RE: Re: DHEA, hormone conversion

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I cannot tolerate Armour or T3 and cannot even tolerate tyrosine. When I do anything to increase my rock-bottom T3, my potassium falls, I start swelling and BP goes up. Having low T3 is not good in terms of "heart events." Low T3 states can make a heart attack worse and lessen survival. Arem's stuff about not giving T3 to old ladies is waaaaayy off, assuming the old lady's heart is okay.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of carolyn eganBefore I forget, , I read in one of my sourcebooks that tyrosine is not as well coverted todopamine without an adequate amount of estradiol inplace. Mo'later...and hope we get a lot of posts onthe adrenal issue!!Perimenopausal levels can vary greatly, and many of uswould have been shocked to discover how low our ownhormones were at an age when we would also havethought to the contrary!!!! Carolyn

[Guest guest]

--- Valarie wrote:> I cannot tolerate Armour or T3 and cannot even> tolerate tyrosine. When I do> anything to increase my rock-bottom T3, my potassium> falls, I start swelling> and BP goes up.

What about taking in extra potassium???? http://ithyroid.com/ this site is full of great info:))

ck out hypothyroid, and suppliments....lots to wrap our brains around,

[Guest guest]

Ditto on Arem MD and " old " over 55-somethings!!

What IS it about medical training and medical

personality types that makes them SO SO SO SO SO

up-the-nose patriarchal and anti-female (since most

thyroid stuff they deal with IS per females!!) And, ya

know, this even holds true for the women docs...the

young female I'm working with is just as bad per women

and per " seasoned " agers!!

Something about the doc-mindset. But, I digress.

Val,that's gotta be so frustrating to get all those

negative reactions to T3. (Tyrosine, as well??? Go

figure??) I know why that would happen with the

Armour, as it is too high in T3 ratio.

But...can't remember...did you say if you ever worked

with an endo per titrating the T3, along with the T4,

and starting at the miniscule dose of .250 mcg T3??

Wow...that sounds like one tough nut to crack, and

sounds worthy of one of those " Alice chasing down the

rabbit holes " kinda of a search for the right doctor

and the right regimen! Dear God!!!

;( Carolyn

--- Valarie wrote:

> I cannot tolerate Armour or T3 and cannot even

> tolerate tyrosine. When I do

> anything to increase my rock-bottom T3, my potassium

> falls, I start swelling

> and BP goes up. Having low T3 is not good in terms

> of " heart events. " Low

> T3 states can make a heart attack worse and lessen

> survival. Arem's stuff

> about not giving T3 to old ladies is waaaaayy off,

> assuming the old lady's

> heart is okay.

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

> carolyn egan

>

>

> Before I forget, , I read in one of my source

> books that tyrosine is not as well coverted to

> dopamine without an adequate amount of estradiol

> in

> place. Mo'later...and hope we get a lot of posts

> on

> the adrenal issue!!

>

> Perimenopausal levels can vary greatly, and many

> of us

> would have been shocked to discover how low our

> own

> hormones were at an age when we would also have

> thought to the contrary!!!! Carolyn

>

>

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Tyrosine as well. Tyrosine helps the conversion from T4 to T3. I just had $5,000 (my cost before insurance kicked in) worth of tests at the medical center. The endo hasn't a clue. She was sure I had Cushings and when the labs indicated otherwise, she lost interest. My FT3 runs about 2.7 (2.3 - 4.2).

I have tried taking just 1/8 grain of Armour with my T4 with the same bad result.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of carolyn eganVal,that's gotta be so frustrating to get all thosenegative reactions to T3. (Tyrosine, as well??? Gofigure??) I know why that would happen with theArmour, as it is too high in T3 ratio.But...can't remember...did you say if you ever workedwith an endo per titrating the T3, along with the T4,and starting at the miniscule dose of .250 mcg T3??Wow...that sounds like one tough nut to crack, andsounds worthy of one of those "Alice chasing down therabbit holes" kinda of a search for the right doctorand the right regimen! Dear God!!!;( Carolyn

[Guest guest]

I take potassium. EmergenC helps and I try to eat a lot of fruit. For a while I was taking RX potassium and nearly came out of my skin. It took 2.5 months for me to stop quivering after I stopped it.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Nuimom@...

What about taking in extra potassium???? http://ithyroid.com/ this site is full of great info:))

ck out hypothyroid, and suppliments....lots to wrap our brains around,

[Guest guest]

Val...doncha just love it when they lose interest

because

1) your case proved not to be a good clinical case to

pin their reputation on.

2) your case then just got too hard, too time

consuming, with too little financial return on their

time.

3)your case got its money and would have no further

power to be covered by insurance.

I know I may have asked this before, but, since the

Armour is known to contain byproducts to which you may

be allergic, and the Cytomel is " hypoallergenic "

in purity....what did the endo do with you per Rx??

And the tyrosine reaction is really a strange thing!

What is the F stand for in the T3 numbers??

Carolyn

Been there Done that. Makes you feel like the

disposable gloves they take off and throw into waste

after they are done with you.

--- Valarie wrote:

> Tyrosine as well. Tyrosine helps the conversion

> from T4 to T3. I just had

> $5,000 (my cost before insurance kicked in) worth of

> tests at the medical

> center. The endo hasn't a clue. She was sure I had

> Cushings and when the

> labs indicated otherwise, she lost interest. My FT3

> runs about 2.7 (2.3 -

> 4.2).

>

> I have tried taking just 1/8 grain of Armour with my

> T4 with the same bad

> result.

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

> carolyn egan

>

>

> Val,that's gotta be so frustrating to get all

> those

> negative reactions to T3. (Tyrosine, as well??? Go

> figure??) I know why that would happen with the

> Armour, as it is too high in T3 ratio.

> But...can't remember...did you say if you ever

> worked

> with an endo per titrating the T3, along with the

> T4,

> and starting at the miniscule dose of .250 mcg

> T3??

>

> Wow...that sounds like one tough nut to crack, and

> sounds worthy of one of those " Alice chasing down

> the

> rabbit holes " kinda of a search for the right

> doctor

> and the right regimen! Dear God!!!

> ;( Carolyn

>

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I have some Cytomel but I'm afraid to take it. Endo take me RX for Unithroid and told me to try it. I've been taking Eltroxin from the UK. Before that, Eutirox from Mexico. Can't really tell a difference.

F in FT3 stands for "free."

Yeah, old rubber gloves. That's me.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of carolyn eganSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 2:17 PMTo: rhythmicliving Subject: RE: Re: DHEA, hormone conversionVal...doncha just love it when they lose interestbecause 1) your case proved not to be a good clinical case topin their reputation on.2) your case then just got too hard, too timeconsuming, with too little financial return on theirtime.3)your case got its money and would have no furtherpower to be covered by insurance.I know I may have asked this before, but, since theArmour is known to contain byproducts to which you maybe allergic, and the Cytomel is "hypoallergenic"in purity....what did the endo do with you per Rx??And the tyrosine reaction is really a strange thing!What is the F stand for in the T3 numbers??CarolynBeen there Done that. Makes you feel like thedisposable gloves they take off and throw into wasteafter they are done with you.--- Valarie wrote:> Tyrosine as well. Tyrosine helps the conversion> from T4 to T3. I just had> $5,000 (my cost before insurance kicked in) worth of> tests at the medical> center. The endo hasn't a clue. She was sure I had> Cushings and when the> labs indicated otherwise, she lost interest. My FT3> runs about 2.7 (2.3 -> 4.2).> > I have tried taking just 1/8 grain of Armour with my> T4 with the same bad> result.> > Val> > -----Original Message-----> From: rhythmicliving > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of> carolyn egan> > > Val,that's gotta be so frustrating to get all> those> negative reactions to T3. (Tyrosine, as well??? Go> figure??) I know why that would happen with the> Armour, as it is too high in T3 ratio.> But...can't remember...did you say if you ever> worked> with an endo per titrating the T3, along with the> T4,> and starting at the miniscule dose of .250 mcg> T3??> > Wow...that sounds like one tough nut to crack, and> sounds worthy of one of those "Alice chasing down> the> rabbit holes" kinda of a search for the right> doctor> and the right regimen! Dear God!!!> ;( Carolyn> __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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What th' hell????

--- Valarie wrote:

> I take potassium. EmergenC helps and I try to eat a

> lot of fruit. For a

> while I was taking RX potassium and nearly came out

> of my skin. It took 2.5

> months for me to stop quivering after I stopped it.

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

> Nuimom@...

>

> What about taking in extra potassium????

> http://ithyroid.com/ this

> site is full of great info:))

> ck out hypothyroid, and suppliments....lots to

> wrap our brains around,

>

>

>

>

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Endo take me RX (Endo also gave me RX). heh

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Valarie

I have some Cytomel but I'm afraid to take it. Endo take me RX for Unithroid and told me to try it. I've been taking Eltroxin from the UK. Before that, Eutirox from Mexico. Can't really tell a difference.

F in FT3 stands for "free."

Yeah, old rubber gloves. That's me.