Yasko genes (was: Re: Retroviruses)

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Yup, Limin, all of those along with ACE mutation. Is there a connection to the

problem with the OSR? Anything else besides that co-occurring with the ACE

exacerbating the situation?

Gayatri

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are 4 human retroviruses: HIV, HTLV I, HTLV II,

> > and

> > > > now

> > > > > the new

> > > > > > > > XMRV. Retroviruses mutate so that the immune system can't

> > > > > memorize how

> > > > > > > > to kill it, which is how it becomes effective. Also, since

> > > > it's

> > > > > > > > mutating, something that is killing it might be

> > effective one

> > > > > week, but

> > > > > > > > not the next. Boy, that sounds familiar. Anyhow, we all

> > know

> > > > how

> > > > > HIV

> > > > > > > > takes out the t-cells, suppressing our immune systems

> > until we

> > > > > catch a

> > > > > > > > bunch of pathogens and die (sorry for the honest truth).

> > So, I

> > > > > looked

> > > > > > > > up these other retroviruses, since immune suppression is

> > > > > definitely the

> > > > > > > > problem in our children. Apparently, they also cause

> > immune

> > > > > > > > suppression. The HTLV II is not much of a problem, but the

> > > > HTLV I

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > definitely a problem, causing paralysis in about 3%, and

> > > > various

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > troubling symptoms in 50 to 75%. The word is that if you

> > also

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > other immune stressors, than you will become part of

> > this 74%.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The XMRV is brand new, so not as much information on it,

> > > > but it

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > mutates, thus capable of immune suppression. So, I

> > wonder if

> > > > this

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > why we use to could tolerate Lyme and Bartonella better in

> > > > prior

> > > > > > > > generations. We didn't also have retroviruses. But lets

> > say

> > > > you

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > one of these retroviruses plus pleomorphic bacteria, the

> > two

> > > > > together

> > > > > > > > would be a bad scenario. So far, they are finding most

> > with

> > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > fatigue as having this new XMRV, and 40% of those with

> > > > autism. On

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > note, my adopted girl has HTLV I on her Zyto with the

> > number

> > > > 70 by

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, these retroviruses just might be the reason some

> > get a

> > > > few

> > > > > > > > symptoms from Lyme, Bartonella and mycoplasma as

> > compared to

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > getting many symptoms. It's likely the combination of

> > immune

> > > > > > > > suppressing pathogens is the problem. So on this note,

> > does

> > > > > anyone have

> > > > > > > > an ideas on how to kill retroviruses?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here's an interesting website about it:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://aboutmecfs.org/Rsrch/XMRVPuppetMaster.aspx

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Gayatri,I don't have the answer, but feel that there is something about OSR...In our case, my son is genetically susceptible for poor capillary integrity (homozygous NOS mutation) and tested positive for blood infections such as Babesia. But I actually did not observe symptoms that were caused by these two elements. When adding in the 3rd element OSR, he suddenly for the first time developed petechiae. I know that his petechiae was partially caused by sulfur issue and metal mobilization. But I had been chelated him for 2.5 years prior using sulfur chelators ALA, DMSA, and DMPA with his NOS/CBS mutation and Babesia infection, and we had never experienced petechiae.OSR is a mystery to me. Although I used it for 5.5 months, I still can't find any meaningful information on how it works in the body. All OSR related forums are either inactive or have slow traffic. I once posted my own and my son's experience in using OSR and raised questions at the former "chelatingkids2" group, I was called Troll who tries to sabotage biomed. It was a funny feeling that I had -- after 4 years of being a diligent biomed mom.Limin

Yup, Limin, all of those along with ACE mutation. Is there a connection to the problem with the OSR? Anything else besides that co-occurring with the ACE exacerbating the situation?

Gayatri

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are 4 human retroviruses: HIV, HTLV I, HTLV II,

> > and

> > > > now

> > > > > the new

> > > > > > > > XMRV. Retroviruses mutate so that the immune system can't

> > > > > memorize how

> > > > > > > > to kill it, which is how it becomes effective. Also, since

> > > > it's

> > > > > > > > mutating, something that is killing it might be

> > effective one

> > > > > week, but

> > > > > > > > not the next. Boy, that sounds familiar. Anyhow, we all

> > know

> > > > how

> > > > > HIV

> > > > > > > > takes out the t-cells, suppressing our immune systems

> > until we

> > > > > catch a

> > > > > > > > bunch of pathogens and die (sorry for the honest truth).

> > So, I

> > > > > looked

> > > > > > > > up these other retroviruses, since immune suppression is

> > > > > definitely the

> > > > > > > > problem in our children. Apparently, they also cause

> > immune

> > > > > > > > suppression. The HTLV II is not much of a problem, but the

> > > > HTLV I

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > definitely a problem, causing paralysis in about 3%, and

> > > > various

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > troubling symptoms in 50 to 75%. The word is that if you

> > also

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > other immune stressors, than you will become part of

> > this 74%.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The XMRV is brand new, so not as much information on it,

> > > > but it

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > mutates, thus capable of immune suppression. So, I

> > wonder if

> > > > this

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > why we use to could tolerate Lyme and Bartonella better in

> > > > prior

> > > > > > > > generations. We didn't also have retroviruses. But lets

> > say

> > > > you

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > one of these retroviruses plus pleomorphic bacteria, the

> > two

> > > > > together

> > > > > > > > would be a bad scenario. So far, they are finding most

> > with

> > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > fatigue as having this new XMRV, and 40% of those with

> > > > autism. On

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > note, my adopted girl has HTLV I on her Zyto with the

> > number

> > > > 70 by

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, these retroviruses just might be the reason some

> > get a

> > > > few

> > > > > > > > symptoms from Lyme, Bartonella and mycoplasma as

> > compared to

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > getting many symptoms. It's likely the combination of

> > immune

> > > > > > > > suppressing pathogens is the problem. So on this note,

> > does

> > > > > anyone have

> > > > > > > > an ideas on how to kill retroviruses?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here's an interesting website about it:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://aboutmecfs.org/Rsrch/XMRVPuppetMaster.aspx

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Gayatri,I also want to share this with you. I once considered using Spironolactone to reduce the production of testosterone in my son. The drug is mainly used for treating conditions such as high blood pressure, water retention, or hypokalemia, but its side effect is down-regulating aldosterone and testosterone and causes potassium retention in the body. When you think of ACE mutation, all these side effects of Spironolactone are actually very desirable. My son is ACE+-. In the end, I decided to try high dose vitamin A first for the purpose of suppressing testosterone receptors. As one of my goals is to naturally balance his electrolytes to help dumping cellular wastes, I did not want to over-intervene with his electrolytes. But if he were to have ACE++, I would not hesitate to give Spironolactone a good trial. Anyway, if it turns out that high dose vitamin A does not work for us, I will go back to consider Spironolactone. Limin

Gayatri,I don't have the answer, but feel that there is something about OSR...In our case, my son is genetically susceptible for poor capillary integrity (homozygous NOS mutation) and tested positive for blood infections such as Babesia. But I actually did not observe symptoms that were caused by these two elements. When adding in the 3rd element OSR, he suddenly for the first time developed petechiae. I know that his petechiae was partially caused by sulfur issue and metal mobilization. But I had been chelated him for 2.5 years prior using sulfur chelators ALA, DMSA, and DMPA with his NOS/CBS mutation and Babesia infection, and we had never experienced petechiae.OSR is a mystery to me. Although I used it for 5.5 months, I still can't find any meaningful information on how it works in the body. All OSR related forums are either inactive or have slow traffic. I once posted my own and my son's experience in using OSR and raised questions at the former "chelatingkids2" group, I was called Troll who tries to sabotage biomed. It was a funny feeling that I had -- after 4 years of being a diligent biomed mom.Limin

Yup, Limin, all of those along with ACE mutation. Is there a connection to the problem with the OSR? Anything else besides that co-occurring with the ACE exacerbating the situation?

Gayatri

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are 4 human retroviruses: HIV, HTLV I, HTLV II,

> > and

> > > > now

> > > > > the new

> > > > > > > > XMRV. Retroviruses mutate so that the immune system can't

> > > > > memorize how

> > > > > > > > to kill it, which is how it becomes effective. Also, since

> > > > it's

> > > > > > > > mutating, something that is killing it might be

> > effective one

> > > > > week, but

> > > > > > > > not the next. Boy, that sounds familiar. Anyhow, we all

> > know

> > > > how

> > > > > HIV

> > > > > > > > takes out the t-cells, suppressing our immune systems

> > until we

> > > > > catch a

> > > > > > > > bunch of pathogens and die (sorry for the honest truth).

> > So, I

> > > > > looked

> > > > > > > > up these other retroviruses, since immune suppression is

> > > > > definitely the

> > > > > > > > problem in our children. Apparently, they also cause

> > immune

> > > > > > > > suppression. The HTLV II is not much of a problem, but the

> > > > HTLV I

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > definitely a problem, causing paralysis in about 3%, and

> > > > various

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > > troubling symptoms in 50 to 75%. The word is that if you

> > also

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > other immune stressors, than you will become part of

> > this 74%.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The XMRV is brand new, so not as much information on it,

> > > > but it

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > > mutates, thus capable of immune suppression. So, I

> > wonder if

> > > > this

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > why we use to could tolerate Lyme and Bartonella better in

> > > > prior

> > > > > > > > generations. We didn't also have retroviruses. But lets

> > say

> > > > you

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > one of these retroviruses plus pleomorphic bacteria, the

> > two

> > > > > together

> > > > > > > > would be a bad scenario. So far, they are finding most

> > with

> > > > > chronic

> > > > > > > > fatigue as having this new XMRV, and 40% of those with

> > > > autism. On

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > note, my adopted girl has HTLV I on her Zyto with the

> > number

> > > > 70 by

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So, these retroviruses just might be the reason some

> > get a

> > > > few

> > > > > > > > symptoms from Lyme, Bartonella and mycoplasma as

> > compared to

> > > > some

> > > > > > > > getting many symptoms. It's likely the combination of

> > immune

> > > > > > > > suppressing pathogens is the problem. So on this note,

> > does

> > > > > anyone have

> > > > > > > > an ideas on how to kill retroviruses?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here's an interesting website about it:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > http://aboutmecfs.org/Rsrch/XMRVPuppetMaster.aspx

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