Re: so long

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Nina,

Why is so upset with you?

susan J

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>From: Ceallachqn@...

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>Hi everyone,

>Just wanted to say so long to everyone and wish you all improved health. I

>have gained good information here but am tired of feeling stressed out

>every

>time I open my e-mail. I have blocked certain members from my e-mail

>because

>of their immaturity and revenge based behavior. Quite frankly, I don't

>need

>to deal with it.

>

>I would be happy to hear from some of you all if you have time to write

>outside of the list! Those of you who are blocked know who you are so

>don't

>bother. It seems a shame to me that an area that needs more addressing,

>herbs, draws such hateful responses. This is the problem with a little

>knowledge.

>

>---------------------------

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Hi everyone,

Just wanted to say so long to everyone and wish you all improved health. I

have gained good information here but am tired of feeling stressed out every

time I open my e-mail. I have blocked certain members from my e-mail because

of their immaturity and revenge based behavior. Quite frankly, I don't need

to deal with it.

I would be happy to hear from some of you all if you have time to write

outside of the list! Those of you who are blocked know who you are so don't

bother. It seems a shame to me that an area that needs more addressing,

herbs, draws such hateful responses. This is the problem with a little

knowledge.

[Guest guest]

,

I am sorry that you've chosen to leave the list. This list should certainly

not be a source for more stress. None of us needs that. This can be

difficult sometimes because some of the issues we discuss are emotionally

charged, especially with how insidious this disease can be. However, in the

year that I have been a part of this list, rarely have I found anyone to be

offensive, even when I didn't agree with their philosophy or believe that

their ideas or practices were for me. I would encourage you to take a big

breath and stay with us. Your participation is valuable.

Warmly, Roxanne

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DONT GO PLEASE

J

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>Subject: Re: [ ] So long

>Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 23:03:48 -0400

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>,

>

>Many of us would like you to stay. Your knowledge and research is a benefit

>to

>this group. It is important that we hear from people who are trying

>different

>approaches to treat this ailment. Especially when it's working. It gives us

>hope

>that we may have more than one option. Please rethink your decision.

>

>

>

>

>

>Ceallachqn@... wrote:

>

> > From: Ceallachqn@...

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> > Just wanted to say so long to everyone and wish you all improved health.

> I

> > have gained good information here but am tired of feeling stressed out

>every

> > time I open my e-mail. I have blocked certain members from my e-mail

>because

> > of their immaturity and revenge based behavior. Quite frankly, I don't

>need

> > to deal with it.

> >

> > I would be happy to hear from some of you all if you have time to write

> > outside of the list! Those of you who are blocked know who you are so

>don't

> > bother. It seems a shame to me that an area that needs more addressing,

> > herbs, draws such hateful responses. This is the problem with a little

> > knowledge.

> >

> > ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

,

Many of us would like you to stay. Your knowledge and research is a benefit to

this group. It is important that we hear from people who are trying different

approaches to treat this ailment. Especially when it's working. It gives us hope

that we may have more than one option. Please rethink your decision.

Ceallachqn@... wrote:

> From: Ceallachqn@...

>

> Hi everyone,

> Just wanted to say so long to everyone and wish you all improved health. I

> have gained good information here but am tired of feeling stressed out every

> time I open my e-mail. I have blocked certain members from my e-mail because

> of their immaturity and revenge based behavior. Quite frankly, I don't need

> to deal with it.

>

> I would be happy to hear from some of you all if you have time to write

> outside of the list! Those of you who are blocked know who you are so don't

> bother. It seems a shame to me that an area that needs more addressing,

> herbs, draws such hateful responses. This is the problem with a little

> knowledge.

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

I agree , please don't go, I think you have so much to offer the

group it would be a shame for you to leave. You are a real assett and I

think you would really suffer also not to have this support, and we would

suffer not to have your insight. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions

and beliefs. We value yours. PLEASE STAY!!!! Lori C. AIH Liver tx

3~11~97

Re: [ ] So long

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>>From: Urgolo <frank.urgolo@...>

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>>,

>>

>>Many of us would like you to stay. Your knowledge and research is a

benefit

>>to

>>this group. It is important that we hear from people who are trying

>>different

>>approaches to treat this ailment. Especially when it's working. It gives

us

>>hope

>>that we may have more than one option. Please rethink your decision.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>Ceallachqn@... wrote:

>>

>> > From: Ceallachqn@...

>> >

>> > Hi everyone,

>> > Just wanted to say so long to everyone and wish you all improved

health.

>> I

>> > have gained good information here but am tired of feeling stressed out

>>every

>> > time I open my e-mail. I have blocked certain members from my e-mail

>>because

>> > of their immaturity and revenge based behavior. Quite frankly, I don't

>>need

>> > to deal with it.

>> >

>> > I would be happy to hear from some of you all if you have time to write

>> > outside of the list! Those of you who are blocked know who you are so

>>don't

>> > bother. It seems a shame to me that an area that needs more

addressing,

>> > herbs, draws such hateful responses. This is the problem with a little

>> > knowledge.

>> >

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[Guest guest]

,

I believe you are over-reacting. I have a right to my opinions and you

have a right to yours. We can certainly agree to disagree on the herbal

topic. It's not a problem for me.

I do, however, dislike being threatened (I blocked your email ... I'm

going to complain to the monitor, etc.).

People are saying you are such a great resource. So why when I asked

you to cite your sources on what you were saying, did you tell me to go

find the info myself? You said you had cited this info many times.

However, you did not consider the fact that I have only been on this

list for about two weeks. So, I guess I wasn't here when you cited

them.

People often learn when they debate an issue.

Nina

[Guest guest]

,

I hate to see your or anyone leave this group for any reason except that

they feel so good they don't need the information and support the group has

to offer.

There are always going to be some differences of opinion. It's inevitable.

You know that I'm not interested in herbal remedies and that I even am

somewhat suspicious of them, but I try to keep my mind open and store away

the information for the future.

We're all adults and we have to reach our own conclusions about what's best

for us and what we feel most comfortable about turning to. I'm also not

religious but I take no offense at anyone's religious beliefs, expressed on

this forum, whether conventional or controversial. I hope that no one

thinks I'm some kind of a heathen. I'm really not.

For those who are interested in herbals, you have something to offer. Not

everyone is going to agree with you and some will be more outspoken about

it than others. Though it's hard not to take it personally, it really is

just a matter of different points of view. There's nothing wrong with

someone posting warnings about herbals any more than there's anything wrong

with you posting your successes. This is how we all learn - by listening

to both sides of a discussion.

But, the fact is that you have liver disease and you've been through a lot.

You need the support of the group and the group needs the input of your

experience even if it doesn't apply specifically to each of us. What none

of us, including you, needs is the emotional burden of hard feelings over

differences of opinion. It's not good for you to become stressed and upset

about something someone says nor is it good for anyone who disagrees with

you to feel under fire or stressed.

I have a nephew who has become involved with an evangelistic group. I

raised him Catholic, sent him to Catholic schools, but he's been a deeply

disturbed kid since before he came to live with us. Except for my husband

and I, this religious group - and they are radical, believe me - are the

first people who have never turned their backs on him when he's at his

worst. (He's been diagnosed as schizophrenic and as having bipolar

disorder.) Despite my total disbelief and disinterest in what Jeff now

espouses, I will not debate it with him. We have one rule and that he is

NOT to proselytize to me. He doesn't. I feel this way about many things.

I don't care what anyone thinks is " right " as long as they don't try to

push it down my throat and I admit I get a little huffy when there's an

implication that theirs is the only " right " belief.

I'm no Pollyanna and in fact can have a very short fuse myself, but all of

us have to have a high level of tolerance in this group because we have so

much to gain from each other - it's just not worth allowing ourselves to

harbor hard feelings.

I hope that you'll take a deep breath and reconsider. I also hope that

Nina won't in any way feel like an outcast. None of us should want to take

sides. I know I don't. My own opinions either way about the disagreement

will not appear on this list. The best thing to do is to put the

differences aside and move on. That's where all concerned will achieve

maximum dignity.

Take care (and forgive me if I'm now guilty of proselytizing!)

Geri

[Guest guest]

Geri,

I agree with you 100%. We are here to comfort and learn from each other...

(AIH)

[Guest guest]

I hope you will change your mind and stay. We all need each

other.

Pa.

[Guest guest]

Doug,

I thank you for bringing prolotherapy to my attention. I hadn't heard of it

before. Also, I agree with much of your advice and think that your list of 5

steps for chondromalacia victims is right on the money (except I don't fully

accept your exact definition of " Treatment. " And I think you are absolutely

correct in continually urging people to address the underlying problems that

cause their condition rather than just fix the symptoms.

Maybe Mark overreacted in flaming you the way he did, but you have to admit that

he was responding to a rather harsh posting that you made to him. In my opinion,

I thought that message was a bit of an overreaction considering that he wasn't

attacking you personally (as far as I could tell) but rather voicing skepticism

regarding prolotherapy.

I personally think he is right to be skeptical of prolotherapy, considering it

IS a controversial " fringe " treatment. I'm not saying it doesn't work, I think

we should be healthily skeptical of ALL " new " medical procedures, particularly

invasive procedure such as prolotherapy. At the same time, I think we need to

be open-minded about new methods and procedures. (Unfortunately, I think that

the medical community can be rather close-minded in this regard). Anyone who

takes 5 minutes to go to www.pubmed.com and do a search on " prolotherapy " will

see that although there is very little published research on prolotherapy, there

is enough support to at least warrant further study and not reject it out of

hand. The published studies to date are supportive of prolotherapy.

Personally, I would hope that we (meaning all of us who are subscribed to this

group) can engage in debate and disagree (even bluntly and vehemently at times)

without things getting personal.

Chris

P.S. It goes without saying that all of the above is just my opinion and

everyone is free to disagree...

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/20/2005 8:33:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, schaffe88@... writes:

Who will help me fight the trouble makers???

Beth, you know I will help you!

"Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole." - Caras 

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

Please dont leave we all need each other .

You have some really good input in this group and would be very much missed.

Dont go PLEASE.

Love Sue

[Guest guest]

Dearest Dawn:

Please do not leave, you are so important to this group. Our Patty will be

very unhappy if we all leave. The people who are causing the trouble should

leave...not you. I was angry last night and wanted to leave too, but

told me that to leave will make the trouble makers happy.

Honey, please stay because we all need you.

Love always...Lea

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``

so long

>I would just like to let the majority of you know how immensely you

> have helped me. If not for your help and kind words I would not have

> made it to where I am today.

>

> For now though, For my own health I feel it is better if I unsubscribe

> from the group.

>

> I would like to say good bye, good luck and best wishes. And ,

> Good luck .. you are going to do great... you are going to be in good

> hands.

>

> Love....

> Dawn

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

> a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Dawn,

What a wonderful human being you are. I'm just so sorry that you are leaving.

Who will help me fight the trouble makers???

I'm going to miss you!

Beth S.

"Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole." - Caras

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[Guest guest]

please dawn do not leave the group. us newbe's need all of the support we can get.

Toni

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[Guest guest]

I personally think trouble should be ignored. there was a saying my grandma used to say---something about getting your goat?

Toni__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Dawn,

Hopefully this is an old message! . . .

We need you and want you here! . . . Please stick

around. You're an inspiration to women who are

confronting surgery!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene