Re: Newbie with Siatic pain

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am new to this forum and glad to have found it. I recently developed severe

lower back pain which also affects both legs. Sitting is often unbearable. I am

doing the exercises which I found on this site for back pain. They help some. I

have also recently given up nightshades as suggested on this site. Waking helps

also.

This is the first time I have ever used DMSO. I have done 2 treatments. The

second treatment on the second day helped a little. I applied it to my lower

back left it one for 1 hour.

My questions concern how long to leave DMSO on, how often to use it, and how

long before I can expect to see for sure results? Also I have some MMS. I was

wondering if that can be mixed with the DMSO for better results. I have not

used the MMS yet. New to that too.

I would appreciate any other suggestions you might have.

Thanks, Sandy

[Guest guest]

Hi Sandy, sorry to hear of your problems, I am not licensed.

But I have found systemic enzymes, really help with pain, and healing, and

may help you, you should google them. I like vitalzyme from amazon.com,

but there are others.

If you think you muscles may be restricted, tight, you might ponder taking

doses of magnesium, it will lower your blood pressure and relax your

muscles, and help you relax and sleep. Some use magnesium oil, nigari, or

magnesium chloride hex. Just get plenty in your body. I found it helpful

to mix in mag oil with dmso and apply directly to my back.

Take a warm bath and soak in epson salt, nigari or mag chloride nex.

I crush up an aspirin and mix it with the dmso, then apply, it takes the

aspirin in directly to the pain.

It has never occured to me to use MMS with dmso, that would be novel, and

it might help concentrate dmso, as they are very close chemically.

Anyhoo, when I hurt my back this is what helped me, if I laid perfectly

still, I was ok, but if I moved it seemed like an eyelash, I had stabbing

pains in my lower back.

But long term healing will be greatly assisted with systemic enzymes. check

them out.

good lubock david lubbock tx.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Although I use DMSO when needed for stressed muscles, you don't JUST want

to relieve the pain you want to solve the problem so there is no more pain

- FOREVER. To strengthen the tissues in your back between the vertebrae and

the discs increase your Vitamin C intake slowly to a minimum of 10,000 mg

daily. Linus ing was using daily 18,000 mg of vitamin C and only

urinated off 15%. The rest was going to work - HEALING.

I had the same pain back in my 30's. I solved the problem with my vitamin

C intake which was 10,000 mg back then. I've taken a minimum of 10,000 mg

daily for 35 years. I've never suffered a back pain since I healed it. It

will take a few months to heal, but it should heal. Maintenance after is

still a minimum of 10,000 mg daily - FOREVER. Great cancer preventative,

too.

> **

>

>

> Hi Sandy, sorry to hear of your problems, I am not licensed.

> But I have found systemic enzymes, really help with pain, and healing, and

> may help you, you should google them. I like vitalzyme from amazon.com,

> but there are others.

> If you think you muscles may be restricted, tight, you might ponder taking

> doses of magnesium, it will lower your blood pressure and relax your

> muscles, and help you relax and sleep. Some use magnesium oil, nigari, or

> magnesium chloride hex. Just get plenty in your body. I found it helpful

> to mix in mag oil with dmso and apply directly to my back.

> Take a warm bath and soak in epson salt, nigari or mag chloride nex.

> I crush up an aspirin and mix it with the dmso, then apply, it takes the

> aspirin in directly to the pain.

> It has never occured to me to use MMS with dmso, that would be novel, and

> it might help concentrate dmso, as they are very close chemically.

> Anyhoo, when I hurt my back this is what helped me, if I laid perfectly

> still, I was ok, but if I moved it seemed like an eyelash, I had stabbing

> pains in my lower back.

> But long term healing will be greatly assisted with systemic enzymes. check

> them out.

> good lubock david lubbock tx.

>

>

[Guest guest]

, thanks for chiming in and sharing your experience and knowledge, that

is ten grams of c a day, does it not cause the trotts? just

asking.....should I start low and work up, or just take ten grams?

Obviously Linus ing is a huge name to toss around. I want to learn

more, david lubbock tx.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:02 AM, E. s <

jonellis.stevens77@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi,

> Although I use DMSO when needed for stressed muscles, you don't JUST want

> to relieve the pain you want to solve the problem so there is no more pain

> - FOREVER. To strengthen the tissues in your back between the vertebrae and

> the discs increase your Vitamin C intake slowly to a minimum of 10,000 mg

> daily. Linus ing was using daily 18,000 mg of vitamin C and only

> urinated off 15%. The rest was going to work - HEALING.

> I had the same pain back in my 30's. I solved the problem with my vitamin

> C intake which was 10,000 mg back then. I've taken a minimum of 10,000 mg

> daily for 35 years. I've never suffered a back pain since I healed it. It

> will take a few months to heal, but it should heal. Maintenance after is

> still a minimum of 10,000 mg daily - FOREVER. Great cancer preventative,

> too.

>

>

>

>

>

> > **

>

> >

> >

> > Hi Sandy, sorry to hear of your problems, I am not licensed.

> > But I have found systemic enzymes, really help with pain, and healing,

> and

> > may help you, you should google them. I like vitalzyme from amazon.com,

> > but there are others.

> > If you think you muscles may be restricted, tight, you might ponder

> taking

> > doses of magnesium, it will lower your blood pressure and relax your

> > muscles, and help you relax and sleep. Some use magnesium oil, nigari, or

> > magnesium chloride hex. Just get plenty in your body. I found it helpful

> > to mix in mag oil with dmso and apply directly to my back.

> > Take a warm bath and soak in epson salt, nigari or mag chloride nex.

> > I crush up an aspirin and mix it with the dmso, then apply, it takes the

> > aspirin in directly to the pain.

> > It has never occured to me to use MMS with dmso, that would be novel, and

> > it might help concentrate dmso, as they are very close chemically.

> > Anyhoo, when I hurt my back this is what helped me, if I laid perfectly

> > still, I was ok, but if I moved it seemed like an eyelash, I had stabbing

> > pains in my lower back.

> > But long term healing will be greatly assisted with systemic enzymes.

> check

> > them out.

> > good lubock david lubbock tx.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

:

Yes, there is a bowel tolerance. It may give you a little gas, too. No big

deal to me. Take with meals. I'd start with 1000 mg per meal (3 a day)

for a week, increase to 2000 mg per meal (6000 mg a day) for the second

week, and then hit the 10,000 mg mark the third week. The tissues around

your vertebrae are obviously weak and need the vitamin C to strengthen and

heal. But it will take time - you need to be very patient. My sciatic

pain made me nauseous it was so intense. Before I got smart - I was seeing

a chiropractor every two weeks. I haven't seen one since it healed 35

years ago... Not only has this worked for me, but for others I've

counseled.

> , thanks for chiming in and sharing your experience and knowledge, that

> is ten grams of c a day, does it not cause the trotts? just

> asking.....should I start low and work up, or just take ten grams?

> Obviously Linus ing is a huge name to toss around. I want to learn

> more, david lubbock tx.

>

> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:02 AM, E. s <

> jonellis.stevens77@...> wrote:

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> > Although I use DMSO when needed for stressed muscles, you don't JUST want

> > to relieve the pain you want to solve the problem so there is no more

> pain

> > - FOREVER. To strengthen the tissues in your back between the vertebrae

> and

> > the discs increase your Vitamin C intake slowly to a minimum of 10,000 mg

> > daily. Linus ing was using daily 18,000 mg of vitamin C and only

> > urinated off 15%. The rest was going to work - HEALING.

> > I had the same pain back in my 30's. I solved the problem with my vitamin

> > C intake which was 10,000 mg back then. I've taken a minimum of 10,000 mg

> > daily for 35 years. I've never suffered a back pain since I healed it. It

> > will take a few months to heal, but it should heal. Maintenance after is

> > still a minimum of 10,000 mg daily - FOREVER. Great cancer preventative,

> > too.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > **

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Sandy, sorry to hear of your problems, I am not licensed.

> > > But I have found systemic enzymes, really help with pain, and healing,

> > and

> > > may help you, you should google them. I like vitalzyme from amazon.com

> ,

> > > but there are others.

> > > If you think you muscles may be restricted, tight, you might ponder

> > taking

> > > doses of magnesium, it will lower your blood pressure and relax your

> > > muscles, and help you relax and sleep. Some use magnesium oil, nigari,

> or

> > > magnesium chloride hex. Just get plenty in your body. I found it

> helpful

> > > to mix in mag oil with dmso and apply directly to my back.

> > > Take a warm bath and soak in epson salt, nigari or mag chloride nex.

> > > I crush up an aspirin and mix it with the dmso, then apply, it takes

> the

> > > aspirin in directly to the pain.

> > > It has never occured to me to use MMS with dmso, that would be novel,

> and

> > > it might help concentrate dmso, as they are very close chemically.

> > > Anyhoo, when I hurt my back this is what helped me, if I laid perfectly

> > > still, I was ok, but if I moved it seemed like an eyelash, I had

> stabbing

> > > pains in my lower back.

> > > But long term healing will be greatly assisted with systemic enzymes.

> > check

> > > them out.

> > > good lubock david lubbock tx.

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for a very thorough answer, such a simple thing to do, to

eliminate so much pain and hurt. Hopfully C may replace the oxycodone, I

really don't like that drug, I feel disoriented aready, and then take it, I

am lost.

david lubbock tx.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:33 AM, E. s <

jonellis.stevens77@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> :

>

> Yes, there is a bowel tolerance. It may give you a little gas, too. No big

> deal to me. Take with meals. I'd start with 1000 mg per meal (3 a day)

> for a week, increase to 2000 mg per meal (6000 mg a day) for the second

> week, and then hit the 10,000 mg mark the third week. The tissues around

> your vertebrae are obviously weak and need the vitamin C to strengthen and

> heal. But it will take time - you need to be very patient. My sciatic

> pain made me nauseous it was so intense. Before I got smart - I was seeing

> a chiropractor every two weeks. I haven't seen one since it healed 35

> years ago... Not only has this worked for me, but for others I've

> counseled.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > , thanks for chiming in and sharing your experience and knowledge,

> that

> > is ten grams of c a day, does it not cause the trotts? just

> > asking.....should I start low and work up, or just take ten grams?

> > Obviously Linus ing is a huge name to toss around. I want to learn

> > more, david lubbock tx.

> >

> > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:02 AM, E. s <

> > jonellis.stevens77@...> wrote:

> >

> > > **

>

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > > Although I use DMSO when needed for stressed muscles, you don't JUST

> want

> > > to relieve the pain you want to solve the problem so there is no more

> > pain

> > > - FOREVER. To strengthen the tissues in your back between the vertebrae

> > and

> > > the discs increase your Vitamin C intake slowly to a minimum of 10,000

> mg

> > > daily. Linus ing was using daily 18,000 mg of vitamin C and only

> > > urinated off 15%. The rest was going to work - HEALING.

> > > I had the same pain back in my 30's. I solved the problem with my

> vitamin

> > > C intake which was 10,000 mg back then. I've taken a minimum of 10,000

> mg

> > > daily for 35 years. I've never suffered a back pain since I healed it.

> It

> > > will take a few months to heal, but it should heal. Maintenance after

> is

> > > still a minimum of 10,000 mg daily - FOREVER. Great cancer

> preventative,

> > > too.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > **

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Sandy, sorry to hear of your problems, I am not licensed.

> > > > But I have found systemic enzymes, really help with pain, and

> healing,

> > > and

> > > > may help you, you should google them. I like vitalzyme from

> amazon.com

> > ,

> > > > but there are others.

> > > > If you think you muscles may be restricted, tight, you might ponder

> > > taking

> > > > doses of magnesium, it will lower your blood pressure and relax your

> > > > muscles, and help you relax and sleep. Some use magnesium oil,

> nigari,

> > or

> > > > magnesium chloride hex. Just get plenty in your body. I found it

> > helpful

> > > > to mix in mag oil with dmso and apply directly to my back.

> > > > Take a warm bath and soak in epson salt, nigari or mag chloride nex.

> > > > I crush up an aspirin and mix it with the dmso, then apply, it takes

> > the

> > > > aspirin in directly to the pain.

> > > > It has never occured to me to use MMS with dmso, that would be novel,

> > and

> > > > it might help concentrate dmso, as they are very close chemically.

> > > > Anyhoo, when I hurt my back this is what helped me, if I laid

> perfectly

> > > > still, I was ok, but if I moved it seemed like an eyelash, I had

> > stabbing

> > > > pains in my lower back.

> > > > But long term healing will be greatly assisted with systemic enzymes.

> > > check

> > > > them out.

> > > > good lubock david lubbock tx.

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Please be aware that Vit. will pull minerals out of your body. While

it's good that it will pull heavy metals out, you want to be sure to

be putting the minerals you need back in. Take your vitamin C at

different times than when you are taking your minerals. Dr. Bate

recommends taking your C AM and PM and taking your minerals at noon.

I think you are safe as long as you allow 4 hours away from the

vitamin C.

mara

[Guest guest]

Not all C is the same.

if you take liposomal C or ascorbyl palmitate, you don't have this problem.

most of the ascorbic acid info is woefully out-of-date, and most of those

crystals are toxic

someone posted a process to make your own lipo-C recently, but i can't find it

in my files. --tls

Subject: Re: Newbie with Siatic pain

Please be aware that Vit. will pull minerals out of your body. While

it's good that it will pull heavy metals out, you want to be sure to

be putting the minerals you need back in. Take your vitamin C at

different times than when you are taking your minerals. Dr. Bate

recommends taking your C AM and PM and taking your minerals at noon.

I think you are safe as long as you allow 4 hours away from the

vitamin C. ---mara

[Guest guest]

Great point MM, if you wore a hat noone would notice. LOL's.

More serious, it took me many years to understand, gotta get the minerals

right or vitamins

are wasted effort and funds. I think I have a good min regiment now, so

off to taking them at noontime as the young lady suggests, thanks MM, david

lubbock tx.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Mara Miles wrote:

> **

>

>

> Please be aware that Vit. will pull minerals out of your body. While

> it's good that it will pull heavy metals out, you want to be sure to

> be putting the minerals you need back in. Take your vitamin C at

> different times than when you are taking your minerals. Dr. Bate

> recommends taking your C AM and PM and taking your minerals at noon.

> I think you are safe as long as you allow 4 hours away from the

> vitamin C.

>

> mara

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Build up your C tolerance.

The dose that causes diarrhea today won't tomorrow.

I take 20 grams daily...

Chuck

You want me to clean what???

> , thanks for chiming in and sharing your experience and knowledge,

> that

> is ten grams of c a day, does it not cause the trotts? just

> asking.....should I start low and work up, or just take ten grams?

> Obviously Linus ing is a huge name to toss around. I want to learn

> more, david lubbock tx.

>

[Guest guest]

Chuck; what kind to you use?

I'm finding the acid to be a problem; gives me mouth sores. I have to

use half baking soda with my C (making it sodium ascorbate) and I'm not

certain the effect is the same as straight ascorbic acid.

Saralou

>

> Build up your C tolerance.

> The dose that causes diarrhea today won't tomorrow.

> I take 20 grams daily...

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

I've always gone by price, and I've always used ascorbic acid

crystals. Over 35 years now.

Some will argue one source over another. I haven't experienced any

advantage.

Right now I've loaded up on

http://www.puritan.com/vitamin-c-products-025/vitamin-c-crystals-003162

Makes a fine lemonade drink with a bit of Stevia...

Chuck

You send `em to school ... they eat the books.

> Chuck; what kind to you use?

>

> I'm finding the acid to be a problem; gives me mouth sores. I have to

> use half baking soda with my C (making it sodium ascorbate) and I'm

> not

> certain the effect is the same as straight ascorbic acid.

>

> Saralou

>

>

> >

> > Build up your C tolerance.

> > The dose that causes diarrhea today

> won't tomorrow.

> > I take 20 grams daily...

> >

> > Chuck

> >

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the suggestion. I will try the Vitamin C and build up like you

mentioned. Glad you mentioned to be patient so I wouldn't give up. Any

suggestion on type of Vit C? I have a sensitive stomach also.

Sandy

>

> :

>

> Yes, there is a bowel tolerance. It may give you a little gas, too. No big

> deal to me. Take with meals. I'd start with 1000 mg per meal (3 a day)

> for a week, increase to 2000 mg per meal (6000 mg a day) for the second

> week, and then hit the 10,000 mg mark the third week. The tissues around

> your vertebrae are obviously weak and need the vitamin C to strengthen and

> heal. But it will take time - you need to be very patient. My sciatic

> pain made me nauseous it was so intense. Before I got smart - I was seeing

> a chiropractor every two weeks. I haven't seen one since it healed 35

> years ago... Not only has this worked for me, but for others I've

> counseled.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have to try this - I've seen a chiropractor at least once a week for this

last 14 months

Jane

Re: Newbie with Siatic pain

> :

>

> Yes, there is a bowel tolerance. It may give you a little gas, too. No

> big

> deal to me. Take with meals. I'd start with 1000 mg per meal (3 a day)

> for a week, increase to 2000 mg per meal (6000 mg a day) for the second

> week, and then hit the 10,000 mg mark the third week. The tissues around

> your vertebrae are obviously weak and need the vitamin C to strengthen and

> heal. But it will take time - you need to be very patient. My sciatic

> pain made me nauseous it was so intense. Before I got smart - I was

> seeing

> a chiropractor every two weeks. I haven't seen one since it healed 35

> years ago... Not only has this worked for me, but for others I've

> counseled.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> , thanks for chiming in and sharing your experience and knowledge,

>> that

>> is ten grams of c a day, does it not cause the trotts? just

>> asking.....should I start low and work up, or just take ten grams?

>> Obviously Linus ing is a huge name to toss around. I want to learn

>> more, david lubbock tx.

>>

>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:02 AM, E. s <

>> jonellis.stevens77@...> wrote:

>>

>> > **

>> >

>> >

>> > Hi,

>> > Although I use DMSO when needed for stressed muscles, you don't JUST

>> > want

>> > to relieve the pain you want to solve the problem so there is no more

>> pain

>> > - FOREVER. To strengthen the tissues in your back between the vertebrae

>> and

>> > the discs increase your Vitamin C intake slowly to a minimum of 10,000

>> > mg

>> > daily. Linus ing was using daily 18,000 mg of vitamin C and only

>> > urinated off 15%. The rest was going to work - HEALING.

>> > I had the same pain back in my 30's. I solved the problem with my

>> > vitamin

>> > C intake which was 10,000 mg back then. I've taken a minimum of 10,000

>> > mg

>> > daily for 35 years. I've never suffered a back pain since I healed it.

>> > It

>> > will take a few months to heal, but it should heal. Maintenance after

>> > is

>> > still a minimum of 10,000 mg daily - FOREVER. Great cancer

>> > preventative,

>> > too.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > > **

>> >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Hi Sandy, sorry to hear of your problems, I am not licensed.

>> > > But I have found systemic enzymes, really help with pain, and

>> > > healing,

>> > and

>> > > may help you, you should google them. I like vitalzyme from

>> > > amazon.com

>> ,

>> > > but there are others.

>> > > If you think you muscles may be restricted, tight, you might ponder

>> > taking

>> > > doses of magnesium, it will lower your blood pressure and relax your

>> > > muscles, and help you relax and sleep. Some use magnesium oil,

>> > > nigari,

>> or

>> > > magnesium chloride hex. Just get plenty in your body. I found it

>> helpful

>> > > to mix in mag oil with dmso and apply directly to my back.

>> > > Take a warm bath and soak in epson salt, nigari or mag chloride nex.

>> > > I crush up an aspirin and mix it with the dmso, then apply, it takes

>> the

>> > > aspirin in directly to the pain.

>> > > It has never occured to me to use MMS with dmso, that would be novel,

>> and

>> > > it might help concentrate dmso, as they are very close chemically.

>> > > Anyhoo, when I hurt my back this is what helped me, if I laid

>> > > perfectly

>> > > still, I was ok, but if I moved it seemed like an eyelash, I had

>> stabbing

>> > > pains in my lower back.

>> > > But long term healing will be greatly assisted with systemic enzymes.

>> > check

>> > > them out.

>> > > good lubock david lubbock tx.

>> > >

>> > >

[Guest guest]

I am weighing in here because I once suffered a displaced vertebrae,

around 1976. My GP wanted to put me in traction for 10 days. No thanks

to that, and it did not address_alignment._ Chiros were not nearly as

common as today. Besides, I was then so far along, I figured I would

need tempy relief from inflammationa and pain. My Dad said to see an

osteo because the spine is like a stack of coins and needs each coin to

be aligned with the ones adjacent to it. He said traction did not

address that. He suffered with a lower spinal issue all of his life, so

I followed his advice. I went to an Osteopath and he used ultrasound,

heat, a muscle relaxer shot, and a steroid shot. After around 20 min,

he came in and massaged my lower back and then jerked my legs so hard

that I was pulled over a foot on his table each time. I suppose that

was instant traction, to stretch my spine. I had an extremely inflamed

disc and sciatic nerve, and had sporadic muscle contractions that were

so severe that they took my breath away and made me double up in pain.

Nearly crawled into his office. Anyway, he also did a thing where he

caused my torso to rotate one way while my hips were held so that they

faced the other way and could not follow my shoulders. I heard my spine

pop. He reversed the direction and repeated the maneuver and again I

heard a pop. I was able to stand up for the first time in a week

immediately.

It recurred in around 6 months and again, I went in but did not need the

shots because I did not let it get nearly as far along and did not let

the nerve and disc become inflamed. I decided then and there to pay

attention to what he did and vowed to learn to duplicate it at home to

avoid the trip and expense (then $80/visit). Apparently it worked and I

have had innumerable recurrences, yet have always resolved them myself

by getting down on the floor and doing that thing of counter-rotating.

Sometimes I can feel and occasionally even hear it, but often I cannot.

Yet, it does work because I have not had to return to a doc for 35

years. So by keeping it in alignment over the years, I have avoided

bone spurs, deformed disc, etc, and a lot of pain and expense.

My problem area is 4th vertebrae, lumbar region. I caused it by working

on a project for hours that called for me to bend forward at the waist.

To this day at age 69, I can lift and set such things as cinder blocks

and not injure my back. I routinely do gardening, yard work, work on

cars, etc with no ill effects to my spine. I attribute that to keeping

my spine aligned each and every time it has slipped out of place over

the years, instead of covering the pain and leaving it mis-aligned.

Gerry

> Thanks for a very thorough answer, such a simple thing to do, to

> eliminate so much pain and hurt. Hopfully C may replace the oxycodone, I

> really don't like that drug, I feel disoriented aready, and then take it, I

> am lost.

> david lubbock tx.

>

> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:33 AM, E. s<

> jonellis.stevens77@...> wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> :

>>

>> Yes, there is a bowel tolerance. It may give you a little gas, too. No big

>> deal to me. Take with meals. I'd start with 1000 mg per meal (3 a day)

>> for a week, increase to 2000 mg per meal (6000 mg a day) for the second

>> week, and then hit the 10,000 mg mark the third week. The tissues around

>> your vertebrae are obviously weak and need the vitamin C to strengthen and

>> heal. But it will take time - you need to be very patient. My sciatic

>> pain made me nauseous it was so intense. Before I got smart - I was seeing

>> a chiropractor every two weeks. I haven't seen one since it healed 35

>> years ago... Not only has this worked for me, but for others I've

>> counseled.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>> , thanks for chiming in and sharing your experience and knowledge,

>> that

>>> is ten grams of c a day, does it not cause the trotts? just

>>> asking.....should I start low and work up, or just take ten grams?

>>> Obviously Linus ing is a huge name to toss around. I want to learn

>>> more, david lubbock tx.

>>>

>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:02 AM, E. s<

>>> jonellis.stevens77@...> wrote:

>>>

>>>> **

>>>>

>>>> Hi,

>>>> Although I use DMSO when needed for stressed muscles, you don't JUST

>> want

>>>> to relieve the pain you want to solve the problem so there is no more

>>> pain

>>>> - FOREVER. To strengthen the tissues in your back between the vertebrae

>>> and

>>>> the discs increase your Vitamin C intake slowly to a minimum of 10,000

>> mg

>>>> daily. Linus ing was using daily 18,000 mg of vitamin C and only

>>>> urinated off 15%. The rest was going to work - HEALING.

>>>> I had the same pain back in my 30's. I solved the problem with my

>> vitamin

>>>> C intake which was 10,000 mg back then. I've taken a minimum of 10,000

>> mg

>>>> daily for 35 years. I've never suffered a back pain since I healed it.

>> It

>>>> will take a few months to heal, but it should heal. Maintenance after

>> is

>>>> still a minimum of 10,000 mg daily - FOREVER. Great cancer

>> preventative,

>>>> too.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> **

>>>>>

>>>>> Hi Sandy, sorry to hear of your problems, I am not licensed.

>>>>> But I have found systemic enzymes, really help with pain, and

>> healing,

>>>> and

>>>>> may help you, you should google them. I like vitalzyme from

>> amazon.com

>>> ,

>>>>> but there are others.

>>>>> If you think you muscles may be restricted, tight, you might ponder

>>>> taking

>>>>> doses of magnesium, it will lower your blood pressure and relax your

>>>>> muscles, and help you relax and sleep. Some use magnesium oil,

>> nigari,

>>> or

>>>>> magnesium chloride hex. Just get plenty in your body. I found it

>>> helpful

>>>>> to mix in mag oil with dmso and apply directly to my back.

>>>>> Take a warm bath and soak in epson salt, nigari or mag chloride nex.

>>>>> I crush up an aspirin and mix it with the dmso, then apply, it takes

>>> the

>>>>> aspirin in directly to the pain.

>>>>> It has never occured to me to use MMS with dmso, that would be novel,

>>> and

>>>>> it might help concentrate dmso, as they are very close chemically.

>>>>> Anyhoo, when I hurt my back this is what helped me, if I laid

>> perfectly

>>>>> still, I was ok, but if I moved it seemed like an eyelash, I had

>>> stabbing

>>>>> pains in my lower back.

>>>>> But long term healing will be greatly assisted with systemic enzymes.

>>>> check

>>>>> them out.

>>>>> good lubock david lubbock tx.

>>>>>

>>>>>

[Guest guest]

>My problem area is 4th vertebrae, lumbar region.

>I caused it by working on a project for hours that

>called for me to bend forward at the waist.

I also did the same thing years ago. Working on a

project and not resting the back, then it's a couple

of weeks in bed.When the back goes out, you're

bed ridden. Not much you can do except heal.

As time passed, I took more breaks, resting the back.

Also did the lying on the floor with one leg vertical and

thrown to the left while shoulders moved to the right.

It works like you said.

Your dad was right, the Osteo is better than the chiro.

Not that all chiros are bad.

If you find a good one, stay with him.

As we get older, back exercises are important.

Smitty

[Guest guest]

Folks:

I agree that exercise and stretching the back is important. I also agree

that osteopaths and chiropractors are very helpful. I've experienced their

success on me in aligning my vertebrae and discs - my trouble was with the

4th and 5th lumbar and the disc in between. Once aligned you need strong

tissue to 'keep' them in place - or continue to be re-aligned many times

over through the years. If you strengthen the tissues over time (using

good whole food forms, if possible, of vitamin C, the less re-alignments

you'll incur. This will not happen overnight, although within 3 months you

should feel a noticeable healing difference. If there's inflamation, why

not add Tumeric, or Krill Oil, good fish oil - to aid that problem. But

getting up to a minimum of 10 grams a day is a necessity. At 70 years old,

I take between 10 - 18 grams daily over the course of the day - always with

food. No loose bowels (build-up slowly to massive doses). But I also eat

very healthy foods - 90% organic veggies and fruits. Pressure can 150 -200

pints and quarts of organic veggies and fruits from my organic garden. My

drinking and cooking water is deep spring and free of chlorine (yuk!) and

the other poison - fluoride. The Ph level is in the mid 9's. All of this

is intrinsic to good health.

Tom Levy, MD.,(3 books at LivOn Labs). might be the foremost authority on

Vitamin C and has written extensively (with over 650 MD documentations) on

our basic Vitamin C deficiency. Documented: MD's were curing Polio in the

1930's with IV Vitamin C!!!

I've taken a minimum of 10 grams of Vitamin daily for over 35 years. Other

whole food organic supplements, too. At 6'5 " tall and 195 pounds, I'm in

great health from eating 90 & organic - always - no compromise no meds) and

in great physical shape (basic exercising). I still have a full-head of

thick blond hair.

*AND* very important, my back *always STAYS* aligned. When in my 30's I

could've walked off a curb and viciously thrown it out... It just doesn't

happen, very gladly, anymore.

Hope this helps.

> **

>

>

> >My problem area is 4th vertebrae, lumbar region.

> >I caused it by working on a project for hours that

> >called for me to bend forward at the waist.

>

> I also did the same thing years ago. Working on a

> project and not resting the back, then it's a couple

> of weeks in bed.When the back goes out, you're

> bed ridden. Not much you can do except heal.

> As time passed, I took more breaks, resting the back.

> Also did the lying on the floor with one leg vertical and

> thrown to the left while shoulders moved to the right.

> It works like you said.

> Your dad was right, the Osteo is better than the chiro.

> Not that all chiros are bad.

> If you find a good one, stay with him.

> As we get older, back exercises are important.

> Smitty

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

cheaper to buy thru pet store

VICKY

To: DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

From: highfield1@...

Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 23:17:01 +1100

Subject: Re: Newbie with Siatic pain

I have to try this - I've seen a chiropractor at least once a week for

this

last 14 months

Jane

Re: Newbie with Siatic pain

> :

>

> Yes, there is a bowel tolerance. It may give you a little gas, too. No

> big

> deal to me. Take with meals. I'd start with 1000 mg per meal (3 a day)

> for a week, increase to 2000 mg per meal (6000 mg a day) for the second

> week, and then hit the 10,000 mg mark the third week. The tissues around

> your vertebrae are obviously weak and need the vitamin C to strengthen and

> heal. But it will take time - you need to be very patient. My sciatic

> pain made me nauseous it was so intense. Before I got smart - I was

> seeing

> a chiropractor every two weeks. I haven't seen one since it healed 35

> years ago... Not only has this worked for me, but for others I've

> counseled.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> , thanks for chiming in and sharing your experience and knowledge,

>> that

>> is ten grams of c a day, does it not cause the trotts? just

>> asking.....should I start low and work up, or just take ten grams?

>> Obviously Linus ing is a huge name to toss around. I want to learn

>> more, david lubbock tx.

>>

>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:02 AM, E. s <

>> jonellis.stevens77@...> wrote:

>>

>> > **

>> >

>> >

>> > Hi,

>> > Although I use DMSO when needed for stressed muscles, you don't JUST

>> > want

>> > to relieve the pain you want to solve the problem so there is no more

>> pain

>> > - FOREVER. To strengthen the tissues in your back between the vertebrae

>> and

>> > the discs increase your Vitamin C intake slowly to a minimum of 10,000

>> > mg

>> > daily. Linus ing was using daily 18,000 mg of vitamin C and only

>> > urinated off 15%. The rest was going to work - HEALING.

>> > I had the same pain back in my 30's. I solved the problem with my

>> > vitamin

>> > C intake which was 10,000 mg back then. I've taken a minimum of 10,000

>> > mg

>> > daily for 35 years. I've never suffered a back pain since I healed it.

>> > It

>> > will take a few months to heal, but it should heal. Maintenance after

>> > is

>> > still a minimum of 10,000 mg daily - FOREVER. Great cancer

>> > preventative,

>> > too.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > > **

>> >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > Hi Sandy, sorry to hear of your problems, I am not licensed.

>> > > But I have found systemic enzymes, really help with pain, and

>> > > healing,

>> > and

>> > > may help you, you should google them. I like vitalzyme from

>> > > amazon.com

>> ,

>> > > but there are others.

>> > > If you think you muscles may be restricted, tight, you might ponder

>> > taking

>> > > doses of magnesium, it will lower your blood pressure and relax your

>> > > muscles, and help you relax and sleep. Some use magnesium oil,

>> > > nigari,

>> or

>> > > magnesium chloride hex. Just get plenty in your body. I found it

>> helpful

>> > > to mix in mag oil with dmso and apply directly to my back.

>> > > Take a warm bath and soak in epson salt, nigari or mag chloride nex.

>> > > I crush up an aspirin and mix it with the dmso, then apply, it takes

>> the

>> > > aspirin in directly to the pain.

>> > > It has never occured to me to use MMS with dmso, that would be novel,

>> and

>> > > it might help concentrate dmso, as they are very close chemically.

>> > > Anyhoo, when I hurt my back this is what helped me, if I laid

>> > > perfectly

>> > > still, I was ok, but if I moved it seemed like an eyelash, I had

>> stabbing

>> > > pains in my lower back.

>> > > But long term healing will be greatly assisted with systemic enzymes.

>> > check

>> > > them out.

>> > > good lubock david lubbock tx.

>> > >

>> > >

[Guest guest]

Vitamin C?

I think I did see some this week in the produce store here too

I took 10 grams yesterday

Re: Newbie with Siatic pain

>

>

>

>> :

>

>>

>

>> Yes, there is a bowel tolerance. It may give you a little gas, too. No

>

>> big

>

>> deal to me. Take with meals. I'd start with 1000 mg per meal (3 a day)

>

>> for a week, increase to 2000 mg per meal (6000 mg a day) for the second

>

>> week, and then hit the 10,000 mg mark the third week. The tissues around

>

>> your vertebrae are obviously weak and need the vitamin C to strengthen

>> and

>

>> heal. But it will take time - you need to be very patient. My sciatic

>

>> pain made me nauseous it was so intense. Before I got smart - I was

>

>> seeing

>

>> a chiropractor every two weeks. I haven't seen one since it healed 35

>

>> years ago... Not only has this worked for me, but for others I've

>

>> counseled.

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>

>

>>> , thanks for chiming in and sharing your experience and knowledge,

>

>>> that

>

>>> is ten grams of c a day, does it not cause the trotts? just

>

>>> asking.....should I start low and work up, or just take ten grams?

>

>>> Obviously Linus ing is a huge name to toss around. I want to learn

>

>>> more, david lubbock tx.

>

>>>

>

>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:02 AM, E. s <

>

>>> jonellis.stevens77@...> wrote:

>

>>>

>

>>> > **

>

>>> >

>

>>> >

>

>>> > Hi,

>

>>> > Although I use DMSO when needed for stressed muscles, you don't JUST

>

>>> > want

>

>>> > to relieve the pain you want to solve the problem so there is no more

>

>>> pain

>

>>> > - FOREVER. To strengthen the tissues in your back between the

>>> > vertebrae

>

>>> and

>

>>> > the discs increase your Vitamin C intake slowly to a minimum of 10,000

>

>>> > mg

>

>>> > daily. Linus ing was using daily 18,000 mg of vitamin C and only

>

>>> > urinated off 15%. The rest was going to work - HEALING.

>

>>> > I had the same pain back in my 30's. I solved the problem with my

>

>>> > vitamin

>

>>> > C intake which was 10,000 mg back then. I've taken a minimum of 10,000

>

>>> > mg

>

>>> > daily for 35 years. I've never suffered a back pain since I healed it.

>

>>> > It

>

>>> > will take a few months to heal, but it should heal. Maintenance after

>

>>> > is

>

>>> > still a minimum of 10,000 mg daily - FOREVER. Great cancer

>

>>> > preventative,

>

>>> > too.

>

>>> >

>

>>> >

>

>>> >

>

>>> >

>

>>> >

>

>>> > > **

>

>>> >

>

>>> > >

>

>>> > >

>

>>> > > Hi Sandy, sorry to hear of your problems, I am not licensed.

>

>>> > > But I have found systemic enzymes, really help with pain, and

>

>>> > > healing,

>

>>> > and

>

>>> > > may help you, you should google them. I like vitalzyme from

>

>>> > > amazon.com

>

>>> ,

>

>>> > > but there are others.

>

>>> > > If you think you muscles may be restricted, tight, you might ponder

>

>>> > taking

>

>>> > > doses of magnesium, it will lower your blood pressure and relax your

>

>>> > > muscles, and help you relax and sleep. Some use magnesium oil,

>

>>> > > nigari,

>

>>> or

>

>>> > > magnesium chloride hex. Just get plenty in your body. I found it

>

>>> helpful

>

>>> > > to mix in mag oil with dmso and apply directly to my back.

>

>>> > > Take a warm bath and soak in epson salt, nigari or mag chloride nex.

>

>>> > > I crush up an aspirin and mix it with the dmso, then apply, it takes

>

>>> the

>

>>> > > aspirin in directly to the pain.

>

>>> > > It has never occured to me to use MMS with dmso, that would be

>>> > > novel,

>

>>> and

>

>>> > > it might help concentrate dmso, as they are very close chemically.

>

>>> > > Anyhoo, when I hurt my back this is what helped me, if I laid

>

>>> > > perfectly

>

>>> > > still, I was ok, but if I moved it seemed like an eyelash, I had

>

>>> stabbing

>

>>> > > pains in my lower back.

>

>>> > > But long term healing will be greatly assisted with systemic

>>> > > enzymes.

>

>>> > check

>

>>> > > them out.

>

>>> > > good lubock david lubbock tx.

>

>>> > >

>

>>> > >

[Guest guest]

I have been dealing with hip pain that waxes full blown Sicatica during the

" bad " times. So far what has helped the most is Borage Oil, probably because my

need for activated Omega 6 was not being addressed by me at all. Just way down

on my list when it should have

been much higher! LOL

Other than that I have taken Curcumin with Bioperine, MSM, Boweillia

specificlly to improve and heal. They seem to help but not like the Borage Oil

did.

I will try the Vit C and believe in high dose but recently had a wrench thrown

at me about Ascorbic Acid and Buffered C, both being synthetically produced, an

herbalist I work with said it takes MUCH more of these types of C to do anything

in the body than if you use natural plant based C. It is of course more pricey

but at the moment I have a 40% discount so could easily give it a whirl over

synthetic.

I take some maintenance C but not nearly enough. 2,000 mg of buffered if I am

good that day and take all of my supps.

Any thoughts on the natural C requiring lower doses? Or liposomal for that

matter? I don't mind taking 10,000 mg but if I can find a way to take fewer

pills and concoctions it helps me keep it up. (I now jump at any supps that are

liquid and taste good, they are so much easier and sometimes cheaper, love my

liquid B12.)

I would dearly love to know that the stiffness and pain from my hip, that is now

affecting my knees and back, as it is from last January when I moved and over

did it, could be solved with good ol' Vit C!

Janet

>

> >> >

>

> >> > > **

>

> >> >

>

> >> > >

>

> >> > >

>

> >> > > Hi Sandy, sorry to hear of your problems, I am not licensed.

>

> >> > > But I have found systemic enzymes, really help with pain, and

>

> >> > > healing,

>

> >> > and

>

> >> > > may help you, you should google them. I like vitalzyme from

>

> >> > > amazon.com

>

> >> ,

>

> >> > > but there are others.

>

> >> > > If you think you muscles may be restricted, tight, you might ponder

>

> >> > taking

>

> >> > > doses of magnesium, it will lower your blood pressure and relax your

>

> >> > > muscles, and help you relax and sleep. Some use magnesium oil,

>

> >> > > nigari,

>

> >> or

>

> >> > > magnesium chloride hex. Just get plenty in your body. I found it

>

> >> helpful

>

> >> > > to mix in mag oil with dmso and apply directly to my back.

>

> >> > > Take a warm bath and soak in epson salt, nigari or mag chloride nex.

>

> >> > > I crush up an aspirin and mix it with the dmso, then apply, it takes

>

> >> the

>

> >> > > aspirin in directly to the pain.

>

> >> > > It has never occured to me to use MMS with dmso, that would be novel,

>

> >> and

>

> >> > > it might help concentrate dmso, as they are very close chemically.

>

> >> > > Anyhoo, when I hurt my back this is what helped me, if I laid

>

> >> > > perfectly

>

> >> > > still, I was ok, but if I moved it seemed like an eyelash, I had

>

> >> stabbing

>

> >> > > pains in my lower back.

>

> >> > > But long term healing will be greatly assisted with systemic enzymes.

>

> >> > check

>

> >> > > them out.

>

> >> > > good lubock david lubbock tx.

>

> >> > >

>

> >> > >

[Guest guest]

hemp oil and black currant are even higher in GLA than borage or primrose.

might be worth a try since it seems to help. Liposomal C wd be my choice

and/or ascorbyl palmitate. In this form the dose can go pretty much as high as

you desire. I'd just work w/ my body and see how it responds. ---tls

www.wonderlabs.com/itemleft.php?itemnum=3892 2-3x GLA than primrose

www.healthtruthrevealed.com/articles/17040722308/article

From: Garnet

Subject: Re: Newbie with Siatic pain

I have been dealing with hip pain that waxes full blown Sicatica during the

" bad " times. So far what has helped the most is Borage Oil, probably because my

need for activated Omega 6 was not being addressed by me at all. ... Other than

that I have taken Curcumin with Bioperine, MSM, Boweillia specificlly to improve

and heal. They seem to help but not like the Borage Oil did.

Any thoughts on the natural C requiring lower doses? Or liposomal for that

matter? --Janet

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

Here is some information on ascorbic acid that might address some of

your questions. Dr. Bate has much more on his site. He recommends

Ascorbic Acid over other forms of vitamin C.

Best,

Mara

+++++

Have You Ever Wondered...

Why humans (and all primates) get so many sicknesses from viruses and

bacteria as compared to all the other animals on this planet?

Think about it for a minute. Eagles, Hawks, and Vultures eat meat

that would kill us. So, can cats and dogs. Why can't we?

A lot of years ago, I found out that answer, and it helped turn my

life completely around. (My NT therapy has done most of the rest.)

It seems that some 65 million years ago all primates, including the

ape family and our ancestors lost one enzyme that is needed in the

body to change glucose (blood sugar) into ascorbic acid. Yes, that's

right. Ascorbic acid is the basic form of Vitamin C. Even more

important, vitamin C kills viruses and bacteria in the bloodstream.

Linus ing tried very hard to preach this truth to us, but few

listened. And Big Pharma has managed to fool most of us with lies

and phony tricks.

Almost every animal on this planet can make ascorbic acid AS REQUIRED

except we humans, our ape relatives, and a few other " funny " animals.

Some years ago, I talked to the primate veterinarian in a zoo. I was

amazed to find that a 150 pound ape gets 4000mg of vitamin C per day

for good health. Now, since apes are very expensive (much more so

than the humans who look at them evidently), and apes are rarely

sick in zoos, in spite of the viruses and bacteria they get), how

come we don't " ape " this and take these same amounts? It actually

is sort of a conspiracy by Big Pharma. You see, if we know the real

truth about ascorbic acid Vitamin C, they'll lose a whole lot of

money just in drugs and patent medicines.

Most of us are aware that a minimum amount of ascorbic acid is

necessary to avoid the horrible disease scurvy, and Captain Cook is

credited with using limes on his ships to avoid this dreaded disease

that probably killed more seamen than gunfire. That minimum was part

of the original Minimum Daily Amount (MDA) of various vitamins

formulated back in the early 1900's. By lobbying a lot Big Pharma

and Big Food managed to get the FDA to change this to Recommended

Daily Allowance (RDA), and somehow 75 mg per day of ascorbic acid

became " accepted " by the media as a " good " daily dosage. It might

avoid scurvy, but is not even close to " good health " , or even GDA

(my term for Good Daily Health).

Big Pharma and Big Food both have fostered this small amount (a

" minimum " to avoid scurvy) myth. Big food because it makes their

food look better than it is. Big Pharma as it leads to poorer health

and sales of patented drug profits with which to " buy " politicians of

both parties. And they do.

In addition, Big Pharma has sponsored at least 4 separate

" scientific peer reviewed " (doesn't that sound really authentic?)

tests " proving " that Vitamin C does not do much of anything to solve

colds or flu.

These so-called scientific tests usually consisted of taking a bunch

of people with colds and virus (same thing mostly), and dosing with

1000 mg per hour. Now, since 75 mg is a " good dose to take daily,

1000 mg has to be a " megadose " . The actual truth is that by the

time symptoms of a cold show up, the virus has doubled at least 20

times in 10 hours - yes a typical virus doubles in size and numbers

every 20 minutes.

The result of 1000mg is way too little at that point to affect many

billions of virus cells. Even if it killed half of the existing

virus cells in the blood, it is ineffective. Here's mathematically

why. At the end of the first 20 minutes, the virus is back up to

original strength, and at the end of 40 minutes it is double that,

and at the time of taking the next dosage of 1000mg, the virus is up

to 4 times the original.

The data is almost correct - ascorbic acid has very little effect if

not enough is given.

I take that 4 grams (4000mg) daily, usually 2 at breakfast and 2 at

dinner. Then I take minerals taken out of the body by ascorbic acid

at noon, using a megavitamin with minerals as needed. vitamin C

lasts only about 3-4 hours, so the new nutritional minerals are

absorbed. Now, that's the " usual, but suppose I feel that " tickle in

the back of my throat, or a sneeze or any other sign of a cold. I

start taking 4000 mg every 15 minutes. Usually by the 2nd or 3rd

dose, I'm completely cured.

Wow, is that much vitamin C dangerous? What are any side-effects?

The ONLY side effects from taking much more than the above is

diarrhea. And, that's a good thing, as it tells you that you took

enough to do the job. It's called " bowel tolerance " , and it signals

you that you reached the correct amount, and a bit over. It's a

small price to pay - diarrhea isn't all that pleasant, but it sure as

hell beats any flu or cold.

And that's only the beginning. It seems that if you use the cheapest

form of ascorbic acid (Costco at around $15 for 500 one gram

tablets), you also start to take out toxic minerals, and in the now

highly polluted world, my hair analysis of toxic minerals shows only

1 " measurable " , and that one is arsenic. All the rest including

mercury and aluminum are gone. (The arsenic comes from fruit and

veggies from Central and South America where they use pesticides, and

it is so low that no one need worry about it).

Even another benefit. It seems that we in this culture get way too

much calcium, and not enough of other vitamins and minerals to turn

it from blood calcium into bones, hair and fingernails, so it

deposits in fatty areas, and onto bones and into arteries as

storage. This causes many back problems as well as blocking

arteries. Interesting, when that artery calcium is removed by the

ascorbic acid, the cholesterol, and fatty acids simply wash away. No

need for open heart surgery, and no need to watch your cholesterol.

High cholesterol is better in effect. (Big Pharma doesn't want you

to know this of course).

The next " benefit " is known, but also downplayed by Big Pharma as

insignificant. It's an antioxidant in the blood, and it prevents and

in some ways cures cancer. (Used at 75 mg per day, that antioxidant

factor is unimportant, but in 4000mg per day it's much more so.

BTW, if it has my last name on the label (As in " ascor " bate " ), it

cannot do what ascorbic acid does, combine with minerals and take

them out of the body. Those forms are more expensive and don't do as

much for you. Don't be misled by hype and advertising.

If you are one who cannot take plain ascorbic acid, you are probably

allergic to corn, as that is what most ascorbic acid is made from.

There are some (more expensive) forms made from potatoes etc. Google

to find them.

I never met Linus ing, only talked to him on the phone in 1982.

I learned a lot of 'truth " about vitamin C from him. I hope you can

learn some of that from me, It'll change your life for the better.

---

For those who would like to research back issues of this weekly

newsletter go to:

http://drbate.com/content/ newsletterSheet.shtml

>

> I will try the Vit C and believe in high dose but recently had a

> wrench thrown at me about Ascorbic Acid and Buffered C, both being

> synthetically produced, an herbalist I work with said it takes MUCH

> more of these types of C to do anything in the body than if you use

> natural plant based C. It is of course more pricey but at the

> moment I have a 40% discount so could easily give it a whirl over

> synthetic.

>

> I take some maintenance C but not nearly enough. 2,000 mg of

> buffered if I am good that day and take all of my supps.

[Guest guest]

Ive been curious about ascorbic acid and the effect on pH. ing's work is

very interesting but admittedly I've only touched on it so have not delved into

finding how a person with very low pH is affected by high doses of ascorbic acid

( which I've thought lowers pH).

Might you speak to that aspect a bit?

>

> > **

> >

> >

> > >My problem area is 4th vertebrae, lumbar region.

> > >I caused it by working on a project for hours that

> > >called for me to bend forward at the waist.

> >

> > I also did the same thing years ago. Working on a

> > project and not resting the back, then it's a couple

> > of weeks in bed.When the back goes out, you're

> > bed ridden. Not much you can do except heal.

> > As time passed, I took more breaks, resting the back.

> > Also did the lying on the floor with one leg vertical and

> > thrown to the left while shoulders moved to the right.

> > It works like you said.

> > Your dad was right, the Osteo is better than the chiro.

> > Not that all chiros are bad.

> > If you find a good one, stay with him.

> > As we get older, back exercises are important.

> > Smitty

> >

> >

> >