Guest guest Posted February 17, 1999 Report Share Posted February 17, 1999 Hi , Janene had tons of tests, including those for candida, and all were normal. However, she was deteriorating. After we had wasted months in doing tests, she decided to treat for candida and leaky gut anyway, assuming she had the problem. A lot of tests done in labs aren't that reliable or accurate. She's taking olive leaf extract and digestive enzymes including slippery elm and now seems to be doing a lot better. Chris. I was tested for candida and didnt have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 1999 Report Share Posted June 5, 1999 , I take the East park brand. I got it by the case, less expensive. Two pills 4 times a day. I also take Reserve aged garlic extract by " Kyolic " 600mg twice a day and grapefruit seed extract. by " Nuti Cology " 75mg twice a day. Drink half your body weight in water . Yoly Kellis & O'Connor wrote: > Hi Yoly, > Would you mind telling me what brand of olive leaf you are taking > and how much, please. I just sent in an order for three bottles of the > East Park brand. > Thank you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 1999 Report Share Posted June 11, 1999 Carol: I found it on the internet at www.eastpark.com. I called them at and they said that it can be ordered direct from them. I haven't tried it yet. Am I right in understanding that people should take it if they test positive for candida? Should they take it for other things associated with arthritis? If so, what other things is it good for? I know there has been some discussion on this but I can't remember (senior moments ya know!) Lea HPUMOM1@... wrote: > From: HPUMOM1@... > > Could someone please send the phone number and name of the store that sells > the Olive Leaf that Ethel suggests? Also, is it capsule or pill? I know > most of you order by the case- but I was wondering how much it is if I just > buy 1 bottle as my stomach may not be able to tolerate it! > Thanks, > Carol* > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ONElist members are using Shared Files in great ways! > > Are you? If not, see our homepage for details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 1999 Report Share Posted June 21, 1999 I had oral thrush before I started the AP.It's just that it worsened with the AP Joanie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 1999 Report Share Posted June 21, 1999 " HOLMES, MARK T. " wrote: > > From: MHOLMES@... (HOLMES, MARK T.) > > Also, after reading the book, you would almost believe everyone had systemic > yeast and what I found most interesting is that it seemed to me that > antibiotics were the biggest cause of it. Dr. tells me that she has found candida overgrowth in every patient that has come to her for the AP. Dr. Weg says he has found candida & chlamydia pneumoniae in every patient he has tested - not only those with inflammatory rheumatic disease. He no longer bothers to test - just goes ahead with candida therapy. If you've taken antibiotics, NSAIDS, DMARDS (MTX, gold, Plaquenil, etc.), steroids and any number of other drugs out there, you need to check for candida, and in some cases leaky gut. Dr. treats for candida (using herbs) at the start of therapy and gives her patients vitamin IVs. She also checks for allergies and uses NAET therapy for them when necessary. All of her patients seem to respond to the AP faster. I've had several of Dr. Brown's patients tell me he treated them for candida as well. So taking olive leaf seems to me > to be something that will help overcome the bad side effects of antibotics. There are a few people that appear to be getting good results using the olive leaf for candida. > Geez, and I thought metho and the others were supposed to be the bad guys. > No wonder my docs tell me that antibiotics don't come without surplus > baggage as well. I guess it is a matter of whether you want yeast or > whether you want your immune system suppressed some - interesting choice. > > I know I sound rather negative, but this kind of irritates me a tad as when > I signed up to believe in Dr. Brown's theories, I got the impression that > minocycline was the lesser of all the evils - now I find out that I need to > overcome these yeast symptoms (which I guess are manifesting themselves in > me as RA, cause I sure don't seem to have any other sign of a yeast problem > that I would recognize). And systemic yeast sounds like something you don't > want to have! Yeast is normally silent in the intestines. It's when it causes leaky gut and the toxins get back into the blood stream that you experience its effects. I wish I could get it across to all of you how important it is to maintain a healthy gut. You can't have good health with an out-of-balance intestinal system. A strong immune system may carry you along for a while, but eventually it will catch up with you and you'll never suspect where it started. > So did Dr. Brown go on the assumption that everyone had yeast and how did he > treat for that? I don't recall him mentioning it a whole lot in his book. Dr. Brown wrote that book at 82 years of age while dying with bone cancer. He knew the book would meet with resistance from the medical community so was very careful what he wrote. It is far from a complete manual of AP therapy. > Apparently he had success without worrying about it . > Somehow I sense all these issues are making this whole " cure thing " a pretty > confusing mess. Challenging is the word, but the first place to start is by checking the gut, and checking it periodically as AP therapy progresses. Ethel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 1999 Report Share Posted June 22, 1999 " HOLMES, MARK T. " wrote: > > I know I sound rather negative, but this kind of irritates me a tad as when > I signed up to believe in Dr. Brown's theories, I got the impression that > minocycline was the lesser of all the evils - now I find out that I need to You hit the nail on the head, " lesser of... " , not " free of " . That's why there's so much admonition on the list to take prebiotics and probiotics; and so much conversation about herbals and other alternatives. -- Regards, Geoff Crenshaw, ACC ---------------------- Managing Partner ** No Disclaimers ** Captain Cook's Cruise Center ---------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Over 3,000 daily cruise & tour specials > Top 5% of Web Sites http://www.800-800-cruise.com [specials] > Top 100 Travel Sites .. > Top Web Sites for Cruise tips New Zealanders http://www.800-800-cruise.com [tips] USA PH: 800-800-CRUIse PH: 559-636-8413 FAX: 559-734-1420 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- geoff@... " Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you; He eats grass like an ox. Behold now, his strength in his loins, and his power in the muscles of his belly. He bends his tail like a cedar; The sinews of his thighs are knit together. His bones are tubes of bronze; His limbs are like bars of iron. He is the first of the ways of God. " God speaking to Job... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 1999 Report Share Posted June 22, 1999 Hi All, Ethel sold me on the benefits of Olive leaf about 6 to 8 weeks ago and I can vouch that I have a much healthier gut from it! In Aust I have managed to get some that the company says has a minimum of 23 and max of 33% and I am taking 2 twice daily, if nothing else it is working and I haven had yeast of thrush since!!! and I no longer crave sugar or sweets!!!!! ra Jan 97 ap May 98 Townsville Australia jamulder@... http://www.ultra.net.au/~jamulder/ Re: rheumatic Olive Leaf >From: Snooks <snooks@...> > > > > " HOLMES, MARK T. " wrote: >> >> From: MHOLMES@... (HOLMES, MARK T.) >> > >> Also, after reading the book, you would almost believe everyone had systemic >> yeast and what I found most interesting is that it seemed to me that >> antibiotics were the biggest cause of it. > >Dr. tells me that she has found candida overgrowth in every >patient that has come to her for the AP. Dr. Weg says he has found >candida & chlamydia pneumoniae in every patient he has tested - not only >those with inflammatory rheumatic disease. He no longer bothers to test >- just goes ahead with candida therapy. > >If you've taken antibiotics, NSAIDS, DMARDS (MTX, gold, Plaquenil, >etc.), steroids and any number of other drugs out there, you need to >check for candida, and in some cases leaky gut. > >Dr. treats for candida (using herbs) at the start of therapy and >gives her patients vitamin IVs. She also checks for allergies and uses >NAET therapy for them when necessary. All of her patients seem to >respond to the AP faster. > >I've had several of Dr. Brown's patients tell me he treated them for >candida as well. > > So taking olive leaf seems to me >> to be something that will help overcome the bad side effects of antibotics. > >There are a few people that appear to be getting good results using the >olive leaf for candida. > >> Geez, and I thought metho and the others were supposed to be the bad guys. >> No wonder my docs tell me that antibiotics don't come without surplus >> baggage as well. I guess it is a matter of whether you want yeast or >> whether you want your immune system suppressed some - interesting choice. >> >> I know I sound rather negative, but this kind of irritates me a tad as when >> I signed up to believe in Dr. Brown's theories, I got the impression that >> minocycline was the lesser of all the evils - now I find out that I need to >> overcome these yeast symptoms (which I guess are manifesting themselves in >> me as RA, cause I sure don't seem to have any other sign of a yeast problem >> that I would recognize). And systemic yeast sounds like something you don't >> want to have! > >Yeast is normally silent in the intestines. It's when it causes leaky >gut and the toxins get back into the blood stream that you experience >its effects. > >I wish I could get it across to all of you how important it is to >maintain a healthy gut. You can't have good health with an >out-of-balance intestinal system. A strong immune system may carry you >along for a while, but eventually it will catch up with you and you'll >never suspect where it started. > >> So did Dr. Brown go on the assumption that everyone had yeast and how did he >> treat for that? I don't recall him mentioning it a whole lot in his book. > >Dr. Brown wrote that book at 82 years of age while dying with bone >cancer. He knew the book would meet with resistance from the medical >community so was very careful what he wrote. It is far from a complete >manual of AP therapy. > >> Apparently he had success without worrying about it . >> Somehow I sense all these issues are making this whole " cure thing " a pretty >> confusing mess. > >Challenging is the word, but the first place to start is by checking the >gut, and checking it periodically as AP therapy progresses. > >Ethel > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Last chance to earn $5000 for your charity of choice! > >Deadline for " GROW TO GIVE " is June 19. See homepage for details. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 1999 Report Share Posted June 25, 1999 I ordered the East Park Olive Leaf from India Ink. It was $26.99/bottle plus $3.00 S & H. Guess it must be from a previous batch. M. Yensen wrote: > From: " M. Yensen " <syensen@...> > > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:55:02 -0400 > From: " Kellis & O'Connor " <docsol@...> > Hi,I have 3 bottles of East Park that are labeled oleuropein content > 38%. So, this is false advertising, right. Wonder if they were > reported! What results are you all getting from the other brands? > > , > I don't know what to say about this. How did you get bottles that are > labeled 38% and I got them that are not even labeled and won't be. > > Mine are from East Park Research Inc. 800-656-8687. Is this the same company? > > I always felt that the olive leaf that I have been using gave me more > stamina, that was a big one at first, then after more reading and searching > I recognised the use for my immune dysregulation and that I needed it for > the opportunistic organisms that like me so much.. So when I learned that > I could get the 38% I was happy because I have always taken 4 of the 6% at > one time and then spaced through the day when I was fighting something > specific. > > I think it is a good idea " buyer beware " however, I am totally bemused at > how you got a labeled bottle and me not, not one single bottle is labeled. > > That is why now I wonder if this is the same company or a knock off. Be > real glad to hear from you if this is the same name and phone # Also the > address is NV on the invoice. > > Stranger than fiction. > > > Light is " Living in God's Holy Thoughts. " > > --------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 1999 Report Share Posted June 27, 1999 - I also tested negative for candida but I'm wondering if I should try the olive leaf. What kind of improvements have you seen in Janene since taking the extract? Are you sure they are because of the extract or could they be from something else. Naturally, I want to get well as soon as possible and I'm open to just about anything that seems logical. However, sometimes I get a little reluctant to keep taking more and more things into my body on top of the multitude of meds and supplements that I already take. I've been contemplating olive leaf for about 2 months now and having a hard time trying to make a decision. Lea cadlard@... wrote: > From: cadlard@... > > Hi , > > Janene had tons of tests, including those for candida, and all were normal. > However, she was deteriorating. > After we had wasted months in doing tests, she decided to treat for candida > and leaky gut anyway, assuming she had the problem. A lot of tests done in > labs aren't that reliable or accurate. > > She's taking olive leaf extract and digestive enzymes including slippery > elm and now seems to be doing a lot better. > Chris. > > I was tested for candida and didnt have it. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Congratulations to " Make_A_Child_Smile, " our latest ONElist of the Week. > > How is ONElist changing YOUR life? Visit our homepage and let us know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 1999 Report Share Posted June 27, 1999 Dear Ethel...How do you check to find out if you have a leaky gut? Thanks in advance, Shirle RA 6/97 AP 2/98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 1999 Report Share Posted June 28, 1999 Gdnr@... wrote: > > From: Gdnr@... > > Dear Ethel...How do you check to find out if you have a leaky gut? Thanks in > advance, Shirle RA 6/97 AP 2/98 Hi Shirle, Check out http://www.mdheal/leakygut.htm. I think the name of the test for leaky gut is called Lactulose Mannitol. Great Smokies Laboratory runs this test. http://www.gsdl.com Ethel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 1999 Report Share Posted October 22, 1999 Hi , Olive leaf seems a really useful supplement. In fact, most products from the olive are helpful. The best recommendation I can make is that my daughter is thoroughly sick of the tons of tablets she takes every day but she firmly states she will never miss taking the olive leaf. Herxing can show in many different ways - increased pain and inflammation, mood swings, depression, flu-like symptoms, skin problems like itching. As the antibiotic attacks the infection, toxins are given off. The herx symptoms show up where there is most toxin activity. See if your symptoms follow a pattern related to when you take the antibiotic and that will give you a good idea. Chris. Does anyone have experience using olive leaf for arthritis. I have some literature indicating that it is a powerful antibiotic and wonder if it would be a good adjunct natural aid to take with the minocin. Also, can a herx reaction also be associated with one's skin breaking out (on the face)? I sometimes get headaches with the minocin. On Wednesday I awoke with a headache that lasted all day, then Thursday my skin on my face was all broken out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 1999 Report Share Posted October 23, 1999 , I recall reading on the rheumatic.org site that it is not uncommon to break out with a rash as a part of a herx...Check the FAQ section and the Doctor's protocols section. Believe you will find it there. _____ Blessings and Health Tony (Diagnosed Sero-Neg. RA Apr 99; on AP since 5 Oct 99)  Meds (Dr Prescribed): Methotrexate 10MG per week; Folic Acid 2MG per day; Prednisone 10mg daily; Sulfasalazine 4G daily; Plaquinil 400mg daily; Minocycline 100mg 2X daily; Prilosec 20-40mg daily  Alternative Meds/Herbs: Flax Seed Oil (Omega 3, 6, 9) 6g daily; MSM 2g daily; Pantothenic Acid (B5) 2g daily; Niacin (B6) 1g Daily; Echinacea/Goldenseal 420mg daily; Milk Thistle 350mg daily; Ginseng 840mg daily; Chitosan 2g Daily; Lactobacillis Acidopholis 2 capsules daily  > rheumatic Olive leaf > > > From: leslie@... > > Does anyone have experience using olive leaf for arthritis. > I have some literature indicating that it is a powerful > antibiotic and wonder if it would be a good adjunct natural > aid to take with the minocin. > Also, can a herx reaction also be associated with one's > skin breaking out (on the face)? I sometimes get headaches > with the minocin. On Wednesday I awoke with a headache that lasted > all day, then Thursday my skin on my face was all broken out. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 1999 Report Share Posted October 23, 1999 > From: " Tony Milligan " <amillig1@...> > > , > I recall reading on the rheumatic.org site that it is not uncommon to > break out with a rash as a part of a herx...Check the FAQ section and the > Doctor's protocols section. Believe you will find it there. > ...yes, this is good advice. However, PLEASE see a doctor as well, even if you think you know the cause. -Molly Denton ---------------------------------------------------------- Get paid for using free email at http://www.trespass.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2002 Report Share Posted October 4, 2002 Thanks Barb, I appreciate it...one would hope that DR F would know if it interfered with the mino...but you are right, we always need to double check, boy, have I found that out..thanks so much, DEBB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2003 Report Share Posted June 14, 2003 ----- Original Message ----- From: <rb09322@...> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 8:26 PM > > I have a viral infection and my doc wants me to take olive leaf along with the > minocin. Roni, there should be no problem taking both Minocin and olive leaf. Ethel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 We use almost solely NOW Foods brand supps and have a lot of faith in them. As long as you read their " Free Of " label carefully to make sure your children don't have a problem with anything in the supp you should be fine. Good Luck! Jen > I have recently started my ds on olive leaf(500 mg)and want to start my > other children on it. I would like to buy all my supps at the same site. > My current brand is not avail on the site. Has anyone used NOW FOODS brand? > Also my youngest ds is 60 lbs. What would be the apppropiate dosage? My > bottle of OLE says not for choldren. Also there is a vitamin shop store > fairly close. How are there brand of supplements? > > Thanks, > Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 > Also my youngest ds is 60 lbs. What would be the apppropiate dosage? I started my son [at age 8] with 250 mg and worked up to 3000 mg per day. >>Also there is a vitamin shop store > fairly close. How are there brand of supplements? I use Natural Factors brand, from my local health food store. I like it because it does not contain many additives and fillers. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 Hello everyone! I received my olive leaf extract and the book that tells all about it. After reading the book I didn't want to wait to try it so I took some on Thursday night. I had an immediate herx! Within 45 minutes I was in the bathroom with horrible cramping and diarrhea. The cramping didn't go away for almost a full 24 hours. I am guessing that this might mean I am more toxic than I suspected. I am going to try using it again but willstart with a much smaller dose. (I took 2 pills) I'm wondering what I should test for to figure out what will be best for dieting. I tried contacting Dr. Lykissa a while back but we just played phone tag. What tests should I order, and is Expertox able to perform them all or should I also look for a naturopath?? 10 more days till explant and counting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2005 Report Share Posted June 12, 2005 I’d look for a good naturopath to do your testing, otherwise you may waste a lot of money doing unnecessary tests or not running necessary tests. Kenda Hello everyone! I received my olive leaf extract and the book that tells all about it. After reading the book I didn't want to wait to try it so I took some on Thursday night. I had an immediate herx! Within 45 minutes I was in the bathroom with horrible cramping and diarrhea. The cramping didn't go away for almost a full 24 hours. I am guessing that this might mean I am more toxic than I suspected. I am going to try using it again but willstart with a much smaller dose. (I took 2 pills) I'm wondering what I should test for to figure out what will be best for dieting. I tried contacting Dr. Lykissa a while back but we just played phone tag. What tests should I order, and is Expertox able to perform them all or should I also look for a naturopath?? 10 more days till explant and counting! Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 , Have you omitted sugar, dairy, and gluten from your diet? All are inflammitory and when i took them out of my diet my cognitive symptoms improved a lot! Also, systemic enzymes like Wobenzym have helped me a ton, and also alka seltzer gold. Thane > > From: Arthurs <theduchess4@...> > Subject: [ ] Olive leaf > > Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 6:38 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone ever tried Olive leaf as an alternative treatment? I went to > > Earthfare the other day and asked the nutritionist what she recommended for > > Lyme and she told me Olive Leaf. She gave me a sample of liquid. I just > > ordered Olive leaf extract capsules by mail order from my favorite vitamin > > company - buy 2 get 3 free. I have been taking extra Vitamin C, and many > > other anti oxidants since being diagnosed in August for Lyme. > > > > in SC > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 > > Yes, Olive Leaf is helping me. In my case, it is effective is killing not only Lyme - but the parasites as well. (I also take Colloidal Silver). - - Glen > I have tried OLE and can tell you it was extremely potent. So much so, that I can't take it regularly because the herx was so strong I would not be able to function. If I didn't have to work it would be at the top of my list with Grapfruit Seed Extract and Oregano Oil. Amy > [ ] Olive leaf > > > > Has anyone ever tried Olive leaf as an alternative treatment? I went to > Earthfare the other day and asked the nutritionist what she recommended for > Lyme and she told me Olive Leaf. She gave me a sample of liquid. I just > ordered Olive leaf extract capsules by mail order from my favorite vitamin > company - buy 2 get 3 free. I have been taking extra Vitamin C, and many > other anti oxidants since being diagnosed in August for Lyme. > > in SC > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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