Re: My report on vaginal progesterone gel

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My face broke out a couple of days ago, from the continual sweating and oil coming out of my pores.

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You could try the Mirena IUD which only puts a tiny, tiny amount of P right into the uterine lining. I am very P sensitive, it blocks my E and gives me terrible urinary tract and vulvar symptoms and this method of delivering P is fine for me, anyway. You get the uterine protection, it will stop the periods, and your symptoms will be few or none? I just had a vaginal ultrasound after four months on Mirena and the uterine stripe was 3.

Sammie

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Wow that is a scary story! I would not use it again if I were you. I had somewhat of a similar experience when I put drops of OO/P in capsule and put it up in my vagina. It caused cramps and discomfort and hot sweats, not as bad as you did, but don't think I put more than 25mg/OO/P up there. I gave it up after a couple of nights.

Thanks for sharing your experience with the 4% Crinone vaginal gel. That convinces me that it would not work for me either! Sorry you had to be our guinea pig....take good care, Madeleen

Astrodiana wrote:

Well, I finally got my P gel in the mail Thursday and used it Thursday night, Friday night, and last night. NOT GOOD. Thursday night, about an hour after using the 4% vaginal gel, equal to 40 mgs before bed, I began to experience terrible cramps - like the worst cramps I ever had before a period. I was aware of them all night long. I figured "this means it is targeting my uterus, as it should". I got up to urinate 5 times during the night, large amounts. The diuretic action of P. I broke out into a heavy sweat early Friday morning in my sleep, woke up, and experienced 4 hours without sleep. All day Friday, I was covered in sweat and wrung out, like I had been during the month in 2003 that had I experienced the vengeance of meno symptoms without estrogen. I was weak in the knees, and had to take a long nap Friday afternoon, covered in sweat and with the air conditoning blasting cold air

all day. I slept very deeply and had a hard time waking up.Friday night, I used it again before bed at 10:00 PM and, once again, I experienced cramps, night sweats, and inability to sleep until about 3AM. Had cramps all day Saturday, combined with a feeling of weakness in my body and physical exhaustion...oh yes...once again, I was sweating thru my clothes all day long and my hair looked like I had just gotten out of the shower. I staggered around all day unable to think or do much of anything, weak in the knees. It was like a day-long hot flash. I have been on the 1.25 bi-est caspules twice a day for 3 months now, so I DID have some E in me, but this was just like back when I had no E at all.Call me obtuse if you like, I used it again last night before bed - just to make sure it was the vaginal P causing the problem. Again - no sleep until about 2 AM....I was covered in sweat, the air conditioning had the guys and the dogs under covers and frost

coming off their breath. I was so warm, that even my wet hair and drenched nightgown, which I changed twice and finally took off altogether, did not give me the chills in the cold room. Slept hard once I finally fell asleep - probably from sheer exhaustion...I always need at least 8 hours to feel well, and had been running on a deficit the last couple of days. I have had no appetite at all. A headache for 3 days, taking Advils, and have decided that the ONLY WAY I could continue using this stuff is if I use a lot of extra E, because right now, I feel like I have NONE in me. I do not want to use more E, as I am trying to stop cycling. The cramps have been a constant since Thursday night.So, I guess this ends my experiment. I am able to benefit from the P cream applied to my wrists and inner elbows. I am obviously too sensitive to P to use it this way, where it goes right into my bloodstream thru mucous membranes. I

MIGHT try this one more time during the week - when isn't here to share in my misery all night and when I have had a good night's sleep the day before. If I do, I will try only 1/2 as much, 20 mgs. But then again, I might not try it again. I think I have proven to myself that this stuff is just NOT FOR ME.I know I have told you girls before, that P has the opposite effect on me than it seems to on other women. It energizes me, and acts as a diuretic. For the first year I used P, I was unable to use it at bedtime, or I would be up peeing and energetic and wide awake all night. When my E began to decline, and I added E to my HRT, I could only use the E at night, because it made me sleepy. Finally after about a year of using both E at night (for a good sleep) and P during the day, I found I could use both night and day. It is possible that if I use this vaginal P during the day along with E, I might be good. Not

sure. If it gives me energy, at least I would have it during the day. But I think I would have to raise my E, to avoid sweating, warmth, and hot flashes, which I don't want to do. I guess this just goes to show you...even the "very best" out there (by some standards) is not the best for everyone. My face broke out a couple of days ago, from the continual sweating and oil coming out of my pores.

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Poor, dear Diane!

so sorry about your experience. I couldn't have gone through this like you did: three times! Why didn't you cut down on the amount right the second time?

Well I guess, that's easy to say afterwards, right?

I would advise anyone taking a new supplement or form of hormone to always start on low amounts to get the body used to the new form of substance.

Anyway, thanks so much for sharing your Estrogel-misery with us, - so we can "be on our toes" and not blindly follow directions ever, especially when super sensitive, like we all are now.

Love, hope you recover fast and well!

Charlotte

My report on vaginal progesterone gel

Well, I finally got my P gel in the mail Thursday and used it Thursday night, Friday night, and last night. NOT GOOD. Thursday night, about an hour after using the 4% vaginal gel, equal to 40 mgs before bed, I began to experience terrible cramps - like the worst cramps I ever had before a period. I was aware of them all night long. I figured "this means it is targeting my uterus, as it should". I got up to urinate 5 times during the night, large amounts. The diuretic action of P. I broke out into a heavy sweat early Friday morning in my sleep, woke up, and experienced 4 hours without sleep. All day Friday, I was covered in sweat and wrung out, like I had been during the month in 2003 that had I experienced the vengeance of meno symptoms without estrogen. I was weak in the knees, and had to take a long nap Friday afternoon, covered in sweat and with the air conditoning blasting cold air all day. I slept very deeply and had a hard time waking up.Friday night, I used it again before bed at 10:00 PM and, once again, I experienced cramps, night sweats, and inability to sleep until about 3AM. Had cramps all day Saturday, combined with a feeling of weakness in my body and physical exhaustion...oh yes...once again, I was sweating thru my clothes all day long and my hair looked like I had just gotten out of the shower. I staggered around all day unable to think or do much of anything, weak in the knees. It was like a day-long hot flash. I have been on the 1.25 bi-est caspules twice a day for 3 months now, so I DID have some E in me, but this was just like back when I had no E at all.Call me obtuse if you like, I used it again last night before bed - just to make sure it was the vaginal P causing the problem. Again - no sleep until about 2 AM....I was covered in sweat, the air conditioning had the guys and the dogs under covers and frost coming off their breath. I was so warm, that even my wet hair and drenched nightgown, which I changed twice and finally took off altogether, did not give me the chills in the cold room. Slept hard once I finally fell asleep - probably from sheer exhaustion...I always need at least 8 hours to feel well, and had been running on a deficit the last couple of days. I have had no appetite at all. A headache for 3 days, taking Advils, and have decided that the ONLY WAY I could continue using this stuff is if I use a lot of extra E, because right now, I feel like I have NONE in me. I do not want to use more E, as I am trying to stop cycling. The cramps have been a constant since Thursday night.So, I guess this ends my experiment. I am able to benefit from the P cream applied to my wrists and inner elbows. I am obviously too sensitive to P to use it this way, where it goes right into my bloodstream thru mucous membranes. I MIGHT try this one more time during the week - when isn't here to share in my misery all night and when I have had a good night's sleep the day before. If I do, I will try only 1/2 as much, 20 mgs. But then again, I might not try it again. I think I have proven to myself that this stuff is just NOT FOR ME.I know I have told you girls before, that P has the opposite effect on me than it seems to on other women. It energizes me, and acts as a diuretic. For the first year I used P, I was unable to use it at bedtime, or I would be up peeing and energetic and wide awake all night. When my E began to decline, and I added E to my HRT, I could only use the E at night, because it made me sleepy. Finally after about a year of using both E at night (for a good sleep) and P during the day, I found I could use both night and day. It is possible that if I use this vaginal P during the day along with E, I might be good. Not sure. If it gives me energy, at least I would have it during the day. But I think I would have to raise my E, to avoid sweating, warmth, and hot flashes, which I don't want to do. I guess this just goes to show you...even the "very best" out there (by some standards) is not the best for everyone. My face broke out a couple of days ago, from the continual sweating and oil coming out of my pores.

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This wasn't Estrogel misery. She used a compounded P gel from WIP.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Mcharlot

Anyway, thanks so much for sharing your Estrogel-misery with us, - so we can "be on our toes" and not blindly follow directions ever, especially when super sensitive, like we all are now.

[Guest guest]

> Wow that is a scary story! I would not use it again if I were

you. I had somewhat of a similar experience when I put drops of OO/P

in capsule and put it up in my vagina. It caused cramps and discomfort

and hot sweats, not as bad as you did, but don't think I put more than

25mg/OO/P up there. I gave it up after a couple of nights.

>

> Thanks for sharing your experience with the 4% Crinone vaginal gel.

That convinces me that it would not work for me either! Sorry you had

to be our guinea pig....take good care, Madeleen

>

Figured I would try it...and I also thought some of you might be

interested in my results. I DID NOT use any P last night, slept like a

baby, stopped sweating, and feel back to normal today. To me, that is

an extremely effective way to get it into the bloodstream and FAST!!

But not for me.

[Guest guest]

- I can't believe what I'm reading, though I really shouldn't

be surprised. I get these ridiculous reactions to things myself!

So much for the vaginal P gel producing less side effects to the

system!! I have my P gel on the way. I seem to get what you

experience with the P CREAM!! But I get those neck and back

spasms. P is supposed to be anti-inflammatory! Oh WELL

Einsteins -- back to the drawing board!

>

>

>

>

> Well, I finally got my P gel in the mail Thursday and used it

> Thursday night, Friday night, and last night. NOT GOOD.

>

> Thursday night, about an hour after using the 4% vaginal gel,

equal to 40 mgs before bed, I began to experience terrible cramps -

like the worst cramps I ever had before a period. I was aware of

them

> all night long. I figured " this means it is targeting my uterus,

as it should " . I got up to urinate 5 times during the night, large

amounts. The diuretic action of P. I broke out into a heavy sweat

early Friday morning in my sleep, woke up, and experienced 4 hours

without sleep. All day Friday, I was covered in sweat and wrung

out, like I had been during the month in 2003 that had I experienced

the vengeance of meno symptoms without estrogen. I was weak in the

knees, and had to take a long nap Friday afternoon, covered in sweat

> and with the air conditoning blasting cold air all day. I slept

very deeply and had a hard time waking up.

>

> Friday night, I used it again before bed at 10:00 PM and, once

again, I experienced cramps, night sweats, and inability to sleep

until about 3AM. Had cramps all day Saturday, combined with a

feeling of weakness in my body and physical exhaustion...oh

yes...once again, I was sweating thru my clothes all day long and my

hair looked like I had just gotten out of the shower. I staggered

around all day unable to think or do much of anything, weak in the

knees. It was like a day-long hot flash. I have been on the 1.25 bi-

> est caspules twice a day for 3 months now, so I DID have some E in

me, but this was just like back when I had no E at all.

>

> Call me obtuse if you like, I used it again last night before bed -

just to make sure it was the vaginal P causing the problem. Again -

no sleep until about 2 AM....I was covered in sweat, the air

conditioning had the guys and the dogs under covers and frost coming

off their breath. I was so warm, that even my wet hair and drenched

> nightgown, which I changed twice and finally took off altogether,

did not give me the chills in the cold room. Slept hard once I

finally fell asleep - probably from sheer exhaustion...I always need

at least

> 8 hours to feel well, and had been running on a deficit the last

couple of days. I have had no appetite at all. A headache for 3

days, taking Advils, and have decided that the ONLY WAY I could

continue using this stuff is if I use a lot of extra E, because

right now, I feel like I have NONE in me. I do not want to use more

E, as I am trying to stop cycling. The cramps have been a constant

since Thursday night.

>

> So, I guess this ends my experiment. I am able to benefit from

the P cream applied to my wrists and inner elbows. I am obviously

too sensitive to P to use it this way, where it goes right into my

bloodstream thru mucous membranes. I MIGHT try this one more time

during the week - when isn't here to share in my misery all

night and when I have had a good night's sleep the day before. If I

do, I will try only 1/2 as much, 20 mgs. But then again, I might

not try it again. I think I have proven to myself that this stuff

is

> just NOT FOR ME.

>

>

> I know I have told you girls before, that P has the opposite

effect on me than it seems to on other women. It energizes me, and

acts as a diuretic. For the first year I used P, I was unable to

use it at bedtime, or I would be up peeing and energetic and wide

awake all night. When my E began to decline, and I added E to my

HRT, I could

> only use the E at night, because it made me sleepy. Finally after

about a year of using both E at night (for a good sleep) and P

during the day, I found I could use both night and day.

>

> It is possible that if I use this vaginal P during the day along

with E, I might be good. Not sure. If it gives me energy, at least

I would have it during the day. But I think I would have to raise my

E, to avoid sweating, warmth, and hot flashes, which I don't want to

do.

>

>

> I guess this just goes to show you...even the " very best " out

there (by some standards) is not the best for everyone. My face

broke out a couple of days ago, from the continual sweating and oil

coming out of my pores.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Val for the correction to avoid any misunderstanding for the rest of us.

However, the experience may apply to other forms of application as well.

Love,

Charlotte

RE: My report on vaginal progesterone gel

This wasn't Estrogel misery. She used a compounded P gel from WIP.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Mcharlot

Anyway, thanks so much for sharing your Estrogel-misery with us, - so we can "be on our toes" and not blindly follow directions ever, especially when super sensitive, like we all are now.

[Guest guest]

astrodiana wrote:

To me, that is an extremely effective way to get it into the bloodstream and FAST!! But not for me.

And into the uterus! Can you do less? Madeleen

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[Guest guest]

- maybe you were SUPPOSED to feel cramps at first. Maybe your

body was just getting used to it. Although I don't like all those other

symptoms you got. Terrible.

> > To me, that is an extremely effective way to get it into the

> bloodstream and FAST!!

> > But not for me.

> >

> > And into the uterus! Can you do less? Madeleen

> >

>

> I don't think I want to try it again....but I might get brave, and

then

> I would do 20mgs. It DOES seem to target the uterus...the cramps felt

> like someone was wringing it out all weekend.

>