Re: Thyroid meds + attachment

[Guest guest]

GOD!!! Who in their right mind would want to be an

endocrinologist???? Maybe that's why they are so

crabby!!! I am about to escape to a desert isle, dry

my hormones up in the sun, and blow happily away into

azure skies!!! :)Carolyn

--- Valarie wrote:

> As I recall, Levoxyl had to be " re-formulated "

> because it was dissolving

> before one could swallow water. I tried it for a

> month one time. Got it

> from a compounding pharmacist who also gave me

> tri-est and micronized P

> (both horrible nightmares). What I got was

> obviously of the " old batch " and

> disappeared like fizzy candy of old.

>

> I'm attaching a chart I made a long time ago when I

> was still trying to get

> some T3 into myself. It shows various combinations

> of T4 and Armour to

> achieve a T4 equivalent. To get around 100 mcg T4

> (my then-desired level).

> I went as low as 1/8 grain + enough T4 to get about

> 100 mcg. Even that

> didn't work for me. One could make a chart like

> this using Cytomel.

> Cytomel is approximately four times stronger than

> T4. That is, 5 mcg

> Cytomel ~= to 20 mcg T4. I also have an (Excel)

> interactive chart where you

> can type in various levels to get to where you want

> to be in terms of a

> ratio of T3/T4. Lemme' know if anyone wants that.

>

> In terms of " to eat or not to eat, " my usual routine

> is to take my T4 when I

> get up and then get a cup of coffee with cream. I

> have always done that

> and, through experimentation, have found a level of

> T4 adequate for me.

> Perhaps if I took the T4 and then waited an hour

> before coffee, I would need

> a bit less T4. I just have never seen the need to

> unduly stress myself. I

> think consistency is the key. Right now, I take 100

> mcg for 3 days a week

> and 88 mcg for 4 days. That gives me a 1.1 TSH, a

> good FT4 and always, rock

> bottom FT3. I have an RX for Unithroid. I may try

> that and see what it

> does. Ya' know, it takes up to three months to

> really make a decision about

> a thyroid med? I think different brands of T4 give

> different results. That

> is why we are told to stick with one brand.

>

> Val

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

> carolyn egan

>

>

> Wow....wellll??? Val, you must be cool as a

> cucumber!!

> At least you know your cortisol is cool!

>

> Thanks for info on Armour and Synthroid...I DO now

> recall the recalls on the Synthroid a while

> back....I

> wonder if that is why my endo chose to put me on

> Levoxyl. Who knows, I think I will ask her next

> time

> 'round.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I have always found it difficult to balane the E and thyroid. When I take more E my digestion slows down. When I take more T3 I don't feel the E. I think I may cut my T3 in half and take it morning and afternoon. Karin

Karin, I'm a total newbie with the thyroid stuff, BUT (this is a wild thought to talk over with your Dr.)....what if you don't have enough T4 to convert to T3....your T3 still looks a little low, and your TSH is kind getting close to hyper. I know E helps with mineral absorption, and selinium is SO important for the conversion as well.....so what if you had more T4 and did your T3 am and mid-day???

I was taking T3 alone, and seemed to get hyper fast....but I was up to 20mcg...10 BID. I am on no thyroid stuff right now, my Dr. added OOTest 0.1mgs. to see if that would help balance me. I still feel low thyroid, but my energy is way improved, still have some belly, but not bad, so bet I'll end up with T4 at least. I did the NT and seemed to get to much T3 from it.....I do take extra minerals, juice greens ect....I know this is tricky to figure out.......just a stab in the dark.....in keeping with Carolyns posts today, LOL . Will test to see how this works in a few weeks, but think I'll be in the old thyroid club soon, LOL )

[Guest guest]

When I take more E my digestion slows down.

Karin, another wild note, I have taken E in lots of doses and the higher, or excess E symptom for me is fast bowels, LOL.....P seems to slow me down........I'm off it P, and Dr. had me trade it for Test. in a mini dose, the pharmacy called and wanted to know if it was right, LOL, 0.1mgs. LOL. Starting dose in Vliets SWG to T:))

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

Just thought I would add to the thyroid med discussion. I currently take

unithroid .75 (this

was the first T4 med that was FDA approved since Synthroid and the others were

grandfathered before the FDA was in existance they eventually did get approval

pretty

recently). I had gotten a bad batch of Levothroid a long time ago and did some

investigating into the thyroid meds and eventually they all needed to get FDA

approval or

they would be pulled off the market. I currently take cytomel 5mcg (morning

only) along

with the unithroid. My recent blood tests were TSH .35 Free T4 1.4 Free T3

276 . I have

always been afraid to take the Armour (due to the animal origin and I could be

totally

crazy). I have always found it difficult to balane the E and thyroid. When I

take more E my

digestion slows down. When I take more T3 I don't feel the E. I think I may cut

my T3 in

half and take it morning and afternoon.

Karin

>

> As I recall, Levoxyl had to be " re-formulated " because it was dissolving

> before one could swallow water. I tried it for a month one time. Got it

> from a compounding pharmacist who also gave me tri-est and micronized P

> (both horrible nightmares). What I got was obviously of the " old batch " and

> disappeared like fizzy candy of old.

>

> I'm attaching a chart I made a long time ago when I was still trying to get

> some T3 into myself. It shows various combinations of T4 and Armour to

> achieve a T4 equivalent. To get around 100 mcg T4 (my then-desired level).

> I went as low as 1/8 grain + enough T4 to get about 100 mcg. Even that

> didn't work for me. One could make a chart like this using Cytomel.

> Cytomel is approximately four times stronger than T4. That is, 5 mcg

> Cytomel ~= to 20 mcg T4. I also have an (Excel) interactive chart where you

> can type in various levels to get to where you want to be in terms of a

> ratio of T3/T4. Lemme' know if anyone wants that.

>

> In terms of " to eat or not to eat, " my usual routine is to take my T4 when I

> get up and then get a cup of coffee with cream. I have always done that

> and, through experimentation, have found a level of T4 adequate for me.

> Perhaps if I took the T4 and then waited an hour before coffee, I would need

> a bit less T4. I just have never seen the need to unduly stress myself. I

> think consistency is the key. Right now, I take 100 mcg for 3 days a week

> and 88 mcg for 4 days. That gives me a 1.1 TSH, a good FT4 and always, rock

> bottom FT3. I have an RX for Unithroid. I may try that and see what it

> does. Ya' know, it takes up to three months to really make a decision about

> a thyroid med? I think different brands of T4 give different results. That

> is why we are told to stick with one brand.

>

> Val

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of carolyn egan

>

>

> Wow....wellll??? Val, you must be cool as a cucumber!!

> At least you know your cortisol is cool!

>

> Thanks for info on Armour and Synthroid...I DO now

> recall the recalls on the Synthroid a while back....I

> wonder if that is why my endo chose to put me on

> Levoxyl. Who knows, I think I will ask her next time

> 'round.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am not on any P (for a couple of months) and I can't take T (I have PCOS my T

was 31

free 2.3). My E on the last blood was 236 E2 and 453 E3. (was on time released

oral E .75

x 2). I am currently on .1mg Vivelle taking some extra estrogel and keeping away

from the

oral E as much as possible. I was very interested in the oral E2 from Belmar

that acts very

similar to transdermal but the dosage would be more steady. (I might ask my Dr

to hook

me up) Will probably call Belmar first.

Karin

>

>

> In a message dated 10/31/2005 5:27:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> bigbird3099@y... writes:

>

> When I take more E my

> digestion slows down.

>

>

> Karin, another wild note, I have taken E in lots of doses and the higher,

> or excess E symptom for me is fast bowels, LOL.....P seems to slow me

> down........I'm off it P, and Dr. had me trade it for Test. in a mini dose,

the

> pharmacy called and wanted to know if it was right, LOL, 0.1mgs. LOL. Starting

> dose in Vliets SWG to T:))

>