Guest guest Posted May 11, 2005 Report Share Posted May 11, 2005 Hi Kathy, I did a female hormone panel with Dr. Leu. My levels were dangerously high and it took months to get it down. The problem is that I felt really good when my progesterone was high, so the way I feel is no indication of hormone balance. I get migraines when progesterone is low. Kenda -Kenda How did you know that your progesterone was overtreated? I am on some right now and want to make sure I don't get too much also. Kathy -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> wrote: > Hi Stacie, > > I am very estrogen dominant and have had dangerously high levels of > estrogen. I take ProGone progesterone sublingual tablets and have had no > symptoms like have been described here. The problem I have had is that my > progesterone was over treated by a doc previous to Dr. Leu and we have had a > heck of a time getting it back down. I, too, am tiny, 5’4” and 100 pounds > on a heavy day. So I guess we are the anomalies with regard to weight and > hormones. > > Kenda > > > Patty, > > > > Let me ask you this typically if you are estrogen dominant dont you tend to > > battle with weight. I'm very tiny and that's why I found it strange that I > > would have estrogen dominance. The first time I was tested I was low in > > estrogen the next time I was low in progesterone so thats why we went with > > the progesterone. I dont know I think I will stop the progesterone, I sure > > dont want to fall back into that brain foginess that took me so long to get > > rid of. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > Stacie > > > > > > > >> >From: " glory2glory1401 " <glory2glory1401@y...> > >> >Reply- > >> > > >> >Subject: Re: progesterone > >> >Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:42:44 -0000 > >> > > >> >Hmmm, this is one of those things where you might need to go really > >> >slowly and see if this is going to work for you in the long term or > >> >not. Are you both under the care of doctors who are monitoring your > >> >hormone levels? > >> > > >> >Progesterone is needed to offset estrogen dominance, and it could > >> >just be that your hormones are re-balancing. I used progesterone > >> >cream for a period of time....very short initially as I got break > >> >through bleeding (got my period halfway through my cycle). I didn't > >> >know what to think either, but Dr. Kolb told me to back off of it. > >> > > >> >I did, but when I was diagnosed with the Hashimoto's, I gave it > >> >another go and I did better with it then. I used it for probably > >> >six months or so. I could tell it definitely had an effect on my > >> >cycle, and it did not make my symptoms worse at that point. It may > >> >have helped, but it wasn't one of those things that I could > >> >say, " Eureka! This is it! " I just felt better knowing that it was > >> >supporting my thyroid and balancing the estrogen, which is > >> >detrimental when it is dominant. I have used both the sublingual and > >> >the cream. The sublinguals tasted gross. I still have them. > >> > > >> >If you know it is the progesterone making your symptoms worse, ask > >> >your doctor. You may need to quit taking it. However, it also may > >> >be a situation where you need to let your body acclimate to the idea > >> >of taking it and get balanced out, so that in time, you are feeling > >> >much better. > >> > > >> >Hormones generally are hard to balance, and this includes the > >> >thyroid. > >> > > >> >When I started taking thyroid meds, at first I didn't feel all that > >> >hot with them. I felt kinda crappy. But I definitely needed them. > >> >It took about 6 weeks for my body to get used to a daily dose of > >> >armour, and after that, things really leveled out. Of course, now I > >> >rarely take them at all. My body seems to have adjusted well and > >> >rebalanced itself or something.... > >> > > >> >Hope this helps to make some sense of it all... > >> >I know it is difficult ladies... > >> >Love, > >> >Patty > >> > > >> > > >>> > > > >>>> > > >Okay Ladies, > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > >I had blood work done that showed I was low in progesterone, so I > >> >just > >>>> > > >started taking the natural cream and it is putting me back into > >> >the brain > >>>> > > >fog I had when I first got my implants. Does anyone know why > >> >this would > >>>> > > >happen. > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > >Thanks so much, > >>>> > > >Stacie > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> > > >>From: Rogene S <saxony01@y...> > >>>>> > > >>Reply- > >>>>> > > >> < >, SiliconeKids > >>>>> > > >><siliconekids > > >>>>> > > >>Subject: Rally in DC > >>>>> > > >>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:03:07 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> > > >>Note: forwarded message attached. > >>>>> > > >><< message5.txt >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice > >> >given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician > >> >or licensed health care professional before commencing any medical > >> >treatment. > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians > >> >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >> >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > >> >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954, > >> >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 - Kenda How did you get it down? I did saliva testing and it showed my progesterone was below normal. My md has me supplementing with progesterone cream. I don't want to get too much however. Perhaps I should go back and get retested? Kathy -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> wrote: > Hi Kathy, > > I did a female hormone panel with Dr. Leu. My levels were dangerously high > and it took months to get it down. The problem is that I felt really good > when my progesterone was high, so the way I feel is no indication of hormone > balance. I get migraines when progesterone is low. > > Kenda > > > > -Kenda > > How did you know that your progesterone was overtreated? I am on > > some right now and want to make sure I don't get too much also. > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> > > wrote: > >> > Hi Stacie, > >> > > >> > I am very estrogen dominant and have had dangerously high levels of > >> > estrogen. I take ProGone progesterone sublingual tablets and have > > had no > >> > symptoms like have been described here. The problem I have had is > > that my > >> > progesterone was over treated by a doc previous to Dr. Leu and we > > have had a > >> > heck of a time getting it back down. I, too, am tiny, 5¹4² and > > 100 pounds > >> > on a heavy day. So I guess we are the anomalies with regard to > > weight and > >> > hormones. > >> > > >> > Kenda > >> > > >>> > > Patty, > >>> > > > >>> > > Let me ask you this typically if you are estrogen dominant dont > > you tend to > >>> > > battle with weight. I'm very tiny and that's why I found it > > strange that I > >>> > > would have estrogen dominance. The first time I was tested I > > was low in > >>> > > estrogen the next time I was low in progesterone so thats why we > > went with > >>> > > the progesterone. I dont know I think I will stop the > > progesterone, I sure > >>> > > dont want to fall back into that brain foginess that took me so > > long to get > >>> > > rid of. > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks for your help, > >>> > > Stacie > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>> > >> >From: " glory2glory1401 " <glory2glory1401@y...> > >>>>> > >> >Reply- > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >Subject: Re: progesterone > >>>>> > >> >Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:42:44 -0000 > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >Hmmm, this is one of those things where you might need to go > > really > >>>>> > >> >slowly and see if this is going to work for you in the long > > term or > >>>>> > >> >not. Are you both under the care of doctors who are > > monitoring your > >>>>> > >> >hormone levels? > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >Progesterone is needed to offset estrogen dominance, and it > > could > >>>>> > >> >just be that your hormones are re-balancing. I used > > progesterone > >>>>> > >> >cream for a period of time....very short initially as I got > > break > >>>>> > >> >through bleeding (got my period halfway through my cycle). I > > didn't > >>>>> > >> >know what to think either, but Dr. Kolb told me to back off of > > it. > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >I did, but when I was diagnosed with the Hashimoto's, I gave it > >>>>> > >> >another go and I did better with it then. I used it for > > probably > >>>>> > >> >six months or so. I could tell it definitely had an effect on > > my > >>>>> > >> >cycle, and it did not make my symptoms worse at that point. > > It may > >>>>> > >> >have helped, but it wasn't one of those things that I could > >>>>> > >> >say, " Eureka! This is it! " I just felt better knowing that it > > was > >>>>> > >> >supporting my thyroid and balancing the estrogen, which is > >>>>> > >> >detrimental when it is dominant. I have used both the > > sublingual and > >>>>> > >> >the cream. The sublinguals tasted gross. I still have them. > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >If you know it is the progesterone making your symptoms worse, > > ask > >>>>> > >> >your doctor. You may need to quit taking it. However, it > > also may > >>>>> > >> >be a situation where you need to let your body acclimate to > > the idea > >>>>> > >> >of taking it and get balanced out, so that in time, you are > > feeling > >>>>> > >> >much better. > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >Hormones generally are hard to balance, and this includes the > >>>>> > >> >thyroid. > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >When I started taking thyroid meds, at first I didn't feel all > > that > >>>>> > >> >hot with them. I felt kinda crappy. But I definitely needed > > them. > >>>>> > >> >It took about 6 weeks for my body to get used to a daily dose > > of > >>>>> > >> >armour, and after that, things really leveled out. Of course, > > now I > >>>>> > >> >rarely take them at all. My body seems to have adjusted well > > and > >>>>> > >> >rebalanced itself or something.... > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >Hope this helps to make some sense of it all... > >>>>> > >> >I know it is difficult ladies... > >>>>> > >> >Love, > >>>>> > >> >Patty > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Okay Ladies, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >I had blood work done that showed I was low in > > progesterone, so I > >>>>> > >> >just > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >started taking the natural cream and it is putting me > > back into > >>>>> > >> >the brain > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >fog I had when I first got my implants. Does anyone > > know why > >>>>> > >> >this would > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >happen. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Thanks so much, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Stacie > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>From: Rogene S <saxony01@y...> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Reply- > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> < >, > > SiliconeKids > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >><siliconekids > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Subject: Rally in DC > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:03:07 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Note: forwarded message attached. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >><< message5.txt >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of > > advice > >>>>> > >> >given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your > > physician > >>>>> > >> >or licensed health care professional before commencing any > > medical > >>>>> > >> >treatment. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the > > politicians > >>>>> > >> >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >>>>> > >> >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > >>>>> > >> >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner > > (1954, > >>>>> > >> >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 Hi Kathy, I went off progesterone for a while but it didn’t bring the numbers down. I then took calcium d-glucarate for several months to get the level to come down. My liver is sluggish, which is why it took so long for my progesterone to level out. I’d definitely recommend getting retested if you have been on it for a while. Kenda - Kenda How did you get it down? I did saliva testing and it showed my progesterone was below normal. My md has me supplementing with progesterone cream. I don't want to get too much however. Perhaps I should go back and get retested? Kathy -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> wrote: > Hi Kathy, > > I did a female hormone panel with Dr. Leu. My levels were dangerously high > and it took months to get it down. The problem is that I felt really good > when my progesterone was high, so the way I feel is no indication of hormone > balance. I get migraines when progesterone is low. > > Kenda > > > > -Kenda > > How did you know that your progesterone was overtreated? I am on > > some right now and want to make sure I don't get too much also. > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> > > wrote: > >> > Hi Stacie, > >> > > >> > I am very estrogen dominant and have had dangerously high levels of > >> > estrogen. I take ProGone progesterone sublingual tablets and have > > had no > >> > symptoms like have been described here. The problem I have had is > > that my > >> > progesterone was over treated by a doc previous to Dr. Leu and we > > have had a > >> > heck of a time getting it back down. I, too, am tiny, 5’4” and > > 100 pounds > >> > on a heavy day. So I guess we are the anomalies with regard to > > weight and > >> > hormones. > >> > > >> > Kenda > >> > > >>> > > Patty, > >>> > > > >>> > > Let me ask you this typically if you are estrogen dominant dont > > you tend to > >>> > > battle with weight. I'm very tiny and that's why I found it > > strange that I > >>> > > would have estrogen dominance. The first time I was tested I > > was low in > >>> > > estrogen the next time I was low in progesterone so thats why we > > went with > >>> > > the progesterone. I dont know I think I will stop the > > progesterone, I sure > >>> > > dont want to fall back into that brain foginess that took me so > > long to get > >>> > > rid of. > >>> > > > >>> > > Thanks for your help, > >>> > > Stacie > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>>>> > >> >From: " glory2glory1401 " <glory2glory1401@y...> > >>>>> > >> >Reply- > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >Subject: Re: progesterone > >>>>> > >> >Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:42:44 -0000 > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >Hmmm, this is one of those things where you might need to go > > really > >>>>> > >> >slowly and see if this is going to work for you in the long > > term or > >>>>> > >> >not. Are you both under the care of doctors who are > > monitoring your > >>>>> > >> >hormone levels? > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >Progesterone is needed to offset estrogen dominance, and it > > could > >>>>> > >> >just be that your hormones are re-balancing. I used > > progesterone > >>>>> > >> >cream for a period of time....very short initially as I got > > break > >>>>> > >> >through bleeding (got my period halfway through my cycle). I > > didn't > >>>>> > >> >know what to think either, but Dr. Kolb told me to back off of > > it. > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >I did, but when I was diagnosed with the Hashimoto's, I gave it > >>>>> > >> >another go and I did better with it then. I used it for > > probably > >>>>> > >> >six months or so. I could tell it definitely had an effect on > > my > >>>>> > >> >cycle, and it did not make my symptoms worse at that point. > > It may > >>>>> > >> >have helped, but it wasn't one of those things that I could > >>>>> > >> >say, " Eureka! This is it! " I just felt better knowing that it > > was > >>>>> > >> >supporting my thyroid and balancing the estrogen, which is > >>>>> > >> >detrimental when it is dominant. I have used both the > > sublingual and > >>>>> > >> >the cream. The sublinguals tasted gross. I still have them. > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >If you know it is the progesterone making your symptoms worse, > > ask > >>>>> > >> >your doctor. You may need to quit taking it. However, it > > also may > >>>>> > >> >be a situation where you need to let your body acclimate to > > the idea > >>>>> > >> >of taking it and get balanced out, so that in time, you are > > feeling > >>>>> > >> >much better. > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >Hormones generally are hard to balance, and this includes the > >>>>> > >> >thyroid. > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >When I started taking thyroid meds, at first I didn't feel all > > that > >>>>> > >> >hot with them. I felt kinda crappy. But I definitely needed > > them. > >>>>> > >> >It took about 6 weeks for my body to get used to a daily dose > > of > >>>>> > >> >armour, and after that, things really leveled out. Of course, > > now I > >>>>> > >> >rarely take them at all. My body seems to have adjusted well > > and > >>>>> > >> >rebalanced itself or something.... > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> >Hope this helps to make some sense of it all... > >>>>> > >> >I know it is difficult ladies... > >>>>> > >> >Love, > >>>>> > >> >Patty > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Okay Ladies, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >I had blood work done that showed I was low in > > progesterone, so I > >>>>> > >> >just > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >started taking the natural cream and it is putting me > > back into > >>>>> > >> >the brain > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >fog I had when I first got my implants. Does anyone > > know why > >>>>> > >> >this would > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >happen. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Thanks so much, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Stacie > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>From: Rogene S <saxony01@y...> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Reply- > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> < >, > > SiliconeKids > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >><siliconekids > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Subject: Rally in DC > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:03:07 -0700 (PDT) > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Note: forwarded message attached. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >><< message5.txt >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of > > advice > >>>>> > >> >given by licensed health care professionals. Consult your > > physician > >>>>> > >> >or licensed health care professional before commencing any > > medical > >>>>> > >> >treatment. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the > > politicians > >>>>> > >> >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own > >>>>> > >> >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a > >>>>> > >> >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner > > (1954, > >>>>> > >> >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 -- Thanks kenda. I probably will. I was supposed to go back in march and get retested but just haven't done it. On the other hand, my hot flashes are under control. But it doesn't appear to have done mucn for my crying at the drop of a hat. It is embarrassing! Perimenopausal stinks! Hugs Kathy - In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> wrote: > Hi Kathy, > > I went off progesterone for a while but it didn¹t bring the numbers down. I > then took calcium d-glucarate for several months to get the level to come > down. My liver is sluggish, which is why it took so long for my > progesterone to level out. I¹d definitely recommend getting retested if you > have been on it for a while. > > Kenda > > > > - > > Kenda > > How did you get it down? I did saliva testing and it showed my > > progesterone was below normal. My md has me supplementing with > > progesterone cream. I don't want to get too much however. Perhaps > > I should go back and get retested? > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> > > wrote: > >> > Hi Kathy, > >> > > >> > I did a female hormone panel with Dr. Leu. My levels were > > dangerously high > >> > and it took months to get it down. The problem is that I felt > > really good > >> > when my progesterone was high, so the way I feel is no indication > > of hormone > >> > balance. I get migraines when progesterone is low. > >> > > >> > Kenda > >> > > >> > > >>> > > -Kenda > >>> > > How did you know that your progesterone was overtreated? I am on > >>> > > some right now and want to make sure I don't get too much also. > >>> > > Kathy > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> > >>> > > wrote: > >>>>> > >> > Hi Stacie, > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > I am very estrogen dominant and have had dangerously high > > levels of > >>>>> > >> > estrogen. I take ProGone progesterone sublingual tablets and > > have > >>> > > had no > >>>>> > >> > symptoms like have been described here. The problem I have > > had is > >>> > > that my > >>>>> > >> > progesterone was over treated by a doc previous to Dr. Leu > > and we > >>> > > have had a > >>>>> > >> > heck of a time getting it back down. I, too, am tiny, 5¹4² > > and > >>> > > 100 pounds > >>>>> > >> > on a heavy day. So I guess we are the anomalies with regard > > to > >>> > > weight and > >>>>> > >> > hormones. > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > Kenda > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Patty, > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Let me ask you this typically if you are estrogen dominant > > dont > >>> > > you tend to > >>>>>>> > >>> > > battle with weight. I'm very tiny and that's why I found > > it > >>> > > strange that I > >>>>>>> > >>> > > would have estrogen dominance. The first time I was > > tested I > >>> > > was low in > >>>>>>> > >>> > > estrogen the next time I was low in progesterone so thats > > why we > >>> > > went with > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the progesterone. I dont know I think I will stop the > >>> > > progesterone, I sure > >>>>>>> > >>> > > dont want to fall back into that brain foginess that took > > me so > >>> > > long to get > >>>>>>> > >>> > > rid of. > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Thanks for your help, > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Stacie > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >From: " glory2glory1401 " <glory2glory1401@y...> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Reply- > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Subject: Re: progesterone > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:42:44 -0000 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Hmmm, this is one of those things where you might need > > to go > >>> > > really > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >slowly and see if this is going to work for you in the > > long > >>> > > term or > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >not. Are you both under the care of doctors who are > >>> > > monitoring your > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >hormone levels? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Progesterone is needed to offset estrogen dominance, > > and it > >>> > > could > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >just be that your hormones are re- balancing. I used > >>> > > progesterone > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >cream for a period of time....very short initially as > > I got > >>> > > break > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >through bleeding (got my period halfway through my > > cycle). I > >>> > > didn't > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >know what to think either, but Dr. Kolb told me to > > back off of > >>> > > it. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >I did, but when I was diagnosed with the Hashimoto's, > > I gave it > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >another go and I did better with it then. I used it > > for > >>> > > probably > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >six months or so. I could tell it definitely had an > > effect on > >>> > > my > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >cycle, and it did not make my symptoms worse at that > > point. > >>> > > It may > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >have helped, but it wasn't one of those things that I > > could > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >say, " Eureka! This is it! " I just felt better knowing > > that it > >>> > > was > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >supporting my thyroid and balancing the estrogen, > > which is > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >detrimental when it is dominant. I have used both the > >>> > > sublingual and > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >the cream. The sublinguals tasted gross. I still > > have them. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >If you know it is the progesterone making your > > symptoms worse, > >>> > > ask > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >your doctor. You may need to quit taking it. > > However, it > >>> > > also may > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >be a situation where you need to let your body > > acclimate to > >>> > > the idea > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >of taking it and get balanced out, so that in time, > > you are > >>> > > feeling > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >much better. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Hormones generally are hard to balance, and this > > includes the > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >thyroid. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >When I started taking thyroid meds, at first I didn't > > feel all > >>> > > that > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >hot with them. I felt kinda crappy. But I definitely > > needed > >>> > > them. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >It took about 6 weeks for my body to get used to a > > daily dose > >>> > > of > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >armour, and after that, things really leveled out. Of > > course, > >>> > > now I > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >rarely take them at all. My body seems to have > > adjusted well > >>> > > and > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >rebalanced itself or something.... > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Hope this helps to make some sense of it all... > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >I know it is difficult ladies... > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Love, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Patty > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Okay Ladies, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >I had blood work done that showed I was low > > in > >>> > > progesterone, so I > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >just > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >started taking the natural cream and it is > > putting me > >>> > > back into > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >the brain > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >fog I had when I first got my implants. > > Does anyone > >>> > > know why > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >this would > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >happen. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Thanks so much, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Stacie > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>From: Rogene S <saxony01@y...> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Reply-To: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > > < >, > >>> > > SiliconeKids > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >><siliconekids > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Subject: Rally in DC > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:03:07 -0700 > > (PDT) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Note: forwarded message attached. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >><< message5.txt >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take > the > > place of > >>> > > advice > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >given by licensed health care professionals. Consult > > your > >>> > > physician > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >or licensed health care professional before commencing > > any > >>> > > medical > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >treatment. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities > > or the > >>> > > politicians > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make > > your own > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to > > work for a > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize > > Winner > >>> > > (1954, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >For Healing Therapies and Detox info, and > to > > view > >>> > > Testimonies of > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Victims, and Studies of harm by implants, go to: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > >> > /files/ > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >To view links to related websites on breast > > implants, go > >>> > > to: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > >> > /links > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2005 Report Share Posted May 12, 2005 It sounds like your estrogen could be out of whack too. When my estrogen is too high, I have hot flashes and night sweats. When estrogen is in balance, I don’t. Yes, perimenopause does stink!! Kenda Thanks kenda. I probably will. I was supposed to go back in march and get retested but just haven't done it. On the other hand, my hot flashes are under control. But it doesn't appear to have done mucn for my crying at the drop of a hat. It is embarrassing! Perimenopausal stinks! Hugs Kathy - In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> wrote: > Hi Kathy, > > I went off progesterone for a while but it didn’t bring the numbers down. I > then took calcium d-glucarate for several months to get the level to come > down. My liver is sluggish, which is why it took so long for my > progesterone to level out. I’d definitely recommend getting retested if you > have been on it for a while. > > Kenda > > > > - > > Kenda > > How did you get it down? I did saliva testing and it showed my > > progesterone was below normal. My md has me supplementing with > > progesterone cream. I don't want to get too much however. Perhaps > > I should go back and get retested? > > Kathy > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> > > wrote: > >> > Hi Kathy, > >> > > >> > I did a female hormone panel with Dr. Leu. My levels were > > dangerously high > >> > and it took months to get it down. The problem is that I felt > > really good > >> > when my progesterone was high, so the way I feel is no indication > > of hormone > >> > balance. I get migraines when progesterone is low. > >> > > >> > Kenda > >> > > >> > > >>> > > -Kenda > >>> > > How did you know that your progesterone was overtreated? I am on > >>> > > some right now and want to make sure I don't get too much also. > >>> > > Kathy > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > -- In , Kenda Skaggs <kdskaggs@c...> > >>> > > wrote: > >>>>> > >> > Hi Stacie, > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > I am very estrogen dominant and have had dangerously high > > levels of > >>>>> > >> > estrogen. I take ProGone progesterone sublingual tablets and > > have > >>> > > had no > >>>>> > >> > symptoms like have been described here. The problem I have > > had is > >>> > > that my > >>>>> > >> > progesterone was over treated by a doc previous to Dr. Leu > > and we > >>> > > have had a > >>>>> > >> > heck of a time getting it back down. I, too, am tiny, 5’4” > > and > >>> > > 100 pounds > >>>>> > >> > on a heavy day. So I guess we are the anomalies with regard > > to > >>> > > weight and > >>>>> > >> > hormones. > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>> > >> > Kenda > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Patty, > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Let me ask you this typically if you are estrogen dominant > > dont > >>> > > you tend to > >>>>>>> > >>> > > battle with weight. I'm very tiny and that's why I found > > it > >>> > > strange that I > >>>>>>> > >>> > > would have estrogen dominance. The first time I was > > tested I > >>> > > was low in > >>>>>>> > >>> > > estrogen the next time I was low in progesterone so thats > > why we > >>> > > went with > >>>>>>> > >>> > > the progesterone. I dont know I think I will stop the > >>> > > progesterone, I sure > >>>>>>> > >>> > > dont want to fall back into that brain foginess that took > > me so > >>> > > long to get > >>>>>>> > >>> > > rid of. > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Thanks for your help, > >>>>>>> > >>> > > Stacie > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >From: " glory2glory1401 " <glory2glory1401@y...> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Reply- > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Subject: Re: progesterone > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 21:42:44 -0000 > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Hmmm, this is one of those things where you might need > > to go > >>> > > really > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >slowly and see if this is going to work for you in the > > long > >>> > > term or > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >not. Are you both under the care of doctors who are > >>> > > monitoring your > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >hormone levels? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Progesterone is needed to offset estrogen dominance, > > and it > >>> > > could > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >just be that your hormones are re- balancing. I used > >>> > > progesterone > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >cream for a period of time....very short initially as > > I got > >>> > > break > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >through bleeding (got my period halfway through my > > cycle). I > >>> > > didn't > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >know what to think either, but Dr. Kolb told me to > > back off of > >>> > > it. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >I did, but when I was diagnosed with the Hashimoto's, > > I gave it > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >another go and I did better with it then. I used it > > for > >>> > > probably > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >six months or so. I could tell it definitely had an > > effect on > >>> > > my > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >cycle, and it did not make my symptoms worse at that > > point. > >>> > > It may > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >have helped, but it wasn't one of those things that I > > could > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >say, " Eureka! This is it! " I just felt better knowing > > that it > >>> > > was > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >supporting my thyroid and balancing the estrogen, > > which is > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >detrimental when it is dominant. I have used both the > >>> > > sublingual and > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >the cream. The sublinguals tasted gross. I still > > have them. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >If you know it is the progesterone making your > > symptoms worse, > >>> > > ask > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >your doctor. You may need to quit taking it. > > However, it > >>> > > also may > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >be a situation where you need to let your body > > acclimate to > >>> > > the idea > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >of taking it and get balanced out, so that in time, > > you are > >>> > > feeling > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >much better. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Hormones generally are hard to balance, and this > > includes the > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >thyroid. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >When I started taking thyroid meds, at first I didn't > > feel all > >>> > > that > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >hot with them. I felt kinda crappy. But I definitely > > needed > >>> > > them. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >It took about 6 weeks for my body to get used to a > > daily dose > >>> > > of > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >armour, and after that, things really leveled out. Of > > course, > >>> > > now I > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >rarely take them at all. My body seems to have > > adjusted well > >>> > > and > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >rebalanced itself or something.... > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Hope this helps to make some sense of it all... > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >I know it is difficult ladies... > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Love, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Patty > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Okay Ladies, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >I had blood work done that showed I was low > > in > >>> > > progesterone, so I > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >just > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >started taking the natural cream and it is > > putting me > >>> > > back into > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >the brain > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >fog I had when I first got my implants. > > Does anyone > >>> > > know why > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >this would > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >happen. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Thanks so much, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Stacie > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>From: Rogene S <saxony01@y...> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Reply- > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > > < >, > >>> > > SiliconeKids > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >><siliconekids > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Subject: Rally in DC > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:03:07 -0700 > > (PDT) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >>Note: forwarded message attached. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >><< message5.txt >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > > >> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take > the > > place of > >>> > > advice > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >given by licensed health care professionals. Consult > > your > >>> > > physician > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >or licensed health care professional before commencing > > any > >>> > > medical > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >treatment. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities > > or the > >>> > > politicians > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make > > your own > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to > > work for a > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize > > Winner > >>> > > (1954, > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Chemistry; 1963, Peace) > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >For Healing Therapies and Detox info, and > to > > view > >>> > > Testimonies of > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> > >> >Victims, and Studies of harm by implants, go to: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > >> > /files/ > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > >To view links to related websites on breast > > implants, go > >>> > > to: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > >> > /links > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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