Re: Hernia disks, need help!!!

[Guest guest]

Hi, My dear sister called me that her MRI report indicated there were several

hernia dieks around her neck area. She felt numb from shoulder to her arms to

the point it was hard for her to get decent sleep. Any alternative treatment

you folks know about before she goes to dangerious neck operation. I felt her

frustration/depression and I wish I can help her. Does DMSO or MSM will help

her? Does magnet therapy will help? Or any device can help her relief presssure

from her neck? Any supplements/herbs will be able hold her condition from

getting worse? How about diets? Any inputs will be much appreciated. Thanks in

advance. Helen

[Guest guest]

Helen -

slowly the medicos learned that most surgeries are useless and/or dangerous.

In my case standard physio-therapy didn't achieve much.

Then Dorn therapy reduced the pain level considerably.

DMSO didn't help with pain (it helped others though).

Patients should exercise but I have a funny condition:

When I sit or lie down I have almost no pain.

Walking increases the pain.

So I have not yet found a way to be pain-free like before it shot on

me (without any physical impact).

Choose your therapeut carefully.

After learning from a Dorn guy you can continue d.i.y.

Regards

At 6:52 Uhr +0000 19.12.2011, dingyung49 wrote:

>Hi, My dear sister called me that her MRI report indicated there

>were several hernia dieks around her neck area. She felt numb from

>shoulder to her arms to the point it was hard for her to get decent

>sleep. Any alternative treatment you folks know about before she

>goes to dangerious neck operation. I felt her

>frustration/depression and I wish I can help her. Does DMSO or MSM

>will help her? Does magnet therapy will help? Or any device can

>help her relief presssure from her neck? Any supplements/herbs

>will be able hold her condition from getting worse? How about

>diets? Any inputs will be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

>Helen

>

>

>

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>List Home Page:

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>http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

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>Books:

>DMSO Nature's Healer by Morton

>MSM The Definitive Guide by Stanely MD and Appleton,

>ND

[Guest guest]

Knees & hands don't usually have herniated discs tho?

Jane

Subject: Hernia disks, need help!!!

>Glucosomine Chondritin has been stated as not effective<

I'm curious about the person or organization which stated that glucosamine

is not effective. I've never used chondroitin, so I can't speak about that

(or about combinations of the two), but glucosamine healed my arthritic

knees over ten years ago. It has also healed my daughter's hands.

I don't believe everything that's stated, especially when it contradicts my

own experience.

Dianne

[Guest guest]

My dad used Bioflex glucosamine/condroitin on his laboradore retriever and she

recovered use of her back legs again. She was in obvious discomfort and I told

Dad to use that and he did. The next thing he knew, she surprised him and

climbed 13 steps to get upstairs where his bedroom is and she jumped in bed with

him. She recovered from there. I don't know any other testimony to give you, but

a dog does not know anything about the placebo effect. I would say it at least

worked at that time. This was about 6 years ago.

Lyn

Hernia disks, need help!!!

>Glucosomine Chondritin has been stated as not effective<

I'm curious about the person or organization which stated that glucosamine

is not effective. I've never used chondroitin, so I can't speak about that

(or about combinations of the two), but glucosamine healed my arthritic

knees over ten years ago. It has also healed my daughter's hands.

I don't believe everything that's stated, especially when it contradicts my

own experience.

Dianne

[Guest guest]

When the disc is at the lower end of the cervical vertebrae it affects

ones hands. I don't know thru' which vertebrae nerves to the knees pass.

In my experience many supplements help with joint pain; possibly even

joint pain that begins in the spine but not sure of that one.

The number one substance for joint prolems in my book is bone broth

closely followed by gelatin. Of course, digestion has to be working for

this to be helpful. There are innumerable supplements that work,

depending on the origin of the problem and the environment (your body)

into which they are ingested. Celadrin, Bicarbonate Magnesium,

glucosamine, chondroitan, MSM, Mullein Root, Comfrey leaves/root, and

many more.

Just saw a friend in the hospital yesterday who had her knee replaced.

She has some serious arthritis and the pain had become unbearable. She

has never read anything by Dr. Childs much less attempted a

nightshade-free diet for a week or four. Any supplements she has used,

if they don't work in the same manner as drugs, she discards fairly

quicky as not working for her. Lifestyle, diet and maybe genetics all

played a role in getting her to the point where she opted for surgery.

Changes therein could have postponed or eliminated the need for fake knees.

But those kind of changes ARE work; we want to take a pill or close our

eyes and in half an hour (or whenever the commercial comes on) it's all

better. The television culture and the pharma agenda work together to

create the underlying expectation of " effortless and instant. " Add pain

to it and the way it dibilitates ones will and intiative and you end up

with the shortcut from pain taking to that place of good intentions to

which no one wants to go.

Saralou

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Research snippets

http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/herniateddisk/a/ruptureddisk.htm

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=knee+-+spine+nerve & hl=en & as_sdt=0 & as_vis=1 & o\

i=scholart

http://www.erinelster.com/ConditionsDetail.aspx?ConditionID=5

http://www.spineuniverse.com/conditions/neck-pain/cervical-herniated-disc-patien\

t-history-case

http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=27228

http://mississaugachiro.com/interactive_flash_spinal_nerve_chart.php

http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2 Upton and McComas [1

<http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B1>] formalized the hypothesis of the

" double crush " syndrome (DCS). They suggested that compression of an

axon at one location makes it more sensitive to effects of compression

in another location, because of impaired axoplasmic flow.

Hypothetically, two lesions with little or no independent clinical

ramifications, when combined, lead to appearance or magnification of

symptoms [2 <http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B2>]. Two areas of

compression affecting the same axons do not, alone, meet the criteria of

the hypothesis. By definition, a first lesion must render axons more

susceptible to effects of a second, leading to more than just the

combined, independent effects of two lesions [2

<http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B2>]. Upton and McComas [1

<http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B1>] used the double crush hypothesis

to explain why patients with carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS) sometimes feel

pain in the forearm, elbow, upper arm, shoulder, chest, and upper back.

They also used it to explain failed attempts at surgical repairs when

neither surgery nor CTS diagnosis appeared faulty. They claimed that

most patients with CTS not only have compressive lesions at the wrist,

but also show evidence of damage to cervical nerve roots.

The double crush concept has gained some popularity among chiropractors

because it seems to provide a rationale for adjusting the cervical spine

when treating CTS. An example of this emphasis on spinal care,

implicitly grounded in the double crush hypothesis, can be found on the

Web: " 90% of all carpal tunnel patients are misdiagnosed. O*nly 10% of

all carpal tunnel patients have the problem in their wrists*. Most often

the problem exists in the cervical spine with compression or irritation

of the nerve root. " [3 <http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B3>]. Although

the chiropractor making this claim may believe it, nothing in the

scientific literature supports it. Other doctors of chiropractic accept

that median nerve compression commonly occurs in the carpal tunnel but

believe that neck problems also contribute to the syndrome. Although it

seems that many of my chiropractic colleagues and students are

unfamiliar with the term " double crush syndrome, " nearly all share the

conviction that the cervical spine is involved in CTS.

" The first area I examine in a CTS case is not the wrist, but the neck.

It is here that a group of nerves known as the brachial plexus comes out

of the mid to lower neck region, then branches out to the arms, hands

and fingers.*If there is pressure on any of these nerves, especially the

median nerve, the result may be CTS*. " [4

<http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B4>]

" ...*nerve compression in the neck can block the flow of nutrients to

the nerves in the wrist, making it more susceptible to injury.* This is

called the double crush syndrome. " [5

<http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B5>]

" ...we have a comprehensive and unique six-point treatment plan for

Carpal Tunnel Syndrome... [including] chiropractic adjustments of neck,

shoulder, elbow and wrist.... CTS usually is due to pressure on the

nerve at more than one location. (this is known as 'double crush

[phenomenon].') " [6 <http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B6>]

--- Hernia disks, need help!!!

>Glucosomine Chondritin has been stated as not effective<

I'm curious about the person or organization which stated that glucosamine

is not effective. I've never used chondroitin, so I can't speak about that

(or about combinations of the two), but glucosamine healed my arthritic

knees over ten years ago. It has also healed my daughter's hands.

I don't believe everything that's stated, especially when it contradicts my

own experience.

Dianne

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In a message dated 12/19/2011 12:52:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,

dingyung49@... <mailto:dingyung49%40yahoo.com> writes:

Hi, My dear sister called me that her MRI report indicated there were

several hernia dieks around her neck area. She felt numb from shoulder

to her

arms to the point it was hard for her to get decent sleep. Any alternative

treatment you folks know about before she goes to dangerious neck

operation. I felt her frustration/depression and I wish I can help her.

Does

DMSO or MSM will help her? Does magnet therapy will help? Or any device can

help her relief presssure from her neck? Any supplements/herbs will be

able hold her condition from getting worse? How about diets? Any inputs

will

be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Helen

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[Guest guest]

IIRC, it was Dr. Mercola and Mike (Health Ranger) who

reported GC's ineffectiveness. YES, both offer their solutions.

Bruce

On Mon, 19 Dec 2011 09:09:52 -0800 (PST) Kore writes:

>Glucosomine Chondritin has been stated as not effective<

Hi Bruce,

I'm curious about the person or organization which stated that

glucosamine is not effective. I've never used chondroitin, so I can't

speak about that (or about combinations of the two), but glucosamine

healed my arthritic knees over ten years ago. It has also healed my

daughter's hands.

I don't believe everything that's stated, especially when it contradicts

my own experience.

Dianne