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I am Martha Burk, chair of the National Council of Women's Organizations. The National Council of Women's Organizations is the nation's oldest and largest coalition of women's groups. We are here today to join with health advocates to talk to you about this very serious problem with the FDA and breast implants. The reason the National Council of Women's Organizations, which encompasses many groups, not just health groups, is so concerned about this is because it is uniquely a women's issue and it uniquely affects the health and lives of many, many women. Breast augmentation is the second most popular cosmetic surgery procedure. Over 334,000 procedures were performed last year, and that was a 19 percent increase over the year before. Frighteningly, according to the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, almost 4,000 of the augmentation procedures done last year were done on girls age 18 and younger. Breast implants are getting to be a popular graduation gift. This is truly frightening. Yet breast implant manufacturers' own data show that one in five augmentation patients and over half of cancer survivors require re- operation in less than three years because of problems related to the implants. FDA scientists have found that most implants break within 10 to 15 years and one in five broken silicone gel implants leaks outside the breast area. Recommended treatment is removal and re-implantation -- neither of which is covered by health insurance. This is most assuredly a women's problem. It is most assuredly a health problem. And it is most assuredly a corporate accountability problem. How many times have women been told before that something affecting their health and lives is safe and later we find that it wasn't true; the data were not there, or the data were there and they were not being made public? Women's groups are concerned. No one wants another Dalkon Shield. No one wants another Playtex tampon. Yet these devices were said to be safe as well. The manufacturers told us there was no problem -- and what happened? Millions of women were affected. Lives were endangered and lives were lost. We do not want a repeat of the Dalkon Shield with breast implants. The FDA owes it to women. The manufacturers owe it to women. If they are not hiding anything, why don't they release the data? I would like to introduce the next speaker. She is Kim Gandy, president of the National Organization for Women. GANDY: Thank you, Martha. As president of the National Organization for Women, I join with many of my colleagues here today to call on the United States Congress to step in and fully investigate the entire circumstances surrounding the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's decision to send an approvable letter to Mentor Corporation regarding dangerous silicone gel breast implants. GANDY: From the allegations of fraud and deception coming from managers at Mentor Corporation involving this very data and these very implants, to the role of the senior manager at the FDA who acted more like a representative of the manufacturer than a person carrying out a public trust. In their extensive public relations campaign to pressure the FDA to approve these risky implants while denigrating the women's health community for opposing their approval and those of us who are requesting long-term safety data, manufacturers are trying to position these dangerous breast implants as a choice that women must be free to make. No reasonable person would suggest that untested drugs or drugs that haven't been proven safe should be sold to anyone who will pay the price on the basis that it's their choice to use a drug that hasn't been proven safe. If that were permitted, there would be a lot of charlatans on street corners hawking cancer cures and making a lot of people sick. Come to think of it, that's exactly what the breast implant companies are doing with these implants -- they're making women sick. Women will risk a lifetime of grave complications from faulty breast implants because the Bush administration and their appointees value short-term profits over women's long-term health. Bush-appointed FDA Commissioner Lester Crawford is rewarding a company that's been accused by former employees -- in fact, former managers -- of falsifying and withholding data about these implants and the company that was itself the subject of a long-term criminal investigation by the Food and Drug Administration. Lester Crawford is a veterinarian, but at the FDA he's treating women like dogs. GANDY: The FDA's not being coy about its political agenda. The testimony of women who suffered from silicone gel leakage, migration to other organs, painful capsular (ph) contraction and disfigurement, and increased risk of death from suicide, brain cancer and lung cancer -- all of which have been documented by clinical research and rec ognized by the FDA staff -- apparently aren't enough for the FDA to offset a lobbying campaign directed at political appointees like Lester Crawford. What happened to the FDA that once protected women from the cruelty of thalidomide and other dangerous drugs, putting the public interest and the public health above the greed of corporate interests? The FDA must not put corporate profits ahead of women's health and Lester Crawford must stop being a lap dog for the industry. Approval of a device that is potentially harmful, and in fact, we believe, proven harmful for hundreds of thousands of women, is both duplicitous and dangerous, especially when taken by the federal agency whose main mission is not to support industry, but to protect the public health. It's time for Congress to step in and conduct a thorough investigation of how the FDA came to make this compromised and deceptive decision. NOW and many other groups have sent a Freedom of Information Act request for copies of documents pertaining to this criminal investigation, documents we think were not available to the advisory panel when they made their recommendations, and they are also asking for specific details about the conditions under which the FDA issued this approvable letter to Mentor Corporation. We are asking the Food and Drug Administration to withdraw the approvable letter immediately, to open its files to Congress for an investigation and to comply with our request. Women deserve the facts. Without them, there is no real choice. And now I'd like to introduce Dr. Zuckerman, who is the president of the National Research Center on Women and Families. ZUCKERMAN: Thank you. I'm Dr. Zuckerman and I'm an epidemiologist, and I'm going to talk about why we're so concerned about the research that's been done and that hasn't been done. ZUCKERMAN: This morning, I was on a TV program with a plastic surgeon who said breast implants are the most studied product in American history. That would be sad if it were true, but it is not true. Let's start with one undeniable fact: Silicone breast implants have been sold for 40 years, but the companies have only provided two or at most three years of data. If these implants are so safe, why don't the companies prove it by studying women who've had them for a long time? And why does our center keep hearing every day from women who have breast implant problems, many of them with leaking silicone breast implants that are leaking silicone into their bodies and that they can't afford to have removed? And some of these photos give you some ideas of what these women are dealing with. They send us their photos and ask us for help. The first 30 years of research on breast implants can be summarized quickly in just a few seconds. I was a congressional investigator in 1990 when I initiated a hearing on the FDA regulation of breast implants. And I can tell you, at that time, after 30 years of selling breast implants, there were zero clinical trials and epidemiological studies that were published -- zero. A million women had breast implants, zero published epidemiological or clinical studies. So in 1991, the FDA finally required implant companies to submit safety data. And the data were so -- pathetic is really the only word I can use. They were so pathetic that the FDA rejected their applications. So how did the companies respond? Did they respond by improving their research and continuing those studies to make them better? No. Instead, they stopped the studies and they lost track of all of those women. And if they had continued the studies that were started in the early '90s, we would have really good data today. Meanwhile, in the '90s, there were reports in the medical literature and in physicians' offices that there were a lot of implant patients who were getting sick and some of the doctors were reporting things like silicone dripping from women's nipples. Dow Corning, which was the maker of silicone and still is, started spending millions of dollars on Copyright © Toxic Discovery 1994-2005 Page 15 research designed to prove that their product was safe which they used to defend themselves in a class-action lawsuit. Then in 1999, the Institute of Medicine did a review of all the research on breast implants up until that time. That is probably the most misunderstood IOM report in history. First, IOM did express very strong concerns about what they called local complications. ZUCKERMAN: That's the kind of thing you see here. That's a scar over there on the left. This woman over here had breast augmentation. When her implants leaked, the silicone had leaked into her breasts. When the silicone was removed, her breasts ended up puckered and very deformed. She looks almost like she had a mastectomy, but she didn't. She's an augmentation patient. The IOM report is long but most of the studies were done on animals or cells. There were very few studies actually of women. And almost all of them were funded by Dow Corning. And the studies that were funded by Dow Corning had three major flaws. First of all, they studied small numbers of women. Secondly, they studied women who had breast implants for a very short period of time. For example, there was one study where none of the women in that study had implants for more than two years. And third, they didn't actually conduct medical exams of the women. So they relied on either self report or medical records without doing medical exams. And so it's not surprising that those studies did not find conclusive evidence that breast implants cause disease and they didn't look at things like local complications that can cause breasts to become painful, hard or terribly deformed. After the Institute of Medicine report came out, scientists at the NIH, the National Cancer Institute and the FDA did their own studies. And these studies were much better designed than the industry studies. For starters, they looked at women who had breast implants for at least six or seven years. So these were women who had implants for quite a while. In many cases, the implants had started to break and leak and the women were reporting that they got sick. ZUCKERMAN: And they found a statistically significant increase in several illnesses. And, for example, women with breast implants were twice as likely to die from brain cancer and three times as likely to die from lung cancer. And that was compared to other plastic surgery patients of the same age and similar health habits -- for example, smoking. Other government studies have found silicone in women's lymph nodes under their arms and from there, it can travel to other organs throughout their body, including their brains and their lungs. But a funny thing happened to those NCI and FDA studies when the implant makers presented their data to the FDA just a few months ago -- those studies just disappeared. So the companies did a summary of the research evidence in favor of their product and just ignored the government studies showing these very serious, frightening problems. It's as if they don't exist. And only the studies that were funded by Dow Corning of which there are now dozens of such studies, those were the only ones that were reported by Mentor and Inamed in their research literature review. And it won't probably surprise you to know that those studies did claim that breast implants were safe. But the FDA doesn't just rely on research reviews -- they require implant manufacturers to study their own products to see how women are doing with those specific breast implants. And they required them to look at local complications such as pain and hardness, scarring and deformities. And they didn't really expect to find very much in the first couple of years, but they did. They found that these local complications increased every year. And they also required the companies to look at auto-immune symptoms such as joint pain, fatigue and mental confusion or memory loss. ZUCKERMAN: And surprisingly, in just two years, both companies found increases -- increases in memory loss, increases in joint pain and increases in chronic fatigue -- compared to the women just before getting breast implants. They didn't think they'd find them in two years, but they did, and it was statistically significant even when they controlled for age, the women's age. But most importantly, we want to talk about what happens when breast implants break. We know that breast implants do break in the body. When silicone breast implants break, there are often no symptoms at all. They can leak. They can get into the lymph nodes. They can get throughout the body through the lymphatic system. And the women may not know it, and this can go on for years. And that is exactly why we need long-term data, because we need to know what happens to women when that silicone is leaking in their body. I just want to say, I personally think the worst part of this whole situation is that the companies did not provide meaningful data on breast cancer patients. As we all know, breast implants are an option for women with breast cancer, but neither company provided longterm data on breast cancer patients. They only provided two or at most three years of data on breast cancer patients. Most breast cancer patients live long lives now. The survival rate is very good. And those women deserve to know whether implants are going to cause problems. And we know one of the women who are here today can talk about the problems that she had with her implants after getting them for breast cancer. Unfortunately, because the companies don't study it, we don't know. In summary, 2 million women in America now have breast implants. The companies could have provided really good data by now. They've had these implants on the market for a long time. They could have taken these women, studied them, found out how they were doing, had doctors examine them, check them out really thoroughly. Just taking a few thousand randomly selected women would have gotten us the information we need. But they didn't. And in addition to that, we have reason to be concerned about the integrity even of the data that they have provided. And Pearson, who's the executive director of the National Women's Health Network, will tell you more about that. Thank you. PEARSON: Thank you. I represent the National Women's Health Network, which is an independent, member-supported advocacy group. Our purpose is to improve the health of women by serving as a watchdog, by looking at important women's health issues and making an analysis which individual women can use to support their informed decision-making and which can drive policy in the direction of protecting women's health. We've been involved with breast implant issues for quite some time. I've personally been at every FDA implant panel meeting since 1990 -- not quite as long as some of the people on this panel, but a long time. And I'll just say quickly that the network as an organization shares the concerns about the lack of sound scientific data on which women could base -- have a reasonable assurance of safety, as Dr. Zuckerman has covered. But we also have another concern. And I was so struck by the comments made by Martha Burk and Kim Gandy when they opened of don't let us have another Dalkon Shield IUD. Why isn't the FDA stepping in to assure safety the way it did with thalidomide? PEARSON: Those are iconic events in the United States' history of public regulation and the FDA's role as a consumer watchdog and a guarantor of the safety of women. In both cases, the products were very dangerous -- deadly, in some cases. But in one case, the FDA was able to act to spare women and children in the United States from the harm experienced around the rest of the world in thalidomide, which was never approved in the United States. What made the difference? Why was there a Dalkon Shield tragedy in the United States, but not a thalidomide tragedy in the United States? It was because, in the case of thalidomide, the FDA had access to the data which enabled them to stop approval. The manufacturer of the Dalkon Shield IUD, A.H. Robbins, was not a good corporate citizen. It had information about lower effectiveness and higher risks, but it withheld that information. Learning those lessons, we now feel that we need to watch carefully for any other instance of bad corporate behavior, of withholding of information, of trying to mislead the FDA and prevent it from making a decision based on good information -- on all the information available. And there are many things about, specifically, the Mentor submission and request for approval of silicone breast implants that trouble us. We don't know for a fact that they are a bad corporate citizen in the way that A.H. Robbins was in selling the Dalkon Shield IUD when they knew it to be defective and dangerous. But we're troubled and we have no assurance from the FDA that they have completely examined the things that trouble us. In the New York Times it was reported, in May of this year, I believe, that Mentor employers -- former Mentor employees have stated in sworn depositions that they observed Mentor to falsify information, to minimize the reports of complications and, in fact, to even hide defective implants when the FDA came for inspections. There are sworn statements that implants were hidden in the ceiling tiles when the FDA came to call, and tucked away. There are sworn statements that the company received, on average, during a three-year period, 6,000 reports of complaints and only reported in an eight-year period a total of 8,000 complaints. Some of these reports and allegations date back to the mid- and late 1990s, but they do include the devices that Mentor asked the FDA to consider for approval this very year. The concerns that have been raised are current, they are important, they apply directly to what women need to know about a product that could potentially be approved. We raised these concerns -- some that we were aware of -- at the FDA meeting. We brought up reports that we had, had from women who believe they have been dropped from the studies, that the studies that appear to give good safety rates may have left out women with problems. We have brought these issues up, we brought them up again in a personal meeting with the commissioner. We have filed formal requests for information about the FDA's investigation. We have asked directly whether panel members knew the information that had been alleged and that the FDA had tried to investigate and none of our questions have been answered. We have not been assured. We have not been told what the results of the FDA's actions were to investigate these issues. We have not been told to what extent they have been investigated. We have not been told whether or not panel members know. PEARSON: And with these grave questions raised, our belief is that the FDA should stop its process now until women and the public are assured that the allegations and the appearance that Mentor is a bad corporate citizen have been put to rest. We can't risk another Dalkon Shield IUD in the United States. We need the FDA to be the strong and tough regulator that it was at the time of thalidomide -- keep women's health protected until there's enough evidence to show that a product is safe. And we are going to continue asking the FDA through formal means to release this information and also to slow up on the process until the questions have been answered. Thank you. And next you'll hear from Dr. Sidney Wolfe, who is the longtime head of Public Citizen Health Research Group. WOLFE: Thanks, . I just want to review a little bit the, I guess, 17 years involvement I've had with this. In 1988, we received a package of internal documents from the FDA signed by different FDA employees in the device division all pointing to the direction of a serious group of problems with the device. We read these memos carefully, did a literature search, and in the end of 1988, we filed a petition to ban silicone gel breast implants. Several years later, FDA declared a moratorium on silicone gel breast implants. And it's interesting that at time -- this is now 13 years ago -- they asked the companies, 13 years ago, to do core studies that will focus on the frequency of implant rupture and leakage, calcium deposits, frequency and severity of capsular contracture (ph), the extent of interference with mammography and frequency of changes in breast nipple sensation. This is in '92. And in '98, as several people have mentioned, the Institute of Medicine convened a panel on this. The main thing that the FDA and, I think, even more so the companies say about the IOM is that it failed to show any evidence for systemic disease. I want to quote you, though, from the IOM recommendations. Again, these are now 1999, six years ago. Quote, " First, re- operations and local and peri-operative complications are frequent enough to be a cause for concern and to justify the conclusion that they are the primary safety issue with silicone gel breast implants. Complications may have risks themselves such as pain, disfigurement and serious infection and may lead to medical and surgical interventions such as re-operations that have risk. " WOLFE: " Second, risks accumulate over the lifetime of the implant, but quantitative data on this point are lacking for modern implants " -- again, six years ago -- " and deficient historically. " " Third " -- and this is already seven years after the FDA asked companies in '92 for these kinds of data -- " third, information concerning the nature and the relatively high frequency of local complications and re-operations, " quote, " is an essential element of adequate informed consent. " That goes back on what Kim and others have said, that you can't have informed consent if you don't have the longterm data. The IOM asked for this now six years ago. Then and now, the fundamental question is: Are silicon gel breast implants safe? Have the companies done studies that provide reasonable assurance of safety as required by FDA law? This means long-term data, since women could be having implants in their bodies for 10 to 30 years, and data on long-term breakage rates are therefore essential. Why -- 13 years after the moratorium on silicon gel breast implants imposed by the FDA, and the agency's simultaneous request for long-term data -- have the companies failed to provide at least 10 years of data? They have not, as you heard, provided even five years of reliable data. This industry failure represents a combination of disrespect and reckless disregard for the health of women, and arrogance for the law. In December 2003, Mark McClellan, President Bush's first FDA commissioner, reviewed this issue and rejected approval, ruling that Inamed had not demonstrated reasonable assurance of safety because of a lack of long-term data. That's almost two years ago. McClellan's FDA then issued a guidance for the companies consisting of a road map of what companies needed to demonstrate to do disseminary (ph) safety. The centerpiece was long-term data. Yet, a few months later, in the spring of 2004, shortly after the guidance had been issued, the companies sent in what couldn't possibly have fulfilled the long-term data obligations since it was only a few months after the guidance. The FDA staff reviewed it and concluded that the data were deficient because no long-term data on breakage was provided. Now, as one of his first acts as commissioner, Commissioner Crawford has proposed to overturn the decision of his predecessor, Commissioner McClellan, and 13 years of FDA precedent and approve breast implants on the theory Copyright © Toxic Discovery 1994-2005 Page 19 that FDA can grant the approval now, even though they lack sufficient data, which they propose to get later -- and then get the data later. This turns the statute on its head and is plainly unlawful. If the agency goes ahead and grants full approval to either the Mentor or the Inamed silicon gel breast implants, we will seriously consider filing a lawsuit to challenge what plainly would be unlawful, arbitrary and capricious agency action. The dangerous doctrine of " approve now, test later " must be firmly rejected. Just a couple further comments. One, the context in which this comes is at a time when there are those that are claiming that the FDA is being too cautious. I think that this is, at best, arguable in the drug area. In the device area, if anything, they are entirely reckless. They have recently shown their inability to deal promptly with this massive disaster concerning Guidant defibrillators and pacemakers. They have approved, with no evidence of effectiveness, a risky device for treating depression, the Cyberonics vagal nerve stimulator, which has a number of unexplained deaths associated with it -- which the FDA claimed that the company would have to explain, but they haven't explained. WOLFE: So the FDA is really clearly dysfunctional, and this at least apparent attempt to approve the Mentor implant goes more into that. This also raises the issue of congressional oversight. In the 1970s and '80s, one Senate committee, the Senate Small Business Subcommittee, had 135 days of FDA oversight hearings, mainly on drugs, some on devices. There have been very few hearings in the last five or 10 years, and although there were a few on drugs, there's virtually no significant oversight of medical devices. In the last three years, according to data from the American Society of Plastic Surgeons, there have been 172,000 breast implants surgically removed in the United States. Now, a large proportion of these are saline implants, but a growing proportion of them are silicone gel implants. And if the approval were to go through, a large proportion -- the majority -- would turn out to be women who have silicone leaking into their chest because of rupture. Amongst the reasons stated for these kinds of withdrawals are physical symptoms related to problems such as rupture, hardening of the fibrous capsule, and other local and regional complications. Imagine what kind of congressional oversight there would be, contrary to what there has been now, if there were 172,000 penile implants removed surgically in the United States. The answer is, we'd have hearing after hearing after hearing. And there has been very little congressional involvement, and particularly most of it has been on the part of women. This is -- stated correctly, this is a problem that really affects women. That does not mean men cannot be involved. So in summary, we are seriously considering legal action against the FDA if this is approved. And as mentioned by other people, we are insisting on FDA release of the approvable letter so we can see exactly what kind of conditions were attached, how many of them are in the future, unfortunately, and also a release of this extensive investigation into the possible criminal activity of Mentor. Thank you. BURK: Thank you very much to all the speakers. I want to just add a footnote in behalf of the National Council of Women's Organizations. We have also filed a Freedom of Information Act request on these data in behalf of our 220 national groups and our corporate accountability task force. Before we start questions, I would like to introduce two people that are with us today and will be available for questions as well. Sybil Goldrich is a cancer survivor who had four sets of implants after her mastectomy. Biopsies revealed silicone in her liver, uterus and ovaries. Sybil was the first person to go public with her story in the late '80s, and her activism is what led to the restriction on the sale of implants in the 1990s. Many of you might recognize McDonough, who is also with us. She played on " The Waltons. " She received silicone implants in 1982. She is the founder of In the Know, which is an L.A.-based support group for victims of plastic surgery disasters. And now we will take questions for these two and for anyone on the panel. Please identify yourself before asking your question. QUESTION: Beyond the Senate health investigation that's going on into silicone breast implants that Senator Enzi is leading, what other people on the Hill do you have in support of a more comprehensive investigation? BURK: The question is, what other people on Capitol Hill are in support of a further investigation? ZUCKERMAN: As many of you know, seven women senators wrote a letter to Dr. Crawford. It so happened that it kind of crossed in the mail the same day that the FDA announced its approvable letter. So those are not Senate investigators, but those are senators who expressed some very, very strong concerns about the quality and integrity of the data for Mentor and also the quality of the data for Inamed. And that's a bipartisan group that was led by Senator Olympia Snowe and Senator Dianne Feinstein. In addition to that, on the House side, the Energy and Commerce Investigative Subcommittee has in the past looked into this issue, and I believe still is looking into this issue, and my understanding is they have a box of documents that have never been made public. ZUCKERMAN: And that is part of our request that we see what are in those boxes which have to do with an FDA investigation of Mentor to determine if, in fact, they had misled the FDA about both rupture rates and other things pertaining to the safety of their product. QUESTION: Do we know for sure what are the reasons for women choosing implants? Aside from personal choices, are there business or commercial reasons for women choosing breast implants? I am aware of motivation for women in the commercial sex and pornography industries choosing implants, but what role are legitimate businesses like restaurants, nightclubs, entertainment fields playing in women making these uninformed choices? BURK: I will answer that briefly and then anyone else can add to it if they would like. I think the popular culture is most definitely feeding the desire for implants. We have restaurants like Hooter's where breast size is unquestionably part of the hiring decision. I was told about a major mainstream news organization that considered asking one of its anchors to have breast implants. So there's no question that the demand is being driven by the popular culture. I think it is truly frightening, as I said earlier, that young girls younger than 18 are being given these things as graduation gifts. MCDONOUGH: Hi. McDonough, founder of In the Know. Having come from an acting background, addressing the entertainment aspect of it, of course, you know, when I got finished with " The Waltons " it wasn't enough for me to just be America's little sister anymore. I felt an incredible sense of pressure to look a certain way to compete in my field. And, granted, I was an actress and that was expected, but now it has expanded. I get letters all the time from women who feel that they're buying into this idea that if my self esteem is better, then I will get a better job. So it has expanded into the workplace. It has expanded into the business place. The myth, the glass ceiling: I must look this way in order to get a better job. So it is not just about women in the entertainment industry or doing porno films. It is an idea and a concept that has expanded to young girls who are 16 and instead of getting cars, their parents are giving them breast implants because I think they believe everything that's out there that the manufacturers and the plastic surgeons have put out saying these are safe. They do not know the risks, unfortunately, until something horrible happens to them. And then they write to me and say, " Why didn't anybody tell me? Why didn't my plastic surgeon tell me the facts? " And that's why we're here today. Women have to have the facts. And it's not just about the entertainment industry. It is about Hooter's, but it's not about Hooter's. It's everywhere. It's in women's thought that it will help my self esteem. Well, how will the self esteem be helped when the woman is completely disfigured or she cannot even work, and she loses her job and she drops out of college? So I question that greatly. GOLDRICH: Hi. I just want to say one word. I'm Sybil Goldrich. And I want to address the fact that part of the industry is the plastic surgery industry. They have a great investment in selling these products, because they put them in at one price, they take them out at a higher price. They put them back in at another price. And for the life of a woman, it will be an extremely costly venture. However, for the life of the plastic surgeon, it will be a very successful venture. So we can't deny that plastic surgeons and, by the way, anybody who practices medicine is entitled to put a breast implant in, will profit tremendously from this product. Therefore, they support it generously. QUESTION: My question is have this group of women considered ways to promote lifestyles and ways to enjoy a woman's natural body as a counterway to counteract this? And I know that your group, In the Know, does do that as well. What kind of efforts (inaudible)? BURK: I will answer for the National Organization for Women. Kim Gandy had to leave. But for years, NOW has had a " Love Your Body " campaign. And it is about teaching young girls and women that their bodies are OK as they are and that we don't need to aspire to some ideal that is impossible to achieve anyway and isn't going to enhance our lives at all. Did you want to add to that? MCDONOUGH: There are so many actresses who have implants and so few who will come forward and actually talk about it. I guess, you know, everybody has a mission and purpose. And I guess the reason I had this was so I could come and speak about it. I have toured colleges and high schools and talked about women's body image and women's health. And certainly, my lesson through 10 years of being sick and now having been diagnosed with lupus, my message has always been that it is about who I am inside. And I had to go through a horrible experience to learn that. But, yes, we try and pass that on as much as possible. But a lot of times, we just don't have that many women talking about it. And unfortunately, women get sick before they hear the message and they really understand it. Being young, you think you're invincible. MCDONOUGH: But definitely, my lesson was learning to love me, how I am, how I was, was such a value, that nobody ever told me that I was OK. That it was OK just to be who I am. And I think there is an effort now to actually teach young girls to love their bodies as they are. BURK: There was also a body imag e tour last year by a number of the women's groups, including NOW, including National Council of Women's Organizations, that concentrated on body image, eating disorders as well as implants. So it was a very successful tour in terms of the acceptance of college women to start really thinking about this. QUESTION: What kind of research do you think needs to be done to prove that breast implants are safe? ZUCKERMAN: Well, this isn't rocket science -- a good day to be talking about rocket science, I think. This is not rocket science. Really, what we need are studies of a few thousand women and what happens to them over time. That is what the FDA required, but they let the companies stop after just two or three years. And as has been mentioned, in the case of Mentor, they said, " Well, we can approve breast implants now, as long as you continue those studies after we approve them. " You know, what kind of deal is this? It would, perhaps, be understandable, even for a long-term product like a breast implant, if it was a new product. But these products have been around for a long time. So what the research really should be doing, they should go back to those women they started studying in 1991, and they should find those women -- it wouldn't be that hard to do, they know who their plastic surgeons are and so on -- and then they should have medical exams for those women. They should have MRIs to find out if their silicone breast implants are leaking or broken. They should find out if the women had their implants replaced. T hey should get a full medical history. And they should examine them now. Do they have symptoms of auto-immune disease? Are there any signs of other health problems? This would be a very simple study to do and it would not cost very much money. And then we would have a really good idea. We would have 14 years of data, which is a good amount, to find out what happens to women. How often do they break? How often do they leak? And how often do the women get sick? QUESTION: What do you -- what are your viewpoints, anybody on the panel, about using body fat, actually, for reconstructive surgery on the breasts? And also, are you against, overall, just breast implants or, if somebody does have breast cancer, do you -- what kind of suggestions do you have for them if they (inaudible) and they actually want it? BURK: Sybil, the breast cancer survivor, I think, wants to take that one. GOLDRICH: In 1984, I had a TRAM flap, which is transferring the abdominal tissue to the chest wall to create a chest wall -- that was after four sets of failed breast implants. And it's a wonderful surgery. It's formidable. And not everybody's a candidate. And cancer patients are offered that surgery. However, the problem with it is that the garden variety plastic surgeon is not completely trained to do this surgery. Those that are coming out of their residencies now are getting more training in it. It is not uncomplicated. There is now a surgery called the free flap, where you can take body tissue from the buttock or thigh to create a breast. And the insurance companies do cover that. But if a woman who wants larger breasts wants to get a tummy tuck in order to get larger breasts, it's going to cost her upwards of $35,000. And I suspect that would limit an 18-year- old. MCDONOUGH (?): And just to answer your other question -- one of the misconceptions about all of us in the women's groups that come up is that everybody thinks we're anti-implant. That is absolutely false. I wish that my implants did not rupture in my system and did not cause me 10 years of illness. Believe me, I want a safe implant. And I don't know if I'm speaking for everyone here, but what we want is a safe implant. We want the manufacturers to come up with something safe and we want the FDA not to approve something that isn't proven safe. And I wish that there was a safe implant. But with the recent studies that just came out about, you know, mammography and detecting breast cancer early -- we know that implants get in the way of mammography. And so it is dangerous. And more than anything, I wish that my implants were great and that they worked. But they didn't and they don't. And so I want women to have a safe choice. I want women who choose it for cosmetic surgery like I did, but I especially want women who have breast cancer to have a safe option and something that will not hurt them after everything that they've gone through with having breast cancer. So there you go. QUESTION: I wanted to ask if you had any statistics on saline implants and what the risks are with those and what kind of issues are being presented by them and if they're an option - - a safe option. BURK: Statistics on saline implants and what the risks are -- we need a quick answer. PEARSON (?): Right. The FDA did approve saline-filled implants, which are contained in the silicone gel. The data were very short -- silicone envelope, thank you. The data were very short and the long-term follow-up was very lacking. In one study, over 90 percent of the women were lost to the company - - not lost to my 14-year-old daughter who could Google them, but they were lost to the company at follow-up. So they were approved with what FDA officials told us privately might be at least a floor of data on which future products could approve, if the saline implants were out there. What we're seeing, though, is that one bad approval is leading, potentially, to other bad approvals, with possibly even more dangerous consequences for women. BURK: That brings us to the last possible question which I am going to ask myself of Dr. Wolfe because, I think, you went over something that is potentially very important in this issue and I'd just like a final comment about the possibility that, if this data does not get released, that you might be filing a lawsuit. WOLFE: There are really two parts to that. One, I was saying that if there is an approval of either the Mentor or the Inamed implants, there is a reasonably good chance that we may sue the FDA for violating the law arbitrating capricious behavior. You're raising the additional question, which is: If the Free Information Request for either the criminal investigation file on Mentor or the approvable letter not granted, there is also a chance there that litigation will be entered into to force these data out into the public. WOLFE: Of course, there's always the Congress that has more easy access, if they so choose, to these kinds of data. I think one way or another these data will come out. And my guess is that either or both of those -- the approvable letter or the criminal investigation -- will further put off the reckless decision that the FDA seems on the verge of making right now. BURK: Thank you very much. On behalf of all of the groups represented here today, I would like to thank you for attending the news conference. The panelists will be here afterward to answer any questions. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ For more on this ongoing controversy, please visit: www.BreastImplantAwareness.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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