Re: Re: Milk Thistle and Grape Seed-Anita Beth

June 23, 2005

Hi Kenda,

Like I was saying to Beth, GSE is a pretty powerful substance. I went to the site you had listed and they sell soap. Here is some information on GSE from both sides of the spectrum... this just happens to relate to animals or humans. And, if I were to recommend an antifungal to someone it would not necessarily be Grapefruit seed extract, although it wipes out Thrush quite effectively if used properly and under the advise of an herbalist or ND. That is the absolute first time I've ever heard of the endocrine disruptor thing... but hey, with anything, including herbal remedies you have to use your head... some things we think are the truth are really not the truth at all and are only of the benefit of the person relaying the information! Thanks for the information.

Dawn

Grapefruit Seed Extract: A Panacea?

By McWatters, Ph.D., C.N.C.

Grapefruit seed extract (Citrus paradisi) has been touted to be useful for just about anything that ails you. The parts used for its medicinal purposes are the fruit peel, pulp and seeds, but the leaves may also be used. GSE has been shown to kill many types of microbes that cause harm to the body, but no studies have been able to prove how it can affect the cell membranes of such a diverse group of microbes with no toxicity toward animals. It is classified as an antibacterial, antiviral, antifungal, antiparasitic, antiseptic and more.

GSE has also been found to be an effective disinfectant in both human and veterinary hospitals. As a cleaning agent GSE can be used for disinfecting countertops, brooders, incubators, cooking utensils, feeding instruments, perches and so forth.

GSE contains phenolic compounds, bioflavonoids, amino acids, fatty acids, tocopherols, saccarides, ascorbic acid and dehydroascorbic acids. The phenolic compounds are unstable but are chemically converted into more stable substances that belong to a diverse class of products called quaternary ammonium compounds. Standardized GSE has the chemical name diphenol hydroxybenzene and is used by prescription in Germany. The chemical structure of the compounds produced by GSE is not fully documented; so much more investigation of GSE is needed in this area.

In the holistic pet world the use of GSE began with cat and dog owners using it to disinfect and remove the bacteria from raw meat (i.e., poultry and fish). Shortly thereafter it became popular for bird owners to use it to keep sprouted seeds from developing bacteria and fungi. Naturally, it must be used in appropriate amounts to be effective for these purposes. GSE can also be used as an internal medicine, but must be used very carefully for the appropriate health conditions and in the correct dosage.

With herbal products, at one extreme dosage matters little, and at the other it is critical. Many times herbal medicine uses foods e.g., pineapple, papaya, ginger, parsley, thyme, and sage where dosage has little matter. Other herbs, such as goldenseal, comfrey, valerian, horsetail, St. ’s wort, licorice, and ephedra are in the middle to extreme end where the dosage must be carefully chosen. Too much or even too little won’t have the expected effect. I consider GSE to be in the same category as the herbs I list above in the middle to extreme end.

GSE is a potent acid with the same pH as your stomach (2.0 - 3.0). This acidity is where its potency comes from. Any substance that has a very acidic nature can cause harm to the mucous membranes. I wouldn’t recommend that such an acidic substance be used internally for a bird/animal/human with ulcers or irritation/inflammation of the intestinal mucosa. It is GSE’s extreme acidity that can cause harm internally if used unwisely.

I also would not use GSE for baby birds or very young birds (before weaning) due to their delicate intestinal tracts. Accordingly, I do not recommend any highly acidic food or product be used for very young birds. If greatly diluted it may not cause any harm, but it also probably won’t do much good.

Often an herb’s value is found when enough is used to be beneficial, but not so much as to be toxic. So, in other words, there is a fine line between what is useful and what is harmful when using many types of herbs. If used with knowledge, caution and guidance, GSE can be very beneficial for specific types of ailments, but a complete history must be taken and lab work performed to help determine if GSE is the right substance to be used in the first place.

GSE is a VERY powerful substance that should be saved for serious illness and it can be harmful if used inappropriately. GSE acts as an antibiotic in the true sense – antibiotic means anti-life. While it is believed that GSE has no harmful effect on the beneficial bacteria, if given internally in excessive doses over a long-term period it can kill off all intestinal bacteria much as broad-spectrum antibiotics do, with the same adverse effects. NOTE: GSE should never be used in the eyes. The extract can cause severe eye irritation. In humans, caution is recommended during pregnancy.

GSE comes in many forms, including capsules, tablets and liquid. In my practice, I recommend its use at a very low dose, specifically calculated for each bird. The dose must be carefully calculated for the weight of each bird, the illness being treated and the stage and length of the illness. I have effectively used it in the treatment of certain resistant strains of bacteria and also with certain viruses. It is most palatable if given with orange or grapefruit juice. Externally, I found it effective for skin infections.

I do not recommend the liquid form at all for internal use in birds. When I suggest the use of GSE in a nutritional healing program for one of my clients’ birds, it is in the powder form, in a very low strength, and is combined with herbs that are soothing to the intestinal tract. This program always includes a diet of fresh whole foods.

In essence, GSE is a natural broad-spectrum antimicrobial. It is non-toxic only if used properly, just like any other herbal medicine. If not diluted correctly, problems will result. GSE should only be used with the guidance of a qualified health practitioner when used internally. Just because it is a natural substance doesn't automatically mean it is safe.

Kenda Skaggs & lt;kdskaggs@... & gt; wrote: Hi,Here is some info that posted regarding the safety, or lack thereof, of GSE on another list. The author is a chemist. It’s pretty scary.KendaSave your money. Grapefruit seed extract is a waste of time andmoney.There is absolutely no scientific data to suggest there is any anti-microbial activity in GSE. Samples of material claiming to be GSEactually were proven to be "adulterated" with triclosan, an anti-microbial that actually does work.Beyond that, there is a caution to be had with the use of GSE. It isan endocrine disrupting ingredient, meaning it can alter the wayyour endocrine operates. In this case, GSE, being a seed extract,wants to keep anything that will destroy it from reproducing. In thefield, roaming animals would munch upon the fruits and therefore

theseeds. In order to keep the roaming animals from overcoming theplant, the seeds have a built-in mechanism that shuts down theanimals' reproductive process. In small amounts, there is probablynot much damage done to whomever handles or uses the material,however, in concentration, such as you would handle in the making ofa lotion, let's say, the danger is real.In a nutshell, I would rather stay as far away from GSE as humanlypossible. Use something that is proven to work, rather than take therisk and know your product is completely unprotected.You can find more information about the problems inherent with GSEat http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/askthechemist.html

Anita I'm telling you, I am losing it...I meant grapefruit seed extract. The whole time I was writing grape seed I felt like I was missing a word or something... and I was! Okay, so now we learned alittle bit about GRAPEFRUIT SEED! Thanks Anita! I'm doing alot of dumb things lately.. don't know what is going on! Dawn anita kessler & lt;AnitaK001@... & gt; wrote:

Dawn,Do you mean grape seed or grapefruit seed extract? Anita

----- Original Message -----From: Dawn ASent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Re: Milk Thistle and Grape Seed Extract - Dawn Hi Beth, I know that Pam did alternative therapy... but she refused to divulge what exactly she did. There was some information that she was doing Intravenous Therapy but I don't know what was in the IV.... Probably l-glutathione for one since that is used very often to get the liver back in shape. My doc uses glutathione in my IV's.. I don't have hepatitis... just at the time alot of toxins. Yep, Grape seed extract is also excellent at killing thrush, which is yeast in your mouth (you knew that!) and it can be used vaginally.. but not straight up or there could be some serious burning goin' on. For thrush it can be taken straight and swished around in the mouth. Are you still bloated? I

suffered miserably from severe bloating while I had the implants in. It has finally completely dissipated. The bloating I had was exacerbated by food allergies... so I had food allergy testing done and avoided those foods... although I found I am allergic to things... like coffee that didn't show on the test so now I just avoid it. I have read alot about bloating and edema since I had it so bad and some say that this can be caused by your body being overwhelmed by toxins, particularily your liver being overwhelmed with toxins. Another thing that my doctor has beat into my head is that disease begins in the colon and travels upward affecting your liver, kidneys, lungs, spleen, heart. He is big on getting the S_ _ T out! Do you do any type of colon cleansing at this point? Dawn "Beth S." & lt;schaffe88@com & gt; wrote:

Hi Dawn, Interesting. I had no idea. I knew that Milk Thistle was good for the liver and that is why I bought it. I didn't know that grape seed could fight candida. I thought that it was good for fighting free radicals. I got all of my information from Colleen M. I had asked her what she took since she had that extreme bloating like I had so I went out and bought everything that she takes. I wonder if that is what Pamela took She claimed to have hepatitis and was going to go on interferon but didn't. She said that exercise and diet helped her. I thought she was full of crap. Maybe her doctor put her on milk thistle. Thanks for the info.Beth S. "Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole." - Caras

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June 23, 2005

Thanks Anita,

I am glad I am in a place where we can have a mutual understanding of our fog brains!!

Love, Dawn

anita kessler & lt;AnitaK001@... & gt; wrote:

Dawn,

Believe me I understand. Brain fog is a way of life for me. I hate it! Love, Anita

Re: Re: Milk Thistle and Grape Seed Extract - Dawn

Hi Beth, I know that Pam did alternative therapy... but she refused to divulge what exactly she did. There was some information that she was doing Intravenous Therapy but I don't know what was in the IV.... Probably l-glutathione for one since that is used very often to get the liver back in shape. My doc uses glutathione in my IV's.. I don't have hepatitis... just at the time alot of toxins. Yep, Grape seed extract is also excellent at killing thrush, which is yeast in your mouth (you knew that!) and it can be used vaginally.. but not straight up or there could be some serious burning goin' on. For thrush it can be taken straight and swished around in the mouth. Are you still bloated? I suffered miserably from severe bloating while I had the implants in. It has finally completely dissipated. The bloating I had was exacerbated by food allergies... so I had food allergy testing done and avoided those foods... although I found I am allergic to things... like coffee that didn't show on the test so now I just avoid it. I have read alot about bloating and edema since I had it so bad and some say that this can be caused by your body being overwhelmed by toxins, particularily your liver being overwhelmed with toxins. Another thing that my doctor has beat into my head is that disease begins in the colon and travels upward affecting your liver, kidneys, lungs, spleen, heart. He is big on getting the S_ _ T out! Do you do any type of colon cleansing at this point? Dawn

"Beth S." & lt;schaffe88@com & gt; wrote:

Hi Dawn,

Interesting. I had no idea. I knew that Milk Thistle was good for the liver and that is why I bought it. I didn't know that grape seed could fight candida. I thought that it was good for fighting free radicals. I got all of my information from Colleen M. I had asked her what she took since she had that extreme bloating like I had so I went out and bought everything that she takes.

I wonder if that is what Pamela took She claimed to have hepatitis and was going to go on interferon but didn't. She said that exercise and diet helped her. I thought she was full of crap. Maybe her doctor put her on milk thistle.

Thanks for the info.

Beth S.

"Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole." - Caras

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June 23, 2005

Kenda, It's always worth passing it on... that way we can uncover the truth about these things. I appreciate it.

Dawn

Kenda Skaggs & lt;kdskaggs@... & gt; wrote: Hi Dawn,Snowdrift farm makes soap and toiletries but the owners are very much into natural medicine. There have been several conversations on the list, which I am a member, about GSE. Her husband, the chemist, is very much against its usage in humans, even in small amounts. Do I still use it, yep, I still do because I find it effective against nasty infections but I thought the info was worth passing along.Kenda

Hi Kenda, Like I was saying to Beth, GSE is a pretty powerful substance. I went to the site you had listed and they sell soap. Here is some information on GSE from both sides of the spectrum... this just happens to relate to animals or humans. And, if I were to recommend an antifungal to someone it would not necessarily be Grapefruit seed extract, although it wipes out Thrush quite effectively if used properly and under the advise of an herbalist or ND. That is the absolute first time I've ever heard of the endocrine disruptor thing... but hey, with anything, including herbal remedies you have to use your head... some things we think are the truth are really not the truth at all and are only of the benefit of the person relaying the information! Thanks for the information. Dawn

Grapefruit Seed Extract: A Panacea?

By McWatters, Ph.D., C.N.C.

Grapefruit seed extract (Citrus paradisi) has been touted to be useful for just about anything that ails you. The parts used for its medicinal purposes are the fruit peel, pulp and seeds, but the leaves may also be used. GSE has been shown to kill many types of microbes that cause harm to the body, but no studies have been able to prove how it can affect the cell membranes of such a diverse group of microbes with no toxicity toward animals. It is classified as an antibacterial, antiviral, antifungal, antiparasitic, antiseptic and more.GSE has also been found to be an effective disinfectant in both human and veterinary hospitals. As a cleaning agent GSE can be used for disinfecting countertops, brooders, incubators, cooking utensils, feeding instruments, perches and so forth. GSE contains phenolic compounds, bioflavonoids, amino acids, fatty acids, tocopherols, saccarides, ascorbic acid and

dehydroascorbic acids. The phenolic compounds are unstable but are chemically converted into more stable substances that belong to a diverse class of products called quaternary ammonium compounds. Standardized GSE has the chemical name diphenol hydroxybenzene and is used by prescription in Germany. The chemical structure of the compounds produced by GSE is not fully documented; so much more investigation of GSE is needed in this area. In the holistic pet world the use of GSE began with cat and dog owners using it to disinfect and remove the bacteria from raw meat (i.e., poultry and fish). Shortly thereafter it became popular for bird owners to use it to keep sprouted seeds from developing bacteria and fungi. Naturally, it must be used in appropriate amounts to be effective for these purposes. GSE can also be used as an internal medicine, but must be used very carefully for the appropriate health conditions and in the correct dosage. With herbal products, at one

extreme dosage matters little, and at the other it is critical. Many times herbal medicine uses foods e.g., pineapple, papaya, ginger, parsley, thyme, and sage where dosage has little matter. Other herbs, such as goldenseal, comfrey, valerian, horsetail, St. ’s wort, licorice, and ephedra are in the middle to extreme end where the dosage must be carefully chosen. Too much or even too little won’t have the expected effect. I consider GSE to be in the same category as the herbs I list above in the middle to extreme end.GSE is a potent acid with the same pH as your stomach (2.0 - 3.0). This acidity is where its potency comes from. Any substance that has a very acidic nature can cause harm to the mucous membranes. I wouldn’t recommend that such an acidic substance be used internally for a bird/animal/human with ulcers or irritation/inflammation of the intestinal mucosa. It is GSE’s extreme

acidity that can cause harm internally if used unwisely.I also would not use GSE for baby birds or very young birds (before weaning) due to their delicate intestinal tracts. Accordingly, I do not recommend any highly acidic food or product be used for very young birds. If greatly diluted it may not cause any harm, but it also probably won’t do much good. Often an herb’s value is found when enough is used to be beneficial, but not so much as to be toxic. So, in other words, there is a fine line between what is useful and what is harmful when using many types of herbs. If used with knowledge, caution and guidance, GSE can be very beneficial for specific types of ailments, but a complete history must be taken and lab work performed to help determine if GSE is the right substance to be used in the first place. GSE is a VERY powerful substance that should be saved for serious illness and it can be harmful if used inappropriately. GSE acts as an antibiotic in the

true sense – antibiotic means anti-life. While it is believed that GSE has no harmful effect on the beneficial bacteria, if given internally in excessive doses over a long-term period it can kill off all intestinal bacteria much as broad-spectrum antibiotics do, with the same adverse effects. NOTE: GSE should never be used in the eyes. The extract can cause severe eye irritation. In humans, caution is recommended during pregnancy.GSE comes in many forms, including capsules, tablets and liquid. In my practice, I recommend its use at a very low dose, specifically calculated for each bird. The dose must be carefully calculated for the weight of each bird, the illness being treated and the stage and length of the illness. I have effectively used it in the treatment of certain resistant strains of bacteria and also with certain viruses. It is most palatable if given with orange or grapefruit juice. Externally, I found it effective for skin infections.I do not

recommend the liquid form at all for internal use in birds. When I suggest the use of GSE in a nutritional healing program for one of my clients’ birds, it is in the powder form, in a very low strength, and is combined with herbs that are soothing to the intestinal tract. This program always includes a diet of fresh whole foods.In essence, GSE is a natural broad-spectrum antimicrobial. It is non-toxic only if used properly, just like any other herbal medicine. If not diluted correctly, problems will result. GSE should only be used with the guidance of a qualified health practitioner when used internally. Just because it is a natural substance doesn't automatically mean it is safe.All rights reserved. No part of this article may be reproduced in any form or by any means, without permission from the author. For an explanation of copyrights as well as myths click here.

<http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html> Kenda Skaggs & lt;kdskaggs@... & gt; wrote:

Hi,Here is some info that posted regarding the safety, or lack thereof, of GSE on another list. The author is a chemist. It’s pretty scary.KendaSave your money. Grapefruit seed extract is a waste of time andmoney.There is absolutely no scientific data to suggest there is any anti-microbial activity in GSE. Samples of material claiming to be GSEactually were proven to be "adulterated" with triclosan, an anti-microbial that actually does work.Beyond that, there is a caution to be had with the use of GSE. It isan endocrine disrupting ingredient, meaning it can alter the wayyour endocrine operates. In this case, GSE, being a seed extract,wants to keep anything that will destroy it from reproducing. In thefield, roaming animals would munch upon the fruits and th erefore theseeds. In order to keep the roaming animals from overcoming

theplant, the seeds have a built-in mechanism that shuts down theanimals' reproductive process. In small amounts, there is probablynot much damage done to whomever handles or uses the material,however, in concentration, such as you would handle in the making ofa lotion, let's say, the danger is real.In a nutshell, I would rather stay as far away from GSE as humanlypossible. Use something that is proven to work, rather than take therisk and know your product is completely unprotected.You can find more information about the problems inherent with GSEat http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/askthechemist.html

Anita I'm telling you, I am losing it...I meant grapefruit seed extract. The whole time I was writing grape seed I felt like I was missing a word or something... and I was! Okay, so now we learned alittle bit about GRAPEFRUIT SEED! Thanks Anita! I'm doing alot of dumb things lately.. don't know what is going on! Dawn anita kessler & lt;AnitaK001@... & gt; wrote:

Dawn,Do you mean grape seed or grapefruit seed extract? Anita

----- Original Message -----From: Dawn ASent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Re: Milk Thistle and Grape Seed Extract - Dawn Hi Beth, I know that Pam did alternative therapy... but she refused to divulge what exactly she did. There was some information that she was doing Intravenous Therapy but I don't know what was in the IV.... Probably l-glutathione for one since that is used very often to get the liver back in shape. My doc uses glutathione in my IV's.. I don't have hepatitis... just at the time alot of toxins. Yep, Grape seed extract is also excellent at killing thrush, which is yeast in your mouth (you knew that!) and it can be used vaginally.. but not straight up or there could be some serious burning goin' on. For thrush it can be taken straight and swished around in the mouth. Are you still bloat ed? I

suffered miserably from severe bloating while I had the implants in. It has finally completely dissipated. The bloating I had was exacerbated by food allergies... so I had food allergy testing done and avoided those foods... although I found I am allergic to things... like coffee that didn't show on the test so now I just avoid it. I have read alot about bloating and edema since I had it so bad and some say that this can be caused by your body being overwhelmed by toxins, particularily your liver being overwhelmed with toxins. Another thing that my doctor has beat into my head is that disease begins in the colon and travels upward affecting your liver, kidneys, lungs, spleen, heart. He is big on getting the S_ _ T out! Do you do any type of colon cleansing at this point? Dawn "Beth S." & lt;schaffe88@com & gt; wrote:

Hi Dawn, Interesting. I had no idea. I knew that Milk Thistle was good for the liver and that is why I bought it. I didn't know that grape seed could fight candida. I thought that it was good for fighting free radicals. I got all of my information from Colleen M. I had asked her what she took since she had that extreme bloating like I had so I went out and bought everything that she takes. I wonder if that is what Pamela took She claimed to have hepatitis and was going to go on interferon but didn't. She said that exercise and diet helped her. I thought she was full of crap. Maybe her doctor put her on milk thistle. Thanks for the info.Beth S. "Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole." - Caras

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June 23, 2005

Grapefruit seed extract was one of the first products

I took for systemic fungal problems. I found it very

effective! I would put it on a par with Diflucan,

Nystatin, or Oil of Oregano for combating fungal

problems.

I don't think I would want to use it on a long-term

basis. But for fast relief it's great! Primal Defense

is the kind of product one needs for long-term

treatment since it's putting beneficial bacteria back

in the system.

Rogene

June 25, 2005

Hi,

Here is some info that posted regarding the safety, or lack thereof, of GSE on another list. The author is a chemist. It’s pretty scary.

Kenda

Save your money. Grapefruit seed extract is a waste of time and

money.

There is absolutely no scientific data to suggest there is any anti-

microbial activity in GSE. Samples of material claiming to be GSE

actually were proven to be " adulterated " with triclosan, an anti-

microbial that actually does work.

Beyond that, there is a caution to be had with the use of GSE. It is

an endocrine disrupting ingredient, meaning it can alter the way

your endocrine operates. In this case, GSE, being a seed extract,

wants to keep anything that will destroy it from reproducing. In the

field, roaming animals would munch upon the fruits and therefore the

seeds. In order to keep the roaming animals from overcoming the

plant, the seeds have a built-in mechanism that shuts down the

animals' reproductive process. In small amounts, there is probably

not much damage done to whomever handles or uses the material,

however, in concentration, such as you would handle in the making of

a lotion, let's say, the danger is real.

In a nutshell, I would rather stay as far away from GSE as humanly

possible. Use something that is proven to work, rather than take the

risk and know your product is completely unprotected.

You can find more information about the problems inherent with GSE

at http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/askthechemist.html

Anita

I'm telling you, I am losing it...I meant grapefruit seed extract. The whole time I was writing grape seed I felt like I was missing a word or something... and I was! Okay, so now we learned alittle bit about GRAPEFRUIT SEED! Thanks Anita! I'm doing alot of dumb things lately.. don't know what is going on!

Dawn

anita kessler & lt;AnitaK001@... & gt; wrote:

Dawn,

Do you mean grape seed or grapefruit seed extract? Anita

Re: Re: Milk Thistle and Grape Seed Extract - Dawn

Hi Beth,

I know that Pam did alternative therapy... but she refused to divulge what exactly she did. There was some information that she was doing Intravenous Therapy but I don't know what was in the IV.... Probably l-glutathione for one since that is used very often to get the liver back in shape. My doc uses glutathione in my IV's.. I don't have hepatitis... just at the time alot of toxins.

Yep, Grape seed extract is also excellent at killing thrush, which is yeast in your mouth (you knew that!) and it can be used vaginally.. but not straight up or there could be some serious burning goin' on. For thrush it can be taken straight and swished around in the mouth.

Are you still bloated? I suffered miserably from severe bloating while I had the implants in. It has finally completely dissipated. The bloating I had was exacerbated by food allergies... so I had food allergy testing done and avoided those foods... although I found I am allergic to things... like coffee that didn't show on the test so now I just avoid it.

I have read alot about bloating and edema since I had it so bad and some say that this can be caused by your body being overwhelmed by toxins, particularily your liver being overwhelmed with toxins.

Another thing that my doctor has beat into my head is that disease begins in the colon and travels upward affecting your liver, kidneys, lungs, spleen, heart. He is big on getting the S_ _ T out!

Do you do any type of colon cleansing at this point?

Dawn

" Beth S. " & lt;schaffe88@com & gt; wrote:

Hi Dawn,

Interesting. I had no idea. I knew that Milk Thistle was good for the liver and that is why I bought it. I didn't know that grape seed could fight candida. I thought that it was good for fighting free radicals. I got all of my information from Colleen M. I had asked her what she took since she had that extreme bloating like I had so I went out and bought everything that she takes.

I wonder if that is what Pamela took She claimed to have hepatitis and was going to go on interferon but didn't. She said that exercise and diet helped her. I thought she was full of crap. Maybe her doctor put her on milk thistle.

Thanks for the info.

Beth S.

" Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole. " - Caras

__________________________________________________

June 25, 2005

Hi Dawn,

Snowdrift farm makes soap and toiletries but the owners are very much into natural medicine. There have been several conversations on the list, which I am a member, about GSE. Her husband, the chemist, is very much against its usage in humans, even in small amounts. Do I still use it, yep, I still do because I find it effective against nasty infections but I thought the info was worth passing along.

Kenda

Hi Kenda,

Like I was saying to Beth, GSE is a pretty powerful substance. I went to the site you had listed and they sell soap. Here is some information on GSE from both sides of the spectrum... this just happens to relate to animals or humans. And, if I were to recommend an antifungal to someone it would not necessarily be Grapefruit seed extract, although it wipes out Thrush quite effectively if used properly and under the advise of an herbalist or ND. That is the absolute first time I've ever heard of the endocrine disruptor thing... but hey, with anything, including herbal remedies you have to use your head... some things we think are the truth are really not the truth at all and are only of the benefit of the person relaying the information! Thanks for the information.

Dawn

Grapefruit Seed Extract: A Panacea?

By

McWatters, Ph.D., C.N.C.