Re: 1 more question Voices

April 18, 2006

Hm,

I can't know for sure, but this doesn't sound like a schizophrenic (who is at

the mercy of voices anytime, anywhere, and who is usually scattered and very low

functioning--ie, not attending meetings and such...) It sounds like another

grandiose " I am so special, you better listen to me " manifestation of borderline

queenliness.

I have heard of them claiming to " see " things, " hear " God, and " sense " things,

but usually they are talking " metaphorically " --ie, they might be very

convincing--they might even believe themselves (since they appear to believe SO

many of their other blatant lies)...but in general, I think they are not

hallucinating but rather manipulating. God's will is remarkably in tune with

what the BP wants. Whereas, on the other hand, a schizophrenic will often not

like what the " voices " are telling him/her, or will fear it. A BP on the other

hand, uses her " visions " and " the voice of God " to tell you what SHE wanted you

to do all along.

Flea

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April 19, 2006

I am not sure what it has to do with anything, but I've encountered

people who go to meetings like that, where everyone claims God or

Jesus talks directly to them. A friend of mine started going

because her new husband got into it.

Anyway, I questioned her back and forth about it, because it seemed

like God was telling her to do pretty mundane things, like what to

make for dinner, but God told her husband outrageous things, like

that she (my friend, his wife) had to get rid of all her framed

posters since they weren't religious.

My friend said that it took her a while to recognize how God was

speaking to her, or the things she saw, and it sounded to me, quite

honestly, like they were taking little things that happen to most

people and imparting a lot of importance to them.

Like, for me, if I'm walking in bright sunlight, my eyes might play

tricks on me and I think I see something moving, but when I look,

there's nothing there. Well to me, it's like, wow, that stupid sun

is playing tricks on me. But to them, depending on how they feel,

they either just saw an angel or a demon. Or like, at night

sometimes I get scared and think I see a person out of the corner of

my eye, only when I look it's just a tree moving in the wind, to

them, again it's a demon or an angel.

When they say that they heard God speaking to them, it was pretty

mundane stuff normally. For me sometimes I'm at work concentrating

and a thought will pop into my head out of nowhere, like " I wonder

if Aunt Gloria is ok? " So to them, that's God speaking clearly that

they need to check on Aunt Gloria. For my friend it was even stuff

like she suddenly though " I should make tuna casserole tonight " and

she thought God was telling her what to cook.

Then they all got together in these meetings to discuss what they'd

seen and heard and all encouraged each other, to where every little

thing was hugely important. You don't accidentally step on a nail,

God put the nail there to stop you from going that way or doing

something. You don't have a weird fear for no reason--God is

telling you something important.

I imagine that for someone with BPD this kind of thing is very, very

appealing because someone with BPD might have a lot of thoughts that

don't make much sense and thinking that they all come from God

validates them. Eeeek is all I can say.

April 19, 2006

Flea and Neva,

Flea one thing you brought up that really made sence was that the

voices for schizo really don't like what they say. On the other hand

the voices my mom claimes to hear only she can hear and they are

always in her favor. I find that very convenient. Her hallutinations

I am not sure about she clims to have seen my dead twin, angels, the

devil trying to do bad things or whatever. That would probly be

either when she drank did drugs or really wanted to believe

something was there that wasn't Her mother has a simmilar thing. And

usaly my mom hears the voices when she is alone. Hmm

Well Here are some examples maybe they to mean nothing but I really

could use insight! For example... my mom claimed an angel was

sitting on her in the middle of the night telling her she was

pregnant. Maybe she read the christmas story one to many times lol.

She was not pregnant but shortly after that she was and the baby

died.

Then another example is this woman who talkes to my mom told her I

couldn't name the baby the name I wanted (which happened to be my

husbands middle name) to because in 422bc there was an evil king in

the country my husband is from. The evil king was the one who

supposedly named my husband. Figure that one out. I looked up the

country on the internet and the history and showed my mom that it

wasn't true but she threw a fit and wanted me to name my baby a

diffrent name because my dad was dreaming I had a baby and named him

a particular name it just so happened that same day before my dad

told me his dream I said " I think I want to name the baby if it is a

boy ****. " My dad didn't care he was just imagining what it would

be like when I had my baby. I din't name the baby either name, I

picked an all together new name. She was so angry she tried to kill

my baby. Her reason was that I didn't listen to God and pass God the

septor what ever that means?

I just know she is not normal and I think she has more than one

thing going on but I cant put my finger on it.I know her Dr. said

she has other things but I just feel like there could be more yet.?.

I just don't know. But thank you for the replys and they were

heplful to put perspective on things. Lizzy

>

> I am not sure what it has to do with anything, but I've

encountered

> people who go to meetings like that, where everyone claims God or

> Jesus talks directly to them. A friend of mine started going

> because her new husband got into it.

>

> Anyway, I questioned her back and forth about it, because it

seemed

> like God was telling her to do pretty mundane things, like what to

> make for dinner, but God told her husband outrageous things, like

> that she (my friend, his wife) had to get rid of all her framed

> posters since they weren't religious.

>

> My friend said that it took her a while to recognize how God was

> speaking to her, or the things she saw, and it sounded to me,

quite

> honestly, like they were taking little things that happen to most

> people and imparting a lot of importance to them.

>

> Like, for me, if I'm walking in bright sunlight, my eyes might

play

> tricks on me and I think I see something moving, but when I look,

> there's nothing there. Well to me, it's like, wow, that stupid

sun

> is playing tricks on me. But to them, depending on how they feel,

> they either just saw an angel or a demon. Or like, at night

> sometimes I get scared and think I see a person out of the corner

of

> my eye, only when I look it's just a tree moving in the wind, to

> them, again it's a demon or an angel.

>

> When they say that they heard God speaking to them, it was pretty

> mundane stuff normally. For me sometimes I'm at work

concentrating

> and a thought will pop into my head out of nowhere, like " I wonder

> if Aunt Gloria is ok? " So to them, that's God speaking clearly

that

> they need to check on Aunt Gloria. For my friend it was even

stuff

> like she suddenly though " I should make tuna casserole tonight "

and

> she thought God was telling her what to cook.

>

> Then they all got together in these meetings to discuss what

they'd

> seen and heard and all encouraged each other, to where every

little

> thing was hugely important. You don't accidentally step on a

nail,

> God put the nail there to stop you from going that way or doing

> something. You don't have a weird fear for no reason--God is

> telling you something important.

>

> I imagine that for someone with BPD this kind of thing is very,

very

> appealing because someone with BPD might have a lot of thoughts

that

> don't make much sense and thinking that they all come from God

> validates them. Eeeek is all I can say.

>

April 19, 2006

>

>..... I din't name the baby either name, I

> picked an all together new name. She was so angry she tried to kill

> my baby. Her reason was that I didn't listen to God and pass God the

> septor what ever that means?

>

>Lizzy,

Am I reading and understanding this correctly? Are you stating that

your mother tried to kill your baby? If this is the case, has she

been arrested? What kind of action has been taken? I hope I am

misinterpreting, because this is possibly the scariest thing I have

read on this board.

Sylvia

April 19, 2006

>

> Am I reading and understanding this correctly? Are you stating that

> your mother tried to kill your baby? If this is the case, has she

> been arrested? What kind of action has been taken? I hope I am

> misinterpreting, because this is possibly the scariest thing I have

> read on this board.

>

> Sylvia

>

Yes, I somehow didn't catch that!! If so she definitely qualifies for

the danger to herself or others that is the legal definition of insane

and means she could be locked up.

Though I have heard people say that a BPD did something that could

have resulted in the death of a child or significant other, and that

in those cases it was more difficult to prove. Like the BPD would

claim it was just an accident or they didn't know, but for example,

they've been repeatedly warned not to put the baby on the counter and

walk away, or they know their husband is allergic to shellfish and

they serve it anyway, but always claim it was just being forgetful.

April 19, 2006

Lizzy,

I'm so sorry to hear your struggles with your mom's condition.

IMO, your mom sounds Schizophrenic. Check out this link:

http://www.mentalhealth.com/book/p40-sc01.html#Head_4

Hugs and prayers,

MJ

> >

> > I am not sure what it has to do with anything, but I've

> encountered

> > people who go to meetings like that, where everyone claims God

or

> > Jesus talks directly to them. A friend of mine started going

> > because her new husband got into it.

> >

> > Anyway, I questioned her back and forth about it, because it

> seemed

> > like God was telling her to do pretty mundane things, like what

to

> > make for dinner, but God told her husband outrageous things,

like

> > that she (my friend, his wife) had to get rid of all her framed

> > posters since they weren't religious.

> >

> > My friend said that it took her a while to recognize how God was

> > speaking to her, or the things she saw, and it sounded to me,

> quite

> > honestly, like they were taking little things that happen to

most

> > people and imparting a lot of importance to them.

> >

> > Like, for me, if I'm walking in bright sunlight, my eyes might

> play

> > tricks on me and I think I see something moving, but when I

look,

> > there's nothing there. Well to me, it's like, wow, that stupid

> sun

> > is playing tricks on me. But to them, depending on how they

feel,

> > they either just saw an angel or a demon. Or like, at night

> > sometimes I get scared and think I see a person out of the

corner

> of

> > my eye, only when I look it's just a tree moving in the wind, to

> > them, again it's a demon or an angel.

> >

> > When they say that they heard God speaking to them, it was

pretty

> > mundane stuff normally. For me sometimes I'm at work

> concentrating

> > and a thought will pop into my head out of nowhere, like " I

wonder

> > if Aunt Gloria is ok? " So to them, that's God speaking clearly

> that

> > they need to check on Aunt Gloria. For my friend it was even

> stuff

> > like she suddenly though " I should make tuna casserole tonight "

> and

> > she thought God was telling her what to cook.

> >

> > Then they all got together in these meetings to discuss what

> they'd

> > seen and heard and all encouraged each other, to where every

> little

> > thing was hugely important. You don't accidentally step on a

> nail,

> > God put the nail there to stop you from going that way or doing

> > something. You don't have a weird fear for no reason--God is

> > telling you something important.

> >

> > I imagine that for someone with BPD this kind of thing is very,

> very

> > appealing because someone with BPD might have a lot of thoughts

> that

> > don't make much sense and thinking that they all come from God

> > validates them. Eeeek is all I can say.

> >

>

April 19, 2006

Lizzy,

Here is another link on Schizophrenia...

http://www.schizophrenia.com/diag.php#common

I would print it and show it to your dad and family members. Is it

possible she could have this disorder?

My thoughts, 2 cents.

Hugs and prayers,

>

> My mom hears voices that tell her to do things, or tell her that

> somebody else should do something. She claims to audiably hear God

and

> sees things like angels and devils. Trust me when I say this is

not

> God speaking, she is no Moses lol. She often gets visions and goes

to

> secret mettings with other women who also hear voices and see

visions.

> The meetings take place about once a month maybe less and always

late

> at night. She said it was a bible study but I knew it was a lie

> because she always forced me along to every bible study and she

never

> asked me to go to this plus it was so late and she never took a

bible

> or any book with for that matter. I don't know if she still does

that

> it has been 4 years but I know she still hears voices. I am

rambeling

> now but this really bothers me. Is it typical for bpd to hear

voices

> or or have hallucinations? Because I think my mom suffers both.

>

April 19, 2006

You understood right. But in her eyes she didn't do it like that and

in my dads eyes she was just fighting but he didn't see because he

wasn't there for more than a min and my mom can't remember what she

says much less what she does. What happened was my mom was angry,

very angry after my baby was born and she didn't love my baby. I

begged her to hold the baby or even acknoledge the baby she wouldn't

she wanted nothing to do with my new baby. She went to the doctor

three days after my baby was born to get these " injections " that she

gets from an injury. The side effect is that she literally becomes

phycotic. She got home from the doctor and came to me rantting and

raving calling my new baby racist names because he is only half

white.And other name I would never repeat. I was at this point

crying hystaical. Then she tried to ripe him from me to injure him.

My husband came in the house saw what was happening. He tried to

help me but my mom threw me like a rag doll and started to beat on

my husband. She was trying so hard to get to the basenet where the

baby was laying and throw my baby to the floor to crush him. If you

have ever seen the Eminem music vidio cleaning out my closet that

was pretty much it. We were able to keep her off long enough for my

dishrag dad to walk in the house and he to saw what she was doing.

but he says she was only after my husband. He didn't see the part

before that. My dad at that point picked up my mom by the arms and

carried/threw her out. I left and never spoke to her again. My child

was safe. I was bleeding because I had a c-suction and she threw me

but I was so affraid to go to the hospital because I thought they

would arrest her. Now the biggest regret of my life is that I did

nothing that night but leave. If I would have reported her she would

have gone to jail. they could have seen the scratches and bruises on

my husband and myself from trying to defend our 3 day old baby. Also

the nurse who was taking care of me at the hospital saw my mom and

heard her tell me she would smash my husband and baby with a golf

club and kill them so she gave me abuse information if I needed it.

It turns out I did need it. I tried to contact her the next day but

I was unable. But I do however have it on record with the nurses

paperwork so if it came down to it I have it. This is why I was so

affraid that my mom doesn't get partial custady of my kids. She has

said before she would kill us and I know she wants to. This is just

one time there are others. One of her favorite lines is " I could

have you killed " .

Now I know if she ever does something like that again I would report

it. But you know how battered women are when they are abused by the

men they are affraid to tell. That is how I used to feel but not any

more. Now I feel like I have a voice and I want to use it, I want to

help others. I know I am still learning. But I am stronger now than

I ever was. Next time she won't get off easy.

> >

> >..... I din't name the baby either name, I

> > picked an all together new name. She was so angry she tried to

kill

> > my baby. Her reason was that I didn't listen to God and pass God

the

> > septor what ever that means?

> >

> >Lizzy,

>

> Am I reading and understanding this correctly? Are you stating

that

> your mother tried to kill your baby? If this is the case, has she

> been arrested? What kind of action has been taken? I hope I am

> misinterpreting, because this is possibly the scariest thing I

have

> read on this board.

>

> Sylvia

>

April 19, 2006

Oh Lizzy, I'm so sorry. What a terrifying violent episode. I'm so

glad you and your baby and husband are all safe!!

April 19, 2006

Lizzy,

Your story is terrifying...sounds like your nada needs serious phychiatric

help.

So glad to hear you have NC with her. She sounds very dangerous.

Are you in therapy?

Hugs and prayers,

MJ :-)

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