GSE and have consulted my library

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Here goes... See, I don't completely trust what I find on the internet because sometimes the information is slanted for reasons that are not known to the lay reader... therefore over the past few years I have collected quite a collection of books on herbal remedies, detoxing, thyroid disorders, etc. I am going to give you a couple of excerpts from known authors about GSE as this is where I get my information.

I got this book at the Wild Oats Market (organic food place) by Dr. Feng's office

The Detox Solution by Dr. Fitzgerald

pg.302 Additional Herbal Formulas [for fighting candida]

Some natural substances with antifungal and anti parasitic properties include:

Wormwood:......................

Black Walnut:...............

Quassia:...............

Clove:....................

Grapefruit Seed Extract: This substance has been extensively researched for its extremely potent broad spectrum antibacterial, antifungal, anti parasitic, and antiviral compounds.

Caprylic Acid, Undelcylenic Acid, Pau D' Arco

If you suspect a yeast and/parasite involvement, using a formula with herbs similar to those above might help you feel better. Follow the directions on the package. If you suspect a significant problem, please do not try to treat yourself. See a qualified health professional who is familiar with the yeast and parasite testing and treatment protocol.

The Woman's book of Healing Herbs, secrets from 90 top Herbal Healers by Sari Harrar and Sara Altshul O'Donnell

pg. 189 From conversation with Wingo, R. N. "Natural grapefruit seed extract works wonders for bacterial infections of the mouth such as canker sores, say Wingo. Daby some right on the sore a few times a day or add five drops to a glass of water and swish the sloution around in your mouth three times a day, she suggests. " It's very bitter," Wingo says, "but it really works." Grapefruit seed extract is available in health food stores."

Complete Candida Yeast Guide Book Revised 2nd Edition by Jeanne Marie with Zoltan P. Rona, M.D.

pg.77 Parasites

One reason for the failure of antifungal therapies is the presence of an undiagnosed infection with parasites...............

"Every patient with disorderso of immune function, including multiple allergies, patients with unexplained fatigue, or with chronic bowel symptoms, should be evaluated for the presence of intestinal parasites."........................

Natural herbal remedies are available to treat the growing epidemic of these parasites in the North American population. Remedies include artemisia annua, berberine, GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT, cloves, black walnut, pumpkin seeds, chinchona, and garlic.

So those are just a few. The others I have.. one by Murray, ND goes into the heart protective effects of the flavonoids (procyanidins) found in grape seed, grape fruit seed and pine bark. Dr. Atkins Vita Nutrient Solution also goes into the same thing about the anti oxidant/ heart protection issue.

So, that's about it. I can't really take what I read on the internet TOO seriously not knowing the source... I am sure you agree!

Dawn

Kenda Skaggs & lt;kdskaggs@... & gt; wrote: Hi,Here is some info that posted regarding the safety, or lack thereof, of GSE on another list. The author is a chemist. It’s pretty scary.KendaSave your money. Grapefruit seed extract is a waste of time andmoney.There is absolutely no scientific data to suggest there is any anti-microbial activity in GSE. Samples of material claiming to be GSEactually were proven to be "adulterated" with triclosan, an anti-microbial that actually does work.Beyond that, there is a caution to be had with the use of GSE. It isan endocrine disrupting ingredient, meaning it can alter the wayyour endocrine operates. In this case, GSE, being a seed extract,wants to keep anything that will destroy it from reproducing. In thefield, roaming animals would munch upon the fruits and therefore

theseeds. In order to keep the roaming animals from overcoming theplant, the seeds have a built-in mechanism that shuts down theanimals' reproductive process. In small amounts, there is probablynot much damage done to whomever handles or uses the material,however, in concentration, such as you would handle in the making ofa lotion, let's say, the danger is real.In a nutshell, I would rather stay as far away from GSE as humanlypossible. Use something that is proven to work, rather than take therisk and know your product is completely unprotected.You can find more information about the problems inherent with GSEat http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/askthechemist.html

Anita I'm telling you, I am losing it...I meant grapefruit seed extract. The whole time I was writing grape seed I felt like I was missing a word or something... and I was! Okay, so now we learned alittle bit about GRAPEFRUIT SEED! Thanks Anita! I'm doing alot of dumb things lately.. don't know what is going on! Dawn anita kessler & lt;AnitaK001@... & gt; wrote:

Dawn,Do you mean grape seed or grapefruit seed extract? Anita

----- Original Message -----From: Dawn ASent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Re: Milk Thistle and Grape Seed Extract - Dawn Hi Beth, I know that Pam did alternative therapy... but she refused to divulge what exactly she did. There was some information that she was doing Intravenous Therapy but I don't know what was in the IV.... Probably l-glutathione for one since that is used very often to get the liver back in shape. My doc uses glutathione in my IV's.. I don't have hepatitis... just at the time alot of toxins. Yep, Grape seed extract is also excellent at killing thrush, which is yeast in your mouth (you knew that!) and it can be used vaginally.. but not straight up or there could be some serious burning goin' on. For thrush it can be taken straight and swished around in the mouth. Are you still bloated? I

suffered miserably from severe bloating while I had the implants in. It has finally completely dissipated. The bloating I had was exacerbated by food allergies... so I had food allergy testing done and avoided those foods... although I found I am allergic to things... like coffee that didn't show on the test so now I just avoid it. I have read alot about bloating and edema since I had it so bad and some say that this can be caused by your body being overwhelmed by toxins, particularily your liver being overwhelmed with toxins. Another thing that my doctor has beat into my head is that disease begins in the colon and travels upward affecting your liver, kidneys, lungs, spleen, heart. He is big on getting the S_ _ T out! Do you do any type of colon cleansing at this point? Dawn "Beth S." & lt;schaffe88@com & gt; wrote:

Hi Dawn, Interesting. I had no idea. I knew that Milk Thistle was good for the liver and that is why I bought it. I didn't know that grape seed could fight candida. I thought that it was good for fighting free radicals. I got all of my information from Colleen M. I had asked her what she took since she had that extreme bloating like I had so I went out and bought everything that she takes. I wonder if that is what Pamela took She claimed to have hepatitis and was going to go on interferon but didn't. She said that exercise and diet helped her. I thought she was full of crap. Maybe her doctor put her on milk thistle. Thanks for the info.Beth S. "Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole." - Caras

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Hi Kenda,

Right, I haven't heard of it being used long term and too much of anything is never a good thing! I have heard of GSE being used in an antifungal rotation regimen where you go for example three days on caprylic acid, then switch to three days colloidal silver, three days wild oregano then GSE, etc. Some people have yeast that are become highly resistant to antifungals quickly.... also some people actually become sensitive to the antifungal so that is why this rotation is done. I'm sure you've already heard of this.

Dawn

Kenda Skaggs & lt;kdskaggs@... & gt; wrote: Hi Dawn.I completely agree and I do know the source, very well. It’s one chemist’s opinion that could be right or wrong, I don’t know. I still use GSE because it is very effective at what I use it for. I wouldn’t want to use it long term, just in case he’s right.Kenda

Here goes... See, I don't completely trust what I find on the internet because sometimes the information is slanted for reasons that are not known to the lay reader... therefore over the past few years I have collected quite a collection of books on herbal remedies, detoxing, thyroid disorders, etc. I am going to give you a couple of excerpts from known authors about GSE as this is where I get my information. I got this book at the Wild Oats Market (organic food place) by Dr. Feng's office The Detox Solution by Dr. Fitzgerald pg.302 Additional Herbal Formulas [for fighting candida] Some natural substances with antifungal and anti parasitic properties include: Wormwood:...................... Black Walnut:............... Quassia:............... Clove:.................... Grapefruit Seed Extract: This substance has been extensively researched for its extremely potent broad

spectrum antibacterial, antifungal, anti parasitic, and antiviral compounds. Caprylic Acid, Undelcylenic Acid, Pau D' Arco If you suspect a yeast and/parasite involvement, using a formula with herbs similar to those above might help you feel better. Follow the directions on the package. If you suspect a significant problem, please do not try to treat yourself. See a qualified health professional who is familiar with the yeast and parasite testing and treatment protocol. The Woman's book of Healing Herbs, secrets from 90 top Herbal Healers by Sari Harrar and Sara Altshul O'Donnell pg. 189 From conversation with Wingo, R. N. "Natural grapefruit seed extract works wonders for bacterial infections of the mouth such as canker sores, say Wingo. Daby some right on the sore a few times a day or add five drops to a glass of water and swish the sloution around in your mouth three times a day, she suggests. " It's very bitter," Wingo says, "but it

really works." Grapefruit seed extract is available in health food stores." Complete Candida Yeast Guide Book Revised 2nd Edition by Jeanne Marie with Zoltan P. Rona, M.D. pg.77 Parasites One reason for the failure of antifungal therapies is the presence of an undiagnosed infection with parasites............... "Every patient with disorderso of immune function, including multiple allergies, patients with unexplained fatigue, or with chronic bowel symptoms, should be evaluated for the presence of intestinal parasites."........................ Natural herbal remedies are available to treat the growing epidemic of these parasites in the North American population. Remedies include artemisia annua, berberine, GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT, cloves, black walnut, pumpkin seeds, chinchona, and garlic. So those are just a few. The others I have.. one by Murray, ND goes into the heart protective effects of the flavonoids (procyanidins)

found in grape seed, grape fruit seed and pine bark. Dr. Atkins Vita Nutrient Solution also goes into the same thing about the anti oxidant/ heart protection issue. So, that's about it. I can't really take what I read on the internet TOO seriously not knowing the source... I am sure you agree! Dawn Kenda Skaggs & lt;kdskaggs@... & gt; wrote:

Hi,Here is some info that posted regarding the safety, or lack thereof, of GSE on another list. The author is a chemist. It’s pretty scary.KendaSave your money. Grapefruit seed extract is a waste of time andmoney.There is absolutely no scientific data to suggest there is any anti-microbial activity in GSE. Samples of material claiming to be GSEactually were proven to be "adulterated" with triclosan, an anti-microbial that actually does work.Beyond that, there is a caution to be had with the use of GSE. It isan endocrine disrupting ingredient, meaning it can alter the wayyour endocrine operates. In this case, GSE, being a seed extract,wants to keep anything that will destroy it from reproducing. In thefield, roaming animals would munch upon the fruits and th erefore theseeds. In order to keep the roaming animals from overcoming

theplant, the seeds have a built-in mechanism that shuts down theanimals' reproductive process. In small amounts, there is probablynot much damage done to whomever handles or uses the material,however, in concentration, such as you would handle in the making ofa lotion, let's say, the danger is real.In a nutshell, I would rather stay as far away from GSE as humanlypossible. Use something that is proven to work, rather than take therisk and know your product is completely unprotected.You can find more information about the problems inherent with GSEat http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/askthechemist.html

Anita I'm telling you, I am losing it...I meant grapefruit seed extract. The whole time I was writing grape seed I felt like I was missing a word or something... and I was! Okay, so now we learned alittle bit about GRAPEFRUIT SEED! Thanks Anita! I'm doing alot of dumb things lately.. don't know what is going on! Dawn anita kessler & lt;AnitaK001@... & gt; wrote:

Dawn,Do you mean grape seed or grapefruit seed extract? Anita

----- Original Message -----From: Dawn ASent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Re: Milk Thistle and Grape Seed Extract - Dawn Hi Beth, I know that Pam did alternative therapy... but she refused to divulge what exactly she did. There was some information that she was doing Intravenous Therapy but I don't know what was in the IV.... Probably l-glutathione for one since that is used very often to get the liver back in shape. My doc uses glutathione in my IV's.. I don't have hepatitis... just at the time alot of toxins. Yep, Grape seed extract is also excellent at killing thrush, which is yeast in your mouth (you knew that!) and it can be used vaginally.. but not straight up or there could be some serious burning goin' on. For thrush it can be taken straight and swished around in the mouth. Are you still bloat ed? I

suffered miserably from severe bloating while I had the implants in. It has finally completely dissipated. The bloating I had was exacerbated by food allergies... so I had food allergy testing done and avoided those foods... although I found I am allergic to things... like coffee that didn't show on the test so now I just avoid it. I have read alot about bloating and edema since I had it so bad and some say that this can be caused by your body being overwhelmed by toxins, particularily your liver being overwhelmed with toxins. Another thing that my doctor has beat into my head is that disease begins in the colon and travels upward affecting your liver, kidneys, lungs, spleen, heart. He is big on getting the S_ _ T out! Do you do any type of colon cleansing at this point? Dawn "Beth S." & lt;schaffe88@com & gt; wrote:

Hi Dawn, Interesting. I had no idea. I knew that Milk Thistle was good for the liver and that is why I bought it. I didn't know that grape seed could fight candida. I thought that it was good for fighting free radicals. I got all of my information from Colleen M. I had asked her what she took since she had that extreme bloating like I had so I went out and bought everything that she takes. I wonder if that is what Pamela took She claimed to have hepatitis and was going to go on interferon but didn't. She said that exercise and diet helped her. I thought she was full of crap. Maybe her doctor put her on milk thistle. Thanks for the info.Beth S. "Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole." - Caras

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn.

I completely agree and I do know the source, very well. It’s one chemist’s opinion that could be right or wrong, I don’t know. I still use GSE because it is very effective at what I use it for. I wouldn’t want to use it long term, just in case he’s right.

Kenda

Here goes... See, I don't completely trust what I find on the internet because sometimes the information is slanted for reasons that are not known to the lay reader... therefore over the past few years I have collected quite a collection of books on herbal remedies, detoxing, thyroid disorders, etc. I am going to give you a couple of excerpts from known authors about GSE as this is where I get my information.

I got this book at the Wild Oats Market (organic food place) by Dr. Feng's office

The Detox Solution by Dr. Fitzgerald

pg.302 Additional Herbal Formulas [for fighting candida]

Some natural substances with antifungal and anti parasitic properties include:

Wormwood:......................

Black Walnut:...............

Quassia:...............

Clove:....................

Grapefruit Seed Extract: This substance has been extensively researched for its extremely potent broad spectrum antibacterial, antifungal, anti parasitic, and antiviral compounds.

Caprylic Acid, Undelcylenic Acid, Pau D' Arco

If you suspect a yeast and/parasite involvement, using a formula with herbs similar to those above might help you feel better. Follow the directions on the package. If you suspect a significant problem, please do not try to treat yourself. See a qualified health professional who is familiar with the yeast and parasite testing and treatment protocol.

The Woman's book of Healing Herbs, secrets from 90 top Herbal Healers by Sari Harrar and Sara Altshul O'Donnell

pg. 189 From conversation with Wingo, R. N. " Natural grapefruit seed extract works wonders for bacterial infections of the mouth such as canker sores, say Wingo. Daby some right on the sore a few times a day or add five drops to a glass of water and swish the sloution around in your mouth three times a day, she suggests. " It's very bitter, " Wingo says, " but it really works. " Grapefruit seed extract is available in health food stores. "

Complete Candida Yeast Guide Book Revised 2nd Edition by Jeanne Marie with Zoltan P. Rona, M.D.

pg.77 Parasites

One reason for the failure of antifungal therapies is the presence of an undiagnosed infection with parasites...............

" Every patient with disorderso of immune function, including multiple allergies, patients with unexplained fatigue, or with chronic bowel symptoms, should be evaluated for the presence of intestinal parasites. " ........................

Natural herbal remedies are available to treat the growing epidemic of these parasites in the North American population. Remedies include artemisia annua, berberine, GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT, cloves, black walnut, pumpkin seeds, chinchona, and garlic.

So those are just a few. The others I have.. one by Murray, ND goes into the heart protective effects of the flavonoids (procyanidins) found in grape seed, grape fruit seed and pine bark. Dr. Atkins Vita Nutrient Solution also goes into the same thing about the anti oxidant/ heart protection issue.

So, that's about it. I can't really take what I read on the internet TOO seriously not knowing the source... I am sure you agree!

Dawn

Kenda Skaggs & lt;kdskaggs@... & gt; wrote:

Hi,

Here is some info that posted regarding the safety, or lack thereof, of GSE on another list. The author is a chemist. It’s pretty scary.

Kenda

Save your money. Grapefruit seed extract is a waste of time and

money.

There is absolutely no scientific data to suggest there is any anti-

microbial activity in GSE. Samples of material claiming to be GSE

actually were proven to be " adulterated " with triclosan, an anti-

microbial that actually does work.

Beyond that, there is a caution to be had with the use of GSE. It is

an endocrine disrupting ingredient, meaning it can alter the way

your endocrine operates. In this case, GSE, being a seed extract,

wants to keep anything that will destroy it from reproducing. In the

field, roaming animals would munch upon the fruits and th erefore the

seeds. In order to keep the roaming animals from overcoming the

plant, the seeds have a built-in mechanism that shuts down the

animals' reproductive process. In small amounts, there is probably

not much damage done to whomever handles or uses the material,

however, in concentration, such as you would handle in the making of

a lotion, let's say, the danger is real.

In a nutshell, I would rather stay as far away from GSE as humanly

possible. Use something that is proven to work, rather than take the

risk and know your product is completely unprotected.

You can find more information about the problems inherent with GSE

at http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/askthechemist.html

Anita

I'm telling you, I am losing it...I meant grapefruit seed extract. The whole time I was writing grape seed I felt like I was missing a word or something... and I was! Okay, so now we learned alittle bit about GRAPEFRUIT SEED! Thanks Anita! I'm doing alot of dumb things lately.. don't know what is going on!

Dawn

anita kessler & lt;AnitaK001@... & gt; wrote:

Dawn,

Do you mean grape seed or grapefruit seed extract? Anita

Re: Re: Milk Thistle and Grape Seed Extract - Dawn

Hi Beth,

I know that Pam did alternative therapy... but she refused to divulge what exactly she did. There was some information that she was doing Intravenous Therapy but I don't know what was in the IV.... Probably l-glutathione for one since that is used very often to get the liver back in shape. My doc uses glutathione in my IV's.. I don't have hepatitis... just at the time alot of toxins.

Yep, Grape seed extract is also excellent at killing thrush, which is yeast in your mouth (you knew that!) and it can be used vaginally.. but not straight up or there could be some serious burning goin' on. For thrush it can be taken straight and swished around in the mouth.

Are you still bloat ed? I suffered miserably from severe bloating while I had the implants in. It has finally completely dissipated. The bloating I had was exacerbated by food allergies... so I had food allergy testing done and avoided those foods... although I found I am allergic to things... like coffee that didn't show on the test so now I just avoid it.

I have read alot about bloating and edema since I had it so bad and some say that this can be caused by your body being overwhelmed by toxins, particularily your liver being overwhelmed with toxins.

Another thing that my doctor has beat into my head is that disease begins in the colon and travels upward affecting your liver, kidneys, lungs, spleen, heart. He is big on getting the S_ _ T out!

Do you do any type of colon cleansing at this point?

Dawn

" Beth S. " & lt;schaffe88@com & gt; wrote:

Hi Dawn,

Interesting. I had no idea. I knew that Milk Thistle was good for the liver and that is why I bought it. I didn't know that grape seed could fight candida. I thought that it was good for fighting free radicals. I got all of my information from Colleen M. I had asked her what she took since she had that extreme bloating like I had so I went out and bought everything that she takes.

I wonder if that is what Pamela took She claimed to have hepatitis and was going to go on interferon but didn't. She said that exercise and diet helped her. I thought she was full of crap. Maybe her doctor put her on milk thistle.

Thanks for the info.

Beth S.

" Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole. " - Caras

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