Re: Mild Autism occuring in adults with lyme

[Guest guest]

I am so glad you mention this because I have seen several with Lyme, Bartonella,

Mycoplasma, etc. that do have symptoms found in autism, but I don't want to

mention it to them. But, it's true, the lack of eye contact, some lose their

speech, get sensitivity to lights and noise, etc. Thus, this is why I feel all

these epidemic diagnoses are connected to pleomorphic bacteria wearing down

their immune system, allowing pathogens and toxins to stock-pile. The good news

is that I also see these symptoms reverse upon treatment. But, treatment can be

difficult to get to work, expensive and time-consuming.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

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> I have developed some autistic symptoms from my lyme including difficulty

making eye contact, feeling emotionally disconnected, strange attention to

detail, sensory overload, etc...

> Anyone else have this from lyme?

>

> Thane

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[Guest guest]

What is GFCF?

Thx,

Thane

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> ABSOLUTELY.

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> I believe I would definitely rate on the spectrum at this point. I have felt

this way for a while, which is why I am starting GFCF for myself.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Heidi,

What is pleomorphism exactly in reference to lyme? Is it its different stages

such as l-form, cyst, spirochete, etc..

Thanks for confirming this kind of autism in lyme to me. It has bothered me for

a long time because i have always been very confident and I would find I could

not look another in the eyes. I would come across as intimidated, disinterested,

or that i'm giving the cold shoulder.

Also the difficulty in being able to become emotionally connected with another

was/is terrible because it made me feel completely alone at a time when i could

least tolerate it. I have made some improvements, but when i am herxing it all

comes back and its hard.

You've seen many with this case..are you a health practitioner?

Thx,

Thane

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> > I have developed some autistic symptoms from my lyme including difficulty

making eye contact, feeling emotionally disconnected, strange attention to

detail, sensory overload, etc...

> > Anyone else have this from lyme?

> >

> > Thane

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Gluten Free, Casein Free diet

http://www.gfcfdiet.com/

(For me = one year in the beginning of treatments)

the second most used diet is probably the SDC diet

http://www.pecanbread.com/

(For me = six years)

There are other diets, too.

no problem,

~zeph

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> What is GFCF?

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> Thx,

> Thane

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[Guest guest]

Thane:

Can you describe why you avoid eye contact? Do you feel an intensity if you keep eye contact, like you are meshing with the person? I think the desire to be emotionally disconnected is because we are ill. When a person has the flu, they often don't want to be touched or talk, etc. When we are sick with chronic infections, our bodies and minds are fatigued, reserving our energy for the basic functions, not the extra functions of social fun.

I worked many years with psychiatric diagnoses and developmental diagnoses. I work from home now, doing research and writing.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

Hi Heidi,What is pleomorphism exactly in reference to lyme? Is it its different stages such as l-form, cyst, spirochete, etc.. Thanks for confirming this kind of autism in lyme to me. It has bothered me for a long time because i have always been very confident and I would find I could not look another in the eyes. I would come across as intimidated, disinterested, or that i'm giving the cold shoulder.Also the difficulty in being able to become emotionally connected with another was/is terrible because it made me feel completely alone at a time when i could least tolerate it. I have made some improvements, but when i am herxing it all comes back and its hard. You've seen many with this case..are you a health practitioner?Thx,Thane

[Guest guest]

HeidiI have been confined to bed for 2 weeks now with some kind of unusual flu. What you are saying is completely true and l was thinking about droping a couple of lines about it. I am very social and talkative, this two weeks l don't want to see anybody or talk, l feel too exhausted from it, in a strange way. I have also experienced other sensory overload symptoms: sensitivity to light and sound, when l bathe the water "stings" my skin and so does the application of lotion and parfum, it is not a sensation of stinging because the skin is in bad shape, it is like a burning sensation underneath the skin...accompanied by chills. standing up and doing proper "eye track" movement is painful, so l am moving my head completely to turn somewhere instead of just moving the eyes. Just thought to myself, if this is similar to what ASD kids experience....how terrible, my heart breaks.BlessingsIsaEnviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de TelcelFrom: Ambitionn01@...Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 13:53:14 EDTTo: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >Subject: Re: Mild Autism occuring in adults with lyme Thane: Can you describe why you avoid eye contact? Do you feel an intensity if you keep eye contact, like you are meshing with the person? I think the desire to be emotionally disconnected is because we are ill. When a person has the flu, they often don't want to be touched or talk, etc. When we are sick with chronic infections, our bodies and minds are fatigued, reserving our energy for the basic functions, not the extra functions of social fun. I worked many years with psychiatric diagnoses and developmental diagnoses. I work from home now, doing research and writing. Love and prayers, Heidi N Hi Heidi,What is pleomorphism exactly in reference to lyme? Is it its different stages such as l-form, cyst, spirochete, etc.. Thanks for confirming this kind of autism in lyme to me. It has bothered me for a long time because i have always been very confident and I would find I could not look another in the eyes. I would come across as intimidated, disinterested, or that i'm giving the cold shoulder.Also the difficulty in being able to become emotionally connected with another was/is terrible because it made me feel completely alone at a time when i could least tolerate it. I have made some improvements, but when i am herxing it all comes back and its hard. You've seen many with this case..are you a health practitioner?Thx,Thane

[Guest guest]

Heidi,

Difficulty with eye contact is hard for me to explain. But I think it is what

you described as being too intense. I think part of it might be the flood of

information that comes from someones eyes and my inability to process it at the

rate its coming at me. My tired brain just caves in under the stress.

I also think part of it might be my difficulty in thinking about two things at

once, so if i'm looking at someone I can't think at the same time. I even have

trouble looking an animal in the eyes sometimes. It sounds weird but I didn't

used to be like this till I suffered severe brain inflammation for several

years.

And there is this thing with becoming emotionally connected with someone that is

extremely uncomfortable. Its strange because I starve for it sometimes but even

standing close to someone or expressing affection seems very uncomfortable at

times. And making eye contact with someone is very personal, too personal.

I think this phenomenon is more than just being sick and wanting to be left

alone because I know I also have problems processing emotions. I had my dog die

several months back and it was hard on me, but the feelings came on and off like

a switch. I would cry out, then be numb, the be overwhelmed with emotion, then

it would shut of instantly. I watched some video of an autistic person who was

going through an emotional time and I noticed right away when they would be

overwhelmed with emotion and cry it would break off suddenly in just the same

way it happens to me.

I also have trouble with the natural flow of conversation. I can talk about

what i'm interested in easily but the give and take from one person to another

confuses me and I find it hard to know how to respond and when I should talk and

when I should stop. And I used to be a salesman who handled conversation quite

well.

Another thing..I have a lot of trouble talking to more than one person at

once...switching my attention between two people is almost impossible and I have

to choose to speak to just one person and ignore the other.

I think I am able to gain a good perspective on these autistic like symptoms I

am experiencing because they mostly go away at times, like when I am not herxing

hard, and my brain isn't so inflammed. Then they come back full force when i'm

toxic and inflammed.

I still have pretty close relationships in my life, but sometimes I feel like I

hardly know them, I stare at them and try to remember who they were to me, then

later when i'm not herxing we're like old friends again. It does create

problems for me though because when I can't feel very well I am extremely blunt

and hurt others feelings easily. I forget how sensative others can be during

these times.

Thanks for listening and for your input

Thane

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> Thane:

>

> Can you describe why you avoid eye contact? Do you feel an intensity if

> you keep eye contact, like you are meshing with the person? I think the

> desire to be emotionally disconnected is because we are ill. When a person

> has the flu, they often don't want to be touched or talk, etc. When we are

> sick with chronic infections, our bodies and minds are fatigued, reserving

> our energy for the basic functions, not the extra functions of social fun.

>

> I worked many years with psychiatric diagnoses and developmental

> diagnoses. I work from home now, doing research and writing.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

> Hi Heidi,

>

> What is pleomorphism exactly in reference to lyme? Is it its different

> stages such as l-form, cyst, spirochete, etc..

>

> Thanks for confirming this kind of autism in lyme to me. It has bothered

> me for a long time because i have always been very confident and I would

> find I could not look another in the eyes. I would come across as

intimidated,

> disinterested, or that i'm giving the cold shoulder.

>

> Also the difficulty in being able to become emotionally connected with

> another was/is terrible because it made me feel completely alone at a time

> when i could least tolerate it. I have made some improvements, but when i am

> herxing it all comes back and its hard.

>

> You've seen many with this case..are you a health practitioner?

>

> Thx,

> Thane

>

[Guest guest]

I just started treating for bioplasma and had a huge herx, so I think it will be huge for us.