Re: Explant On Friday- but capsules are staying in- ? for women who kept theirs in

[Guest guest]

lo,

i had my implants removed the second week of april and i feel much better then what i did. i still have my capsules in and i am getting better by the day. it is going to take some time to get better. i only had my in for 6 months and got really sick in january of this year. there are a couple of other girls on this site who also have there capsules still in and my doctor told me the same thing. i still have muscle pain and some twitching but that should all go away with time. i wil pray for you if you need to talk let me know

lizlolosky2 <lolosky2@...> wrote:

Hi everybody,I haven't posted for a while because I didn't have the internet for a while because I moved (still very stressed out). I have the explant sceduled this friday and my dad is paying for it, but unfortunatly I am not getting the capsules removed because it is a lot extra, and the doctor told him that the surrounding tissue would not have been effected by the silicone shell. I expressed my concern about leaving them in, but he said because it's only been 2 years and they feel soft the scar tissue will probably be thin and dissolve in a year. I was wondering if I should be concerned and how much you all thought this would effect my recovery. I was also wondering for women who have had explants with saline implants who also left the capsules in, if you all got better quickly or if you thought that

leaving them in slowed you down. I'm praying to have this surgery relieve me of my pain and twitching. Thanks again for all of you here that are there for me.-LoOpinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment. "Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a better world." - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

[Guest guest]

I don't like to be one to bear bad tidings, but I just have to share

the info that I have, out of concern for those wanting their BEST

CHANCES for full healing.

In my opinion, leaving the capsules in is a big mistake. Perhaps

some of the women on our group who have recently undergone explant

are feeling better since their surgery, even though the capsules

were left in, but we have to remember that our perspective needs to

be long term, not weeks or months. Some women may feel better while

leaving the capsules in, but in the 7 years plus that I've been

involved in this issue, I have seen many instances where women left

their capsules in and OVER THE LONG RUN, got worse, not better. I

am not saying that every woman I have talked to has experienced

this. What I am saying is that there are women who did not remove

the capsule, and 5-10 years later, are now sicker than ever. These

are women who had saline implants and had them removed years ago

when the information wasn't available that said REMOVE THE

CAPSULES. Over time, these capsules can grow and calcify and harbor

colonies of bacteria (or whatever) that can keep the disease process

in a vicious cycle. These women were very sick...I don't want to

alarm anyone, but I do want to bring the appropriate amount of

cautions to the forefront....not removing the capsule is taking a

risk. The same type of risk we took when getting implants in the

first place!

As it has been said, you really want to do this right the first time.

Make every effort to get the capsule removed upon explant, and if

that is not possible, then I would caution you to be prepared to

deal with the possibility of further complications from retained

capsules down the road. It's really a personal choice.

I know of several women who did not remove the capsules completely

and had to undergo more surgery when a year later, they were not

completely healed. Removing the capsule was the final process for

them. Beyond that, there was nothing more to be done except to work

on detoxing. There is peace of mind knowing that all remnants of

the implants and their scar tissue is gone from the body.

Please note....there is NO EVIDENCE THAT SCAR TISSUES DISSOLVES. I

have to wonder where that comes from?

On the contrary, there is evidence that scar tissue morphs and

changes over time, i.e., grows.....

please see Dr. Pierre Blais's articles on " Complications from

Retained Scar Capsules " . We have them posted in our files section.

Again, I don't wish to be one to bear bad news. However, I think it

is imperative that this particular issue is not glossed over, but

treated with the appropriate amount of concern, due to the fact that

it can mean the difference between health or chronic disease over a

lifetime. When you meet the women who have taken that chance and

lost, you will understand why I feel so strongly about it.

Patty

> Hi everybody,

> I haven't posted for a while because I didn't have the internet

for a

> while because I moved (still very stressed out). I have the

explant

> sceduled this friday and my dad is paying for it, but unfortunatly

I

> am not getting the capsules removed because it is a lot extra, and

the

> doctor told him that the surrounding tissue would not have been

> effected by the silicone shell. I expressed my concern about

leaving

> them in, but he said because it's only been 2 years and they feel

soft

> the scar tissue will probably be thin and dissolve in a year. I

was

> wondering if I should be concerned and how much you all thought

this

> would effect my recovery. I was also wondering for women who have

had

> explants with saline implants who also left the capsules in, if

you

> all got better quickly or if you thought that leaving them in

slowed

> you down. I'm praying to have this surgery relieve me of my pain

and

> twitching. Thanks again for all of you here that are there for me.

> -Lo

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are webpage devoted to the issue of retained scar tissue, or

retained scar capsules. Please read them to be informed:

http://runningrace.freeyellow.com/explantation/en_bloc.html

Highlights:

" Citing evidence that breast implant-related capsules resolve

uneventfully, surgeons have elected to leave the capsules in place

when

implants are removed because capsulectomy adds both morbidity and

expense to

the procedure. However, recent clinical and histopathologic evidence

suggests

that uneventful resolution is not always the case, and several

potential

problems may arise from retained capsules after removal of the

implant.

Retained implant capsules may result in a spiculated mass suspicious

for

carcinoma, dense calcifications that obscure neighboring breast

tissue on

subsequent imaging studies, and cystic masses due to persistent

serous

effusion, expansile hematoma, or encapsulated silicone filled cysts.

Furthermore, retained capsules are a reservoir of implant-related

foreign

material in the case of silicone gel-filled implants and textured

implants

promoting tissue ingrowth. To avoid complications from retained

capsules,

total capsulectomy or postoperative surveillance should be offered to

patients.

" There is a remarkably large body of medical and scientific

literature on

these matters which emphatically shows the capsule is the site of

the illness.

It is one thing to debunk the patient of silicone load by

explantation but

unless the capsules come out at the same time the immunopathic

process will

continue unabated. The standard is not whether something is usual our

customary, but whether it is the correct and logical thing to do. "

(Dr. Shanklin)

" In summary, a capsule with a dense fibro-collagenous wall behaves

as a

bioreactor. Worse yet, it is fitted with a semi-permeable wall that

may

periodically open to release its content to the breast. The

probability of

finding the space colonized with atypical microorganisms is elevated

and the

control of infective processes by classic pharmacologic approaches is

difficult if not impossible.

Such closed capsular spaces may be comparable to " artificial organs "

of unpredictable functions. Their behavior will depend on the

content and the

age of the structure, its maturity and the history of the patient.

There is a

high probability that these capsules will continue to evolve for

many years,

adding more layers of fibro-collagenous tissue and possibly

granulomatous

material. If bacterial entities are present within the capsule

space, they

can culminate in large breast abscesses with

will resist conservative treatments.

Even with less active capsules containing mostly oily and calcitic

debris, the thickening of the wall leads eventually to solid " tumor-

like

structures " and are, by themselves, alarming on auscultation and self

examination. At best, such structures are unique environments for

protein

denaturation and aberrant biochemical reactions with unknown long

term

consequences. "

(Dr. BLais)

> > Hi everybody,

> > I haven't posted for a while because I didn't have the internet

> for a

> > while because I moved (still very stressed out). I have the

> explant

> > sceduled this friday and my dad is paying for it, but

unfortunatly

> I

> > am not getting the capsules removed because it is a lot extra,

and

> the

> > doctor told him that the surrounding tissue would not have been

> > effected by the silicone shell. I expressed my concern about

> leaving

> > them in, but he said because it's only been 2 years and they

feel

> soft

> > the scar tissue will probably be thin and dissolve in a year. I

> was

> > wondering if I should be concerned and how much you all thought

> this

> > would effect my recovery. I was also wondering for women who

have

> had

> > explants with saline implants who also left the capsules in, if

> you

> > all got better quickly or if you thought that leaving them in

> slowed

> > you down. I'm praying to have this surgery relieve me of my

pain

> and

> > twitching. Thanks again for all of you here that are there for

me.

> > -Lo

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

given

> by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

> Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

More::

http://www.info-implants.com/Kay/05.html

> > > Hi everybody,

> > > I haven't posted for a while because I didn't have the

internet

> > for a

> > > while because I moved (still very stressed out). I have the

> > explant

> > > sceduled this friday and my dad is paying for it, but

> unfortunatly

> > I

> > > am not getting the capsules removed because it is a lot extra,

> and

> > the

> > > doctor told him that the surrounding tissue would not have

been

> > > effected by the silicone shell. I expressed my concern about

> > leaving

> > > them in, but he said because it's only been 2 years and they

> feel

> > soft

> > > the scar tissue will probably be thin and dissolve in a year.

I

> > was

> > > wondering if I should be concerned and how much you all

thought

> > this

> > > would effect my recovery. I was also wondering for women who

> have

> > had

> > > explants with saline implants who also left the capsules in,

if

> > you

> > > all got better quickly or if you thought that leaving them in

> > slowed

> > > you down. I'm praying to have this surgery relieve me of my

> pain

> > and

> > > twitching. Thanks again for all of you here that are there

for

> me.

> > > -Lo

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given

> > by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

> > licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> > treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> > better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner

(1954,

> > Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Lo,

The best time to get your capsules out is when your

implants are removed. . . ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE

SYMPTOMATIC!

Your doctor is full of IT! They will not dissolve. .

.. . I'm very concerned that he is minimizing the

problems. They could be a reservoir for bacteria your

body will be fighting for years to come. It's simply

not worth the risk!

Hugs and prayers,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

Lo,

Perhaps if you'll have your doctor and your father

read the articles Patty posted, they will understand

your concern!

Doctors like to tell women they won't get better when

they have their implants out because the implants

aren't the problem . . . NO WONDER! . . . when they

leave a bunch of toxins behind, the doctors are

probably right!

God Bless,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

I agree with Rogene, look at what happened to me. The less surgeries that

you have the faster you will heal.

Good luck....love always....Lea

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Re: Explant On Friday- but capsules are staying in-

? for women who kept theirs in

> Lo,

>

> The best time to get your capsules out is when your

> implants are removed. . . ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE

> SYMPTOMATIC!

>

> Your doctor is full of IT! They will not dissolve. .

> . . I'm very concerned that he is minimizing the

> problems. They could be a reservoir for bacteria your

> body will be fighting for years to come. It's simply

> not worth the risk!

>

> Hugs and prayers,

>

> Rogene

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live

> a happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing,

> two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>