Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 The recommended progesterone dose is 200 mg orally or 45 - 50 mg vaginally for 10 - 12 days a month. I do fine on 50 mg vaginally but 100 mg (Prometrium) vaginally gives me terrible P overdose symptoms. 200 mg vaginally twice a day seems like a HUGE dose. Val -----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of what's the absorption of prometrium taken vaginally vs. orally? is it more like with transdermal P or less like with crinone? what would be a good dose for someone like me, young, with uterus on 0.2mg of transdermal E? What scares me the most is that P lowers the immune system and that it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the hair progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 WOW! Do i feel betrayed?! and even more so since there're so many posts saying that excess P converts into T..OMG, i was overdoing P and didn't even know...no wonder i felt soo terrible...thank you so much, i'll try to stick with 200mg orally...although i still feel kinda 'too much P' on it... > > The recommended progesterone dose is 200 mg orally or 45 - 50 mg vaginally > for 10 - 12 days a month. I do fine on 50 mg vaginally but 100 mg > (Prometrium) vaginally gives me terrible P overdose symptoms. 200 mg > vaginally twice a day seems like a HUGE dose. > Val > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhythmicliving > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of > > > what's the absorption of prometrium taken vaginally vs. orally? is > it more like with transdermal P or less like with crinone? what > would be a good dose for someone like me, young, with uterus on > 0.2mg of transdermal E? > > What scares me the most is that P lowers the immune system and that > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > hair progress. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 WOW! Do i feel betrayed?! and even more so since there're so many posts saying that excess P converts into T..OMG, i was overdoing P and didn't even know...no wonder i felt soo terrible...thank you so much, i'll try to stick with 200mg orally...although i still feel kinda 'too much P' on it... > > The recommended progesterone dose is 200 mg orally or 45 - 50 mg vaginally > for 10 - 12 days a month. I do fine on 50 mg vaginally but 100 mg > (Prometrium) vaginally gives me terrible P overdose symptoms. 200 mg > vaginally twice a day seems like a HUGE dose. > Val > > -----Original Message----- > From: rhythmicliving > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of > > > what's the absorption of prometrium taken vaginally vs. orally? is > it more like with transdermal P or less like with crinone? what > would be a good dose for someone like me, young, with uterus on > 0.2mg of transdermal E? > > What scares me the most is that P lowers the immune system and that > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > hair progress. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hi , Oh my do I understand the hair loss crisis and I feel your pain!!!! I started losing my hair about a yr. ago and have lost 50% of it and along my " part " I have lost 80%!! I am now losing some eyelashes and brows. Talk about depression...You get depressed from the hormonal imbalances, the lack of concern from the Md.s, and then the physical changes come to add insult to injury. I have seen an abundance of doctors, had oodles of blood tests done, and I do have a great GYN who uses BHRT to treat with. She discovered that I basically had no E, some P, some free T. Last week I saw and Endocrinologist who said I do not need any P since I have my periods still ongoing and that I am senstitive to the P " progression " or conversions (P turns to T which turns to DHT and I am actually sensitive to the DHT...) I have received more info off of this list than from any doctor! In fact, Carroll, from this list recommended that I get Dr. Redmond's books-which I did, and have I really been educated (thanks,Carroll!) The books contain a wealth of hair loss info and how to treat it. Dr.Redmond is an Endocrinologist and treats women's hormal issues seriously and aggressively. You may want to jump over to Amazon.com and grab some used books of his as I did. Next week I start on E from WIP and I did use the WP but became VERY allergic to it. I never (thank God) got to the P stage which probably would have caused me to lose what it left of my hair. The plan is to really up my E to correct the list of E loss symptoms and extra E for the hair problem. I think it is my last hope.... Keep on asking questions and searching because the Dr.s won't do it for you. You will find that you will have to take much info to them!!! All the best to you in your journey and may it be shorter than mine! Lana > > Hi ladies, > > this is my first post here, and first i'd like to tell you how great > it is to be talking to women that really know their stuff..what a > wealth of info! regrowing! i am still only 8 weeks into > the program, but i finally feel like i see a light at the end of the > dark tunnel...> What scares me the most is that P lowers the immune system and that > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > hair progress. > > TIA, > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Hi Lana! i know i've read ALL of your posts till 1am last night I think it would be helpful if you and i compare notes?! cuz i think i have some info you might like..and you definitely have some that i like plus an understanding doc??!!! Anyways, here's the list of the books i've read: Redmond Reiss *natural hormone balancing for women* Vliet *both books* Diane Schwartzbein *Schwartzbein's principles I and II* Schwartz here's what i've learned: 1) hair likes high levels of E...higher than you need for any other symptoms 2) hair likes constant levels of E without abrupt falls i am using vivelle dot patches...2 of them to sustain high and continuous levels of E... My hair is doing a LOT better than it did on a pill...i think it stopped growing altogether, and i can totally relate to 50% loss...*to top it all i am getting married in 2.5 months, so i am pretty desperate* Now what i don't understand is the whole P conversion to T and if my hair is sensitive to P/T?! i can tell you that before BCP, my body probably produced high levels of both T and E...on a pill, since it raises SHBG i had very low free T, less than 0.6..that's when my hairloss started. At the time i was also training for the marathon, so i am sure a lot of non-existent T and E was being used...then i added 50mg of Aldactone hoping to lessen the free T *cuz even Redmond blames it for hairloss*...the amount of hair i was losing lessened, but even less hair was regrowing....i was balding and fast, marking December as my worst month..that's when i gave up on BCP and moved on to vivelle patch, yesterday was week 7 for me off the pill. Which brings me to a thought, could it be the lack of T due to high SHBG causing my hairloss? here's what i've noticed during my last 10 days on high doses of P *i had no idea that vaginal absorption was better than oral...can't believe my doc recommended 400mg vaginally*..I had more acne, itchy and oily scalp...but i am noticing actually more regrowth than before P?! what gives?? Sorry to ask soo many questions, but just as you i've been through tons of docs, read soo much...and i am still wondering in the dark?! should i continue with Spiro? quit it? is P a bad guy? is P a good guy? is my estrogen enough? can i start ovulating on this schedule *i do plan to get preggers soon after the wedding* Please, please share any thoughts you have?! cuz obviously i can't trust my new doc either...sometimes i feel i am totally on my own...and i have '0' medical background!! Again, thank you for all the posts..i read them with a great interest! -J.Lana wrote: Hi ,Oh my do I understand the hair loss crisis and I feel your pain!!!! I started losing my hair about a yr. ago and have lost 50% of it and along my "part" I have lost 80%!! I am now losing some eyelashes and brows. Talk about depression...You get depressed from the hormonal imbalances, the lack of concern from the Md.s, and then the physical changes come to add insult to injury.I have seen an abundance of doctors, had oodles of blood tests done, and I do have a great GYN who uses BHRT to treat with. She discovered that I basically had no E, some P, some free T.Last week I saw and Endocrinologist who said I do not need any P since I have my periods still ongoing and that I am senstitive to the P "progression" or conversions (P turns to T which turns to DHT and I am actually sensitive to the DHT...) I have received more info off of this list than from any doctor! In fact, Carroll, from this list recommended that I get Dr. Redmond's books-which I did, and have I really been educated (thanks,Carroll!) The books contain a wealth of hair loss info and how to treat it. Dr.Redmond is an Endocrinologist and treats women's hormal issues seriously and aggressively. You may want to jump over to Amazon.com and grab some used books of his as I did.Next week I start on E from WIP and I did use the WP but became VERY allergic to it. I never (thank God) got to the P stage which probably would have caused me to lose what it left of my hair. The plan is to really up my E to correct the list of E loss symptoms and extra E for the hair problem. I think it is my last hope.... Keep on asking questions and searching because the Dr.s won't do it for you. You will find that you will have to take much info to them!!! All the best to you in your journey and may it be shorter than mine! Lana>> Hi ladies,> > this is my first post here, and first i'd like to tell you how great > it is to be talking to women that really know their stuff..what a > wealth of info! regrowing! i am still only 8 weeks into > the program, but i finally feel like i see a light at the end of the > dark tunnel...> What scares me the most is that P lowers the immune system and that > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > hair progress.> > TIA,> -> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, more on new and used cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 , Where to start, girlfriend!!! First of all, my free T= 0.6, my DHEA= 80, P= 5.1, E=5 and the rest is blurry on my copy of test results. Every Dr. that I have seen blames DHT which is a by product of P. No one has offered a cure or atttempted a fix for this one. My Gyn, who is very enlightened on hormonal issues and only takes hormone patients, feels that the extreme lack of E is partly to blame along with crappy genetics. I am 46 yrs. old (don't know your age) and in perimenopause big time. I have learned that the androgens cause the scalp to respond via sebum making oily and the itchy/burning is from the DHT/Andgrogen sensitivity that the follicles decided to go through. Some follicles will produce some really thick hairs in response to the P and others that are sensitive will make fine almost invisible hairs to none at all. Then there is an issue of hair staying in the resting stage forever. I think that the E is supposed to wake that up-not sure, though. Around 5 days before my period, my hair shedding increases along w/burning and itching in scalp. This ends anywhere from 3-5 days after period has started. Dr.s say " it's the naturally increased P! " I would never advise anyone on how to treat themselves, hey I am just learning, BUT, I did just read that any form and I stress ANY-be it natural or Rx- of androgen blocker is NOT to be used during pregnancy!!! You need all forms of hormones for that!! I have read that the testosterone from P makes the or stimulates the follicles to grow hair. But, large doses of it can make the acne and oily, itchy scalp and hair loss. Women on the WP found that this was the case with the large doses of P (so I have read)among other awful symptoms-go back and read some old posts from the conception of this site. I do know that you need a Dr. who specializes in hormones, who is pro- active, and sympathetic..mine, a women is! I went to an Endocrinologist and he was a big waste of time and money! Again, I can't tell you how to treat yourself, but I know that our individual bodies will respond to a dose differently. I am sorry that I am not much help because I simply don't know a whole lot as I am just geting on board with BHRT, and I never took the pill. I wish I did have the answer for me and ALL of womenkind. Someday, I think out of the mist, a women will rise as super researcher and find the answer...I cling to the word " hope " as they can't take that away from me! I send a cyberhug your way because I have shed more tears than hair (and that is a lot). I used to have the best hair and great hair days- now it is scalp on the top of my head. This whole delimma has aged me and I don't reconize the woman in the mirror anymore. I have a difficult time going into public where I was once an outgoing woman. I am learning to cope, but I have my moments!!! I really hope that you can find the help that you need and again, I am so very sorry that I am no help-I just don't have the answers, but if I get some-I will post them here and share!! All my best, Lana > > > > Hi ladies, > > > > this is my first post here, and first i'd like to tell you how > great > > it is to be talking to women that really know their stuff..what a > > wealth of info! regrowing! i am still only 8 weeks into > > the program, but i finally feel like i see a light at the end of > the > > dark tunnel...> What scares me the most is that P lowers the immune > system and that > > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > > hair progress. > > > > TIA, > > - > > > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice.** > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2006 Report Share Posted February 10, 2006 Lana, i very much know how you feel..i know the sinking feeling and the fear of having to touch, comb or wash the hair...but i believe BHRT is an answer...i see an increadible different just in 7 weeks since i've started this...if i just could get my doses right?!!!! i am so afraid that those 4 days of very high P will kill all the new regrowth i have...i hate it! i hate the lack of info! i hate doctors who don't think twice...*sigh*...but girl, please don't lose hope...Estrogen at high continuous doses should be our solution... Good luck!Lana wrote: ,Where to start, girlfriend!!! First of all, my free T= 0.6, my DHEA= 80, P= 5.1, E=5 and the rest is blurry on my copy of test results.Every Dr. that I have seen blames DHT which is a by product of P. No one has offered a cure or atttempted a fix for this one. My Gyn, who is very enlightened on hormonal issues and only takes hormone patients, feels that the extreme lack of E is partly to blame along with crappy genetics.I am 46 yrs. old (don't know your age) and in perimenopause big time. I have learned that the androgens cause the scalp to respond via sebum making oily and the itchy/burning is from the DHT/Andgrogen sensitivity that the follicles decided to go through. Some follicles will produce some really thick hairs in response to the P and others that are sensitive will make fine almost invisible hairs to none at all. Then there is an issue of hair staying in the resting stage forever. I think that the E is supposed to wake that up-not sure, though.Around 5 days before my period, my hair shedding increases along w/burning and itching in scalp. This ends anywhere from 3-5 days after period has started. Dr.s say "it's the naturally increased P!" I would never advise anyone on how to treat themselves, hey I am just learning, BUT, I did just read that any form and I stress ANY-be it natural or Rx- of androgen blocker is NOT to be used during pregnancy!!! You need all forms of hormones for that!!I have read that the testosterone from P makes the or stimulates the follicles to grow hair. But, large doses of it can make the acne and oily, itchy scalp and hair loss. Women on the WP found that this was the case with the large doses of P (so I have read)among other awful symptoms-go back and read some old posts from the conception of this site.I do know that you need a Dr. who specializes in hormones, who is pro-active, and sympathetic..mine, a women is! I went to an Endocrinologist and he was a big waste of time and money! Again, I can't tell you how to treat yourself, but I know that our individual bodies will respond to a dose differently. I am sorry that I am not much help because I simply don't know a whole lot as I am just geting on board with BHRT, and I never took the pill. I wish I did have the answer for me and ALL of womenkind. Someday, I think out of the mist, a women will rise as super researcher and find the answer...I cling to the word "hope" as they can't take that away from me!I send a cyberhug your way because I have shed more tears than hair (and that is a lot). I used to have the best hair and great hair days-now it is scalp on the top of my head. This whole delimma has aged me and I don't reconize the woman in the mirror anymore. I have a difficult time going into public where I was once an outgoing woman. I am learning to cope, but I have my moments!!! I really hope that you can find the help that you need and again, I am so very sorry that I am no help-I just don't have the answers, but if I get some-I will post them here and share!!All my best,Lana > >> > Hi ladies,> > > > this is my first post here, and first i'd like to tell you how > great > > it is to be talking to women that really know their stuff..what a > > wealth of info! regrowing! i am still only 8 weeks into > > the program, but i finally feel like i see a light at the end of > the > > dark tunnel...> What scares me the most is that P lowers the immune > system and that > > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > > hair progress.> > > > TIA,> > -> >> > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice.** > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 i am on 2 0.1mg patches of vivelle dot...each patch should raise the E serum blood level by 104 pg/ml on average...so i've figured 2 patches should give me 208...i am trying to stay in 200-300 range... it seems the patches only get me up to 70 per patch. 2='s 140 ish......had to add OOE to the mix, so just ended up with the OOE, was easier...........but maybe you'll get more E per patch, hope so ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 thank you , i'll know soon...i did all the blood work last week..waiting for the results..i am also using estrogel on/off as needed... OH good, as long as you're feeding your E need with extra )) keep us posted ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Hi , I would suggest reading Dr.Vliet's book Its my Ovaries Stupid. You are 31 and probably have functioning ovaries. Depending on how much E you take and absorb you may or may not need the P. I have my daughter 22 on a small amt of E (acne/PCOS) and the Dr is not requiring her to take P because she is not suppressing the ovaries with the small amount of E. She has had vaginal sonograms just after coming off the BCP and already had thinning of the uterous and low E blood levels. It seemed that her body did not kick in after going off the Pill. She has been taking small amt of E and does get her period every month. So far no uterine hyperplasia. Karin > > > > The recommended progesterone dose is 200 mg orally or 45 - 50 mg > vaginally > > for 10 - 12 days a month. I do fine on 50 mg vaginally but 100 mg > > (Prometrium) vaginally gives me terrible P overdose symptoms. 200 > mg > > vaginally twice a day seems like a HUGE dose. > > Val > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: rhythmicliving > > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of > > > > > > what's the absorption of prometrium taken vaginally vs. orally? > is > > it more like with transdermal P or less like with crinone? what > > would be a good dose for someone like me, young, with uterus on > > 0.2mg of transdermal E? > > > > What scares me the most is that P lowers the immune system and > that > > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > > hair progress. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Wow when reading your test results the ration of E to P is really off. The E should be much higher with that level of P. I am also 45 and have gone thru a similar situation (aldactone/ bcp/bhrt/thyroid). I just think that when your ratio of E to P is that low you might want to concentrate on getting the E in order and than taking it from there. I personally can not tolerate the P and will only use it if my vaginal sonogram comes back abnormal. The minute I touch the P I start w/acne, hair loss, slowed digestion and severe itching. I feel best w/higher amounts of E. I guess at 45 I finally figured out that is how I'm wired. I also have quite a lot of hair growth about an inch all over my head since stopping aldactone and the P. I almost think that maybe the P in the pill will eventually build up over time also. My 22 yr old daughter went off Yasmine and is doing much better on small amt of E only. Karin > > > > > > Hi ladies, > > > > > > this is my first post here, and first i'd like to tell you how > > great > > > it is to be talking to women that really know their stuff..what a > > > wealth of info! regrowing! i am still only 8 weeks into > > > the program, but i finally feel like i see a light at the end of > > the > > > dark tunnel...> What scares me the most is that P lowers the > immune > > system and that > > > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > > > hair progress. > > > > > > TIA, > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not > intended as medical advice.** > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Karin, thank you..that's exactly where i am at...off BCP and my ovaries haven't kicked in yet..i've been on a pill for 10 yrs...i've been off the pill for 2 months...how much E is your daughter taking? i am on 2 0.1mg patches of vivelle dot...each patch should raise the E serum blood level by 104 pg/ml on average...so i've figured 2 patches should give me 208...i am trying to stay in 200-300 range...bigbird3099 wrote: Hi ,I would suggest reading Dr.Vliet's book Its my Ovaries Stupid. You are 31 and probably have functioning ovaries. Depending on how much E you take and absorb you may or may not need the P. I have my daughter 22 on a small amt of E (acne/PCOS) and the Dr is not requiring her to take P because she is not suppressing the ovaries with the small amount of E. She has had vaginal sonograms just after coming off the BCP and already had thinning of the uterous and low E blood levels. It seemed that her body did not kick in after going off the Pill. She has been taking small amt of E and does get her period every month. So far no uterine hyperplasia.Karin> >> > The recommended progesterone dose is 200 mg orally or 45 - 50 mg > vaginally> > for 10 - 12 days a month. I do fine on 50 mg vaginally but 100 mg> > (Prometrium) vaginally gives me terrible P overdose symptoms. 200 > mg> > vaginally twice a day seems like a HUGE dose.> > Val> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: rhythmicliving > > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of > > > > > > what's the absorption of prometrium taken vaginally vs. orally? > is> > it more like with transdermal P or less like with crinone? what> > would be a good dose for someone like me, young, with uterus on> > 0.2mg of transdermal E?> > > > What scares me the most is that P lowers the immune system and > that> > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the> > hair progress.> >> #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Yes, the P in a pill builds up..my doc said that my chance of endometrical displasure is non-existent...bigbird3099 wrote: Wow when reading your test results the ration of E to P is really off. The E should be much higher with that level of P. I am also 45 and have gone thru a similar situation (aldactone/bcp/bhrt/thyroid). I just think that when your ratio of E to P is that low you might want to concentrate on getting the E in order and than taking it from there. I personally can not tolerate the P and will only use it if my vaginal sonogram comes back abnormal. The minute I touch the P I start w/acne, hair loss, slowed digestion and severe itching. I feel best w/higher amounts of E. I guess at 45 I finally figured out that is how I'm wired. I also have quite a lot of hair growth about an inch all over my head since stopping aldactone and the P. I almost think that maybe the P in the pill will eventually build up over time also.My 22 yr old daughter went off Yasmine and is doing much better on small amt of E only.Karin> > >> > > Hi ladies,> > > > > > this is my first post here, and first i'd like to tell you how > > great > > > it is to be talking to women that really know their stuff..what a > > > wealth of info! regrowing! i am still only 8 weeks into > > > the program, but i finally feel like i see a light at the end of > > the > > > dark tunnel...> What scares me the most is that P lowers the > immune > > system and that > > > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > > > hair progress.> > > > > > TIA,> > > -> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/> > > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not > intended as medical advice.** > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 she is on .25mg orally from Belmar labs which is supposed to act like a transdermal and bypass the liver. > > > > > > The recommended progesterone dose is 200 mg orally or 45 - 50 mg > > vaginally > > > for 10 - 12 days a month. I do fine on 50 mg vaginally but 100 mg > > > (Prometrium) vaginally gives me terrible P overdose symptoms. 200 > > mg > > > vaginally twice a day seems like a HUGE dose. > > > Val > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: rhythmicliving > > > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > what's the absorption of prometrium taken vaginally vs. orally? > > is > > > it more like with transdermal P or less like with crinone? what > > > would be a good dose for someone like me, young, with uterus on > > > 0.2mg of transdermal E? > > > > > > What scares me the most is that P lowers the immune system and > > that > > > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > > > hair progress. > > > > > > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical advice.** > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 what type of Dr. do you see? He sounds pretty knowledgeable about P buildup. Karin > > > > > > > > Hi ladies, > > > > > > > > this is my first post here, and first i'd like to tell you how > > > great > > > > it is to be talking to women that really know their stuff..what a > > > > wealth of info! regrowing! i am still only 8 weeks into > > > > the program, but i finally feel like i see a light at the end of > > > the > > > > dark tunnel...> What scares me the most is that P lowers the > > immune > > > system and that > > > > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > > > > hair progress. > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > > > > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not > > intended as medical advice.** > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 except he's the same kinda dr, who just put me on 400mg of vaginal P/day!!! if he knew it gets build up..then why??? of course he said i could do it once every 3 months or so..but i had to be a 'good girl' and opted for every month! silly me...he probably also didn't take into account how little E i have?! anyways he's a gyn specializing in fertility...he's going to give me an ultrasound of my ovaries next week to see if i am ovulating and to rule out ovarian cysts and PCOS...he's good..but i am just mad about 400mg of P...i almost died from too much P..ok, not died but got severely depressed...couldn't sleep for a week..and now my hair is shedding..and i cannot afford to lose any at this point...sucks!bigbird3099 wrote: what type of Dr. do you see? He sounds pretty knowledgeable about P buildup.Karin> > > >> > > > Hi ladies,> > > > > > > > this is my first post here, and first i'd like to tell you how > > > great > > > > it is to be talking to women that really know their stuff..what a > > > > wealth of info! regrowing! i am still only 8 weeks into > > > > the program, but i finally feel like i see a light at the end of > > > the > > > > dark tunnel...> What scares me the most is that P lowers the > > immune > > > system and that > > > > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > > > > hair progress.> > > > > > > > TIA,> > > > -> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/> > > > > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not > > intended as medical advice.** > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 thank you , i'll know soon...i did all the blood work last week..waiting for the results..i am also using estrogel on/off as needed...Nuimom@... wrote: i am on 2 0.1mg patches of vivelle dot...each patch should raise the E serum blood level by 104 pg/ml on average...so i've figured 2 patches should give me 208...i am trying to stay in 200-300 range... it seems the patches only get me up to 70 per patch. 2='s 140 ish......had to add OOE to the mix, so just ended up with the OOE, was easier...........but maybe you'll get more E per patch, hope so ) #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 I am not sure but she has to go back again for blood tests. > > > > > > > > The recommended progesterone dose is 200 mg orally or 45 - 50 mg > > > vaginally > > > > for 10 - 12 days a month. I do fine on 50 mg vaginally but 100 mg > > > > (Prometrium) vaginally gives me terrible P overdose symptoms. 200 > > > mg > > > > vaginally twice a day seems like a HUGE dose. > > > > Val > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: rhythmicliving > > > > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > what's the absorption of prometrium taken vaginally vs. orally? > > > is > > > > it more like with transdermal P or less like with crinone? what > > > > would be a good dose for someone like me, young, with uterus on > > > > 0.2mg of transdermal E? > > > > > > > > What scares me the most is that P lowers the immune system and > > > that > > > > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > > > > hair progress. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical > advice.** > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 For him to know that P builds up is pretty amazing. I guess he does what most Dr's do they tell you to take the P because it is standard of care in case you decide to sue him one day. If he will listen and work w/you and you read and educate yourself he might be a keeper. I always read that P stops the conversion of T to DHT. I would like to see some studies stating that it does the opposite. Karin > > > > > > > > > > Hi ladies, > > > > > > > > > > this is my first post here, and first i'd like to tell you how > > > > great > > > > > it is to be talking to women that really know their stuff..what a > > > > > wealth of info! regrowing! i am still only 8 weeks into > > > > > the program, but i finally feel like i see a light at the end of > > > > the > > > > > dark tunnel...> What scares me the most is that P lowers the > > > immune > > > > system and that > > > > > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the > > > > > hair progress. > > > > > > > > > > TIA, > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > > > > > > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not > > > intended as medical advice.** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 thank you, i definitely will...it's very confusing to try to figure it all out on my own...and i am trying to be conscious of my E needs...still hard at times..Nuimom@... wrote: thank you , i'll know soon...i did all the blood work last week..waiting for the results..i am also using estrogel on/off as needed... OH good, as long as you're feeding your E need with extra )) keep us posted ) #define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 could you please, please keep me posted??? as i've mentioned i am getting married in 2.5 months and then i'd like to start a family...that will be hard if i am not ovulating...and i don't want to be a bald bride...so i am in dire need here!bigbird3099 wrote: I am not sure but she has to go back again for blood tests.> > > >> > > > The recommended progesterone dose is 200 mg orally or 45 - 50 mg > > > vaginally> > > > for 10 - 12 days a month. I do fine on 50 mg vaginally but 100 mg> > > > (Prometrium) vaginally gives me terrible P overdose symptoms. 200 > > > mg> > > > vaginally twice a day seems like a HUGE dose.> > > > Val> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> > > > From: rhythmicliving > > > > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of > > > > > > > > > > > > what's the absorption of prometrium taken vaginally vs. orally? > > > is> > > > it more like with transdermal P or less like with crinone? what> > > > would be a good dose for someone like me, young, with uterus on> > > > 0.2mg of transdermal E?> > > > > > > > What scares me the most is that P lowers the immune system and > > > that> > > > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will harm the> > > > hair progress.> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/> > > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not intended as medical > advice.** > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Thank you Karin! It sounds as if you are suggesting that hormones convert (pathways) differently for all of us... makes sense, although it thickens the plot! Based on what I am finding out I think I will attempt to cycle P every two months. What blood level of E do you average? Did you ever replace T? For those who have a good P conversion to T, dose this mean you would want to NOT replace the T is you were lowish? Thanks again, Eileen > Hi Eileen, > Just read your post below and you and I could be twins. I also saw > Redmond. The last time > I had a sono was about 4 mos ago and everything was normal. I have > only taken P 2 times > in the past 7 mos. The last time I took it was because I did not get > a period for 2 1/2 mos > and than took the smallest amt transdermal and bled for 2 weeks and > felt terrible. Once I > got my E up again the bleeding stopped. So for me I will probably go > in every 4-5 months > especially if I don't bleed on my own. Redmond diagnosed me with non > classic PCOS (no > insulin resistance). When I was younger I would get my period about > every 6 weeks. The > week before my period was severe water retension, severe acne and > super charged sex > drive. Now that I look back I think that all stemmed from P and the > pathway it took in my > body. I never had super high T (in the 30's) and my free T was at the > high end (1.8) but > when I took P alone it went to 99. I see the same thing in my 22 yr > old daughter. Just > seems that P for us is difficult to handle, I also read the P travels > thru the kidneys and I > forget what they do but my Dad has an unusual genetic thing that > involves the kidneys. > My daughter and I also have celiac disease (I know it messes > w/fertilty). So who knows. > Karin > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Hi ladies, > > >> > > > > > >> > > > this is my first post here, and first i'd like to tell you > how > > >> > > great > > >> > > > it is to be talking to women that really know their > stuff..what > > >> a > > >> > > > wealth of info! regrowing! i am still only 8 weeks into > > >> > > > the program, but i finally feel like i see a light at the > end of > > >> > > the > > >> > > > dark tunnel...> What scares me the most is that P lowers > the > > >> > immune > > >> > > system and that > > >> > > > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will > harm > > >> the > > >> > > > hair progress. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > TIA, > > >> > > > - > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > >> > > > > >> > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is > not > > >> > intended as medical advice.** > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > >  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2006 Report Share Posted February 16, 2006 For now I don't think I would replace T. Everything I have read on PCOS shows that we typically go thru menopause later and the ovaries are still very active (except not in the right ratios). I would consider it later on if I felt that I needed it for energy and muscle tone,but I would confirm it w/blood tests first. Karin > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Hi ladies, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > this is my first post here, and first i'd like to tell you > > how > > > >> > > great > > > >> > > > it is to be talking to women that really know their > > stuff..what > > > >> a > > > >> > > > wealth of info! regrowing! i am still only 8 weeks into > > > >> > > > the program, but i finally feel like i see a light at the > > end of > > > >> > > the > > > >> > > > dark tunnel...> What scares me the most is that P lowers > > the > > > >> > immune > > > >> > > system and that > > > >> > > > it lowers the affect of E, of course i am afraid it will > > harm > > > >> the > > > >> > > > hair progress. > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > TIA, > > > >> > > > - > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/ > > > >> > > > > > >> > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is > > not > > > >> > intended as medical advice.** > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > >  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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