Re: Question to the group - Irene

[Guest guest]

Hi Irene,

Yes, breathing was very difficult at one point. I couldn't walk from the living room to the kitchen without being out of breath. It was so bad that it sounded as though I had been running a marathon. Also, before explant, I would sweat profusely just to walk down the steps from my bedroom. I also had strange sounds in my ears. I would compare it to holding a sea shell up to your ears and hearing the ocean. I didn't have heart palpitations but my chest hurt on some days. I was definitely totally disabled from them. It is just terrible what they can do to you.

In fact I must thank you. I've been thinking that I haven't really come all that far. I had forgotten how sick I really was.

We are all here for you, so if you have any other questions, please don't hesitate.

As far as what your symptoms mean? You are ill from the implants and the symptoms at times can be quite strange. Doctors would usually look at me like I was nuts when trying to explain what I was going through. That is before I knew that it was the implants causing all of my problems.

Do you have silicone or saline? Irene <iwebb40@...> wrote:

Hi.. was wondering if anyone ever experienced a harder time breathing when they had their implants in. I also seem to have what I think are heart palpitations or times when I am very aware of my heartbeat. I get so confused as to what all my symptoms mean. Can anyone help? Thanks and you guys have been a mental lifesaver for me. Hugs to all.Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

[Guest guest]

Beth...I have saline implants. I know it is not a coincidence that I

have started to feel very strange gradually since I had them put in.

My doctor looks at me strangely too and basically tells me there is

nothing wrong with me. I just had a mammogram doen and my husband

basically thinks this is a signed bill of health. They just don't

get it. Today my breasts feel hard and very uncomfortable. My doctor

said that saline are pretty safe and she seems to act as if I am

imagining all of this. I say...so many wommen cannot be all crazy.

This group has finally made me see this is not all in my head but in

my chest!

> Hi.. was wondering if anyone ever experienced a harder time

breathing

> when they had their implants in. I also seem to have what I think

are

> heart palpitations or times when I am very aware of my heartbeat.

I

> get so confused as to what all my symptoms mean. Can anyone help?

> Thanks and you guys have been a mental lifesaver for me. Hugs to

all.

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Irene,

Sometimes I wonder about the responses we get from

doctors. The party line they have been given is that

breast implants are safe . . . They can't get in

trouble by repeating that.

If they do admit to the problems, it can open a bag of

worms for them among their peers. I think this strange

look may be reflecting those doubts/fears.

One thing for sure, they do not want to put on your

records that your implants made you sick - since they

can't prove that themselves - then have to go to court

on your behalf sometime in the future. Doctors hate to

be put on that spot!

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Dearest Irene:

I had a mammogram one week before my silicone implants were removed. It

showed no rupture and yet when the plastic surgeon opened me up a week later

my breast implants were grossly ruptured....mammograms do not always show a

rupture. If your breasts are hard, they must come out, they should never

have been put into your healthy body in the first place. That is why we

should sue the plastic surgeons too, because they know that these devices

are not safe.

Honey, just stay with us and we will all help you to get through

this....love..Lea

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~```

Re: Question to the group - Irene

> Beth...I have saline implants. I know it is not a coincidence that I

> have started to feel very strange gradually since I had them put in.

> My doctor looks at me strangely too and basically tells me there is

> nothing wrong with me. I just had a mammogram doen and my husband

> basically thinks this is a signed bill of health. They just don't

> get it. Today my breasts feel hard and very uncomfortable. My doctor

> said that saline are pretty safe and she seems to act as if I am

> imagining all of this. I say...so many wommen cannot be all crazy.

> This group has finally made me see this is not all in my head but in

> my chest!

>

>

>> Hi.. was wondering if anyone ever experienced a harder time

> breathing

>> when they had their implants in. I also seem to have what I think

> are

>> heart palpitations or times when I am very aware of my heartbeat.

> I

>> get so confused as to what all my symptoms mean. Can anyone help?

>> Thanks and you guys have been a mental lifesaver for me. Hugs to

> all.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

>>

>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> Peace)

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Whats really a shame is once you confront your with the right question and

they have to admitt it's the implants causing your problems, a lot of them

will them cancel you as a patient , happen to me three times! Lana

>From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 06:19:00 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Irene,

>

>Sometimes I wonder about the responses we get from

>doctors. The party line they have been given is that

>breast implants are safe . . . They can't get in

>trouble by repeating that.

>

>If they do admit to the problems, it can open a bag of

>worms for them among their peers. I think this strange

>look may be reflecting those doubts/fears.

>

>One thing for sure, they do not want to put on your

>records that your implants made you sick - since they

>can't prove that themselves - then have to go to court

>on your behalf sometime in the future. Doctors hate to

>be put on that spot!

>

>Hugs,

>

>Rogene

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is why they destroy all the records, fires, floods and in some cases

the plastic surgeon hides the records in their homes. I had a lady tell me a

few days ago that her plastic surgeon has died and the records disappeared.

This is criminal in my opinion....love...Lea

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``````

Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

> Irene,

>

> Sometimes I wonder about the responses we get from

> doctors. The party line they have been given is that

> breast implants are safe . . . They can't get in

> trouble by repeating that.

>

> If they do admit to the problems, it can open a bag of

> worms for them among their peers. I think this strange

> look may be reflecting those doubts/fears.

>

> One thing for sure, they do not want to put on your

> records that your implants made you sick - since they

> can't prove that themselves - then have to go to court

> on your behalf sometime in the future. Doctors hate to

> be put on that spot!

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

> a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Anytime you ladies have a mmamogram you have to make sure that they are

giving up a DISPLACMENT mammogram. If they don't move that implant forward

they can not see the silicone sitting behind it. These mamograms are not

normally done. Three mammograms clear, the one displacement mammogram two

months later showed a lot of migrated gel. When you are scheduled for a

mammogram you need to call the radiology department YOURSELF and talk to a

nurse! Tell her you have implants and if you think there are ruptured TELL

THE NURSE BEFORE YOUR APPOINTMENT and when you get to your appointment ask

again and again is this a displacement mammagram? If she says " your doctor

didn't ask for that kind " tell her " WELL YOU NEED TO CALL HIM THEM! Do

not think that your doctor will just naturally have the right test done,

cause he won't. " REMEMBER LADIES THEY DON " T WANT YOU TO KNOW THE TRUTH. " The

very first thing every doctor learns in medical school is about the immune

system and antibody reactions. ALL of these doctors know the truth. You have

to find clever ways to get them to admitt it. The only thing I think the

doctors didn't know about was the kids. I don't think any of them really

thought it through completely. Have you ever ask three teen age boys " who

left the computer on cause who ever did it is gonna do the dishes? " Well

getting the truth out of them is exactly like getting the truth out of your

doctors. You have to think! Be clever! Be creative. Don't ask them to tell

you what you already know! You tell them and then DO not let them lie to

you!!!!! Lana

>From: " Lea " <devans@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:02:07 -0600

>

>Dearest Irene:

>

>I had a mammogram one week before my silicone implants were removed. It

>showed no rupture and yet when the plastic surgeon opened me up a week

>later

>my breast implants were grossly ruptured....mammograms do not always show a

>rupture. If your breasts are hard, they must come out, they should never

>have been put into your healthy body in the first place. That is why we

>should sue the plastic surgeons too, because they know that these devices

>are not safe.

>

>Honey, just stay with us and we will all help you to get through

>this....love..Lea

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~```

> Re: Question to the group - Irene

>

>

> > Beth...I have saline implants. I know it is not a coincidence that I

> > have started to feel very strange gradually since I had them put in.

> > My doctor looks at me strangely too and basically tells me there is

> > nothing wrong with me. I just had a mammogram doen and my husband

> > basically thinks this is a signed bill of health. They just don't

> > get it. Today my breasts feel hard and very uncomfortable. My doctor

> > said that saline are pretty safe and she seems to act as if I am

> > imagining all of this. I say...so many wommen cannot be all crazy.

> > This group has finally made me see this is not all in my head but in

> > my chest!

> >

> >

> >> Hi.. was wondering if anyone ever experienced a harder time

> > breathing

> >> when they had their implants in. I also seem to have what I think

> > are

> >> heart palpitations or times when I am very aware of my heartbeat.

> > I

> >> get so confused as to what all my symptoms mean. Can anyone help?

> >> Thanks and you guys have been a mental lifesaver for me. Hugs to

> > all.

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

> > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> > treatment.

> >>

> >> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions

> > about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> > Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

> > Peace)

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

I lost my trail because my plastic surgeon, Dr. Graham WOODs was killed in a

helicopter crash and my medical records JUST DISSAPERED shortly after his

death. Lana No records no doctor no case!

MY lung specialist died in a boating accident and my first plastic surgeon

died in his sleep in his fourties. I have a feeling that all of the

xerogrammography's that doctor Woods had were stolen. Lana

>From: " Lea " <devans@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:07:55 -0600

>

>That is why they destroy all the records, fires, floods and in some cases

>the plastic surgeon hides the records in their homes. I had a lady tell me

>a

>few days ago that her plastic surgeon has died and the records disappeared.

>

>This is criminal in my opinion....love...Lea

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``````

> Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

>

>

> > Irene,

> >

> > Sometimes I wonder about the responses we get from

> > doctors. The party line they have been given is that

> > breast implants are safe . . . They can't get in

> > trouble by repeating that.

> >

> > If they do admit to the problems, it can open a bag of

> > worms for them among their peers. I think this strange

> > look may be reflecting those doubts/fears.

> >

> > One thing for sure, they do not want to put on your

> > records that your implants made you sick - since they

> > can't prove that themselves - then have to go to court

> > on your behalf sometime in the future. Doctors hate to

> > be put on that spot!

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> > health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

>you.

> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to

>live

> > a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Honey, all mammograms are sent to one of the hospitals, I know because I

went to collect mine and they had been sent to the hospital for storage. We

sent all of my mammograms and CT-Scans from Cross Cancer to to Dr. Guidoin.

Later when they wanted to look at the old mammograms to compare, they had

copies.

I'm sorry that you feel that you have lost all of your medical records, but

I bet they are in one of the other plastic surgeon's offices. When my PS

left here because of a scandel, he thought that all of the records had been

destroyed in a flood or fire, he was wrong because one of the nurses took as

many of the files that she could carry....one was mine.

Never give up....love you....Lea

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

>>

>>

>> > Irene,

>> >

>> > Sometimes I wonder about the responses we get from

>> > doctors. The party line they have been given is that

>> > breast implants are safe . . . They can't get in

>> > trouble by repeating that.

>> >

>> > If they do admit to the problems, it can open a bag of

>> > worms for them among their peers. I think this strange

>> > look may be reflecting those doubts/fears.

>> >

>> > One thing for sure, they do not want to put on your

>> > records that your implants made you sick - since they

>> > can't prove that themselves - then have to go to court

>> > on your behalf sometime in the future. Doctors hate to

>> > be put on that spot!

>> >

>> > Hugs,

>> >

>> > Rogene

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>> > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>> > health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>> >

>> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

>>you.

>> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to

>>live

>> > a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>> > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

The nurses were given depositions in prepration for the trial. No one was

able to locate the x-rays and my records weren't missing. The

xerogramograohy showed the silicone pouring out of the implant and moving up

not my shoulders. It was devestaing! Of course when doctor Woods died there

wre no more xerogramography machines left so that I could replace that

piticular type of x-ray. They replaced the xerogramography several years

earlier but doctor Woods kept using the one he had avalible to him through a

radiologist in his building. A xerogramography shows the silicone as bright

as day. There was no question that the implant was grossly ruptured. Of

course none of the other x-ray equiptment thats avalible , such as the MRI

and a regular mammogram will show the rupture or the migrated gel like the

xerogramography. You have to understand, If you knew doctor Woods, and maybe

you did, you would know that he gaurded those xerogramographys. He WOULD NOT

realse them even under supena, he hand carried each x-ray to trial. He was

doing a lot to help us. When everyone got thier stuff back from the

settlement, i was told they did but I don't know that for sure, anyway i

asked several women who had been patients of his if they got they

xerogramograohys back. Each one I spoke to said " NO, I got everything else ,

even my implants but not my xerogramography. " Beleive me this was the

biggest issue at my trail. IF A KEY PIECE OF EVIDENCE IS MISSING< YOU CAN

NOT WIN! I wish that they had been stored in some facilitcy some where, and

who knows maybe they are and all of the people in all of the land just

couldn't find them in an eight year period, that would be just my luck. But

i will say that even the judge said " SOMETHING SMELLS ROTTEN IN DENMAK " and

he was reffering to the missing X-rays. Today I have at least a cup of

silicone in my upper chest and armpit area that DO NOT show up on an MRI AT

ALL! I'm sure you're right though and the whole thing is just a coinidence.

Lana

>From: " Lea " <devans@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:53:55 -0600

>

>Honey, all mammograms are sent to one of the hospitals, I know because I

>went to collect mine and they had been sent to the hospital for storage. We

>sent all of my mammograms and CT-Scans from Cross Cancer to to Dr. Guidoin.

>Later when they wanted to look at the old mammograms to compare, they had

>copies.

>

>I'm sorry that you feel that you have lost all of your medical records, but

>I bet they are in one of the other plastic surgeon's offices. When my PS

>left here because of a scandel, he thought that all of the records had been

>destroyed in a flood or fire, he was wrong because one of the nurses took

>as

>many of the files that she could carry....one was mine.

>

>Never give up....love you....Lea

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

> Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

> >>

> >>

> >> > Irene,

> >> >

> >> > Sometimes I wonder about the responses we get from

> >> > doctors. The party line they have been given is that

> >> > breast implants are safe . . . They can't get in

> >> > trouble by repeating that.

> >> >

> >> > If they do admit to the problems, it can open a bag of

> >> > worms for them among their peers. I think this strange

> >> > look may be reflecting those doubts/fears.

> >> >

> >> > One thing for sure, they do not want to put on your

> >> > records that your implants made you sick - since they

> >> > can't prove that themselves - then have to go to court

> >> > on your behalf sometime in the future. Doctors hate to

> >> > be put on that spot!

> >> >

> >> > Hugs,

> >> >

> >> > Rogene

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> >> > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>licensed

> >> > health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >> >

> >> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

> >>you.

> >> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to

> >>live

> >> > a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> >> > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >> >

> >> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends, I have to comment on this topic because it hits home. When MDL announced their class action suit back in 95 or 96 I called my ps's office and requested my op note so I could see what kind of saline implants I had. My ps also died shortly after implantation. I was told that he did not dictate an op note before he died, JUST GREAT. So I called the surgi center to see what info they had and I was told that unfortunately "700 records were accidently destroyed and mine was one of them, Is this a conspiracy or what?

I have lost the last 10 yrs of my life, I am a miserable cranky person. I hurt like the rest of you. I have had my implants for 24 yrs, thank God the right one ruptured last month during mammogram (that is another story)! I am getting them out 7/22 and am hoping for the best.

I have been digesting all this information for about 3 weeks now and I am horrified, pissed, confused, you name it. If I continue typing I am going to get really nasty so I will quit for now. God Blee You All.......................

LOVE, KATHIELOOKING FORWARD TO FINDING MYGOOD HEALTH AGAIN

[Guest guest]

Many thanks Rogene.

LOVE, KATHIELOOKING FORWARD TO FINDING MYGOOD HEALTH AGAIN

[Guest guest]

Oh my God Lana ... this just made my skin crawl.

I have always felt very uncomfortable regarding his death ... this

timing is frightening.

I never met him but heard wonderful things about him.

Ilena

PS: Lana ... I remember seeing you and your kids on the Sally Jessie

Show ... I was with some other breast implant women and we cried

with you.

> I lost my trail because my plastic surgeon, Dr. Graham WOODs was

killed in a

> helicopter crash and my medical records JUST DISSAPERED shortly

after his

> death. Lana No records no doctor no case!

> MY lung specialist died in a boating accident and my first plastic

surgeon

> died in his sleep in his fourties. I have a feeling that all of

the

> xerogrammography's that doctor Woods had were stolen. Lana

>

> >From: " Lea " <devans@c...>

> >Reply-

> >< >

> >Subject: Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

> >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:07:55 -0600

> >

> >That is why they destroy all the records, fires, floods and in

some cases

> >the plastic surgeon hides the records in their homes. I had a

lady tell me

> >a

> >few days ago that her plastic surgeon has died and the records

disappeared.

> >

> >This is criminal in my opinion....love...Lea

> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``````

> > Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

> >

> >

> > > Irene,

> > >

> > > Sometimes I wonder about the responses we get from

> > > doctors. The party line they have been given is that

> > > breast implants are safe . . . They can't get in

> > > trouble by repeating that.

> > >

> > > If they do admit to the problems, it can open a bag of

> > > worms for them among their peers. I think this strange

> > > look may be reflecting those doubts/fears.

> > >

> > > One thing for sure, they do not want to put on your

> > > records that your implants made you sick - since they

> > > can't prove that themselves - then have to go to court

> > > on your behalf sometime in the future. Doctors hate to

> > > be put on that spot!

> > >

> > > Hugs,

> > >

> > > Rogene

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by

> > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed

> > > health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead

> >you.

> > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

how to

> >live

> > > a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

ing,

> > > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dr. Wood did several conferences for me, and we all liked him very

much. I was in contact with him two months before the crash.

Lynda

At 02:39 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote:

>Oh my God Lana ... this just made my skin crawl.

>

>I have always felt very uncomfortable regarding his death ... this

>timing is frightening.

>

>I never met him but heard wonderful things about him.

>

>Ilena

>

>PS: Lana ... I remember seeing you and your kids on the Sally Jessie

>Show ... I was with some other breast implant women and we cried

>with you.

>

>

>

> > I lost my trail because my plastic surgeon, Dr. Graham WOODs was

>killed in a

> > helicopter crash and my medical records JUST DISSAPERED shortly

>after his

> > death. Lana No records no doctor no case!

> > MY lung specialist died in a boating accident and my first plastic

>surgeon

> > died in his sleep in his fourties. I have a feeling that all of

>the

> > xerogrammography's that doctor Woods had were stolen. Lana

> >

> > >From: " Lea " <devans@c...>

> > >Reply-

> > >< >

> > >Subject: Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

> > >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:07:55 -0600

> > >

> > >That is why they destroy all the records, fires, floods and in

>some cases

> > >the plastic surgeon hides the records in their homes. I had a

>lady tell me

> > >a

> > >few days ago that her plastic surgeon has died and the records

>disappeared.

> > >

> > >This is criminal in my opinion....love...Lea

> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``````

> > > Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

> > >

> > >

> > > > Irene,

> > > >

> > > > Sometimes I wonder about the responses we get from

> > > > doctors. The party line they have been given is that

> > > > breast implants are safe . . . They can't get in

> > > > trouble by repeating that.

> > > >

> > > > If they do admit to the problems, it can open a bag of

> > > > worms for them among their peers. I think this strange

> > > > look may be reflecting those doubts/fears.

> > > >

> > > > One thing for sure, they do not want to put on your

> > > > records that your implants made you sick - since they

> > > > can't prove that themselves - then have to go to court

> > > > on your behalf sometime in the future. Doctors hate to

> > > > be put on that spot!

> > > >

> > > > Hugs,

> > > >

> > > > Rogene

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

>given by

> > > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>licensed

> > > > health care professional before commencing any medical

>treatment.

> > > >

> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>mislead

> > >you.

> > > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

>how to

> > >live

> > > > a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

>ing,

> > > > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Irene,

YOU are NOT crazy the doctors are CRAZY! I've heard this so many times it just makes me sick.

Irene, you are sick because of the implants. I listened to doctors for 3 years before I realized that it was the implants and not that I was going CRAZY! Three lost years I could have used in getting them removed and healing myself.

I had a mammogram and an MRI. My doctor just ignored the fact that my implants were surrounded by abscesses! She also ignored the fact that I had a tumor. That tumor had the characteristics of being malignant. These doctors have got to pay for what they are doing to us.

I don't believe anything that a doctor tells me anymore. I feel that they are just a bunch of quacks! There are a few out there and I must say a FEW that believe that these implants are causing problems.

I really hate these plastic surgeons that implant us. Money, money, money. That is the bottom line!

'What goes around comes around. If not in this life then in another.' Beth Schaffer__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

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Dear Kathie

I am so glad to hear that you are getting your implants out and so

sorry to hear that you are one more victim both of implant sickness,

and having your records disappear. I was wondering if you are

making sure that your implants are being removed " en bloc " . That

would mean having all of the capsule removed as well as the implant

iself. The capsule can contain all kinds of harmful debri from the

implant as well as all kinds of pathogens and bacteria. It is

extremely important to have the implants out properly to give your

body the best chance to get well. Welcome to our site. If we can

be of any help or support let us know. Where are you from and where

are you having your explant done?

Hugs, kathy

-- In , verdiresident@a... wrote:

> Dear Friends, I have to comment on this topic because it hits

home. When MDL

> announced their class action suit back in 95 or 96 I called my

ps's office

> and requested my op note so I could see what kind of saline

implants I had. My

> ps also died shortly after implantation. I was told that he did

not dictate

> an op note before he died, JUST GREAT. So I called the surgi

center to see

> what info they had and I was told that unfortunately " 700 records

were accidently

> destroyed and mine was one of them, Is this a conspiracy or what?

>

> I have lost the last 10 yrs of my life, I am a miserable cranky

person. I

> hurt like the rest of you. I have had my implants for 24 yrs,

thank God the

> right one ruptured last month during mammogram (that is another

story)! I am

> getting them out 7/22 and am hoping for the best.

>

> I have been digesting all this information for about 3 weeks now

and I am

> horrified, pissed, confused, you name it. If I continue typing I

am going to get

> really nasty so I will quit for now. God Blee You

All.......................

>

> LOVE, KATHIE

> LOOKING FORWARD TO FINDING MY

> GOOD HEALTH AGAIN

[Guest guest]

Kathie,

We're a really safe place to vent! . . . Boy oh boy,

do we understand!

You'll be able to find out what kind of implants you

had when they are removed . . . Dr. Blais will make

sure of that!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Lynda, i met doctor Woods through your advice. He was a wonderful man and I

thank god that he was the one that removed my implants. During my trial the

manufacturers brought in dr. s to testify. He said horrible things

about Dr. Woods. It broke my heart to hear the way the manufacturers went

after two dead doctors that where completley unable to defend them selves. I

only wish the Doctor Woods had family so they could go after Dr. s for

Slander! It's all in the coourt transcripts. i was very difficult finfding

his nurses almost ten years later but I did and we where able to set the

record straight. Thanks for the advice, Lana

>From: Lynda <coss@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:13:38 -0600

>

>Dr. Wood did several conferences for me, and we all liked him very

>much. I was in contact with him two months before the crash.

>

>Lynda

>

>

>At 02:39 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote:

> >Oh my God Lana ... this just made my skin crawl.

> >

> >I have always felt very uncomfortable regarding his death ... this

> >timing is frightening.

> >

> >I never met him but heard wonderful things about him.

> >

> >Ilena

> >

> >PS: Lana ... I remember seeing you and your kids on the Sally Jessie

> >Show ... I was with some other breast implant women and we cried

> >with you.

> >

> >

> >

> > > I lost my trail because my plastic surgeon, Dr. Graham WOODs was

> >killed in a

> > > helicopter crash and my medical records JUST DISSAPERED shortly

> >after his

> > > death. Lana No records no doctor no case!

> > > MY lung specialist died in a boating accident and my first plastic

> >surgeon

> > > died in his sleep in his fourties. I have a feeling that all of

> >the

> > > xerogrammography's that doctor Woods had were stolen. Lana

> > >

> > > >From: " Lea " <devans@c...>

> > > >Reply-

> > > >< >

> > > >Subject: Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

> > > >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:07:55 -0600

> > > >

> > > >That is why they destroy all the records, fires, floods and in

> >some cases

> > > >the plastic surgeon hides the records in their homes. I had a

> >lady tell me

> > > >a

> > > >few days ago that her plastic surgeon has died and the records

> >disappeared.

> > > >

> > > >This is criminal in my opinion....love...Lea

> > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``````

> > > > Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Irene,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sometimes I wonder about the responses we get from

> > > > > doctors. The party line they have been given is that

> > > > > breast implants are safe . . . They can't get in

> > > > > trouble by repeating that.

> > > > >

> > > > > If they do admit to the problems, it can open a bag of

> > > > > worms for them among their peers. I think this strange

> > > > > look may be reflecting those doubts/fears.

> > > > >

> > > > > One thing for sure, they do not want to put on your

> > > > > records that your implants made you sick - since they

> > > > > can't prove that themselves - then have to go to court

> > > > > on your behalf sometime in the future. Doctors hate to

> > > > > be put on that spot!

> > > > >

> > > > > Hugs,

> > > > >

> > > > > Rogene

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> >given by

> > > > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> >licensed

> > > > > health care professional before commencing any medical

> >treatment.

> > > > >

> > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> >mislead

> > > >you.

> > > > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> >how to

> > > >live

> > > > > a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> >ing,

> > > > > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Lea,

Did you know that you can go to the archives and read

all the old messages? . . . It takes a lot of time,

but it's doable. You don't need to save every message!

Love,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Glad it worked out, Melody Mello was the one who introduced me to him.

Lynda

At 05:26 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote:

>Lynda, i met doctor Woods through your advice. He was a wonderful man and I

>thank god that he was the one that removed my implants. During my trial the

>manufacturers brought in dr. s to testify. He said horrible things

>about Dr. Woods. It broke my heart to hear the way the manufacturers went

>after two dead doctors that where completley unable to defend them selves. I

>only wish the Doctor Woods had family so they could go after Dr. s for

>Slander! It's all in the coourt transcripts. i was very difficult finfding

>his nurses almost ten years later but I did and we where able to set the

>record straight. Thanks for the advice, Lana

>

> >From: Lynda <coss@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

> >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:13:38 -0600

> >

> >Dr. Wood did several conferences for me, and we all liked him very

> >much. I was in contact with him two months before the crash.

> >

> >Lynda

> >

> >

> >At 02:39 PM 6/30/2005, you wrote:

> > >Oh my God Lana ... this just made my skin crawl.

> > >

> > >I have always felt very uncomfortable regarding his death ... this

> > >timing is frightening.

> > >

> > >I never met him but heard wonderful things about him.

> > >

> > >Ilena

> > >

> > >PS: Lana ... I remember seeing you and your kids on the Sally Jessie

> > >Show ... I was with some other breast implant women and we cried

> > >with you.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > I lost my trail because my plastic surgeon, Dr. Graham WOODs was

> > >killed in a

> > > > helicopter crash and my medical records JUST DISSAPERED shortly

> > >after his

> > > > death. Lana No records no doctor no case!

> > > > MY lung specialist died in a boating accident and my first plastic

> > >surgeon

> > > > died in his sleep in his fourties. I have a feeling that all of

> > >the

> > > > xerogrammography's that doctor Woods had were stolen. Lana

> > > >

> > > > >From: " Lea " <devans@c...>

> > > > >Reply-

> > > > >< >

> > > > >Subject: Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

> > > > >Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 08:07:55 -0600

> > > > >

> > > > >That is why they destroy all the records, fires, floods and in

> > >some cases

> > > > >the plastic surgeon hides the records in their homes. I had a

> > >lady tell me

> > > > >a

> > > > >few days ago that her plastic surgeon has died and the records

> > >disappeared.

> > > > >

> > > > >This is criminal in my opinion....love...Lea

> > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``````

> > > > > Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > Irene,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sometimes I wonder about the responses we get from

> > > > > > doctors. The party line they have been given is that

> > > > > > breast implants are safe . . . They can't get in

> > > > > > trouble by repeating that.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If they do admit to the problems, it can open a bag of

> > > > > > worms for them among their peers. I think this strange

> > > > > > look may be reflecting those doubts/fears.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One thing for sure, they do not want to put on your

> > > > > > records that your implants made you sick - since they

> > > > > > can't prove that themselves - then have to go to court

> > > > > > on your behalf sometime in the future. Doctors hate to

> > > > > > be put on that spot!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hugs,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rogene

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > >given by

> > > > > > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > >licensed

> > > > > > health care professional before commencing any medical

> > >treatment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > >mislead

> > > > >you.

> > > > > > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about

> > >how to

> > > > >live

> > > > > > a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus

> > >ing,

> > > > > > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

What are the website addresses I've never seen them. lana

>From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:33:37 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Lea,

>

>Did you know that you can go to the archives and read

>all the old messages? . . . It takes a lot of time,

>but it's doable. You don't need to save every message!

>

>Love,

>

>Rogene

>

>

[Guest guest]

We have just come in and I'm going to bed. I would love to see the sites,

but I'm not sure how to get in. This morning I tried to go to EBay to see

what Lana put out, but no luck...thank you...love you....Lea

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`````````

Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

>>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:33:37 -0700 (PDT)

>>

>>Lea,

>>

>>Did you know that you can go to the archives and read

>>all the old messages? . . . It takes a lot of time,

>>but it's doable. You don't need to save every message!

>>

>>Love,

>>

>>Rogene

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

> a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Honey, I'm so sorry that I did not respond to this very sad message. Please

forgive me, lawyers have messed up my day. Lana, I have never heard of this

doctor, but he sounds like he was very special.....love you.....Lea

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~```

Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

>>

>>

>> > Irene,

>> >

>> > Sometimes I wonder about the responses we get from

>> > doctors. The party line they have been given is that

>> > breast implants are safe . . . They can't get in

>> > trouble by repeating that.

>> >

>> > If they do admit to the problems, it can open a bag of

>> > worms for them among their peers. I think this strange

>> > look may be reflecting those doubts/fears.

>> >

>> > One thing for sure, they do not want to put on your

>> > records that your implants made you sick - since they

>> > can't prove that themselves - then have to go to court

>> > on your behalf sometime in the future. Doctors hate to

>> > be put on that spot!

>> >

>> > Hugs,

>> >

>> > Rogene

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

>> > licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

>> > health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>> >

>> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead

>>you.

>> > Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to

>>live

>> > a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

>> > two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathie,

Welcome to the group!

I am also very happy to hear you are having the implants removed!

I had a complete saline rupture also... Its so important to get them

removed properly as Kathy just pointed out! I got into the hands of

what I thought was a very good plastic surgeon (director of UofM

hospital in Michigan--but they left the capsules in!!! I ended up

having to go through a whole other sugery! It's sad that we have to

possibly travel or have extra expences to get to the right doctors,

but it is soo worth it... I've had extra health problems because

they were not removed properly.

This is a great group and all these women really know how to help you.

I hope you will see some wonderful changes in your health soon!

HUGS, Rosie =)

> > Dear Friends, I have to comment on this topic because it hits

> home. When MDL

> > announced their class action suit back in 95 or 96 I called my

> ps's office

> > and requested my op note so I could see what kind of saline

> implants I had. My

> > ps also died shortly after implantation. I was told that he did

> not dictate

> > an op note before he died, JUST GREAT. So I called the surgi

> center to see

> > what info they had and I was told that unfortunately " 700 records

> were accidently

> > destroyed and mine was one of them, Is this a conspiracy or what?

> >

> > I have lost the last 10 yrs of my life, I am a miserable cranky

> person. I

> > hurt like the rest of you. I have had my implants for 24 yrs,

> thank God the

> > right one ruptured last month during mammogram (that is another

> story)! I am

> > getting them out 7/22 and am hoping for the best.

> >

> > I have been digesting all this information for about 3 weeks now

> and I am

> > horrified, pissed, confused, you name it. If I continue typing I

> am going to get

> > really nasty so I will quit for now. God Blee You

> All.......................

> >

> > LOVE, KATHIE

> > LOOKING FORWARD TO FINDING MY

> > GOOD HEALTH AGAIN

[Guest guest]

Dearest Rogene:

Where are the archives? I know that you must think that I am stupid, but I

do not know where they are. Have a happy day...love you....Lea

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

Re: Re: Question to the group - Irene

>>Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 16:33:37 -0700 (PDT)

>>

>>Lea,

>>

>>Did you know that you can go to the archives and read

>>all the old messages? . . . It takes a lot of time,

>>but it's doable. You don't need to save every message!

>>

>>Love,

>>

>>Rogene

>>

>>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

> a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>