Re: Liver and Spleen Enlarged - Kathy

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Hi Kathy,

Thanks for all of this information. Quite a bit here. I know that when your liver hurts and you are told that it is enlarged along with your spleen it is something to be worried about. Detoxing always isn't the answer to all of the problems that exist with the liver. I believe that you have to find out what is wrong first and then go from there.

I know that whatever it is, it has been caused from the implants. That is when most of my organs started to hurt. My spleen hurts from time to time since explant but my liver is still hurting.

I've been checked for hepatitis, mono did show up when I was originally diagnosed but they seemed to think that I had it when I was younger. I didn't or I would have known it. As for cirrhosis, I don't know how you are checked for that but I thought that was something that only alcoholics get. I'll do a search for that. I would imagine that an ultrasound would show that.

Anyway, I'll let you know when I find out more information. For now, I'll keep up with the detoxing until I find out what is wrong. It just might be that the liver is toxic because the liver and spleen work together but then again it could be something much more serious as your e-mails shows.

Thanks for the help!

Beth S.

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Hi Kathy,

Not eating meat? That is strange. God, I don't even know if I could even give it up. Tough one but if I want to get better. Maybe I'll try the castor oil first and if that doesn't work then I'll eliminate the meat. I have such pain that I haven't been able to wear jeans or belts for about 3 years now. 3 years and the doctors still don't know what the hell is going on. Only that they can't see my gallbladder!

I'm detoxing using 600mg of Milk thistle. 900mg actually seemed to help a bit better but it knocks me out. I'm also taking olive leaf extract, flax seed oil, grape seed extract, garlic tablets and magnesium. I got rid of the sinus problems and the yeast infections. I just need to work on the liver problems.

I was in alot of pain last night with my spleen. When it starts to hurt, that area actually swells up and I can't wear a bra of any kind.

Thanks so much for the information and I'll let you know how I do.mikat828 <mikat828@...> wrote:

BethI just thought of something. I went to see a lady that did "energy work" on me that was recommended by my massage therapist. She told me that her liver hurt and nothing seemed to help. Then she stopped eating meat completely. She said that now her liver is ok unless she eats any meat. I thought it was kind of strange at the time, but she seemed to feel really well as long as she stuck to that diet. Also I read somewhere about using castor oil packs over organs that hurt---it helps detox them---see the info below:Edgar Cayce endorsed abdominal castor oil packs as a home remedy for all types of problems involving lymph flow, such as:Inflammation Congestion Constipation Liver, kidney, and pelvic disorders On this page you will find instructions how to apply, remove, and

care for your pack at home. Problems: cholecystitis (inflammation of the gall bladder), poor eliminations, epilepsy, various liver conditions such as cirrhosis and torpid liver, scleroderma, headaches, appendicitis, arthritis, incoordination between assminilations and eliminations, colitis, intestinal disorders such as stricture and colon impaction, incoordination between nervous systems, neuritis, and toxemia.Castor Oil PacksThe function of the packs is to improve blood flow (works like acupuncture). Applied to the lower abdomen, at least three times per week for sixty minutes each time to improve blood flow. This regimen should be followed for at least three months and then can be tapered to once a week. Packs should not be used while you are bleeding heavily. They are made by saturating wool or cotton flannel, folded four-ply, with cold-pressed castor oil (cloth should not be

dripping). The oil and flannel can be purchased at a health food store or directly from the company that makes them.The oil-saturated flannel is then placed directly on the skin of the lower abdomen and covered with a piece of plastic, such as a plastic bag. Heat, in the form of a hot water bottle or heating pad , is then applied over the pack. A blanket or towel can be placed over the heat source to keep everything in place.A non-electric heat source is best. A hot water bottle known as a Fomentek bag is OK. The patient reclines with this on her lower abdomen for sixty minutes. A supplement to this is that during this treatment you pay attention to thoughts, images, and feelings that arise and make note of them in a journal. Preliminary studies on castor oil packs done at the Washington School of Medicine indicate that they improve immune system functioning. The flannel can be stored in a plastic bag in the

refrigerator and used over again. Add extra castor oil as needed.After the treatment, you can clean your skin with a solution of two teaspoons of baking soda dissolved in one quart of water.I think this is something you might want to try. Also, the olive oil/lemon drink might be of help. Here you take the juice of one lemon and mix it with a tbsp of organic olive oil, and drink. I would start out once a day. This helps get the bile flowing and is a much milder detox than the liver cleanse by Hulda . Also, juicing apples is good for softening gallstones and helping with the gallbladder/liver. You might want to start with some of these things. What kind of detoxing are you currently doing? It is important to make sure you aren't overwhelming your body with toxins either since your liver seems to be impaired and not working properly.Hugs, kathy---

In , "Beth S." <schaffe88@y...> wrote:> Hi Kathy,> > Thanks for all of this information. Quite a bit here. I know that when your liver hurts and you are told that it is enlarged along with your spleen it is something to be worried about. Detoxing always isn't the answer to all of the problems that exist with the liver. I believe that you have to find out what is wrong first and then go from there. > > I know that whatever it is, it has been caused from the implants. That is when most of my organs started to hurt. My spleen hurts from time to time since explant but my liver is still hurting.> > I've been checked for hepatitis, mono did show up when I was originally diagnosed but they seemed to think that I had it when I was younger. I didn't or I would have known it. As for cirrhosis, I

don't know how you are checked for that but I thought that was something that only alcoholics get. I'll do a search for that. I would imagine that an ultrasound would show that. > > Anyway, I'll let you know when I find out more information. For now, I'll keep up with the detoxing until I find out what is wrong. It just might be that the liver is toxic because the liver and spleen work together but then again it could be something much more serious as your e-mails shows. > > Thanks for the help!> > > > > Beth S.> "Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole." - Caras > > > > > ---------------------------------> for Mobile> Take with you! Check email on your

mobile phone.

Beth S.

"Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole." - Caras __________________________________________________

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Beth!

Hey, if my meat eating hunter husband can give up meat, at least for

a period time, then anybody can! Truthfully, it is a mindset, and

you can learn to change your diet once you understand the benefits

of cutting back on meats. Our culture has wrongly taught us to

expect meat at almost every meal, and almost every day of our lives.

That is just not a healthy way to eat.

My husband has, in fact, experienced the benefits of detoxing to the

point that he feels lethargic after a meal with meat, and almost

regrets doing so. He has a routine down now, so we do enjoy meat

occasionally, maybe once a week, and we eat smaller portions of it

when we do eat it. We also enjoy fish alot more often.

What I wanted to point out was that meats do contribute toward liver

congestion, through excess uric acid. This is the main problem in

gout, a " rich man's disease " , which you might want to read about.

http://www.niams.nih.gov/hi/topics/gout/gout.htm

The recommendations for treatment for gout include removing meats:

http://www.cjthakkar.com/gout.html

We tend to eat too much protein in our culture. When we eat too much

protein, this places a burden on our body, so the answer lies in

cutting back on our meats and going back to a more natural diet in

which meats are eaten almost as a side dish. Remember how in

Biblical days, to celebrate they would kill the fattened calf? They

certainly didn't eat meat every day. Many cultures survive on

vegetables and rice, with meat a rare treat. They are actually

better off!

Here are a few websites that discuss the disadvantages of eating

alot of meat.

http://www.hps-online.com/foodprof4.htm

http://www.juiceguy.com/Meat-toxic-substance-hard-to-digest.shtml

Here's a website that lists some menu ideas for a detox diet:

http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/diet/detox/plan.htm

Hope that helps!

Patty

--- In , " Beth S. " <schaffe88@y...>

wrote:

> Hi Kathy,

>

> Not eating meat? That is strange. God, I don't even know if I

could even give it up. Tough one but if I want to get better.

Maybe I'll try the castor oil first and if that doesn't work then

I'll eliminate the meat. I have such pain that I haven't been able

to wear jeans or belts for about 3 years now. 3 years and the

doctors still don't know what the hell is going on. Only that they

can't see my gallbladder!

>

> I'm detoxing using 600mg of Milk thistle. 900mg actually seemed

to help a bit better but it knocks me out. I'm also taking olive

leaf extract, flax seed oil, grape seed extract, garlic tablets and

magnesium. I got rid of the sinus problems and the yeast

infections. I just need to work on the liver problems.

>

> I was in alot of pain last night with my spleen. When it starts

to hurt, that area actually swells up and I can't wear a bra of any

kind.

>

> Thanks so much for the information and I'll let you know how I do.