Re: Fwd: Re: Hernia disks, need help!!!

December 19, 2011

Good post, Saralou

>

> When the disc is at the lower end of the cervical vertebrae it affects

> ones hands. I don't know thru' which vertebrae nerves to the knees pass.

>

> In my experience many supplements help with joint pain; possibly even

> joint pain that begins in the spine but not sure of that one.

>

> The number one substance for joint prolems in my book is bone broth

> closely followed by gelatin. Of course, digestion has to be working for

> this to be helpful. There are innumerable supplements that work,

> depending on the origin of the problem and the environment (your body)

> into which they are ingested. Celadrin, Bicarbonate Magnesium,

> glucosamine, chondroitan, MSM, Mullein Root, Comfrey leaves/root, and

> many more.

>

> Just saw a friend in the hospital yesterday who had her knee replaced.

> She has some serious arthritis and the pain had become unbearable. She

> has never read anything by Dr. Childs much less attempted a

> nightshade-free diet for a week or four. Any supplements she has used,

> if they don't work in the same manner as drugs, she discards fairly

> quicky as not working for her. Lifestyle, diet and maybe genetics all

> played a role in getting her to the point where she opted for surgery.

> Changes therein could have postponed or eliminated the need for fake

> knees.

>

> But those kind of changes ARE work; we want to take a pill or close our

> eyes and in half an hour (or whenever the commercial comes on) it's all

> better. The television culture and the pharma agenda work together to

> create the underlying expectation of " effortless and instant. " Add pain

> to it and the way it dibilitates ones will and intiative and you end up

> with the shortcut from pain taking to that place of good intentions to

> which no one wants to go.

>

> Saralou

> ----------------------------------------------------------

>

> Research snippets

> http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/herniateddisk/a/ruptureddisk.htm

>

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=knee+-+spine+nerve & hl=en & as_sdt=0 & as_vis=1 & o\

i=scholart

>

<http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=knee+-+spine+nerve & hl=en & as_sdt=0 & as_vis=1 & \

oi=scholart>

>

> http://www.erinelster.com/ConditionsDetail.aspx?ConditionID=5

>

http://www.spineuniverse.com/conditions/neck-pain/cervical-herniated-disc-patien\

t-history-case

> http://www.healthboards.com/boards/showthread.php?t=27228

> http://mississaugachiro.com/interactive_flash_spinal_nerve_chart.php

>

> http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2 Upton and McComas [1

> <http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B1>] formalized the hypothesis of the

> " double crush " syndrome (DCS). They suggested that compression of an

> axon at one location makes it more sensitive to effects of compression

> in another location, because of impaired axoplasmic flow.

> Hypothetically, two lesions with little or no independent clinical

> ramifications, when combined, lead to appearance or magnification of

> symptoms [2 <http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B2>]. Two areas of

> compression affecting the same axons do not, alone, meet the criteria of

> the hypothesis. By definition, a first lesion must render axons more

> susceptible to effects of a second, leading to more than just the

> combined, independent effects of two lesions [2

> <http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B2>]. Upton and McComas [1

> <http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B1>] used the double crush hypothesis

> to explain why patients with carpal tunnel syndrome (CTS) sometimes feel

> pain in the forearm, elbow, upper arm, shoulder, chest, and upper back.

> They also used it to explain failed attempts at surgical repairs when

> neither surgery nor CTS diagnosis appeared faulty. They claimed that

> most patients with CTS not only have compressive lesions at the wrist,

> but also show evidence of damage to cervical nerve roots.

>

> The double crush concept has gained some popularity among chiropractors

> because it seems to provide a rationale for adjusting the cervical spine

> when treating CTS. An example of this emphasis on spinal care,

> implicitly grounded in the double crush hypothesis, can be found on the

> Web: " 90% of all carpal tunnel patients are misdiagnosed. O*nly 10% of

> all carpal tunnel patients have the problem in their wrists*. Most often

> the problem exists in the cervical spine with compression or irritation

> of the nerve root. " [3 <http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B3>]. Although

> the chiropractor making this claim may believe it, nothing in the

> scientific literature supports it. Other doctors of chiropractic accept

> that median nerve compression commonly occurs in the carpal tunnel but

> believe that neck problems also contribute to the syndrome. Although it

> seems that many of my chiropractic colleagues and students are

> unfamiliar with the term " double crush syndrome, " nearly all share the

> conviction that the cervical spine is involved in CTS.

>

> " The first area I examine in a CTS case is not the wrist, but the neck.

> It is here that a group of nerves known as the brachial plexus comes out

> of the mid to lower neck region, then branches out to the arms, hands

> and fingers.*If there is pressure on any of these nerves, especially the

> median nerve, the result may be CTS*. " [4

> <http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B4>]

>

> " ...*nerve compression in the neck can block the flow of nutrients to

> the nerves in the wrist, making it more susceptible to injury.* This is

> called the double crush syndrome. " [5

> <http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B5>]

>

> " ...we have a comprehensive and unique six-point treatment plan for

> Carpal Tunnel Syndrome... [including] chiropractic adjustments of neck,

> shoulder, elbow and wrist.... CTS usually is due to pressure on the

> nerve at more than one location. (this is known as 'double crush

> [phenomenon].') " [6 <http://chiromt.com/content/16/1/2#B6>]

>

> --- Hernia disks, need help!!!

>

> >Glucosomine Chondritin has been stated as not effective<

>

> I'm curious about the person or organization which stated that glucosamine

> is not effective. I've never used chondroitin, so I can't speak about that

> (or about combinations of the two), but glucosamine healed my arthritic

> knees over ten years ago. It has also healed my daughter's hands.

>

> I don't believe everything that's stated, especially when it

> contradicts my

> own experience.

>

> Dianne

>

> .................................

> In a message dated 12/19/2011 12:52:50 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> dingyung49@... <mailto:dingyung49%40yahoo.com>

> <mailto:dingyung49%40yahoo.com> writes:

>

> Hi, My dear sister called me that her MRI report indicated there were

> several hernia dieks around her neck area. She felt numb from shoulder

> to her

> arms to the point it was hard for her to get decent sleep. Any alternative

> treatment you folks know about before she goes to dangerious neck

> operation. I felt her frustration/depression and I wish I can help her.

> Does

> DMSO or MSM will help her? Does magnet therapy will help? Or any

> device can

> help her relief presssure from her neck? Any supplements/herbs will be

> able hold her condition from getting worse? How about diets? Any inputs

> will

> be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Helen

>

> __._

>

December 19, 2011

I've said it before and will say it again--get the cheap paperback book Pain

Free by Pete Egoscue. He was wounded in Nam and though they operated many

times he still hurt (his leg) badly and they said he'd forever limp and have

pain. He spent all his time in the library learning about joints, tendons,

etc and came up with a method of simple stretches that not only got him out

of pain, but also not limping.

He said that his fellow soldiers started coming to him asking for help and

he helped every one. When he got out of service he decided to open his own

clinic--which can be found at www.egoscue.com

I've seen amazing results from these stretches in people I know. When you

first start the stretches may take up to 45 minutes in the morning. Once

you are out of pain for 48 hours (this usually takes 2 weeks or less) then

you switch to maintenance stretches which take 10 to 15 minutes.

These can stop the need for hip or knee replacement, straighten spines, stop

arthritis, etc. Even if the pain seems unrelated to these things, give the

book a try. What happens is because of an injury, or standing at work all

day, or any number of reasons the muscles that are suppose to hold the body

in the correct position decide to take off work. Secondary muscles take

over, but since it is not their job, pain starts. The stretches reteach the

correct muscles to go back to work and then the pain stops.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Just saw a friend in the hospital yesterday who had her knee replaced.

She has some serious arthritis and the pain had become unbearable. She

has never read anything by Dr. Childs much less attempted a

nightshade-free diet for a week or four. Any supplements she has used,

if they don't work in the same manner as drugs, she discards fairly

quicky as not working for her. Lifestyle, diet and maybe genetics all

played a role in getting her to the point where she opted for surgery.

Changes therein could have postponed or eliminated the need for fake knees.

December 21, 2011

Good post, .

>

> I've said it before and will say it again--get the cheap paperback

> book Pain

> Free by Pete Egoscue. He was wounded in Nam and though they operated many

> times he still hurt (his leg) badly and they said he'd forever limp

> and have

> pain. He spent all his time in the library learning about joints, tendons,

> etc and came up with a method of simple stretches that not only got

> him out

> of pain, but also not limping.

>

> He said that his fellow soldiers started coming to him asking for help and

> he helped every one. When he got out of service he decided to open his own

> clinic--which can be found at www.egoscue.com

>

> I've seen amazing results from these stretches in people I know. When you

> first start the stretches may take up to 45 minutes in the morning. Once

> you are out of pain for 48 hours (this usually takes 2 weeks or less) then

> you switch to maintenance stretches which take 10 to 15 minutes.

>

> These can stop the need for hip or knee replacement, straighten

> spines, stop

> arthritis, etc. Even if the pain seems unrelated to these things, give the

> book a try. What happens is because of an injury, or standing at work all

> day, or any number of reasons the muscles that are suppose to hold the

> body

> in the correct position decide to take off work. Secondary muscles take

> over, but since it is not their job, pain starts. The stretches

> reteach the

> correct muscles to go back to work and then the pain stops.

>

> Samala,

>

> -------Original Message-------