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Terry,

Is the observation code being billed by nursing or the physician in the instance you describe?

Lane

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CCI Edits

Has anyone on the listserve experienced receiving CCI edits when an evaluation code of 97001 is billed with an observation code of 99218?

This is occurring when we see an OP after surgery and receive a referral for gait training prior to discharge. We will see the patient and enter charges for an evaluation and gait training. I am now getting an edit indicated as follows:

WARNING: CCI CONFLICT WITH HCPCS CODES 97001 and 99218 Standards of medical/surgical practice.

I have researched the CCE Modifier Indicator list and see that there is a "0" indicating there is no circumstance in which a modifier would be appropriate.

I don't see how they consider our evaluation to be the same as the observation code and the services to be alike. Am I not seeing something here? How much further are we going to be pushed to justify our professional services for payment?

Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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It is a nursing facility applied charge. I am very perplexed by this one.

Terry Jett MBA,PT

Regional Director of Rehabilitation Services

Providence Medical Center

8929 Parallel Parkway

Kansas City, Kansas 66112-3607

Office:

Fax:

E-mail: tjett@...

CCI Edits

Has anyone on the listserve experienced receiving CCI edits when an evaluation code of 97001 is billed with an observation code of 99218?

This is occurring when we see an OP after surgery and receive a referral for gait training prior to discharge.

We will see the patient and enter charges for an evaluation and gait training.  I am now getting an edit indicated as follows:

        WARNING:  CCI CONFLICT WITH HCPCS CODES 97001 and 99218

        Standards of medical/surgical practice.

I have researched the CCE Modifier Indicator list and see that there is a " 0 " indicating there is no circumstance in which a modifier would be appropriate.

I don't see how they consider our evaluation to be the same as the observation code and the services to be alike.

Am I not seeing something here?  How much further are we going to be pushed to justify our professional services for payment?

Any input would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks.

Terry Jett  MBA,PT

Regional Director of Rehabilitation Services

Providence Medical Center

8929 Parallel Parkway

Kansas City, Kansas  66112-3607

Office:   

Fax:      

E-mail:   tjett@...

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We only charge for gait as we do not perform a full eval, more like a screen

and move right into the functional activities. As far as I know we have not

received any such denials.

Craig Lee, PT, MS

Director of Rehabilitation Services

Excelsior Springs Medical Center

Excelsior Springs, MO

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>Subject: CCI Edits

>Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:02:32 -0500

>

>Has anyone on the listserve experienced receiving CCI edits when an

>evaluation code of 97001 is billed with an observation code of 99218?

>This is occurring when we see an OP after surgery and receive a referral

>for

>gait training prior to discharge.

>We will see the patient and enter charges for an evaluation and gait

>training. I am now getting an edit indicated as follows:

> WARNING: CCI CONFLICT WITH HCPCS CODES 97001 and 99218

> Standards of medical/surgical practice.

>

>I have researched the CCE Modifier Indicator list and see that there is a

> " 0 " indicating there is no circumstance in which a modifier would be

>appropriate.

>I don't see how they consider our evaluation to be the same as the

>observation code and the services to be alike.

>Am I not seeing something here? How much further are we going to be pushed

>to justify our professional services for payment?

>

>Any input would be greatly appreciated.

>Thanks.

>

>

>Terry Jett MBA,PT

>Regional Director of Rehabilitation Services

>Providence Medical Center

>8929 Parallel Parkway

>Kansas City, Kansas 66112-3607

>Office:

>Fax:

>E-mail: tjett@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Terry & List,

I apologize for not being able to locate a reference for my contribution.

It is my belief that in the scenario described your post operative case is

considered an out-patient unless " admitted " to the facility. Ancillary

services such as 97001 or 97116 are officially " bundled " into the principle

out-patient surgical procedure. They can not be separately billed. The

change was back in about 1995 and I can not find the original documents on

short notice.

Allan Trumbull

Director, Physical Therapy

Mount Clemens General Hospital

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> CCI Edits

>

>

>

> Has anyone on the listserve experienced receiving CCI edits

> when an evaluation code of 97001 is billed with an observation code of

> 99218?

>

> This is occurring when we see an OP after surgery and

> receive a referral for gait training prior to discharge.

> We will see the patient and enter charges for an evaluation

> and gait training. I am now getting an edit indicated as follows:

>

> WARNING: CCI CONFLICT WITH HCPCS CODES 97001 and

> 99218

> Standards of medical/surgical practice.

>

> I have researched the CCE Modifier Indicator list and see

> that there is a " 0 " indicating there is no circumstance in which a

> modifier

> would be appropriate.

>

> I don't see how they consider our evaluation to be the same

> as the observation code and the services to be alike.

> Am I not seeing something here? How much further are we

> going to be pushed to justify our professional services for payment?

>

> Any input would be greatly appreciated.

> Thanks.

>

>

> Terry Jett MBA,PT

> Regional Director of Rehabilitation Services

> Providence Medical Center

> 8929 Parallel Parkway

> Kansas City, Kansas 66112-3607

> Office:

> Fax:

> E-mail: tjett@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit our EStore at www.RehabBusiness.com

>

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> business! Call to arrange a demo -.

>

> Rehab Management Solutions can can improve your bottom line

> -

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>

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Terry,

I'm sitting here reading the posts regarding your issue and am wondering

about the following:

If post operatively you can not bill for these services as they are

bundeled, why not create a protocol for elective procedures that addresses

gait training and home exercise/management planning prior to surgery.

There are likely in most surgical cases applicable parameters for pre-surgical

PT, and any protocol could address basic requirements/qualifications for

pre-surgical PT.

I really work very little with p/o patients, and am not certain if there

is any validity to my suggestion. Just wanted to post this as a theoretical

option, which may have practical use. I look forward to the response

of the list.

van Well, PT

Redford, Mi

Terry Jett wrote:

Has anyone on

the listserve experienced receiving CCI edits when an evaluation code of

97001 is billed with an observation code of 99218?

This is occurring

when we see an OP after surgery and receive a referral for gait training

prior to discharge.

We will see

the patient and enter charges for an evaluation and gait training.

I am now getting an edit indicated as follows:

WARNING:

CCI CONFLICT WITH HCPCS CODES 97001 and 99218

Standards

of medical/surgical practice.

I have researched

the CCE Modifier Indicator list and see that there is a "0" indicating

there is no circumstance in which a modifier would be appropriate.

I don't see

how they consider our evaluation to be the same as the observation code

and the services to be alike.

Am I not seeing

something here? How much further are we going to be pushed to justify

our professional services for payment?

Any input would

be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Terry Jett

MBA,PT

Regional

Director of Rehabilitation Services

Providence

Medical Center

8929 Parallel

Parkway

Kansas City,

Kansas 66112-3607

Office:

Fax:

E-mail:

tjett@...

Visit our EStore at www.RehabBusiness.com

Rehab Pro - The software solution to controlling your rehab business!

Call to arrange a demo -.

Rehab Management Solutions can can improve your bottom line - (877)

552-2996

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Sure, this can be and is often done pre-operatively. Reimbursement is still

often " bundled " . The advantage of pre-op, is that one can control the

" urgency " factors a little.

Allan Trumbull

Director, Physical Therapy

Mount Clemens General Hospital

atrumbul@...

> Re: CCI Edits

>

> Terry,

>

> I'm sitting here reading the posts regarding your issue and am wondering

> about the following:

>

> If post operatively you can not bill for these services as they are

> bundeled, why not create a protocol for elective procedures that

> addresses gait training and home exercise/management planning prior to

> surgery. There are likely in most surgical cases applicable parameters

> for pre-surgical PT, and any protocol could address basic

> requirements/qualifications for pre-surgical PT.

>

> I really work very little with p/o patients, and am not certain if there

> is any validity to my suggestion. Just wanted to post this as a

> theoretical option, which may have practical use. I look forward to the

> response of the list.

>

> van Well, PT

> Redford, Mi

>

> Terry Jett wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Has anyone on the listserve experienced receiving CCI edits when an

> > evaluation code of 97001 is billed with an observation code of 99218?

> >

> > This is occurring when we see an OP after surgery and receive a

> > referral for gait training prior to discharge.

> > We will see the patient and enter charges for an evaluation and gait

> > training. I am now getting an edit indicated as follows:

> >

> > WARNING: CCI CONFLICT WITH HCPCS CODES 97001 and 99218

> > Standards of medical/surgical practice.

> >

> > I have researched the CCE Modifier Indicator list and see that there

> > is a " 0 " indicating there is no circumstance in which a modifier would

> > be appropriate.

> >

> > I don't see how they consider our evaluation to be the same as the

> > observation code and the services to be alike.

> > Am I not seeing something here? How much further are we going to be

> > pushed to justify our professional services for payment?

> >

> > Any input would be greatly appreciated.

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Terry Jett MBA,PT

> > Regional Director of Rehabilitation Services

> > Providence Medical Center

> > 8929 Parallel Parkway

> > Kansas City, Kansas 66112-3607

> > Office:

> > Fax:

> > E-mail: tjett@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit our EStore at www.RehabBusiness.com

> >

> > Rehab Pro - The software solution to controlling your rehab business!

> > Call to arrange a demo -.

> >

> > Rehab Management Solutions can can improve your bottom line - (877)

> > 552-2996

> > << File: ATT00001.htm >>

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