Re: Birth Control Pills/Progestin

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Just a thought on long term BCP use. I have often wondered that using the BCP for a period of time does something to the way your E and P receptors should normally work. Maybe it is the progestin in the pill that with long term use messes w/the normal pathways that the hormones should actually take. I saw this w/myself and daughter. When you first start the pill your hair looks better, but then a few years later it keeps getting thinner and than when you go off it falls out like crazy. Maybe it is due to low E and the Progestin just blocking whatever little E you continue to make. I remember after each pregnancy the huge amount of hair loss. I did really well at the high E levels of pregnancy (especially the beginning). I see a Dr. in Penn and he said some women are just high E types and that is how they feel best.Karin

Karin, good observation, I lived on the BCP.....when off them,I looked like I was having miscarriages, and so painful too. So from 16-43, when I had my hyster. I was on the BCP, only took maybe 3 short breaks!!!!!! I am a high E user, don't do well with blood levels under 300........sounds high, but feel bad on lower E. I was on double E when I did the WP, and added the mini E peak to survive the P, but even then the P built up to consume all my E!! I have been working with my thyroid, Nature Throid, I am seeing some improvements, so maybe I'll be diferent when my thyroid is balanced, who knows???? Thanks for your sharing, ))

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all i want now is to get back to normal...just not sure how....today is my 8 weeks off the pill...i have significant hair regrowth, but still losing more than i'd like...hair is looking thin and stringy, but less scalpy i guess..my mood is up and down like a rollercoster...i am getting very tired of it, and i can't help earning for normalcy..i am only 31!!! I feel 60!

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, have you cked your thyroid....freeT3, freeT4, TSH...antibodies??? How about your E levels??? I have just now been addressing my thyroid and does make a difference......HUGS,

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i've read in Diane Schwartzbein i think, that synthetic progestins can't bind to progesterone receptors very well, so instead they create THEIR OWN receptors in our body...Scary! thanx and i agree that BCPs are evil...i was on the same BCP, ortho-tri-cyclen for 10 yrs...looking back at the pictures, my hair started thinning about 2-3 yrs ago...i was ignorant at the time... all i want now is to get back to normal...just not sure how....today is my 8 weeks off the pill...i have significant hair regrowth, but still losing more than i'd like...hair is looking thin and stringy, but less scalpy i guess..my mood is up and down like a rollercoster...i am getting very tired of it, and i can't help earning for normalcy..i am only 31!!! I feel 60! -bigbird3099 wrote: Just a thought on long term BCP use. I have often wondered that using the BCP for a period of time does something to the way your E and P receptors should normally work. Maybe it is the progestin in the pill that with long term use messes w/the normal pathways that the hormones should actually take. I saw this w/myself and daughter. When you first start the pill your hair looks better, but then a few years later it keeps getting thinner and than when you go off it falls out like crazy. Maybe it is due to low E and the Progestin just blocking whatever little E you continue to make. I remember after each pregnancy the huge amount of hair loss. I did really well at the high E levels of pregnancy (especially the beginning). I see a Dr. in Penn and he said some women are just high E types and that is how they feel best.Karin

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, TSH is 1.40 T3 is 30.5...everything is looking good..my live anzymes came back way higher than norm, but i suspect that's because i took 50mg of P 1 hr before the test. My iron is too high * i was animic in june so i was supplementing heavily *...that was on day 10 of high P supplementation, my P came back at 6.6, my total T at 66 *high!*, my E at 189, and my free T at 0.5 0.1-2.1 range. That's on 2 0.1mg vivelle dot patches, and 4 days of 150mg of oral P which followed my accidental P overdose on days 2-6. I am not ovulating as my FSH is 0.7 and LH is 0.2... still trying to make sense of it all. thanx for all the input -J.Nuimom@... wrote: all i want now is to get back to normal...just not sure how....today is my 8 weeks off the pill...i have significant hair regrowth, but still losing more than i'd like...hair is looking thin and stringy, but less scalpy i guess..my mood is up and down like a rollercoster...i am getting very tired of it, and i can't help earning for normalcy..i am only 31!!! I feel 60! - , have you cked your thyroid....freeT3, freeT4, TSH...antibodies??? How about your E levels??? I have just now been addressing my thyroid and does make a difference......HUGS, click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/**The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice.**

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Oral P creates more insulin resistance than vaginal P. Have you had your thyroid

antibodies

checked? I have tried both Avandamet and Avandia and got really sick on the the

Avandamet with really low blood sugar levels. I don't feel it is great to take

them unless

you are really insulin resistant. I have non classic (no insulin resistance)

PCOS. I think that

taking oral P and the spiro are working against each other.

Karin

> In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:06:54 AM Pacific Standard Time,

krapivka@...

writes:

> all i want now is to get back to normal...just not sure how....today is my

8 weeks off

the pill...i have significant hair regrowth, but still losing more than i'd

like...hair is looking

thin and stringy, but less scalpy i guess..my mood is up and down like a

rollercoster...i am

getting very tired of it, and i can't help earning for normalcy..i am only 31!!!

I feel 60!

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> , have you cked your thyroid....freeT3, freeT4, TSH...antibodies???

How about

your E levels??? I have just now been addressing my thyroid and does make a

difference......HUGS,

>

>

> click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

>

> **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as

medical

advice.**

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>

>

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Karin: You are the first post I have read since I began to suspect

oral P of evil things that highlights one of them- IR increase. Thanks

for this! Eileen

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> Oral P creates more insulin resistance than vaginal P. Have you had

> your thyroid antibodies

> checked? I have tried both Avandamet and Avandia and got really sick

> on the the

> Avandamet with really low blood sugar levels. I don't feel it is

> great to take them unless

> you are really insulin resistant. I have non classic (no insulin

> resistance) PCOS. I think that

> taking oral P and the spiro are working against each other.

> Karin

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> >         In a message dated 2/16/2006 8:06:54 AM Pacific Standard

> Time, krapivka@...

> writes:

> >     all i want now is to get back to normal...just not sure

> how....today is my 8 weeks off

> the pill...i have significant hair regrowth, but still losing more

> than i'd like...hair is looking

> thin and stringy, but less scalpy i guess..my mood is up and down

> like a rollercoster...i am

> getting very tired of it, and i can't help earning for normalcy..i am

> only 31!!!  I feel 60!

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> >     , have you cked your thyroid....freeT3, freeT4,

> TSH...antibodies??? How about

> your E levels??? I have just now been addressing my thyroid and does

> make a

> difference......HUGS,

> >

> >

> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

> intended as medical

> advice.**

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Since my original complain was about hairloss...and thyroid is responsible for a lot of cases..one of the first things i did, i saw an endo specializing in thyroid..he's tested one heck our of my thyroid..not only sent my blood to the lab, but left some for himself and ran some additional tests on his own..the colclusion was that my thyroid is/was perfect...but i'll keep an eye on it...since my body is going through hormonal turmoil, who knows...Sam wrote: T4 is merely a storage hormone - it doesn't tell you how your body is using it. The Free T4 would have been a far better test to run. I'm not giving you a hard time, really. <grin> Lots of regular drs only test the TSH and T4 and are happy with those if

they fall within a broad range, but they don't tell the whole story and most times patients are left with untreated thyroid issues who later develop interesting things like diabetes, CFS, fibromyalgia, etc etc etc... And endos? Diabetes drs and endocriminologists (hear that via a thyroid group). Sam (thyroid-less and Armour-ized) k9gang@... www.stopthethyroidmadness.com Re: Re: Birth Control Pills/Progestin my T4 and thyroid antibodies are also all normal..

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My hair loss stopped when I first got my thyroid thingy addressed properly and then added bio-identical hormone

replacement. In other words, I gave my body what it actually needed and it responded positively.

Sam (thyroid-less and Armour-ized) k9gang@...

Sam, do you think that some women can have hair loss from excess Test. and the conversion of Progeesterone down the wrong path, to DHT??? I agree the thyroid needs to be addressed, do you think she should have her other hormone levels cked to see if she has an androgen issue as well???

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An endo? Well, there's your problem right there, you went to an endo. <evil grin>

1000% of my experiences with endos has been less than positive (deadly, actually).

Hair loss could be from low E or low thyroid. You're thyroid is "perfect" so sez Endo, but I didn't see where

they were. You're "within normal range" but that doesn't necessarily mean anything positive. Your Free T3

and Free T4 should be near the top or above the high-normal range and your TSH should be almost zero.

That's the bottom line. And before you can address any other hormonal imbalance, the thyroid thingy should

be addressed (with real thyroid meds, not synthetics). It shouldn't be the other way around. That's my opinion, anyway.

My hair loss stopped when I first got my thyroid thingy addressed properly and then added bio-identical hormone

replacement. In other words, I gave my body what it actually needed and it responded positively.

Sam (thyroid-less and Armour-ized) k9gang@... www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Re: Re: Birth Control Pills/Progestin

my T4 and thyroid antibodies are also all normal..

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>Sam, do you think that some women can have hair loss

>from excess Test. and the conversion of Progeesterone

>down the wrong path, to DHT???

From what I read, and that was limited, excess testosterone

" can " (but not written in stone) cause male pattern baldness.

In women. Wow. I don't have that.

For me, excess testosterone causes me to get little chin hairs.

How weird is that. Well, and one or 2 zits.

>I agree the thyroid needs to be addressed, do you think she

>should have her other hormone levels cked to see if she has

>an androgen issue as well???

Yes to checking other hormones to look for whatever issue that

may be there.

Sam

(thyroid-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

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However, if it needs thyroid hormones the TSH will beover zero...the greater the need, the higher the number.Sam

Except for me, with my freeeky type 2 hypo, pit. my

TSH was 0.020, and my

FT32 400 ( 250-420),

FT4 1.5 (0.8-1.4)......and was hyper...temp 99.4.....to 99-6.

That was on just 100mcgs Levoxyl for 6 weeks.

I took 3 weeks off and it went up to a

TSH 0.731, BUT frees dropped,

FT3 250 (250-420),

FT4 0.83 (0.8-1.4).....so that alone may be what shocked my adrenals, My frees dropped by half...this is why I'm going at a slugs pace, with the Nature Throid, it has T3 too .

Looking at that does it look like I may max out at less than 4gns. LOL ?????

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Hi all...i have ALL of my hormones checked..and i know that when hairloss started i definitely didn't have adrogen issues, cuz i was on a pill, my SHBG was above 150, and there was very little of free T...now, since going off the pill...my total T went considerably up...from 39 to 66 and i am taking 50mg of spiro..i was just diagnosed with PCOS, although doc said i have less than average cysts...in the last test my SHBG was 106, so free T was 0.5, which is perfect..however if my SHBG goes any lower then free T will increase above the 'good' range. So i am watching out for this...but since that wasn't the case on a pill, i am positive that my loss wasn't caused by androgen issues, but rather by not enough estrogen...more so, since ever i got off the pill and started using transdermal E my hair has grown in a LOT! Thyroid wise, through all of my readings *Vliet, Redmond* everybody indicated 1-2 as a desirable range for thyroid..i've never heard of TSH at 0?! I

know my girlfriend, her TSH was 0.3...and she's been diagnosed with the severe case of thyroid condition... -J.Nuimom@... wrote: My hair loss stopped when I first got my thyroid thingy addressed properly and then added bio-identical hormone replacement. In other words, I gave my body what it actually needed and it responded positively. Sam (thyroid-less and Armour-ized) k9gang@... Sam, do you think that some women can have hair loss from excess Test. and the conversion of Progeesterone down the wrong path, to DHT??? I agree the thyroid needs to be addressed, do you think she should have her other hormone levels cked to see if she has an androgen issue as well???

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My TSH is " 0 " and I feel fabulous. I have no thyroid gland and am on the

correct type of and amount of thyroid replacement hormones.

TSH is Thyroid Stimulating Hormone and is what causes the thryoid to create

more thyroid hormones when there is a need for more in the body. Obviously

if the body has the correct amount of thyroid hormones it needs, the TSH

will be low, or zero. However, if it needs thyroid hormones the TSH will be

over zero...the greater the need, the higher the number.

Sam

(thyroid-less,ovary-less and Armour-ized)

k9gang@...

www.stopthethyroidmadness.com

Re: Re: Birth Control Pills/Progestin

Hi all...i have ALL of my hormones checked..and i know that when hairloss

started i definitely didn't have adrogen issues, cuz i was on a pill, my

SHBG was above 150, and there was very little of free T...now, since going

off the pill...my total T went considerably up...from 39 to 66 and i am

taking 50mg of spiro..i was just diagnosed with PCOS, although doc said i

have less than average cysts...in the last test my SHBG was 106, so free T

was 0.5, which is perfect..however if my SHBG goes any lower then free T

will increase above the 'good' range. So i am watching out for this...but

since that wasn't the case on a pill, i am positive that my loss wasn't

caused by androgen issues, but rather by not enough estrogen...more so,

since ever i got off the pill and started using transdermal E my hair has

grown in a LOT! Thyroid wise, through all of my readings *Vliet, Redmond*

everybody indicated 1-2 as a desirable range for thyroid..i've never heard

of TSH at 0?! & nb sp; I know my girlfriend, her TSH was 0.3...and she's been

diagnosed with the severe case of thyroid condition...

-J.