Re: lastest E labs, back to OOE, may try peanut or cocon...

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Hi guys...I am trying to figure out the email " quote "

system, where it says that " satoristar...writes...

I am using 2mg E...with 5mg Estriol.... "

Ummm??? That's not me!! That's Sammie. Not sure how

that email-excerpt-quote works, 'cept to say, that's

not an excerpt from my email.

ANYway...I too am struggling with the possible issue

of the gel going in too fast. And, I am quoting here

from Vliets new T book (although she is here referring

to testosterone gel, not estrogen gel, but would seem

to apply...) " Sublingual troches and alcohol based

gels are often touted as 'best " , but this isn't always

the case. For some women, gels and troches are

absorbed so fast and cause such a rapid rise in blood

levels of testosterone that they feel anxious,

agitated, aggressive, and irritable..... "

(eh, sounds MALE to me...but I digress!!)

" I have seen many women, and even some men, who had

similar reactions to BOTH testosterone OR ESTRADIOL

GELS. You need to be aware that speed of absorption

can be good, or can be quite bad, depending on how

your particular body responds....Generally I prefer

the slower absorption and delivery forms like patches

and creams (for testosterone) THAT ARE DESIGNED TO BE

MORE SLOWLY ABSORBED. " Vliet,Unquote.

For the most part, Vliet still seems to prefer the

patches for estradiol delivery. Gels and sublingual

troches HAVE been shown, in clinical trials, to be

extremely well absorbed, but faster, and will then

wear off in about 4-6 hours - unless you are running a

marathon or testifying in court - in which case you

will burn through ANY delivery system of estradiol

like fire through a field of brush on a dry and windy

day!!!!

So, I am anxiously awaiting a phonecall from my

pharmacist who has called the Solvay people, directly,

for me with this question.

Seems like plopping a COUPLE of Vivelle Dot patches on

our bods is still one of the most reliable ways....

As the Ovaries Turn.....Carolyn

--- Nuimom@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 10/19/2005 9:22:43 AM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> satoristar3@... writes:

>

> > I am using 2mg E combined with 5mg of Estriol

> in

> > MG/GM cream (whatever that

>

>

>

> SO, Sammie, you got their reg. safflower

> cream........2mgs. E2 per scoop,

> right?( the E3 is just ther, we won't worry about

> it, LOLLOL)

>

> I would think that 2mgs. BID would not be enough

> either, I just had another

> lab done on the OOE with 2mgs. BUT it was after 6+

> hours, they were running

> behind, LOLLOL

> anyway we'll see......I was due for my OOE by then,

> and had only just got

> back on it the day before. My blood levels will be

> interesting, usually takes

> 3-5 days for me to get up my blood levels, BUT who

> knows. Today is day 4 back

> on OOE, the juicy mama is back ))))) hang in there

> girl, we don't all have

> to do estogel, LOLLOL . )

>

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Okay let me know about the Estrogel and tummy thing. In the

meantime, I applied 3mg of E cream this morning and that seems to

have done the trick. I haven't had a flash yet all day.

> > >

> > > > I was told you can use a lotion over the top of

> >

> > > > your E

> > > > > is you want it to go in faster, one that has

> > > > ingredients you're NOT

> > > > allergic

> > > > > to )

> > > > > GOOD luck. XOXOX )

> > > >

> > > > ---------------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > > - do you mean use a lotion over the top of

> > E

> > > > to KEEP it in, not

> > > > go in faster! It goes in fast enough ! It just

> > > > doesn't STAY in. I was

> > > > getting hot flashes like crazy on that too.

> > Maybe I

> > > > just needed to

> > > > apply more.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

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I know -- I'll apply another 1 mg tonight at bedtime. However,

right now I'm getting a little flash.

>

>

> In a message dated 10/19/2005 11:45:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> merryr@u... writes:

>

> I applied 3mg of E cream this morning and that seems to

> have done the trick. I haven't had a flash yet all day.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , you may need to do your E, 3 or even 4 times a day to stay

even )

>

>

[Guest guest]

DITTO!! See post today per same info per Vliet.

Carolyn

--- Nuimom@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 10/19/2005 11:45:42 AM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> merryr@... writes:

>

> I applied 3mg of E cream this morning and that

> seems to

> have done the trick. I haven't had a flash yet all

> day.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> , you may need to do your E, 3 or even 4 times a

> day to stay even )

>

>

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To repeat: " GO PUT ON SOME ESTRADIOL FOR PETES SAKE "

--- Nuimom@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 10/19/2005 1:03:33 PM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> merryr@... writes:

>

>

> I know -- I'll apply another 1 mg tonight at

> bedtime. However,

> right now I'm getting a little flash.

>

>

>

>

> MARY, if you're flashing your E is REALLY low, I

> didn't even get flashes

> with the screwy 35............please take care )

> if you felt good this AM

> with 3mgs.......that maybe a 3xa day deal for you to

> consider.....really...why

> are women afraid of E if the are whipping through

> it?

> It is down the toilet by now, LOLLOL...........my

> new Dr. told me to stay on

> top of it, like you would pain meds.......not good

> for us to be up and down,

> you're reliving per-menopause, (

> If you were here, she'd tell ya ......go put on some

> E for *(*'s sake.,

> LOLLOLLOL

>

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My E level was 54 and that was right after I applied the stuff. So perhaps my REAL E level was much lower!! Why is this happening?? And I'm afraid to put on too much E because my breasts get big and sore!

............., did you ever have a good time???

what were you doing then??? Maybe you have new issues to deal with too.

Thyroid changes, ect......I use alot of E and my breasts hurt when I'm in limbo.

Seems you have to find the right balance of stuff??? But you KNOW your E is low.

Maybe you could wear patches?? Give it a go:)))

[Guest guest]

The other reason I don't want to apply too much E cream is that I don't want to get to be 400 pounds!! It feels like every meal I eat puts on 10 pounds!!

, again you are talking low E .....my belly is already going away,

more E less of me, LOL.

you may just need a couple of patches on ya, and you'll be good to go:)))

[Guest guest]

My E level was 54 and that was right after I applied the stuff. So

perhaps my REAL E level was much lower!! Why is this happening?? And

I'm afraid to put on too much E because my breasts get big and sore!

>

>

> In a message dated 10/19/2005 1:03:33 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> merryr@u... writes:

>

>

> I know -- I'll apply another 1 mg tonight at bedtime. However,

> right now I'm getting a little flash.

>

>

>

>

> MARY, if you're flashing your E is REALLY low, I didn't even get

flashes

> with the screwy 35............please take care ) if you felt

good this AM

> with 3mgs.......that maybe a 3xa day deal for you to

consider.....really...why

> are women afraid of E if the are whipping through it?

> It is down the toilet by now, LOLLOL...........my new Dr. told me

to stay on

> top of it, like you would pain meds.......not good for us to be up

and down,

> you're reliving per-menopause, (

> If you were here, she'd tell ya ......go put on some E for *(*'s

sake.,

> LOLLOLLOL

>

[Guest guest]

The other reason I don't want to apply too much E cream is that I

don't want to get to be 400 pounds!! It feels like every meal I eat

puts on 10 pounds!!

>

> >

> > In a message dated 10/19/2005 1:03:33 PM Pacific

> > Standard Time,

> > merryr@u... writes:

> >

> >

> > I know -- I'll apply another 1 mg tonight at

> > bedtime. However,

> > right now I'm getting a little flash.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > MARY, if you're flashing your E is REALLY low, I

> > didn't even get flashes

> > with the screwy 35............please take care )

> > if you felt good this AM

> > with 3mgs.......that maybe a 3xa day deal for you to

> > consider.....really...why

> > are women afraid of E if the are whipping through

> > it?

> > It is down the toilet by now, LOLLOL...........my

> > new Dr. told me to stay on

> > top of it, like you would pain meds.......not good

> > for us to be up and down,

> > you're reliving per-menopause, (

> > If you were here, she'd tell ya ......go put on some

> > E for *(*'s sake.,

> > LOLLOLLOL

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Well the only time I didn't have hot flashes was when i was doing

Wiley, but then I had a host of OTHER problems - the pain, etc. So

no I guess I have to say that for a whole year now, I haven't found

the right balance! But I DO have energy now thanks to taking DHEA

and Co-Q10!

>

>

> In a message dated 10/20/2005 9:23:22 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> merryr@u... writes:

>

> My E level was 54 and that was right after I applied the stuff.

So

> perhaps my REAL E level was much lower!! Why is this happening??

And

> I'm afraid to put on too much E because my breasts get big and

sore!

>

>

>

>

> ............, did you ever have a good time???

> what were you doing then??? Maybe you have new issues to deal

with too.

> Thyroid changes, ect......I use alot of E and my breasts hurt when

I'm in

> limbo.

> Seems you have to find the right balance of stuff??? But you KNOW

your E is

> low.

> Maybe you could wear patches?? Give it a go:)))

>

[Guest guest]

Really. I never thought of it that way. I just assumed the E packs

the pounds on!

>

>

> In a message dated 10/20/2005 9:52:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> merryr@u... writes:

>

> The other reason I don't want to apply too much E cream is that I

> don't want to get to be 400 pounds!! It feels like every meal I

eat

> puts on 10 pounds!!

>

>

>

>

> , again you are talking low E .....my belly is already going

away,

> more E less of me, LOL.

> you may just need a couple of patches on ya, and you'll be good to

go:)))

>

>

[Guest guest]

...the weight gain is NOT from estrodial, but from

an inbalanced ratio of E with the other hormones. IF

you are interested in reading about that, I will post

you the pages in the appropriate publications.!!

:)Carolyn

--- wrote:

> The other reason I don't want to apply too much E

> cream is that I

> don't want to get to be 400 pounds!! It feels like

> every meal I eat

> puts on 10 pounds!!

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 10/19/2005 1:03:33 PM Pacific

> > > Standard Time,

> > > merryr@u... writes:

> > >

> > >

> > > I know -- I'll apply another 1 mg tonight at

> > > bedtime. However,

> > > right now I'm getting a little flash.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > MARY, if you're flashing your E is REALLY low,

> I

> > > didn't even get flashes

> > > with the screwy 35............please take care

> )

> > > if you felt good this AM

> > > with 3mgs.......that maybe a 3xa day deal for

> you to

> > > consider.....really...why

> > > are women afraid of E if the are whipping

> through

> > > it?

> > > It is down the toilet by now,

> LOLLOL...........my

> > > new Dr. told me to stay on

> > > top of it, like you would pain meds.......not

> good

> > > for us to be up and down,

> > > you're reliving per-menopause, (

> > > If you were here, she'd tell ya ......go put on

> some

> > > E for *(*'s sake.,

> > > LOLLOLLOL

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> page!

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>

>

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...Vliet's books are full of the info on estradiol

not causing weight gain. How many young pubescent

girls do you see waddling around like postmenopausal

women??? (unless the young woman has hormonal

inbalance problems or hereditary problems of

metabolism....)

--- wrote:

> Really. I never thought of it that way. I just

> assumed the E packs

> the pounds on!

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 10/20/2005 9:52:46 AM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> > merryr@u... writes:

> >

> > The other reason I don't want to apply too much E

> cream is that I

> > don't want to get to be 400 pounds!! It feels

> like every meal I

> eat

> > puts on 10 pounds!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , again you are talking low E .....my belly is

> already going

> away,

> > more E less of me, LOL.

> > you may just need a couple of patches on ya, and

> you'll be good to

> go:)))

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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okay if you don't mind.

Thank Carolyn.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 10/19/2005 1:03:33 PM Pacific

> > > > Standard Time,

> > > > merryr@u... writes:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > I know -- I'll apply another 1 mg tonight at

> > > > bedtime. However,

> > > > right now I'm getting a little flash.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > MARY, if you're flashing your E is REALLY low,

> > I

> > > > didn't even get flashes

> > > > with the screwy 35............please take care

> > )

> > > > if you felt good this AM

> > > > with 3mgs.......that maybe a 3xa day deal for

> > you to

> > > > consider.....really...why

> > > > are women afraid of E if the are whipping

> > through

> > > > it?

> > > > It is down the toilet by now,

> > LOLLOL...........my

> > > > new Dr. told me to stay on

> > > > top of it, like you would pain meds.......not

> > good

> > > > for us to be up and down,

> > > > you're reliving per-menopause, (

> > > > If you were here, she'd tell ya ......go put on

> > some

> > > > E for *(*'s sake.,

> > > > LOLLOLLOL

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________

> > > Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home

> > page!

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> >

> >

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This is good to know! If I ever get around to reading that damned

book! It's been sitting on my shelf!

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 10/20/2005 9:52:46 AM Pacific

> > Standard Time,

> > > merryr@u... writes:

> > >

> > > The other reason I don't want to apply too much E

> > cream is that I

> > > don't want to get to be 400 pounds!! It feels

> > like every meal I

> > eat

> > > puts on 10 pounds!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , again you are talking low E .....my belly is

> > already going

> > away,

> > > more E less of me, LOL.

> > > you may just need a couple of patches on ya, and

> > you'll be good to

> > go:)))

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Really. I never thought of it that way. I just assumed the E packs

the pounds on!

I always thought that too, but I've lost a lot of weight, and apple shape

with less P and more E.

nne

....

[Guest guest]

nne,

how much E of what kind are you taking, - and are you taking any Progesterone ?

I'm taking homeopathic HGH (early morning and bedtime)and l need very little Eoo, and 50 mg Pregnenolone to (make) keep Progesterone balance. I feel very good with that.Cheereo,

Charlotte

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RE: Re: lastest E labs, back to OOE, may try peanut or cocon...

Well if I'm getting hot flashes, that is a SURE way to tell that I need to up my E isn't it? Hi ,Well it is pretty reliable sign for me. I have heard it can be an imbalanceof any hormones. However, since trying one thing only at a time, I have had T and GH, andArmour thyoid give me a hot flash. So in retrospect, because they are all Eantagonists, I was getting a hot flash, due to not enough E first. Soexperimenting more, If I applied a bit more gel, it would stop it in It'stracks. I have figured this out due to the gel going in and out fast. Now I need tofind a more stable E. BTW, I am doing 4 times the amount of E as I wasbefore. I was scared of E too, and always thought it made you fat. Viletsays it reduces appetite. I agree with Vilet now. I just never had enough Eto see how great it was. Now I am hooked! It truly changed my shape into adelicate pear, from a beefy apple. I don't even recognize myself...truly. nne

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nne,

how much E of what kind are you taking, - and are you taking

any Progesterone ?

I'm taking homeopathic HGH (early morning and bedtime)and l

need very little Eoo, and 50 mg Pregnenolone to (make)

keep Progesterone balance. I feel very good with that.Cheereo,Charlotte

Charlotte,

What about DHEA?

Are you taking that too? I keep wondering why we can’t take the

precursors, and let the body figure out where it goes.

As far as the E,

I am experimenting. I think I need a patch or oral for more sustained release. The

gel goes in and out too fast for me. I am using 4 -5 pumps per day of that

right now, and could use more I think. Yesterday I took 4 pumps along with 5

bi-est 1.25 caps, and felt great.

..

The P I am

using is minimal but I need some for my adrenals and thyroid support. . I have 50-100mg

P cream for daytime, and 50mg caps that I use at night for better sleep. I don’t

really know If I need it or not. I used to take 200mg sublinguals for 2 weeks a

month. I finally realized due to this group, they were the reason of the breast

tenderness rather than from too much E. So I switched to these milder things,

and have had no breast tenderness at all for 2 months. I also lost a lot of

breast size, and 15 pounds, and the change from apple to pear. And one day last

month I tried one of those sublingual P, and it packed a wallop, so I knew the

new things were giving me far less P than what I have always used. I also had

earlier cycles, and very light short periods. Almost nothing after the first

showing. The months before on more P, I had no period at all many times,

so I am not sure about all of that, just observations.

nne

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Yes!!

--- wrote:

> Well if I'm getting hot flashes, that is a SURE way

> to tell that I

> need to up my E isn't it?

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Really. I never thought of it that way. I just

> assumed the E

> packs

> > the pounds on!

> >

> >

> > I always thought that too, but I've lost a lot of

> weight, and

> apple shape

> > with less P and more E.

> > nne

> > ...

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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I had a feeling this might happen. Do doctors know that they have

to tell us to compensate for this stuff?

>

> In a message dated 10/20/2005 2:31:20 PM Mountain Standard Time,

> merryr@u... writes:

> And I take this other stuff I-3C to stave off

> the bad effects of E. So who knows, maybe that's

> IC3 blocks estradiol as well as shifts estrone into a lesser

metabolite. It

> acts like a mild Tamoxifen. I found out when I tried it that I

just couldnt

> regulate my E.

> Sammie

>

[Guest guest]

Yes this is what drives me insane. I'm SURE all of these things are

interfering with my E but I don't get told to take a higher amount

of E either. I wish these doctors would get it right! So what did

you do about the things that interfered with your E? Did you up your

E or stop taking those " interferences " ?

>

>

> Yes, I take T too! And I take this other stuff I-3C to stave off

> the bad effects of E. So who knows, maybe that's why I'm getting

> the flashes!

>

>

>

> ,

> Reading one of those inserts on a script one day, changed the way

I thought

> of everything. I realized everything I took was interfering with

something

> else that I took, including food and supplements, and OTC drugs.

>

> I was shaking all the time. I started thinking I was dying. I

think now I

> was having panic attacks. It was looking like nothing could be

worked out

> at all, or no human being could do it.

> I started separating everything to see what it would do. I use my

pendulum

> to see if I should take something. I found that everything turned

upside

> down. I used to take my thyroid first thing in the morning, now I

take it

> later, things like that. I have been keeping records, and have

learned what

> Low E feels like, what takes the E right out, what supports it.

>

> So when I was feeling terrible I stopped taking extra vitamins,

coffee, and

> the Claritin D, I have taken for years. I thought I could control

the

> jittery feeling with that. But it did not help, and seemed to get

worse.

> Then I find out that the Claritin D interferes with thyroid. Not

knowing at

> the time, I didn't decrease my thyroid, when stopping the

Claritin. So then

> I surmised the shaking was from too much thyroid. It might have

been, but

> when I reduced the thyroid, I got very tired in a hurry. I think

it was

> really my adrenals couldn't handle the T3. Then I stopped the

extra T3 I was

> taking for Fibro. Better. Now I find out the T3 takes the E right

out, which

> was causing the panic feelings. I have learned more in 3 months,

by

> figuring out the feeling to go with the hormone lack.

>

> Anyway, I learned those contra indications are VERY important. I

was taking

> about 5 big things that interfered with E. So now on a huge

amount (for me)

> of E I am feeling like my self again. It has been a LONG time that

I could

> say that, and the correct feeling for balanced hormones.

>

> nne

>

[Guest guest]

Yes - every time I add something new to the mix, it all goes to hell!

>

> The IC3 probably isnt helping you. Stop it for a few weeks and see

if it

> dosent help?

> Sammie

>

[Guest guest]

E makes you require more thyroid. That doesn't mean you shouldn't use E. It just means you need more thyroid if you use E (up to 25% more).

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Yes this is what drives me insane. I'm SURE all of these things are interfering with my E but I don't get told to take a higher amount of E either. I wish these doctors would get it right! So what did you do about the things that interfered with your E? Did you up your E or stop taking those "interferences"?