Guest guest Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 Hi Kathy, I’m sorry you have such a rough time detoxing. It sounds like your liver really is congested. Have you ever tried Adva Clear by Metagenics? You can buy it online. I started with 1/2 dose, one, twice per day and did fine. In a week or two, I went up to the full dose of two, twice per day. It is much more gentle than the detox supplement I am taking now. It sounds like the key for you is to start with something extremely gentle and gradually build up to more aggressive supplements. I started out with a product a few years ago called Detox One and Two, I think. It was extremely gentle. You can also buy alpha lipoic acid as an individual supplement. I have one from Metagenics called Mega Lipoate. I wish I would have known you were having troubles, I just spoke to Dr. Leu yesterday and could have asked him. It sounds like it would definitely be worth the price of a phone consult to get on the right track. I know Jen is treating with him long distance and has been pleased with her care. You really want to take care of your liver. Kenda Kenda I have the pain at the base of the neck also when I detox. It gets so bad that I get terrible headaches with it. I know it is my liver, but whenever I try something to detox ---supplements, coffee enemas, beets, enzymes--I get in so much pain I can't stand it. The pain is from terrible muscle spasms and twitches virtually all over my body which then causes tendon tightening and accompanying pain everywhere. I wish I knew how to proceed. I did do one liver cleanse that seemed to help my food intolerances. I probably need to try that again soon. The first one didn't bother me, but then the first time I try anything it seems ok. It is when I keep trying something or taking a supplement etc, that the reactions start to set in. Over the last 2 months I have slowly added garlic, flax seed oil, and oil of oregano back in on a daily basis. It was going good until I started trying beet juice--now I am back in a pain syndrome again. This is so frustrating to me. I know I need to detox and do these things, but when I do, I feel lousy and it just gets worse. I have never been able to outlast the herx. At some point, I can no longer tolerate the symtpoms anymore, and I have to back off until I can get back to a place of no pain again. It appears I am very similar to Anita's son. I would love to know if Dr. Leu has encountered this and how he handle's patients like myself that react vehemently and endlessly to every method of detox or supplementation. Any ideas? Thanks Hugs, kathy > >>>>>> > > > > > Has anyone else had it take a long time for > >>> > > the > >>>>>> > > > > > lightheadedness/dizziness to resolve after > >>>>> > > > > explantation? My implants > >>>>>> > > > > > were removed 21/2 years ago and I still have > >>> > > an > >>>>> > > > > annoying feeling in > >>>>> > > > > my > >>>>>> > > > > > head. It is significantly better but > >>> > > definately > >>>>> > > > > not gone. If anyone > >>>>>> > > > > > had it for several years after implant and it > >>>>> > > > > eventually resolved I > >>>>>> > > > > > would love to know. If it took a long time to > >>> > > go > >>>>> > > > > away completely > >>>>>> > > > > > please let me o ow how long it took. > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > By the way, I still have peripheral neuropathy > >>> > > too > >>>>> > > > > and I think the > >>>>> > > > > two > >>>>>> > > > > > are somehow related. > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > GT > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > ____________________________________________________ > >>> > > > >>>> > > > Sports > >>>> > > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy > >>> > > Football > >>>> > > > http://football.fantasysports. > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > __________________________________________________ > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2005 Report Share Posted July 6, 2005 - kenda I will look into those. I can't take alpa lipoic acid because it chelates iron and I have very low iron levels. Which is one of the reasons I thought beets would be good---high in iron and a good liver detoxifier. But it really gets me in pain---so does eating liver (organic). I think it is the enzymes. I feel like a freak the way I react to enzymes and all detox. I even react strongly too clay baths, epsom salt or seasalt baths, etc. I will feel great at first, and then a couple of hours later develop terrible pain all over my body. Like I just developed a massive case of arthritis. It is unreal. No food or supplement I ever took bothered me (that I know of) until I got sick. I just read your post about it being hard to find the time to choose to feel lousy from detox. I SO AGREE. Especially when I can't predict how long I will feel lousy after I quit the detox. Usually it takes at least 3-4 days after quitting a supplement, etc before I feel ok again. And it has, at times, taken weeks. So I am clearly a little edgy when it comes to trying detox methods! Hugs kathy -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> wrote: > Hi Kathy, > > I¹m sorry you have such a rough time detoxing. It sounds like your liver > really is congested. Have you ever tried Adva Clear by Metagenics? You can > buy it online. I started with 1/2 dose, one, twice per day and did fine. > In a week or two, I went up to the full dose of two, twice per day. It is > much more gentle than the detox supplement I am taking now. It sounds like > the key for you is to start with something extremely gentle and gradually > build up to more aggressive supplements. I started out with a product a few > years ago called Detox One and Two, I think. It was extremely gentle. You > can also buy alpha lipoic acid as an individual supplement. I have one from > Metagenics called Mega Lipoate. > > I wish I would have known you were having troubles, I just spoke to Dr. Leu > yesterday and could have asked him. It sounds like it would definitely be > worth the price of a phone consult to get on the right track. I know Jen is > treating with him long distance and has been pleased with her care. You > really want to take care of your liver. > > Kenda > > > > Kenda > > > > I have the pain at the base of the neck also when I detox. It gets > > so bad that I get terrible headaches with it. I know it is my > > liver, but whenever I try something to detox ---supplements, coffee > > enemas, beets, enzymes--I get in so much pain I can't stand it. The > > pain is from terrible muscle spasms and twitches virtually all over > > my body which then causes tendon tightening and accompanying pain > > everywhere. I wish I knew how to proceed. I did do one liver > > cleanse that seemed to help my food intolerances. I probably need > > to try that again soon. The first one didn't bother me, but then > > the first time I try anything it seems ok. It is when I keep trying > > something or taking a supplement etc, that the reactions start to > > set in. Over the last 2 months I have slowly added garlic, flax > > seed oil, and oil of oregano back in on a daily basis. It was going > > good until I started trying beet juice--now I am back in a pain > > syndrome again. This is so frustrating to me. I know I need to > > detox and do these things, but when I do, I feel lousy and it just > > gets worse. I have never been able to outlast the herx. At some > > point, I can no longer tolerate the symtpoms anymore, and I have to > > back off until I can get back to a place of no pain again. It > > appears I am very similar to Anita's son. I would love to know if > > Dr. Leu has encountered this and how he handle's patients like > > myself that react vehemently and endlessly to every method of detox > > or supplementation. Any ideas? Thanks > > Hugs, kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > Has anyone else had it take a long time for > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > lightheadedness/dizziness to resolve after > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > explantation? My implants > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > were removed 21/2 years ago and I still have > >>>>>>> > >>> > > an > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > annoying feeling in > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > my > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > head. It is significantly better but > >>>>>>> > >>> > > definately > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > not gone. If anyone > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > had it for several years after implant and it > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > eventually resolved I > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > would love to know. If it took a long time to > >>>>>>> > >>> > > go > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > away completely > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > please let me o ow how long it took. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > By the way, I still have peripheral neuropathy > >>>>>>> > >>> > > too > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > and I think the > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > two > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > are somehow related. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > GT > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > ____________________________________________________ > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Sports > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Football > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > http://football.fantasysports. > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >>>>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 -Kenda Did you ever react that way to some of the other things I mentioned? Hugs,kathy -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> wrote: > > Hi Kathy, > > > > I used to react to clay and apple cider vinegar baths the same way. I¹d feel > > like I had the flu for days! > > > > Kenda > > > > > > kenda > > I will look into those. I can't take alpa lipoic acid because it > > chelates iron and I have very low iron levels. Which is one of the > > reasons I thought beets would be good---high in iron and a good > > liver detoxifier. But it really gets me in pain---so does eating > > liver (organic). I think it is the enzymes. I feel like a freak > > the way I react to enzymes and all detox. I even react strongly too > > clay baths, epsom salt or seasalt baths, etc. I will feel great at > > first, and then a couple of hours later develop terrible pain all > > over my body. Like I just developed a massive case of arthritis. > > It is unreal. No food or supplement I ever took bothered me (that I > > know of) until I got sick. I just read your post about it being > > hard to find the time to choose to feel lousy from detox. I SO > > AGREE. Especially when I can't predict how long I will feel lousy > > after I quit the detox. Usually it takes at least 3-4 days after > > quitting a supplement, etc before I feel ok again. And it has, at > > times, taken weeks. So I am clearly a little edgy when it comes to > > trying detox methods! > > Hugs > > kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> > > wrote: > >> > Hi Kathy, > >> > > >> > I¹m sorry you have such a rough time detoxing. It sounds like > > your liver > >> > really is congested. Have you ever tried Adva Clear by > > Metagenics? You can > >> > buy it online. I started with 1/2 dose, one, twice per day and > > did fine. > >> > In a week or two, I went up to the full dose of two, twice per > > day. It is > >> > much more gentle than the detox supplement I am taking now. It > > sounds like > >> > the key for you is to start with something extremely gentle and > > gradually > >> > build up to more aggressive supplements. I started out with a > > product a few > >> > years ago called Detox One and Two, I think. It was extremely > > gentle. You > >> > can also buy alpha lipoic acid as an individual supplement. I > > have one from > >> > Metagenics called Mega Lipoate. > >> > > >> > I wish I would have known you were having troubles, I just spoke > > to Dr. Leu > >> > yesterday and could have asked him. It sounds like it would > > definitely be > >> > worth the price of a phone consult to get on the right track. I > > know Jen is > >> > treating with him long distance and has been pleased with her > > care. You > >> > really want to take care of your liver. > >> > > >> > Kenda > >> > > >> > > >>> > > Kenda > >>> > > > >>> > > I have the pain at the base of the neck also when I detox. It > > gets > >>> > > so bad that I get terrible headaches with it. I know it is my > >>> > > liver, but whenever I try something to detox --- supplements, > > coffee > >>> > > enemas, beets, enzymes--I get in so much pain I can't stand it. > > The > >>> > > pain is from terrible muscle spasms and twitches virtually all > > over > >>> > > my body which then causes tendon tightening and accompanying pain > >>> > > everywhere. I wish I knew how to proceed. I did do one liver > >>> > > cleanse that seemed to help my food intolerances. I probably > > need > >>> > > to try that again soon. The first one didn't bother me, but then > >>> > > the first time I try anything it seems ok. It is when I keep > > trying > >>> > > something or taking a supplement etc, that the reactions start to > >>> > > set in. Over the last 2 months I have slowly added garlic, flax > >>> > > seed oil, and oil of oregano back in on a daily basis. It was > > going > >>> > > good until I started trying beet juice--now I am back in a pain > >>> > > syndrome again. This is so frustrating to me. I know I need to > >>> > > detox and do these things, but when I do, I feel lousy and it > > just > >>> > > gets worse. I have never been able to outlast the herx. At some > >>> > > point, I can no longer tolerate the symtpoms anymore, and I have > > to > >>> > > back off until I can get back to a place of no pain again. It > >>> > > appears I am very similar to Anita's son. I would love to know > > if > >>> > > Dr. Leu has encountered this and how he handle's patients like > >>> > > myself that react vehemently and endlessly to every method of > > detox > >>> > > or supplementation. Any ideas? Thanks > >>> > > Hugs, kathy > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > Has anyone else > had it take a > > long time for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > lightheadedness/dizziness to > > resolve after > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > explantation? My implants > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > were removed 21/2 > years ago and I > > still have > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > an > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > annoying feeling in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > my > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > head. It is > significantly better > > but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > definately > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > not gone. If anyone > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > had it for > several years after > > implant and it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > eventually resolved I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > would love to > know. If it took a > > long time to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > go > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > away completely > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > please let me o > ow how long it > > took. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > By the way, I > still have > > peripheral neuropathy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > too > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > and I think the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > two > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > are somehow > related. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > GT > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > > ____________________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Sports > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for > Fantasy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Football > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://football.fantasysports. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2005 Report Share Posted July 7, 2005 Hi Kathy, I initially reacted strongly to oral supplements. I started out with a very mild supplement, Detox One and Two, years ago and didn’t react to it, at least I don’t recall reacting to it. I did react to Adva Clear by Metagenics but don’t any longer. I believe it is the milk thistle and maybe the N-Acetylcysteine that got me. The new supplement I’m taking, Liver Protect, has alpha lipoic acid, milk thistle, selenium and N-Acetylcysteine and I can only take 1/2 dose right now. Full dose makes me feel like garbage. I’m looking at the labels of the Adva Clear and Liver Protect and the Adva Clear has only 50 mg of milk thistle and the Liver Protect has 200 mg. Adva Clear has 66 mg of N-Acetylcysteine and Liver Protect has 200 mg. Kenda -Kenda Did you ever react that way to some of the other things I mentioned? Hugs,kathy -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> wrote: > > Hi Kathy, > > > > I used to react to clay and apple cider vinegar baths the same way. I’d feel > > like I had the flu for days! > > > > Kenda > > > > > > kenda > > I will look into those. I can't take alpa lipoic acid because it > > chelates iron and I have very low iron levels. Which is one of the > > reasons I thought beets would be good---high in iron and a good > > liver detoxifier. But it really gets me in pain---so does eating > > liver (organic). I think it is the enzymes. I feel like a freak > > the way I react to enzymes and all detox. I even react strongly too > > clay baths, epsom salt or seasalt baths, etc. I will feel great at > > first, and then a couple of hours later develop terrible pain all > > over my body. Like I just developed a massive case of arthritis. > > It is unreal. No food or supplement I ever took bothered me (that I > > know of) until I got sick. I just read your post about it being > > hard to find the time to choose to feel lousy from detox. I SO > > AGREE. Especially when I can't predict how long I will feel lousy > > after I quit the detox. Usually it takes at least 3-4 days after > > quitting a supplement, etc before I feel ok again. And it has, at > > times, taken weeks. So I am clearly a little edgy when it comes to > > trying detox methods! > > Hugs > > kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> > > wrote: > >> > Hi Kathy, > >> > > >> > I’m sorry you have such a rough time detoxing. It sounds like > > your liver > >> > really is congested. Have you ever tried Adva Clear by > > Metagenics? You can > >> > buy it online. I started with 1/2 dose, one, twice per day and > > did fine. > >> > In a week or two, I went up to the full dose of two, twice per > > day. It is > >> > much more gentle than the detox supplement I am taking now. It > > sounds like > >> > the key for you is to start with something extremely gentle and > > gradually > >> > build up to more aggressive supplements. I started out with a > > product a few > >> > years ago called Detox One and Two, I think. It was extremely > > gentle. You > >> > can also buy alpha lipoic acid as an individual supplement. I > > have one from > >> > Metagenics called Mega Lipoate. > >> > > >> > I wish I would have known you were having troubles, I just spoke > > to Dr. Leu > >> > yesterday and could have asked him. It sounds like it would > > definitely be > >> > worth the price of a phone consult to get on the right track. I > > know Jen is > >> > treating with him long distance and has been pleased with her > > care. You > >> > really want to take care of your liver. > >> > > >> > Kenda > >> > > >> > > >>> > > Kenda > >>> > > > >>> > > I have the pain at the base of the neck also when I detox. It > > gets > >>> > > so bad that I get terrible headaches with it. I know it is my > >>> > > liver, but whenever I try something to detox --- supplements, > > coffee > >>> > > enemas, beets, enzymes--I get in so much pain I can't stand it. > > The > >>> > > pain is from terrible muscle spasms and twitches virtually all > > over > >>> > > my body which then causes tendon tightening and accompanying pain > >>> > > everywhere. I wish I knew how to proceed. I did do one liver > >>> > > cleanse that seemed to help my food intolerances. I probably > > need > >>> > > to try that again soon. The first one didn't bother me, but then > >>> > > the first time I try anything it seems ok. It is when I keep > > trying > >>> > > something or taking a supplement etc, that the reactions start to > >>> > > set in. Over the last 2 months I have slowly added garlic, flax > >>> > > seed oil, and oil of oregano back in on a daily basis. It was > > going > >>> > > good until I started trying beet juice--now I am back in a pain > >>> > > syndrome again. This is so frustrating to me. I know I need to > >>> > > detox and do these things, but when I do, I feel lousy and it > > just > >>> > > gets worse. I have never been able to outlast the herx. At some > >>> > > point, I can no longer tolerate the symtpoms anymore, and I have > > to > >>> > > back off until I can get back to a place of no pain again. It > >>> > > appears I am very similar to Anita's son. I would love to know > > if > >>> > > Dr. Leu has encountered this and how he handle's patients like > >>> > > myself that react vehemently and endlessly to every method of > > detox > >>> > > or supplementation. Any ideas? Thanks > >>> > > Hugs, kathy > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > Has anyone else > had it take a > > long time for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > lightheadedness/dizziness to > > resolve after > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > explantation? My implants > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > were removed 21/2 > years ago and I > > still have > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > an > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > annoying feeling in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > my > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > head. It is > significantly better > > but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > definately > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > not gone. If anyone > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > had it for > several years after > > implant and it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > eventually resolved I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > would love to > know. If it took a > > long time to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > go > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > away completely > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > please let me o > ow how long it > > took. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > By the way, I > still have > > peripheral neuropathy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > too > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > and I think the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > two > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > are somehow > related. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > GT > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > > ____________________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Sports > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for > Fantasy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Football > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://football.fantasysports. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 kenda How did you get used to the milk thistle and NAC? How long did it take? Perhaps I will try the detox one and two. Where did you buy them? Thanks kathy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > Has anyone else > >> > had it take a > >>> > > long time for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >> > lightheadedness/dizziness to > >>> > > resolve after > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > explantation? My implants > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > were removed 21/2 > >> > years ago and I > >>> > > still have > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > an > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > annoying > > feeling in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > my > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > head. It is > >> > significantly better > >>> > > but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > definately > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > not gone. > > If anyone > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > had > > it for > >> > several years after > >>> > > implant and it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > eventually > > resolved I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > would love to > >> > know. If it took a > >>> > > long time to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > go > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > away > > completely > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > please let me o > >> > ow how long it > >>> > > took. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > By > > the way, I > >> > still have > >>> > > peripheral neuropathy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > too > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > and I think > > the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > two > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > are > > somehow > >> > related. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > GT > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>> > > ____________________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > Sports > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > Rekindle the > > Rivalries. Sign up for > >> > Fantasy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Football > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://football.fantasysports. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > > __________________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2005 Report Share Posted July 8, 2005 Kathy, It took time to get used to the milk thistle and NAC. I started out on 1/2 dose and gradually built up. I am taking 1/2 dose of Liver Protect now and am tolerating it fine. I’ll move up to a full dose next week. I bought Detox One and Two from a previous ND. She believed in doing everything very slowly and more friendly to the body. I know gentle is best for some but it didn’t work for me. Dr. Leu is much more aggressive in his treatment with me. Kenda kenda How did you get used to the milk thistle and NAC? How long did it take? Perhaps I will try the detox one and two. Where did you buy them? Thanks kathy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > Has anyone else > >> > had it take a > >>> > > long time for > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >> > lightheadedness/dizziness to > >>> > > resolve after > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > > explantation? My implants > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > were removed 21/2 > >> > years ago and I > >>> > > still have > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > an > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > annoying > > feeling in > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > my > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > head. It is > >> > significantly better > >>> > > but > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > definately > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > not gone. > > If anyone > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > had > > it for > >> > several years after > >>> > > implant and it > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > eventually > > resolved I > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > would love to > >> > know. If it took a > >>> > > long time to > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > go > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > away > > completely > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > please let me o > >> > ow how long it > >>> > > took. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > By > > the way, I > >> > still have > >>> > > peripheral neuropathy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > too > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > and I think > > the > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > two > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > are > > somehow > >> > related. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > GT > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>> > > ____________________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > Sports > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > Rekindle the > > Rivalries. Sign up for > >> > Fantasy > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Football > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://football.fantasysports. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > > __________________________________________________ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2005 Report Share Posted July 9, 2005 Hi Kathy, I used to react to clay and apple cider vinegar baths the same way. I’d feel like I had the flu for days! Kenda kenda I will look into those. I can't take alpa lipoic acid because it chelates iron and I have very low iron levels. Which is one of the reasons I thought beets would be good---high in iron and a good liver detoxifier. But it really gets me in pain---so does eating liver (organic). I think it is the enzymes. I feel like a freak the way I react to enzymes and all detox. I even react strongly too clay baths, epsom salt or seasalt baths, etc. I will feel great at first, and then a couple of hours later develop terrible pain all over my body. Like I just developed a massive case of arthritis. It is unreal. No food or supplement I ever took bothered me (that I know of) until I got sick. I just read your post about it being hard to find the time to choose to feel lousy from detox. I SO AGREE. Especially when I can't predict how long I will feel lousy after I quit the detox. Usually it takes at least 3-4 days after quitting a supplement, etc before I feel ok again. And it has, at times, taken weeks. So I am clearly a little edgy when it comes to trying detox methods! Hugs kathy -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> wrote: > Hi Kathy, > > I’m sorry you have such a rough time detoxing. It sounds like your liver > really is congested. Have you ever tried Adva Clear by Metagenics? You can > buy it online. I started with 1/2 dose, one, twice per day and did fine. > In a week or two, I went up to the full dose of two, twice per day. It is > much more gentle than the detox supplement I am taking now. It sounds like > the key for you is to start with something extremely gentle and gradually > build up to more aggressive supplements. I started out with a product a few > years ago called Detox One and Two, I think. It was extremely gentle. You > can also buy alpha lipoic acid as an individual supplement. I have one from > Metagenics called Mega Lipoate. > > I wish I would have known you were having troubles, I just spoke to Dr. Leu > yesterday and could have asked him. It sounds like it would definitely be > worth the price of a phone consult to get on the right track. I know Jen is > treating with him long distance and has been pleased with her care. You > really want to take care of your liver. > > Kenda > > > > Kenda > > > > I have the pain at the base of the neck also when I detox. It gets > > so bad that I get terrible headaches with it. I know it is my > > liver, but whenever I try something to detox ---supplements, coffee > > enemas, beets, enzymes--I get in so much pain I can't stand it. The > > pain is from terrible muscle spasms and twitches virtually all over > > my body which then causes tendon tightening and accompanying pain > > everywhere. I wish I knew how to proceed. I did do one liver > > cleanse that seemed to help my food intolerances. I probably need > > to try that again soon. The first one didn't bother me, but then > > the first time I try anything it seems ok. It is when I keep trying > > something or taking a supplement etc, that the reactions start to > > set in. Over the last 2 months I have slowly added garlic, flax > > seed oil, and oil of oregano back in on a daily basis. It was going > > good until I started trying beet juice--now I am back in a pain > > syndrome again. This is so frustrating to me. I know I need to > > detox and do these things, but when I do, I feel lousy and it just > > gets worse. I have never been able to outlast the herx. At some > > point, I can no longer tolerate the symtpoms anymore, and I have to > > back off until I can get back to a place of no pain again. It > > appears I am very similar to Anita's son. I would love to know if > > Dr. Leu has encountered this and how he handle's patients like > > myself that react vehemently and endlessly to every method of detox > > or supplementation. Any ideas? Thanks > > Hugs, kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > Has anyone else had it take a long time for > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > lightheadedness/dizziness to resolve after > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > explantation? My implants > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > were removed 21/2 years ago and I still have > >>>>>>> > >>> > > an > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > annoying feeling in > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > my > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > head. It is significantly better but > >>>>>>> > >>> > > definately > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > not gone. If anyone > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > had it for several years after implant and it > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > eventually resolved I > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > would love to know. If it took a long time to > >>>>>>> > >>> > > go > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > away completely > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > please let me o ow how long it took. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > By the way, I still have peripheral neuropathy > >>>>>>> > >>> > > too > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > and I think the > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > two > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > are somehow related. > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > GT > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > ____________________________________________________ > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Sports > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Football > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > http://football.fantasysports. > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > __________________________________________________ > >>>>> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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