Re: For Colin (keven & catherine)

[Guest guest]

Keven, ,

I'm not stable yet. Because I don't have enough Lorazepam to last me

until this Monday when I see my GP. I now am forced to take just

half of a 1mg tablet each day. I've started to shake and backgrounf

anxiety is rising each day. HAve episodes wher it seems unmanageable

as you see from my posts. The slow taper isn't an option, as, the

locum GP refused to prescribe more. I'm forced in to self

managing!!! Still taking the magnesium and lemon.

To tell you the truth, I am scared out of my wits with all of this.

Been fighting so long and so hard, that I keep thinking I'll never

be well or cured of this curse. Sorry, but it's the way I feel.

On Janet, I started to focus on how bad She felt, and, took what I

felt was some of her pain on board. Focusing on somebody elses

problem in the hope that I could maybe make a difference to their

suffering, takes me away from being selfish and looking at " ME " for

a while. I didn't realise that as has said, she has

unsubscribed six times before.?!?!

I'm really trying to " take care of me " , but not doing a very good

job I'm afraid.

Thanks for caring and supporting.

Very best wishes

Colin

> Dear Colin,

>

> I hope you're well today.

> Have you reached a more stable point yet?

> I hope so.

>

> If not, keep striving to get stable, then, keep aiming to get all

> better. Hopefully, that doc will at least help you with the lower

> mg's you wanted/needed for your slow taper.

>

> Also,

> Try not to (I know its hard though) try to not feel all that bad

> that Janet decided to leave & don't dwell on it. I say this, only

> because you've got enought to think about within regards to your

own

> w/d & your own life.

>

> I really hope she returns as well. I found her quite interesting

&

> loved the brutal honesty found in her posts. She'll be missed by

> me, that is for certain. I'm sad, but there is a part of me that

> understands a particular side of her. I think she'll return.

>

> Take care of you!

> Keven

[Guest guest]

" I'm forced in to self

> managing!!! .............. "

This is not such a bad thing Colin because in the fullness of time

you will be able to take charge of everything that someone else

proposed that you put into your mouth.

None of us are obliged to take these God awfull psyc

medications ........it's our bodies & our minds ........not some

jumped up GP who's main influence was some drug company sales

rep .........we are not at the beck & call of these people.

" Still taking the magnesium......... "

How much magnesium are you taking?

Which brand?

" and lemon ..................... "

What way do you take this?

> > Dear Colin,

> >

> > I hope you're well today.

> > Have you reached a more stable point yet?

> > I hope so.

> >

> > If not, keep striving to get stable, then, keep aiming to get

all

> > better. Hopefully, that doc will at least help you with the

lower

> > mg's you wanted/needed for your slow taper.

> >

> > Also,

> > Try not to (I know its hard though) try to not feel all that bad

> > that Janet decided to leave & don't dwell on it. I say this,

only

> > because you've got enought to think about within regards to your

> own

> > w/d & your own life.

> >

> > I really hope she returns as well. I found her quite

interesting

> &

> > loved the brutal honesty found in her posts. She'll be missed

by

> > me, that is for certain. I'm sad, but there is a part of me

that

> > understands a particular side of her. I think she'll return.

> >

> > Take care of you!

> > Keven

[Guest guest]

,

Magnesium B (With B vits.) and Lemon. MAgnesium and lemon advised by

. She know what she is talking about and I trust her. They

are to help decrease anxiety. I don't know all the detail, but I'm

sure can advise.

The brand I take is not the purer magnesium version, and,

has told me that the B6 may cause a problem, but, I am still taking

them till I get the more singular type.

You're right about self managing not being a bad thing. Going now.

I'm ehausted again.

Colin

> > > Dear Colin,

> > >

> > > I hope you're well today.

> > > Have you reached a more stable point yet?

> > > I hope so.

> > >

> > > If not, keep striving to get stable, then, keep aiming to get

> all

> > > better. Hopefully, that doc will at least help you with the

> lower

> > > mg's you wanted/needed for your slow taper.

> > >

> > > Also,

> > > Try not to (I know its hard though) try to not feel all that

bad

> > > that Janet decided to leave & don't dwell on it. I say this,

> only

> > > because you've got enought to think about within regards to

your

> > own

> > > w/d & your own life.

> > >

> > > I really hope she returns as well. I found her quite

> interesting

> > &

> > > loved the brutal honesty found in her posts. She'll be missed

> by

> > > me, that is for certain. I'm sad, but there is a part of me

> that

> > > understands a particular side of her. I think she'll return.

> > >

> > > Take care of you!

> > > Keven

[Guest guest]

Dear Colin,

You said:

<<I'm not stable yet. Because I don't have enough Lorazepam to last me

until this Monday when I see my GP. I now am forced to take just

half of a 1mg tablet each day. I've started to shake and backgrounf

anxiety is rising each day. HAve episodes wher it seems unmanageable

as you see from my posts. The slow taper isn't an option, as, the

locum GP refused to prescribe more. I'm forced in to self

managing!!! Still taking the magnesium and lemon.>>

** The GOOD news is that you are forced into self-management. Do you

really want to rely on the very same system that gave you Paxil?

Did you get the White Chestnut and Star of Bethlehem Bach Flower Essences I

mentioned on March 4? These would be used 4x a day. The Aconite 30C would

be used for panic attacks. I think you would really benefit from this right

now.

You said:

<<To tell you the truth, I am scared out of my wits with all of this.

Been fighting so long and so hard, that I keep thinking I'll never

be well or cured of this curse. Sorry, but it's the way I feel.>>

** It's easy to understand how you could feel this way. Let's get some

perspective on this.

Let's say you are a soccer player with a broken leg. You visited a

physician or two several times but neither diagnosed your broken leg;

therefore, it is not in a cast. You've decided that you will just work

really hard to continue playing soccer as often as you can play. You find

that you can only stay in for a short time but you do it with great

determination and forbearance. You also rest more when you're not playing

and do your best to take it easy on your leg. Despite all your hard work, a

year later you are no better than you were the day it happened. In fact, as

you think about it, you may actually be worse. You begin to despair of ever

feeling better.

One day, the team hires a new physician, Dr. M. Pathy (he was born in

India). This physician watches you play and exclaims, " Holy jumpin'

Krishna! How long have you been running around on that broken leg? "

You feel great--so relieved! Someone finally understands your problem!

After a while you realize that though the problem has been recognized, it

doesn't make it any better. Dr. M. Pathy, though very kind and concerned,

has not suggested any treatment. But there is a good reason for this. Dr.

M Pathy has never seen a broken leg like yours before and doesn't know what

to do about it. So, he does the best he can do and offers you lots of

emotional support and even extends his frienship to you. Why, on your

birthday he actually threw you a surprise party! Doc M. Pathy is a

wonderful person. So, you grit your teeth and keep going the way you were

going just trying to do the best you can do. but despite the friendship of

the fine doctor it's tedious and discouraging.

After a while you hear from a friend that there is a clinic in another

area that is recognizing and treating broken legs. You do a little

investigating on your own and find out that it indeed not only recognizes

the propblem but does things to address it.

You go there but stay on the periphery for a little while, watching and

listening.

You hear a person with a similar problem being told it is going to take

longer for her leg to heal now than it would have a year ago because of all

the time it has gone neglected (causing further damage). In fact, there

may be some permanent damage. But they is sure they can get her moving

around better than she is now.

You note that she's not happy that her leg is probably never going to

fully recover but she seems relieved that the problem is identified Now,

decisions have to be made on a treatment plan that will lead to best

possible outcome. She is told will have to still endure some pain but by

following the plan her chances of recovery are much higher even if it's not

a full recovery. In order to do this she has to follow the treatment plan.

After observing this you decide to take a chance and give this a try.

Coiln, no one acknowledged your problem and offered a viable, though long

term, solution. You've been stuck with being tough and just fighting your

way through it. But it hasn't gotten you very far.

If anyone walks away from here unhelped it is because they walked away

too soon without recognizing the need for communication and teamwork in

addressing the injury. This can be likened to going to a physician who

gives you an antibiotic that doesn't help your condition. You would contact

or re-visit that physician who would then give you another antibiotic. This

is not unusual at all and is necessary if the physician is going to be able

to help. This is how it works here, too.

Some people are looking for the one substance that will fix it all for

them. This is the same thing they were looking for when they got an

antidepressant. It doesn't work that way. The path to recovery from

antidepressants is long and has many difficult places where different

" healing tools " are needed. The only way for anyone to make proper

suggestions is by being kept informed on what is going on. It's a real

partnership and both parties need to hold up their end of it.

You said:

<<On Janet, I started to focus on how bad She felt, and, took what I

felt was some of her pain on board. Focusing on somebody elses

problem in the hope that I could maybe make a difference to their

suffering, takes me away from being selfish and looking at " ME " for

a while. I didn't realise that as has said, she has

unsubscribed six times before.?!?!>>

** There is a difference between turning your attention to another and

taking their pain onboard. If you take some of their pain you'd better have

the skills to expel it from your self or transform it into something

positive and powerful that you can give to others. At this point, I don't

think you're strong enough to do either. If you can listen to somewone

without having to take on their pain and find this helpful (many do) then

that would be fine as it takes your focus off how you are feeling.

Yes, this is approximately the 5th time Janet has unsubscribed. This

is her way of dealing with things when thry become overwhelming. I have no

reason to believe she won't be back. It just may take a while.

Take care, Colin. I'm sorry about the long story. It just kind of wrote

itself, lol.

Regards,