

did not help me enough on the days that I was stuck to the couch (when

I really overdosed) but it did help quite a bit the other days. Maybe

you could think about increasing your estrogen dose when you take

progesterone to see if it helps with the bad side effects.

Kathy

>

> Hi Val,

>

> I just spoke with Pete Huessman a well respected pharmacist at

> Bellevue Pharmacy Solutions, recommemded by Power Surge and he said

> you need 100 mg. vaginal suppository for 12-14 days every 3 1/2

> mos. Sounds like Gelliespie isn't recommending enough progesterone

> to induce bleeding. That's what he said. I'lm going to try that

> instead and see if I can tolerate the vag. prog. at 100 mg..

> Thanks for responding,

>

[Guest guest]

yes, oral. 50 mg vaginal/month for 10 days gave me

terrible OD symptoms- mostly hair loss and weight gain. It was cumulative over 3 - 4 months I

used it. Maybe I could tolerate

every 3.5 months.

Val

From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ] On

Behalf Of menomama

Val,

Is it oral Prometrium? I absolutely cannot tolerate that....tried

the 100 mg. at bedtime and got insomnia, depression, agitation,

pounding heart. What would you do if you couldln't take the

Prometrium?

Thanks,

>

> Prometrium, 200 mg for 10 days/month, every month..

>

> Val

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

Remember me from PS? Anyway I saw my Obgyn today and decided to go

back on estrogen sublingual 1 mg. per day and 1.24 mg. test. per

day, sublingual with the progeswterone I wrote about. I forwarded

your comments to him in the form of an e-mail and waiting to see

what his response will be. I'll let you know. I'm looking forward

to being on the estrogen but am a little nervous about 3 1/2 mos.

cydling progesterone. I don't want to get hyperplasia. Good to hear

from you again.

Thanks,

> >

> > Hi Val,

> >

> > I just spoke with Pete Huessman a well respected pharmacist at

> > Bellevue Pharmacy Solutions, recommemded by Power Surge and he

said

> > you need 100 mg. vaginal suppository for 12-14 days every 3 1/2

> > mos. Sounds like Gelliespie isn't recommending enough

progesterone

> > to induce bleeding. That's what he said. I'lm going to try

that

> > instead and see if I can tolerate the vag. prog. at 100 mg..

> > Thanks for responding,

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Of course I remember you, that is why I responded to you message since

we have " talked " some much already.

Are you going to split your sublingual estrogen? Dr. Reiss page 68 of

" Natural Hormone Balance for Women " says to split sublingual estrogen

into two doses. The graph on page 76 shows sublingual

spiking/dropping quickly and wearing off after 11-12 hours. After

looking at the graph it seems like splitting your dose into three

doses would be better for a more even level.

If you get nervous about 3 ½ months you can always start your

progesterone earlier.

Kathy

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

> Remember me from PS? Anyway I saw my Obgyn today and decided to go

> back on estrogen sublingual 1 mg. per day and 1.24 mg. test. per

> day, sublingual with the progeswterone I wrote about. I forwarded

> your comments to him in the form of an e-mail and waiting to see

> what his response will be. I'll let you know. I'm looking forward

> to being on the estrogen but am a little nervous about 3 1/2 mos.

> cydling progesterone. I don't want to get hyperplasia. Good to hear

> from you again.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

I just started reading about iodine. What does it do?

Thanks,

> >

> > Kathy,

> >

> > Yes I will split them both in half. I now have 2.5 mg. of T

and2

> > mg. of E. If I split them do you think that is too high to

start,

> > using 1/2 of both in the a.m. and 1/2 in p.m. every 12 hrs.?

That's

> > What Dee told me she does and that is her regemin. Good to read

your

> > posts. You've really learned a lot. I got Vilet's

book " Screaming

> > to Be Heard, which I think is excellent. I wish she lived

within

> > 100 miles. I'd go see her.

> >

> > Thanks so much. Are you still talking with Dr. Gillespie? How

is

> > she doing for you?

> >

> > Talk soon,

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Charlotte,

What kind of iodine drops did you use and where did you get them.

Do you need an RX? How many drops? Did you use this instead of

progesterone or with P? I'm desperate to find a way to stay on

estrogen without progesterone. Just wondering.

Thanks,

>

> Gael,

> I don't know about you, but I got my pyperplasia under control:

from 1.2cm down to 0.5 mm by using Iodine drops, not P. It took me 7

months.

> I hope you make the decision that's right for your body.

> Love,

> Charlotte

> -----------------------

> Re: Re: Gillespie on using estrogen

without progesterone

>

>

>

> In a message dated 5/29/2007 4:11:33 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

val@... writes:

> Gillespie's recommendations might work for some; didn't for

me. The only way you can find a protocol is to just do it and get

an ultrasound after a year.

>

>

> Val

>

>

> They didn't seem to work for her either, if she had a

hysterectomy as reported.

>

> I used her protocol for several years and just had a D & C and

hysteroscopy three weeks ago. My doctor is recommending

hysterectomy. I have hyperplasia and polyps. The thing is, women

can get this without using the hormones the way G suggested. It is

so hard to know what to do. My endometrium was at 1.7 cm, and I had

vaginal bleeding off and on. More like spotting.

>

> I am on the fence about hysterectomy. He is pushing for it -

Dr. Samimi, who does the 'bloodless' hysterectomy that preserves

ligaments and muscles and nerve bundles in the vagina and pelvis -

and we are moving in another month or so to another part of the

country where I won't have access to him, so I am really conflicted

about this.

>

> Gael

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> Kathy,

>

> I just started reading about iodine. What does it do?

>

> Thanks,

>

Hi ,

Lynn on this group is very knowledgeable about iodine. She has

recommended reading this site for iodine information:

http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodine

Yahoo groups also has an interesting iodine group to read:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine

You have to sign up and be accepted before you can read the posts.

I have found that taking 4 drops of Lugol's solution twice a day with

vit. C has cured my breast pain/tenderness/swelling. I used to have

breast pain for two weeks every month since I can remember. Some

people use Iodoral instead of Lugol's. I bought Lugol's first because

it is less expensive than Iodoral. There is quite a bit of

information (some of it confusing) about iodine. Reading the sites

above plus Lynn's posts would be helpful. I bought my Lugol's from

this site:

http://www.jcrows.com/iodine.html

The breastcancerchoices site above sells Iodoral.

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

I have a friend who got off progesterone because of the terrible

depression it caused. Her Dr. switched her to Prometrium and she

felt better on that, which is funny but it worked for her. Do you

think more progesterone every 3 mos. would work and for longer.

Pete Huessman from Bellevue Pharmacy suggests 100 mg. vaginal

progesterone for 12-14 days every 3 - 3-1/2 mos. I'm think about

trying that.

Thanks,

> >

> > I have read Larian Gillespie's book " You're Not Crazy It's Your

> > Hormones "

>

> I just had to add my two cents to this post as I also followed Dr.

G's

> protocol. I found it very difficult to follow and developed quite

a

> lining and cysts on my ovaries. My E levels have never gotten over

50.

> I have since totally changed my protocol and went back to oral E/P

and

> have since added T. As I have posted here earlier I got frightened

due

> to her's and others hysterectomies. I've decided for myself to try

> 10-14 days of P. (against my Dr's wishes) I have been terribly

> depressed lately and wondering if it has to do with P, although my

> life is not the greatest right now. (Well with no sex drive, being

> overweight and having a crappy job is it any wonder?) I have had 3

> ultrasounds since then with one cyst remaining that has not

changed in

> almost two years.

>

[Guest guest]

Lynn,

For what purpose do you use iodine? I don't think I have a severe

thyroid problem other than hair loss at menopause but none of my

tests have shown thyroid problems. I'm interested in it to prevent

hyperplasia because I cannot tolerate progesterone. Do you use it

for that purpose also?

Thanks so much,

>

> > Lynn on this group is very knowledgeable about iodine. She has

> > recommended reading this site for iodine information:

> > http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodine

> > Yahoo groups also has an interesting iodine group to read:

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/iodine

> > You have to sign up and be accepted before you can read the

posts.

> >

> >

>

> --------> Here's another site I've been trying to read lately on

iodine.

> ...http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=815

> It's pretty overwhelming so go to the top and read the R, RN, and

BSA

> posts for the best of what's on there. Start educationing yourself

on

> iodine here and on breastcancerchoices.org. Also go to

> iodine4health.com.

>

> I currently use between 25 and 50mgs iodoral/day. I've gone up to

100mgs

> at times.

>

> Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

> For what purpose do you use iodine? I don't think I have a severe

> thyroid problem other than hair loss at menopause but none of my

> tests have shown thyroid problems. I'm interested in it to prevent

> hyperplasia because I cannot tolerate progesterone. Do you use it

> for that purpose also?

>

----> I had/have fibrocystic breasts. I say have because after a year

on iodine i have no pain in them but the cysts are still there. They

are getting smaller and I've dropped almost 1.2 a bra size

....something I would like.

Fibrocystic breasts, fibroid, ovarian cysts etc are ALL signs

something is going wrong iwth the tissue. Fibrocystic breasts put one

at risk for breast cancer. Iodine helps the cells to arrange

themselves correctly.

I would imagine although not seen any evidence that hyperplasia is

also in that category. I can't really speak to that as I've not had a

uterine ultrasound lately so don't know the shape of my uterus. I also

haven't done progesterone in quite awhile. My doctor said as long as

I'm bleeding every few months don't worry about it.

You really need to go into breastcancerchoices.org and read the

material on iodine. It's most likely 99% of us walking around the USA

are deficient to some degree. There is a huge amount of information on

that site and links to others places you can teach yourself.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Sorry to be slow in answering. Haven't looked on here in a few days.

I use Women's International Pharmacy. Their P capsules are in oil and

I just insert the whole capsule vaginally with my fingers. It quickly

melts. I use it at night after I lie down to go to sleep, just once.

That way I can sleep through the worst of the P symptoms. I find that

the day following the P insertion, I feel kind of lousy at breakfast,

but then feel better and better as the day wears on and my P level

drops. I just finished my 12th night of P last night. I am so happy

to be through! ----Rosette

>

> Rosette,

>

> Which pharmacy to you use that is less expensive than Bellevue? Is

> your 50 mg. such that you can insert it right in the capsule or do

> you have to take contents out? Do you just use your finger? Do

you

> use it only once per day and if so is it at night?

>

>