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I have a question that is primarily for those of you with Chiari and/or EDS (but

ANY insight would be happily welcomed). I hate to post this to the public but I

NEED to find answeres! I have had this EXTREMELY PAINFUL AND IRRITATING problem

that when it first started would be almost like every 4 months on the nose but

then has become more and more and MORE regular to almost be weekly and at times

doesn't go away for over a week and will often just hit in the middle or end of

a day out of nowhere.  OK, the " problem " is a pain in my chest, very cenetred

and over my sternum area that is not cardiac.  I have been told in the past that

it was " pluersy " " costrochondritis " (sp) and most recently given a script for

rib and sternum exrays (not done yet). I was perscribed " Indocin " for any

inlammation that it may be but that literally kills my stomach.  The pain is

very strange and it hurts TREMENDOUSLY to breathe and I have had to spend as

much as 4 days flat in bed from it.  When it starts I almost hate to even move

knowing it will just continue to get worse for several days before going away. 

This has become a regular part of my life that I can no longer deal with!  When

I say " bad " pain, I mean BAD.  I am on constant pain management for my Chiari

issues and effects of surgery and stroke and etc..... So one would think that my

pain would be pretty " managed " but it is NOT!  When it is " here " I use muscle

relaxers, heat packs and pin meds but it only help me to feel like I can

actually " Breathe " and when I remove the heat and try to move I feel like I am

being punched in the chest.    I am praying that someone has some insight of

some kind for me?  The more I read up on EDS I think maybe it is that but I

truely have NO idea and welcome any input!  Please let me know if you have any

info for me.... Thank you, Mindy

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Mindy,

You have a lot going on here. Sorry to hear you are in so much pain. Until you

can get an EDS workup, you have a lot to deal with.

If possible, go ahead and get the tests they suggested. Even if they come up

normal, it tells you something, dig into EDS, keep looking inside and outside

the Chiari community. If it is not normal, and they find something, you can

start getting it treated.

Sometimes those of us who have experienced a lot and know, really know, intense

pain, we put off getting things checked for any number of reasons -- we learned

to tolerate pain, we don't want another problem, etc. But, truth is, at some

point, we have to pull ourselves back up and keep looking.

Let us know what you find out.

Hanna

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Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:49:46 +0000

Subject: HELP...NEED ANSWERS PLEASE...

I have a question that is primarily for those of you with Chiari and/or

EDS (but ANY insight would be happily welcomed). I hate to post this to the

public but I NEED to find answeres! I have had this EXTREMELY PAINFUL AND

IRRITATING problem that when it first started would be almost like every 4

months on the nose but then has become more and more and MORE regular to almost

be weekly and at times doesn't go away for over a week and will often just hit

in the middle or end of a day out of nowhere. OK, the " problem " is a pain in my

chest, very cenetred and over my sternum area that is not cardiac. I have been

told in the past that it was " pluersy " " costrochondritis " (sp) and most recently

given a script for rib and sternum exrays (not done yet). I was perscribed

" Indocin " for any inlammation that it may be but that literally kills my

stomach. The pain is very strange and it hurts TREMENDOUSLY to breathe and I

have had to spend as much as 4 days flat in bed from it. When it starts I

almost hate to even move knowing it will just continue to get worse for several

days before going away. This has become a regular part of my life that I can no

longer deal with! When I say " bad " pain, I mean BAD. I am on constant pain

management for my Chiari issues and effects of surgery and stroke and etc.....

So one would think that my pain would be pretty " managed " but it is NOT! When

it is " here " I use muscle relaxers, heat packs and pin meds but it only help me

to feel like I can actually " Breathe " and when I remove the heat and try to move

I feel like I am being punched in the chest. I am praying that someone has

some insight of some kind for me? The more I read up on EDS I think maybe it is

that but I truely have NO idea and welcome any input! Please let me know if you

have any info for me.... Thank you, Mindy

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What is an EDS work up?

De: Hanna T

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Mindy,

You have a lot going on here. Sorry to hear you are in so much pain. Until

you can get an EDS workup, you have a lot to deal with.

If possible, go ahead and get the tests they suggested. Even if they come

up normal, it tells you something, dig into EDS, keep looking inside and

outside the Chiari community. If it is not normal, and they find

something, you can start getting it treated.

Sometimes those of us who have experienced a lot and know, really know,

intense pain, we put off getting things checked for any number of reasons --

we learned to tolerate pain, we don't want another problem, etc. But, truth

is, at some point, we have to pull ourselves back up and keep looking.

Let us know what you find out.

Hanna

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From: mindyjc@... <mailto:mindyjc%40msn.com>

Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:49:46 +0000

Subject: HELP...NEED ANSWERS PLEASE...

I have a question that is primarily for those of you with Chiari and/or EDS

(but ANY insight would be happily welcomed). I hate to post this to the

public but I NEED to find answeres! I have had this EXTREMELY PAINFUL AND

IRRITATING problem that when it first started would be almost like every 4

months on the nose but then has become more and more and MORE regular to

almost be weekly and at times doesn't go away for over a week and will often

just hit in the middle or end of a day out of nowhere. OK, the " problem " is

a pain in my chest, very cenetred and over my sternum area that is not

cardiac. I have been told in the past that it was " pluersy "

" costrochondritis " (sp) and most recently given a script for rib and sternum

exrays (not done yet). I was perscribed " Indocin " for any inlammation that

it may be but that literally kills my stomach. The pain is very strange and

it hurts TREMENDOUSLY to breathe and I have had to spend as much as 4 days

flat in bed from it. When it starts I almost hate to even move knowing it

will just continue to get worse for several days before going away. This

has become a regular part of my life that I can no longer deal with! When I

say " bad " pain, I mean BAD. I am on constant pain management for my Chiari

issues and effects of surgery and stroke and etc..... So one would think

that my pain would be pretty " managed " but it is NOT! When it is " here " I

use muscle relaxers, heat packs and pin meds but it only help me to feel

like I can actually " Breathe " and when I remove the heat and try to move I

feel like I am being punched in the chest. I am praying that someone has

some insight of some kind for me? The more I read up on EDS I think maybe

it is that but I truely have NO idea and welcome any input! Please let me

know if you have any info for me.... Thank you, Mindy

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Sharon Lang

> What is an EDS work up?

>

>

> De: Hanna T

> Responder a: < >

> Fecha: jueves 14 de junio de 2012 17:42

> Para: <chiariconnectioninternational >

> Asunto: RE: HELP...NEED ANSWERS PLEASE...

>

> Mindy,

> You have a lot going on here. Sorry to hear you are in so much pain. Until

> you can get an EDS workup, you have a lot to deal with.

>

> If possible, go ahead and get the tests they suggested. Even if they come

> up normal, it tells you something, dig into EDS, keep looking inside and

> outside the Chiari community. If it is not normal, and they find

> something, you can start getting it treated.

>

> Sometimes those of us who have experienced a lot and know, really know,

> intense pain, we put off getting things checked for any number of reasons --

> we learned to tolerate pain, we don't want another problem, etc. But, truth

> is, at some point, we have to pull ourselves back up and keep looking.

>

> Let us know what you find out.

>

> Hanna

>

> To:

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: mindyjc@... <mailto:mindyjc%40msn.com>

> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:49:46 +0000

> Subject: HELP...NEED ANSWERS PLEASE...

>

> I have a question that is primarily for those of you with Chiari and/or EDS

> (but ANY insight would be happily welcomed). I hate to post this to the

> public but I NEED to find answeres! I have had this EXTREMELY PAINFUL AND

> IRRITATING problem that when it first started would be almost like every 4

> months on the nose but then has become more and more and MORE regular to

> almost be weekly and at times doesn't go away for over a week and will often

> just hit in the middle or end of a day out of nowhere. OK, the " problem " is

> a pain in my chest, very cenetred and over my sternum area that is not

> cardiac. I have been told in the past that it was " pluersy "

> " costrochondritis " (sp) and most recently given a script for rib and sternum

> exrays (not done yet). I was perscribed " Indocin " for any inlammation that

> it may be but that literally kills my stomach. The pain is very strange and

> it hurts TREMENDOUSLY to breathe and I have had to spend as much as 4 days

> flat in bed from it. When it starts I almost hate to even move knowing it

> will just continue to get worse for several days before going away. This

> has become a regular part of my life that I can no longer deal with! When I

> say " bad " pain, I mean BAD. I am on constant pain management for my Chiari

> issues and effects of surgery and stroke and etc..... So one would think

> that my pain would be pretty " managed " but it is NOT! When it is " here " I

> use muscle relaxers, heat packs and pin meds but it only help me to feel

> like I can actually " Breathe " and when I remove the heat and try to move I

> feel like I am being punched in the chest. I am praying that someone has

> some insight of some kind for me? The more I read up on EDS I think maybe

> it is that but I truely have NO idea and welcome any input! Please let me

> know if you have any info for me.... Thank you, Mindy

>

>

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I know what is EDS, I am refering to the work up part, what is EDS work

up??? L

De: Gordon Lang

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Fecha: jueves 14 de junio de 2012 20:27

Para: " "

< >

Asunto: Re: HELP...NEED ANSWERS PLEASE...

Ehlers danlos

Sharon Lang

On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Frade Rubio <lfrade@...

<mailto:lfrade%40prodigy.net.mx> > wrote:

> What is an EDS work up?

>

>

> De: Hanna T <hannatet@... <mailto:hannatet%40live.com> >

> Responder a: <

<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >

> Fecha: jueves 14 de junio de 2012 17:42

> Para: <chiariconnectioninternational

<mailto:chiariconnectioninternational%40yahoogroups.com> >

> Asunto: RE: HELP...NEED ANSWERS PLEASE...

>

> Mindy,

> You have a lot going on here. Sorry to hear you are in so much pain. Until

> you can get an EDS workup, you have a lot to deal with.

>

> If possible, go ahead and get the tests they suggested. Even if they come

> up normal, it tells you something, dig into EDS, keep looking inside and

> outside the Chiari community. If it is not normal, and they find

> something, you can start getting it treated.

>

> Sometimes those of us who have experienced a lot and know, really know,

> intense pain, we put off getting things checked for any number of reasons --

> we learned to tolerate pain, we don't want another problem, etc. But, truth

> is, at some point, we have to pull ourselves back up and keep looking.

>

> Let us know what you find out.

>

> Hanna

>

> To:

<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: mindyjc@... <mailto:mindyjc%40msn.com> <mailto:mindyjc%40msn.com>

> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:49:46 +0000

> Subject: HELP...NEED ANSWERS PLEASE...

>

> I have a question that is primarily for those of you with Chiari and/or EDS

> (but ANY insight would be happily welcomed). I hate to post this to the

> public but I NEED to find answeres! I have had this EXTREMELY PAINFUL AND

> IRRITATING problem that when it first started would be almost like every 4

> months on the nose but then has become more and more and MORE regular to

> almost be weekly and at times doesn't go away for over a week and will often

> just hit in the middle or end of a day out of nowhere. OK, the " problem " is

> a pain in my chest, very cenetred and over my sternum area that is not

> cardiac. I have been told in the past that it was " pluersy "

> " costrochondritis " (sp) and most recently given a script for rib and sternum

> exrays (not done yet). I was perscribed " Indocin " for any inlammation that

> it may be but that literally kills my stomach. The pain is very strange and

> it hurts TREMENDOUSLY to breathe and I have had to spend as much as 4 days

> flat in bed from it. When it starts I almost hate to even move knowing it

> will just continue to get worse for several days before going away. This

> has become a regular part of my life that I can no longer deal with! When I

> say " bad " pain, I mean BAD. I am on constant pain management for my Chiari

> issues and effects of surgery and stroke and etc..... So one would think

> that my pain would be pretty " managed " but it is NOT! When it is " here " I

> use muscle relaxers, heat packs and pin meds but it only help me to feel

> like I can actually " Breathe " and when I remove the heat and try to move I

> feel like I am being punched in the chest. I am praying that someone has

> some insight of some kind for me? The more I read up on EDS I think maybe

> it is that but I truely have NO idea and welcome any input! Please let me

> know if you have any info for me.... Thank you, Mindy

>

>

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I had an appointment with a doctor that is also a geneticist. It was a looooong

appointment. This doctor consults with my neurosurgeon so she knows a lot about

Chiari.

She asked a lot of questions about family and their health.We talked about the

hyperextended things I can do with thumb, knees, elbows, fingers.

She did detailed measurements of my body, head to toe, things like elbow to

fingertip, fingertip to palm, foot to knee, etc. as well as measured the

angle/degree of hyperextension of my knees, elbows, hand.

She asked me to walk a certain way, then another, then another - toe walking,

heel walking, and a few others I don't remember.

I don't recall how she determined that I did or did not have problems

internally, like if my heart was impacted or other organs. If there were scans,

it is all a blur since I was having some Chiari re-exams at the time. She may

have just looked at their scans.

There were no blood tests or other tests that I recall.

She suggested some meds for the pain, which I still take, but that was about all

she could do, give me info and suggest some relief.

Hope this helps.Hanna

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From: lfrade@...

Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 08:05:58 -0500

Subject: Re: HELP...NEED ANSWERS PLEASE...

I know what is EDS, I am refering to the work up part, what is EDS work

up??? L

De: Gordon Lang

Responder a: < >

Fecha: jueves 14 de junio de 2012 20:27

Para: " "

< >

Asunto: Re: HELP...NEED ANSWERS PLEASE...

Ehlers danlos

Sharon Lang

On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Frade Rubio <lfrade@...

<mailto:lfrade%40prodigy.net.mx> > wrote:

> What is an EDS work up?

>

>

> De: Hanna T <hannatet@... <mailto:hannatet%40live.com> >

> Responder a: <

<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >

> Fecha: jueves 14 de junio de 2012 17:42

> Para: <chiariconnectioninternational

<mailto:chiariconnectioninternational%40yahoogroups.com> >

> Asunto: RE: HELP...NEED ANSWERS PLEASE...

>

> Mindy,

> You have a lot going on here. Sorry to hear you are in so much pain. Until

> you can get an EDS workup, you have a lot to deal with.

>

> If possible, go ahead and get the tests they suggested. Even if they come

> up normal, it tells you something, dig into EDS, keep looking inside and

> outside the Chiari community. If it is not normal, and they find

> something, you can start getting it treated.

>

> Sometimes those of us who have experienced a lot and know, really know,

> intense pain, we put off getting things checked for any number of reasons --

> we learned to tolerate pain, we don't want another problem, etc. But, truth

> is, at some point, we have to pull ourselves back up and keep looking.

>

> Let us know what you find out.

>

> Hanna

>

> To:

<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: mindyjc@... <mailto:mindyjc%40msn.com> <mailto:mindyjc%40msn.com>

> Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 06:49:46 +0000

> Subject: HELP...NEED ANSWERS PLEASE...

>

> I have a question that is primarily for those of you with Chiari and/or EDS

> (but ANY insight would be happily welcomed). I hate to post this to the

> public but I NEED to find answeres! I have had this EXTREMELY PAINFUL AND

> IRRITATING problem that when it first started would be almost like every 4

> months on the nose but then has become more and more and MORE regular to

> almost be weekly and at times doesn't go away for over a week and will often

> just hit in the middle or end of a day out of nowhere. OK, the " problem " is

> a pain in my chest, very cenetred and over my sternum area that is not

> cardiac. I have been told in the past that it was " pluersy "

> " costrochondritis " (sp) and most recently given a script for rib and sternum

> exrays (not done yet). I was perscribed " Indocin " for any inlammation that

> it may be but that literally kills my stomach. The pain is very strange and

> it hurts TREMENDOUSLY to breathe and I have had to spend as much as 4 days

> flat in bed from it. When it starts I almost hate to even move knowing it

> will just continue to get worse for several days before going away. This

> has become a regular part of my life that I can no longer deal with! When I

> say " bad " pain, I mean BAD. I am on constant pain management for my Chiari

> issues and effects of surgery and stroke and etc..... So one would think

> that my pain would be pretty " managed " but it is NOT! When it is " here " I

> use muscle relaxers, heat packs and pin meds but it only help me to feel

> like I can actually " Breathe " and when I remove the heat and try to move I

> feel like I am being punched in the chest. I am praying that someone has

> some insight of some kind for me? The more I read up on EDS I think maybe

> it is that but I truely have NO idea and welcome any input! Please let me

> know if you have any info for me.... Thank you, Mindy

>

>

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I just had that same issue come up again and instead of doing nothing this

time i went to the ER thinking it was a heart attack..and as usual their

tests were allnormal no cardiac event. I was given something for

" inflamation " and pain and sent on my way with instructions to return if it

happened again. It is not a known chiari issue but has been brought up

often that its possibly EDS. I had the same labels given to the pain and

the end result no idea what it is.

I am looking to find out if the local teaching hospital has still got the

EDS clinic.

Belinda

> **

>

>

> I have a question that is primarily for those of you with Chiari and/or

> EDS (but ANY insight would be happily welcomed). I hate to post this to the

> public but I NEED to find answeres! I have had this EXTREMELY PAINFUL AND

> IRRITATING problem that when it first started would be almost like every 4

> months on the nose but then has become more and more and MORE regular to

> almost be weekly and at times doesn't go away for over a week and will

> often just hit in the middle or end of a day out of nowhere. OK, the

> " problem " is a pain in my chest, very cenetred and over my sternum area

> that is not cardiac. I have been told in the past that it was " pluersy "

> " costrochondritis " (sp) and most recently given a script for rib and

> sternum exrays (not done yet). I was perscribed " Indocin " for any

> inlammation that it may be but that literally kills my stomach. The pain

> is very strange and it hurts TREMENDOUSLY to breathe and I have had to

> spend as much as 4 days flat in bed from it. When it starts I almost hate

> to even move knowing it will just continue to get worse for several days

> before going away. This has become a regular part of my life that I can no

> longer deal with! When I say " bad " pain, I mean BAD. I am on constant

> pain management for my Chiari issues and effects of surgery and stroke and

> etc..... So one would think that my pain would be pretty " managed " but it

> is NOT! When it is " here " I use muscle relaxers, heat packs and pin meds

> but it only help me to feel like I can actually " Breathe " and when I remove

> the heat and try to move I feel like I am being punched in the chest. I

> am praying that someone has some insight of some kind for me? The more I

> read up on EDS I think maybe it is that but I truely have NO idea and

> welcome any input! Please let me know if you have any info for me....

> Thank you, Mindy

>

>

>

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This sounds like something we in the chiari-syringomyelia community have long

called the " sm hug " . It often starts sub-sternal, but soon involves the entire

ribcage and is very severe. It feels like someone, or a grizzly bear, or a boa

constrictor (or choose your own visual) wrapped around your chest and squeezing

harder and harder. Just when you think it can't squeeze any harder -- because

you can't take another breath -- it does! And it hurts like bloody h & #% !!

On a scale of 0-10 (that familiar pain scale that doctors like to use) I'd rate

the last one I had about 12, or maybe 15. And I'm not kidding. The worst of it

lasted about 2 hours and my ribcage was sore to touch for a 2-3 days after.

You indicated that you have Chiari; do you also have a syrinx, or do you know?

The sm hug is not an EDS issue, but it is a spinal/brain stem issue.

You should probably go ahead with the x-rays that were ordered, and I will guess

that some doctor at some point will order a cardiac work-up, just because they

don't know/understand anything about the " hug " and have to rule out everything

they know about first.

My first one, in 1998, sent me to the ER convinced I was having a heart attack.

I had every heart test under the sun, including a heart cath. Nothing abnormal.

Then for several years I had a moderately severe (about a 7-8 on the pain scale)

sub-sternal pain that radiated to the right. This totally confused my PCP who

insisted that couldn't be, and I must be making it up. Refused to give me any

pain meds. Also about that time other Chiari/sm symptoms were showing up which

really confused the issue. The sm was diagnosed in 2005, about the time the hugs

started appearing every 4-5 months. Fired my unimpressed PCP a year later.

Not until I went to TCI in 2009, by which time I was really sick, did I learn

that I had OTCS and CM along with my syrinx. I had surgery for the tethered cord

early in 2010 and had no further hugs (relieved a whole lot of other symptoms,

too) until about 6 weeks ago.

At my annual appt last week we talked about that. They are very familiar with

the " hugs " , but found no change in the MRI's that would account for it. It just

is, and we hope won't be very often.

I know this was long, but what you described just sounds so similiar to what

I've felt when the bear attacks, that I wanted to respond. I hope this helps.

Anne

Oh ... what relieves them? Sorry, not much... :(

>

> I have a question that is primarily for those of you with Chiari and/or EDS

(but ANY insight would be happily welcomed). I hate to post this to the public

but I NEED to find answeres! I have had this EXTREMELY PAINFUL AND IRRITATING

problem that when it first started would be almost like every 4 months on the

nose but then has become more and more and MORE regular to almost be weekly and

at times doesn't go away for over a week and will often just hit in the middle

or end of a day out of nowhere.  OK, the " problem " is a pain in my chest, very

cenetred and over my sternum area that is not cardiac.  I have been told in the

past that it was " pluersy " " costrochondritis " (sp) and most recently given a

script for rib and sternum exrays (not done yet). I was perscribed " Indocin " for

any inlammation that it may be but that literally kills my stomach.  The pain is

very strange and it hurts TREMENDOUSLY to breathe and I have had to spend as

much as 4 days flat in bed from it.  When it starts I almost hate to even move

knowing it will just continue to get worse for several days before going away. 

This has become a regular part of my life that I can no longer deal with!  When

I say " bad " pain, I mean BAD.  I am on constant pain management for my Chiari

issues and effects of surgery and stroke and etc..... So one would think that my

pain would be pretty " managed " but it is NOT!  When it is " here " I use muscle

relaxers, heat packs and pin meds but it only help me to feel like I can

actually " Breathe " and when I remove the heat and try to move I feel like I am

being punched in the chest.    I am praying that someone has some insight of

some kind for me?  The more I read up on EDS I think maybe it is that but I

truely have NO idea and welcome any input!  Please let me know if you have any

info for me.... Thank you, Mindy

>

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