Re: 2 days to go: forgot to ask a question

[Guest guest]

Did you take the bromelain on an empty or full stomach? Taken on an empty stomach, bromelain acts as an anti-inflammatory. Taken on a full stomach, it acts as a digestive enzyme. I’d definitely take the vicodin with food. Synthroid is best on an empty stomach because it is better absorbed. I don’t know anything at all about cytomel.

Kenda

I forgot to mention I also took my first day of bromelain (vita

medica). Has anyone ever thrown up from this. I think maybe that

combined with the vicodin ect.. caused me to get sick. I called the

company, they talked to a doctor and advised me it would be o.k. to

take some tonight. Any thoughts on this. I'm afraid to try it again. I

also took my synthroid and cytomel to. Maybe not so smart. I'm afraid

to try it again. I am just finally holding food down! Thanks. Kim

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Kim, Uhh, no I am sure it wasn't the vitamedica bromelain... I took it too. Bromelain is pretty benign stuff and I think that particular product is derived from pineapples. Are you allergic to pineapples? Regardless, it was more than likely the vicodin that made you throw up. I came really really close to throwing up after taking it. Vicodin is a bit rough on the gut. Don't be afraid of the Bromelain...it is an anti inflammatory and will greatly assist in your recovery... be more careful with the vicodin.. take tylenol if you can. My advise if I were to do it all over again... luckily I will not!

Dawn

bluejayfauxpainter & lt;bluejayfauxpainter@... & gt; wrote: I forgot to mention I also took my first day of bromelain (vita medica). Has anyone ever thrown up from this. I think maybe that combined with the vicodin ect.. caused me to get sick. I called the company, they talked to a doctor and advised me it would be o.k. to take some tonight. Any thoughts on this. I'm afraid to try it again. I also took my synthroid and cytomel to. Maybe not so smart. I'm afraid to try it again. I am just finally holding food down! Thanks. KimOpinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to

live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Yes, Kenda.. I agree.. that is totally correct. The instructions I was given was to take bromelain on empty stomach.... and yes, vicodin definitely with food.

Dawn

Kenda Skaggs & lt;kdskaggs@... & gt; wrote: Did you take the bromelain on an empty or full stomach? Taken on an empty stomach, bromelain acts as an anti-inflammatory. Taken on a full stomach, it acts as a digestive enzyme. I’d definitely take the vicodin with food. Synthroid is best on an empty stomach because it is better absorbed. I don’t know anything at all about cytomel.Kenda

I forgot to mention I also took my first day of bromelain (vita medica). Has anyone ever thrown up from this. I think maybe that combined with the vicodin ect.. caused me to get sick. I called the company, they talked to a doctor and advised me it would be o.k. to take some tonight. Any thoughts on this. I'm afraid to try it again. I also took my synthroid and cytomel to. Maybe not so smart. I'm afraid to try it again. I am just finally holding food down! Thanks. KimOpinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what

the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

For some people, bromelain can be very upsetting to the stomach, especially when taken on an empty stomach. It is very possible that the bromelain is what upset Kim’s stomach. Kim, did you take either the bromelain or vicadin since?

Kenda

Kim,

Uhh, no I am sure it wasn't the vitamedica bromelain... I took it too. Bromelain is pretty benign stuff and I think that particular product is derived from pineapples. Are you allergic to pineapples? Regardless, it was more than likely the vicodin that made you throw up. I came really really close to throwing up after taking it. Vicodin is a bit rough on the gut. Don't be afraid of the Bromelain...it is an anti inflammatory and will greatly assist in your recovery... be more careful with the vicodin.. take tylenol if you can. My advise if I were to do it all over again... luckily I will not!

Dawn

bluejayfauxpainter & lt;bluejayfauxpainter@... & gt; wrote:

I forgot to mention I also took my first day of bromelain (vita

medica). Has anyone ever thrown up from this. I think maybe that

combined with the vicodin ect.. caused me to get sick. I called the

company, they talked to a doctor and advised me it would be o.k. to

take some tonight. Any thoughts on this. I'm afraid to try it again. I

also took my synthroid and cytomel to. Maybe not so smart. I'm afraid

to try it again. I am just finally holding food down! Thanks. Kim

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about ho w to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

I think it is the bromelain that upset your stomach, if you tolerate pain meds well. It is very acidic and can be upsetting to the gut.

Kenda

Yes, Kenda.. I agree.. that is totally correct. The instructions I was given was to take bromelain on empty stomach.... and yes, vicodin definitely with food.

Dawn

Kenda Skaggs & lt;kdskaggs@... & gt; wrote:

Did you take the bromelain on an empty or full stomach? Taken on an empty stomach, bromelain acts as an anti-inflammatory. Taken on a full stomach, it acts as a digestive enzyme. I’d definitely take the vicodin with food. Synthroid is best on an empty stomach because it is better absorbed. I don’t know anything at all about cytomel.

Kenda

I forgot to mention I also took my first day of bromelain (vita

medica). Has anyone ever thrown up from this. I think maybe that

combined with the vicodin ect.. caused me to get sick. I called the

company, they talked to a doctor and advised me it would be o.k. to

take some tonight. Any thoughts on this. I'm afraid to try it again. I

also took my synthroid and cytomel to. Maybe not so smart. I'm afraid

to try it again. I am just finally holding food down! Thanks. Kim

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find o ut what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Kenda,

We can speculate what made Kim throw up but if you have any knowledge of Vicodin than you also know that in some people it results in severe vomiting, not just stomach irritation. To say it was the bromelain is a guess on anyone's part... the only way to know is to take the items separately and see what the problem was.... When we have these major breast operations it is wise to reduce as much inflammation as possible naturally via bromelain or arnica montana. The bottom line is that Kim should consult with her doctor for SOUND medical advise.. as we are only offering opinions here.

Dawn

Kenda Skaggs & lt;kdskaggs@... & gt; wrote: I think it is the bromelain that upset your stomach, if you tolerate pain meds well. It is very acidic and can be upsetting to the gut.Kenda

Yes, Kenda.. I agree.. that is totally correct. The instructions I was given was to take bromelain on empty stomach.... and yes, vicodin definitely with food. Dawn Kenda Skaggs & lt;kdskaggs@... & gt; wrote:

Did you take the bromelain on an empty or full stomach? Taken on an empty stomach, bromelain acts as an anti-inflammatory. Taken on a full stomach, it acts as a digestive enzyme. I’d definitely take the vicodin with food. Synthroid is best on an empty stomach because it is better absorbed. I don’t know anything at all about cytomel.Kenda

I forgot to mention I also took my first day of bromelain (vita medica). Has anyone ever thrown up from this. I think maybe that combined with the vicodin ect.. caused me to get sick. I called the company, they talked to a doctor and advised me it would be o.k. to take some tonight. Any thoughts on this. I'm afraid to try it again. I also took my synthroid and cytomel to. Maybe not so smart. I'm afraid to try it again. I am just finally holding food down! Thanks. KimOpinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find o ut what the

facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Hi Dawn,

Of course. That’s why I put in my previous email “if you tolerate pain meds well”.

There are other alternatives to bromelain and to the best of my knowledge, arnica increases healing but not necessarily systemic inflammation and I have been told, but don’t know if it’s true, that arnica is not intended for long term usage. Another product made for inflammation is one that includes skullcap root, bee propolis, turmeric root and gramminex G60. For me, this works much better and doesn’t cause any gut problems whatsoever.

Kenda

Kenda,

We can speculate what made Kim throw up but if you have any knowledge of Vicodin than you also know that in some people it results in severe vomiting, not just stomach irritation. To say it was the bromelain is a guess on anyone's part... the only way to know is to take the items separately and see what the problem was....

When we have these major breast operations it is wise to reduce as much inflammation as possible naturally via bromelain or arnica montana. The bottom line is that Kim should consult with her doctor for SOUND medical advise.. as we are only offering opinions here.

Dawn

Kenda Skaggs & lt;kdskaggs@... & gt; wrote:

I think it is the bromelain that upset your stomach, if you tolerate pain meds well. It is very acidic and can be upsetting to the gut.

Kenda

Yes, Kenda.. I agree.. that is totally correct. The instructions I was given was to take bromelain on empty stomach.... and yes, vicodin definitely with food.

Dawn

Kenda Skaggs & lt;kdskaggs@... & gt; wrote:

Did you take the bromelain on an empty or full stomach? Taken on an empty stomach, bromelain acts as an anti-inflammatory. Taken on a full stomach, it acts as a digestive enzyme. I’d definitely take the vicodin with food. Synthroid is best on an empty stomach because it is better absorbed. I don’t know anything at all about cytomel.

Kenda

I forgot to mention I also took my first day of bromelain (vita

medica). Has anyone ever thrown up from this. I think maybe that

combined with the vicodin ect.. caused me to get sick. I called the

company, they talked to a doctor and advised me it would be o.k. to

take some tonight. Any thoughts on this. I'm afraid to try it again. I

also took my synthroid and cytomel to. Maybe not so smart. I'm afraid

to try it again. I am just finally holding food down! Thanks. Kim

Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

" Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find o ut wh at the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

Hi Kenda,

But, we are speaking of people who are going to go through a major

operation.. some of those herbs you mentioned may not be safe to

take pre or post operatively. The bottom line is that rather than

taking the advise of laymen it is better for someone who is going to

go through a major traumatic operation to consult their plastic

surgeon who is the EXPERT in these situations.

It would be unwise to go with the opinions of others without

consulting the ps.

And Arnica Montana is an excellent pain medication/anti

inflammatory. Infact I have, as I am sure many others have also,

used it for sports related injuries with much success. Arnica is

frequently prescribed post operatively for two weeks and pre op for

two weeks... not always.. most cases involving a physician who is

knowledgeable as to it's effects. I am not aware of how long you can

take arnica...

Dawn

-- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...>

wrote:

> Hi Dawn,

>

> Of course. That¹s why I put in my previous email ³if you tolerate

pain meds

> well².

>

> There are other alternatives to bromelain and to the best of my

knowledge,

> arnica increases healing but not necessarily systemic inflammation

and I

> have been told, but don¹t know if it¹s true, that arnica is not

intended for

> long term usage. Another product made for inflammation is one

that includes

> skullcap root, bee propolis, turmeric root and gramminex G60. For

me, this

> works much better and doesn¹t cause any gut problems whatsoever.

>

> Kenda

>

> > Kenda,

> >

> > We can speculate what made Kim throw up but if you have any

knowledge of

> > Vicodin than you also know that in some people it results in

severe vomiting,

> > not just stomach irritation. To say it was the bromelain is a

guess on

> > anyone's part... the only way to know is to take the items

separately and see

> > what the problem was....

> >

> > When we have these major breast operations it is wise to reduce

as much

> > inflammation as possible naturally via bromelain or arnica

montana. The bottom

> > line is that Kim should consult with her doctor for SOUND

medical advise.. as

> > we are only offering opinions here.

> >

> > Dawn

> >

> > Kenda Skaggs kdskaggs@c... wrote:

> >> I think it is the bromelain that upset your stomach, if you

tolerate pain

> >> meds well. It is very acidic and can be upsetting to the gut.

> >>

> >> Kenda

> >>

> >>

> >>> Yes, Kenda.. I agree.. that is totally correct. The

instructions I was given

> >>> was to take bromelain on empty stomach.... and yes, vicodin

definitely with

> >>> food.

> >>>

> >>> Dawn

> >>>

> >>> Kenda Skaggs kdskaggs@c... wrote:

> >>>> Did you take the bromelain on an empty or full stomach?

Taken on an empty

> >>>> stomach, bromelain acts as an anti-inflammatory. Taken on a

full stomach,

> >>>> it acts as a digestive enzyme. I¹d definitely take the

vicodin with food.

> >>>> Synthroid is best on an empty stomach because it is better

absorbed. I

> >>>> don¹t know anything at all about cytomel.

> >>>>

> >>>> Kenda

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>> I forgot to mention I also took my first day of bromelain

(vita

> >>>>> medica). Has anyone ever thrown up from this. I think maybe

that

> >>>>> combined with the vicodin ect.. caused me to get sick. I

called the

> >>>>> company, they talked to a doctor and advised me it would be

o.k. to

> >>>>> take some tonight. Any thoughts on this. I'm afraid to try

it again. I

> >>>>> also took my synthroid and cytomel to. Maybe not so smart.

I'm afraid

> >>>>> to try it again. I am just finally holding food down!

Thanks. Kim

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given by

> >>>>> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

or licensed

> >>>>> health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

politicians mislead you.

> >>>>> Find o ut wh at the facts are, and make your own decisions

about how to

> >>>>> live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

Linus ing,

> >>>>> two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

[Guest guest]

I don't want to get in the middle of this, we all tolerate things

differently, I just want to say something since I was the one who

suggested that Kim buy the Vita-Medica in the first place. Dr. Feng,

as many of you know, prescribes the Vita-Medica program for her

patients pre-explant. She sent it to me and therefore I suggested it

to Kim. Dr. Feng is one of the most respected PS's on this group, as

such, I am sure that her medical advice is sound. I would not have

suggested it to Kim had I not been prescribed it for the exact same

procedure.

Kim is having her surgery right now, and I pray that she wakes up

feeling happy and well.

[Guest guest]

,

That's precisely what I would have said in a nutshell. I have the

utmost respect for Dr. Feng and completely trusted in what she

prescribed for me also. And when I said sound medical advise, Dr. Feng

was exactly who I was referring to. As you know Dr. Feng also

recommends the Arnica. She has taken a much more holistic approach as

of late.. more so than she used to . I had extensive conversations

with her regarding food and diet, supplements.. She's very big on

Organic food as you will find out!

Dawn

In , " ktitko " <ktitko@y...> wrote:

> I don't want to get in the middle of this, we all tolerate things

> differently, I just want to say something since I was the one who

> suggested that Kim buy the Vita-Medica in the first place. Dr. Feng,

> as many of you know, prescribes the Vita-Medica program for her

> patients pre-explant. She sent it to me and therefore I suggested it

> to Kim. Dr. Feng is one of the most respected PS's on this group, as

> such, I am sure that her medical advice is sound. I would not have

> suggested it to Kim had I not been prescribed it for the exact same

> procedure.

>

> Kim is having her surgery right now, and I pray that she wakes up

> feeling happy and well.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dawn

That's interesting. Many anti-imflammatories do thin the blood. I

doubt it matters what the source is but maybe it does. Perhaps Dr.

Feng thinks that if it thins the blood, it is fairly inconsequential

(which it may be). Or perhaps she isn't even aware of the

connection. I went to her three years ago and she didn't prescribe

anything at all before surgery. It sounds like she has changed her

protocol somewhat!

Hugs,kathy

> > I forgot to mention I also took my first day of bromelain

(vita

> > medica). Has anyone ever thrown up from this. I think maybe that

> > combined with the vicodin ect.. caused me to get sick. I called

> the

> > company, they talked to a doctor and advised me it would be o.k.

> to

> > take some tonight. Any thoughts on this. I'm afraid to try it

> again. I

> > also took my synthroid and cytomel to. Maybe not so smart. I'm

> afraid

> > to try it again. I am just finally holding food down! Thanks.

Kim

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

The vita medica bromelain/quercetin is contraindicated with coumadin

(blood thinner).. This formula (Vita Medica) is specifically

packaged for surgical procedures.. such as plastic surgery. Dr. Feng

sent me this whole box pre op that contained (all by Vita medica)..

High dose Multivitamin, Arnica Montana and bromelain/quercetin. The

manufacturer gives you specific instructions pre and post

operatively as to how to use their products and Dr. Feng made sure I

had all of these with me before I got on the plane to see her. They

gave me my first dose of Arnica in recovery.

If she didn't do these things three years ago then she certainly has

changed... For OUR good obviously! I thought her approach was

absolutely excellent regarding pre/post op care. She gave me a sheet

listing the best organic foods to start eating for detox, etc.

I guess now that she has so many of us that are ill and need

explants she has educated herself on what we need to do to recover.

Hugs,

Dawn

In , " mikat828 " <mikat828@y...> wrote:

>

> Dawn

> That's interesting. Many anti-imflammatories do thin the blood.

I

> doubt it matters what the source is but maybe it does. Perhaps

Dr.

> Feng thinks that if it thins the blood, it is fairly

inconsequential

> (which it may be). Or perhaps she isn't even aware of the

> connection. I went to her three years ago and she didn't

prescribe

> anything at all before surgery. It sounds like she has changed

her

> protocol somewhat!

> Hugs,kathy

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > I forgot to mention I also took my first day of bromelain

> (vita

> > > medica). Has anyone ever thrown up from this. I think maybe

that

> > > combined with the vicodin ect.. caused me to get sick. I

called

> > the

> > > company, they talked to a doctor and advised me it would be

o.k.

> > to

> > > take some tonight. Any thoughts on this. I'm afraid to try it

> > again. I

> > > also took my synthroid and cytomel to. Maybe not so smart. I'm

> > afraid

> > > to try it again. I am just finally holding food down! Thanks.

> Kim

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given

> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Lynda

I wholeheartedly agree. I have a sister who is a pharmacist as well

as a sister who is a nurse. I can tell you for sure that most

regular docs don't know that much about the drugs they prescribe.

They rely on pharmaceutical salespeople to educate them--usually

during a free lunch. My sister the nurse, gets fed at least once a

week by drug reps while they peddle their wares. I also know that

my husband has been prescribed " mistakes " while on coumadin. I

really research everything myself. Doctors only human and make alot

of mistakes. My respect for most doctors is in the gutter. But

then, my husband died as a direct result of the incompetence of

several doctors who all managed to misdiagnose my husband's aortic

dissection. IN addition, these so called experts screwed up his

care for years. For 13 years they knew he had an aortic

enlargement, and we went to 2specialists, and many

echocardiographers, cardiologist, etc. When we went to one

specialist in pittsburgh, he told my husband he should have elective

surgery to replace his aortic root with a graft. He sent us

upstairs to see a prominent well respected heart surgeon who told us

that mike would have more chance of being hit by a car crossing the

street than having a dissection and that he wouldn't do the surgery

until it attained a certain size. If he had, mike would be alive

and well today and my children would still have a father. Instead,

it grew while they continued to disagree if it was enlarging and it

dissected. Even then, he had an 85% chance of coming through

emergency surgery ok. But the E.R. sent us home with a diagnosis

of " chest muscle pain " and it finally ruptured with him never

knowing what hit him. I could tell more stories of inept

gynecologists, endrocrinogoist, dermatologists, rheumatologists, but

why, they abound everywhere. We have to be our own advocate and I

will never think the doctor is the expert. They aren't. I have

been disappointed way too many times to buy that. There are

certainly some gifted doctors out there, but they are in the

minority.

Hugs, kathy

> > > >>>> Did you take the bromelain on an empty or full stomach?

> >Taken on an empty

> > > >>>> stomach, bromelain acts as an anti-inflammatory. Taken

on a

> >full stomach,

> > > >>>> it acts as a digestive enzyme. I¹d definitely take the

> >vicodin with food.

> > > >>>> Synthroid is best on an empty stomach because it is better

> >absorbed. I

> > > >>>> don¹t know anything at all about cytomel.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Kenda

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>> I forgot to mention I also took my first day of

bromelain

> >(vita

> > > >>>>> medica). Has anyone ever thrown up from this. I think

maybe

> >that

> > > >>>>> combined with the vicodin ect.. caused me to get sick. I

> >called the

> > > >>>>> company, they talked to a doctor and advised me it would

be

> >o.k. to

> > > >>>>> take some tonight. Any thoughts on this. I'm afraid to

try

> >it again. I

> > > >>>>> also took my synthroid and cytomel to. Maybe not so

smart.

> >I'm afraid

> > > >>>>> to try it again. I am just finally holding food down!

> >Thanks. Kim

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of

advice

> >given by

> > > >>>>> licensed health care professionals. Consult your

physician

> >or licensed

> > > >>>>> health care professional before commencing any medical

> >treatment.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the

> >politicians mislead you.

> > > >>>>> Find o ut wh at the facts are, and make your own

decisions

> >about how to

> > > >>>>> live a happy life and how to work for a better world. " -

> >Linus ing,

> > > >>>>> two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

[Guest guest]

I agree! I am so glad that she has recognized the importance of

organic and supplements, herbs etc.

Hugs, kathy

> > > > I forgot to mention I also took my first day of bromelain

> > (vita

> > > > medica). Has anyone ever thrown up from this. I think maybe

> that

> > > > combined with the vicodin ect.. caused me to get sick. I

> called

> > > the

> > > > company, they talked to a doctor and advised me it would be

> o.k.

> > > to

> > > > take some tonight. Any thoughts on this. I'm afraid to try

it

> > > again. I

> > > > also took my synthroid and cytomel to. Maybe not so smart.

I'm

> > > afraid

> > > > to try it again. I am just finally holding food down!

Thanks.

> > Kim

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given

> > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> > treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> > better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner

(1954,

> > Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

This is exactly why I am doing this all on my own without any doctors

consent or knowledge. I am paying for everything out of pocket at this

point so that I have total control of what happens. I totally agree

with you Rogene! and if it weren't for the previous experiences of

women here with Dr. Feng I'd be scared to death about it!

> It's my observation that women who put their trust in

> doctors after getting sick because of their implants

> have not done well.

>

> Doctors are NOT Gods, they are OUR EMPLOYEES! Doctors

> must listen to what we have to say and tell us the

> truth!

>

> Rogene

[Guest guest]

Hi Kenda,

Thanks, sorry about the misunderstanding. I haven't been on codeine

in many years and I've never been on Lortab. But, I had been on

Vicodin for my implant surgery and it didn't bother at all then. I

am thinking that I developed an allergy to it or something which

would account for the itching. I took benadryl too this last go

around and it did help the itching.. but I probably wouldn't want to

try it again because ... sheeesh, I was up itching all night.. my

face, my scalp, my legs.. yuck!

Dawn

In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> wrote:

> Dawn,

>

> I understand completely now! We were writing about two

different issues.

>

> Does Codeine and Lortab make you itch too? When I had my son, I

had an

> emergency c-section and was given IV painkillers. The docs

wouldn¹t take me

> off the painkillers, even though I insisted they were the

problem. They

> gave me Benadryl for the itching. It¹s no wonder I don¹t like

MD¹s!

>

> Kenda

>

>

>

> > Kenda,

> >

> > Just to clarify, I was responding not only to the original

poster, but also to

> > Kathy's email that stated Kim should not be taking Bromelain

prior to surgery.

> > My mistake, I should have made it more clear for you.

> >

> > Interesting, Vicodin makes me itch too!

> >

> > Kenda Skaggs kdskaggs@c... wrote:

> >> Dawn,

> >>

> >> I answered the question at hand regarding nausea and vomiting

with regard to

> >> Vicodin and Bromelain usage. I wasn¹t answering anything with

regard to

> >> pre-explant or post-explant. I don¹t feel qualified to respond

to either

> >> question, having never been there myself or having done much

research on

> >> either. You wrote to very specific points which were never

brought up in the

> >> original poster¹s question. Nothing is ever a fact with regard

to medicine,

> >> for all all people. There are many variables, which is what I

was trying to

> >> point out. Some folks react poorly to Bromelain, that is a

fact, I am one of

> >> them but that doesn¹t mean that you or anyone else will react

to it.

> >> Furthermore, it doesn¹t make Bromelain a bad supplement.

> >>

> >> With regard to inflammation, I do not have f ibro, I have an

inflammatory

> >> body that predisposes me to inflammatory conditions ‹ a huge

reason implants

> >> would have been disastrous for me. If I keep the inflammation

down, I am

> >> healthy and have no problems. If someone is like me, simply

detoxing will

> >> never be enough to feel well after explant. For me, feeling

well is a

> >> life-long commitment to supplements, exercise and a clean

lifestyle. I know

> >> my body is different but there are other women out there like

me who don¹t

> >> get well as easily as others.

> >>

> >> Yes, I have taken Vicodin, it makes me itch, as do most

painkillers.

> >>

> >> Kenda

> >>

> >>> Kenda,

> >>>

> >>> You always offer some very great information and are a

valuable asset to

> >>> the group for your knowledge. Some of the things stated as

fact are infact

> >>> not always fact, that is why we seek out non conventional

medicine.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> I think the misunderstanding lies in the fact that my replies

referred to

> >>> POST operative and PRE operative surgery. I never mentioned

that Arnica was

> >>> to be used for long term inflammation. I don't have a clue, I

have never

> >>> used it for fibromyalgia. I don't know what cases you refer to

that quick

> >>> healing is not good.. and that wasn't the issue I spoke of. I

was talking

> >>> about breast surgery, specifically implant or explant, nothing

else. In the

> >>> case of breast surgery, THE FACT is that QUICK healing is

indicated, FACT.

> >>>

> >>> Whether a person is more inflamed than another is not what I

was referring

> >>> to. When breasts are augmented or explanted t here is alot of

inflammation

> >>> and that is why drains are used.

> >>>

> >>> By the way, have you ever used Vicodin?

> >>>

> >>> Dawn

> >>>

> >>> Kenda Skaggs kdskaggs@c... wrote:

> >>>> Dawn,

> >>>>

> >>>> I¹m really at a loss as to what we are disagreeing about. I

simply

> >>>> suggested that bromelain could be the cause of upset

stomach ‹ that¹s a

> >>>> fact. I prefaced my statement regarding upset stomach with

the question as

> >>>> to whether Vicadin use had been well tolerated in the past.

Arnica Montana

> >>>> is used for short term use and is an excellent product. Some

people,

> >>>> myself included, use anti-inflammatory products long term,

probably for

> >>>> life, because I/we have inflammatory bodies. Arnica is not

indicated for

> >>>> this type of treatment. Some people don¹t rid themselves of

toxins as

> >>>> easily as others and may need a product designed for long

term usage. This

> >>>> doesn¹t mean that Arnica is not a bad product, it is a

different product

> >>>> intended for a different use.

> >>>>

> >>>> Kenda

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>> Kenda,

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I never implied you were a professional because if you were

you would not

> >>>>> be offering medical advise on this board. Let's just agree

to disagree.

> >>>>> Should anyone want to try any supplements they will

hopefully do their own

> >>>>> research and take all opinions into consideration. I didn't

mention

> >>>>> anything about long term useage of Arnica Montana because I

was referring

> >>>>> to pre and post operative period. It is my hope that none of

these women,

> >>>>> as I, will not ever need to use these items long term

because they are

> >>>>> ridding themselves of the SOURCE of their condition, AS I

DID.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> With any herbal remedy we should heed caution, that's a

given. Herbs can

> >>>>> be unsafe if taken too much, too often, etc. In my opinion,

Arnica is and

> >>>>> has been an excellent remedy for MY muscle pain from working

out or

> >>>>> injuries. It comes in tablets that you dissolve under the

tongue and in

> >>>>> gel form. I haven't us ed it for months and months... I just

don't want

> >>>>> Arnica to get a bad rap here because it is a very valuable

herb to some of

> >>>>> us.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Dawn

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Kenda Skaggs kdskaggs@c... wrote:

> >>>>>> Hi Dawn,

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> I don¹t claim to be a professional and was never consulted

as such. An

> >>>>>> email was posted and ³our² opinions were asked. I gave

mine. Obviously

> >>>>>> not in a professional manner.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Arnica is great for pre and post surgery and sports related

injuries but

> >>>>>> it may not be great for long term usage. Additionally, in

some

> >>>>>> instances, a person wouldn¹t want to use arnica at all

because it can

> >>>>>> speed up healing which may be contraindicated.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Kenda

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Hi Kenda,

> >>>>>>> But, we are speaking of people who are going to go through

a major

> >>>>>>> operation.. some of those herbs you mentioned may not be

safe to

> >>>>>>> take pre or post operatively. The bottom line is that

rather than

> >>>>>>> taking the advise of laymen it is better for someone who

is going to

> >>>>>>> go through a major traumatic operation to consult their

plastic

> >>>>>>> surgeon who is the EXPERT in these situations.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> It would be unwise to go with the opinions of others

without

> >>>>>>> consulting the ps.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> And Arnica Montana is an excellent pain medication/anti

> >>>>>>> inflammatory. Infact I have, as I am sure many others have

also,

> >>>>>>> used it for sports related injuries with much success.

Arnica is

> >>>>>>> frequently prescribed post operatively for two weeks and

pre op for

> >>>>>>> two weeks... not always.. most cases involving a physician

who is

> >>>>>>> knowledgeable as to it's effects. I am not aware of how lo

ng you can

> >>>>>>> take arnica...

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Dawn

> >>>>>>> -- In , Kenda Skaggs

<kdskaggs@c...>

> >>>>>>> wrote:

> >>>>>>>> > Hi Dawn,

> >>>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>> > Of course. That¹s why I put in my previous email ³if

you tolerate

> >>>>>>> pain meds

> >>>>>>>> > well².

> >>>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>> > There are other alternatives to bromelain and to the

best of my

> >>>>>>> knowledge,

> >>>>>>>> > arnica increases healing but not necessarily systemic

inflammation

> >>>>>>> and I

> >>>>>>>> > have been told, but don¹t know if it¹s true, that

arnica is not

> >>>>>>> intended for

> >>>>>>>> > long term usage. Another product made for inflammation

is one

> >>>>>>> that includes

> >>>>>>>> > skullcap root, bee propolis, turmeric root and

gramminex G60. For

> >>>>>>> me, this

> >>>>>>>> > works much better and doesn¹t cause any gut problems

whatsoever.

> >>>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>> > Kenda

> >>>>>>>> >

> >>>>>>>>> > > Kenda,

> >>>>>>>>> > >

> >>>>>>>>> > > We can speculate what made Kim throw up but if you

have any

> >>>>>>> knowledge of

> >>>>>>>>> > > Vicodin than you als o know that in some people it

results in

> >>>>>>> severe vomiting,

> >>>>>>>>> > > not just stomach irritation. To say it was the

bromelain is a

> >>>>>>> guess on

> >>>>>>>>> > > anyone's part... the only way to know is to take the

items

> >>>>>>> separately and see

> >>>>>>>>> > > what the problem was....

> >>>>>>>>> > >

> >>>>>>>>> > > When we have these major breast operations it is

wise to reduce

> >>>>>>> as much

> >>>>>>>>> > > inflammation as possible naturally via bromelain or

arnica

> >>>>>>> montana. The bottom

> >>>>>>>>> > > line is that Kim should consult with her doctor for

SOUND

> >>>>>>> medical advise.. as

> >>>>>>>>> > > we are only offering opinions here.

> >>>>>>>>> > >

> >>>>>>>>> > > Dawn

> >>>>>>>>> > >

> >>>>>>>>> > > Kenda Skaggs kdskaggs@c... wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> I think it is the bromelain that upset your

stomach, if you

> >>>>>>> tolerate pain

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> meds well. It is very acidic and can be upsetting

to the gut.

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >> Kenda

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>>> > >>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> Yes, Kenda.. I agree.. that is totally correct.

The

> >>>>>>> instructions I was given

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> was to take bromelain on empty stomach.... and

yes, vicodin

> >>>>>>> definitely with

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> food.

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> Dawn

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>> Kenda Skaggs kdskaggs@c... wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Did you take the bromelain on an empty or full

stomach?

> >>>>>>> Taken on an empty

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> stomach, bromelain acts as an anti-

inflammatory. Taken on a

> >>>>>>> full stomach,

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> it acts as a digestive enzyme. I¹d definitely

take the

> >>>>>>> vicodin with food.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Synthroid is best on an empty stomach because

it is better

> >>>>>>> absorbed. I

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> don¹t know anything at all about cytomel.

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> Kenda

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> I forgot to mention I also took my first

day of bromelain

> >>>>>>> (vita

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> medica). Has anyone ever thrown up from

this. I think

> maybe

> >>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> combined with the vicodin ect.. caused me to

get sick. I

> >>>>>>> called the

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> company, they talked to a doctor and advised

me it would

> be

> >>>>>>> o.k. to

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> take some tonight. Any thoughts on this. I'm

afraid to try

> >>>>>>> it again. I

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> also took my synthroid and cytomel to. Maybe

not so smart.

> >>>>>>> I'm afraid

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> to try it again. I am just finally holding

food down!

> >>>>>>> Thanks. Kim

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the

place of

> advice

> >>>>>>> given by

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> licensed health care professio nals. Consult

your

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> physician

> >>>>>>> or licensed

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> health care professional before commencing

any medical

> >>>>>>> treatment.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> " Do not let either the medical authorities

or the

> >>>>>>> politicians mislead you.

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> Find o ut wh at the facts are, and make your

own decisions

> >>>>>>> about how to

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " -

> >>>>>>> Linus ing,

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>