Re: Comments on No P Therapies and Auto-immune

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Laurel, You continue to point out good observations of women on the

WP in general. Clearly there are layers and this 'experiment' we

are all on must be watched, recorded and observed so carefully and

at times endlessly it seems. My bathroom looks like a research

center right now, with clipboards, timelines etc. It has helped me

to follow the progress of this odyssey as objectively as possible.

In this last post, you discuss E only therapies. Val posted an

article today about that and I am thinking more on it. Also,the

auto-immune phenomena (a true personalized nightmare, IMO) is

sooootricky to uncover. I venture to say that we can/do become

allergic to ourselves and that we can turn certain even good

chemicals (natural and manmade) into 'other' molecules. I think I've

done this myself (i.e like turning progesterone into testosterone).

Our bodies don't always 'read' the chemical formulas the same way.

When I have gotten into these quandries with myself, what I try to

do is eliminate EVERYTHING I can for as long as I can to determine a

base line for myself. STOP everything and see how I feel after a

month. That's what I'm doing right now w/the HP. I have seen

things clear up that had developed on top of my own best efforts, so

the elimination process is important to me. Then I slowly add back

based on the priorities of most important health issues. I know

this is hard cuz we all often have so many troublesome symptoms

going on at once.

I write this as a reminder to myself and others who may have so many

experiments in place and adding layers of confusing substances.

KISS is a favorite expression of mine (Keep It Simple, Stupid).

I am going to contine researching the NO Progesterone therapies and

of course on the hunt for the best estrogen to use. Thank you

Laurel for such a long committment to helping us all, ElleBlue

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> > Laurel and friends, That was an amazing post, Laurel! Much 'rang

> > true' for me. I have studied metabolic typing and glandular

balance

> > typing, aurveydic types, blood types, heredity typing etc. I know

> > that I am parasympathetic dominant and do better on a more acid

diet

> > with some meat added. I also know that since the earliest

> > Progesterone days of Dr Lee and the natural Progesterone products

> > that came out in the 80s, I NEVER RESPONDED WELL TO PROGESTERONE.

> > It was extremely confusing for me and I suffered double PMS as a

> > result. Naturopaths, newage healers, kept saying use

progesterone,

> > and it made everythng WORSE for me.

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> > I also have observed the 4 women I know personally on the WP and

3

> > of them are my opposite and doing well (they say or think) on the

> > WP. The other one is too soon to tell, but the WP progesterone is

> > poison for me. On top of that the base cream really did me in -

> > whatever chemical is in that, I'm allergic to it.

> >

> > So following your astute assessments and research, WHAT

> > progesterone, if any, does a parasympathetic women use if we want

> > to use estrogen? Estrogen clearly helps me. But what about

> > the 'unopposed estrogen' concept/fear/concern/myth? I can tell

you

> > that on ANY hormone therapy I've been on in the last 6 years, I

> > almost dont' need ANY progesterone to still have a period,

usually

> > before Day 25. I used relatively little of the WP progesterone

for

> > that reason. Seems as soon as I start the P cycle, I start

bleeding.

> > ANd Im 60 and have never been w/out my cycle, except during two

> > pregnancies 30 years ago.

> >

> > Does anyone know if its safe to use a natural estrogen and NOT

use

> > progesterone?

> >

> > Is it better to use an estrogen cream or a patch? I'm SO leary of

> > fat based creams after this experience with the WP P cream.

> >

> > Laurel, thank you so much for your research and sharing. I'm

> > grateful to be in dialogue with you. Part of the challenge of

this

> > syndrome 'we' are in is that it is SO hard to sort through one's

> > mind and whether 'its just me', 'I'm imagining things,' 'I'm

> > crazy 'or 'am Im obsessed!' Rational thought is a healer too! in

> > health, ElleBlue

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