Re: Armour and Cytomel used in conjunction

[Guest guest]

So it is ok to split armour pills? I take synthroid now and was considering

taking cytomel because one of the articles you have posted recommends that (I

think it was Domisse (sp)). I was going to cut it into small doses until I

saw that it not only comes in 25 mcg but also 5 mcg so I can start really

small. I hate those blasted heart palpitations (which is why I don't eat

caffeine) so I wanted to start low. I called my husband's office and asked

them to send home copies of my lab results so I can see where my free T3 and

Free T4 levels are. All of you are such a wonderful source of info and I

really appreciate it!

[Guest guest]

Maybe split your Armour into two doses, one in the morning and one in the

afternoon and see if that helps....

I split my tabs into quarters.. taking a quarter tab at a time throughout

the day.... and it's pretty much gotten rid of the afternoon slumps for

me....

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On Mon, 03 Mar 2003 15:07:26 -0000 " rrolwing60453 "

writes:

> Has anyone ever seen Armour and Cytomel used concurrently? My T3

> remains low, though TSH is under 1.0. I am on 180 Armour (about 27

> mcg of T3 already in there). I am debating adding cytomel 5 or 10

> later in the day to see if I can get some reduction of adema and

> weight.

[Guest guest]

Is there a way to go on digest for this list?

[Guest guest]

> Has anyone ever seen Armour and Cytomel used concurrently? My T3

> remains low, though TSH is under 1.0. I am on 180 Armour (about 27

> mcg of T3 already in there). I am debating adding cytomel 5 or 10

> later in the day to see if I can get some reduction of adema and

> weight.

Yes, I have heard of some adding Cytomel to their Armour. Most of us

don't need it--Armour alone raises free T3 quite high. But there are

exceptions, and you are obviously one!! I am curious--what was your

last Free T3?? That is really amazing.

Also, with a low free T3, are you having symptoms that usually

result from that fact, such as brain fog, fatigue, aches, and a

myriad of other symptoms??

I am also curious if you are consuming things that are binding your

free T3---do you eat a lot of soy? Calcium? Iron?? Taking any other

meds, such as estrogen?? Any of those can cause your problem.

Janie

[Guest guest]

Hi . Oh yes, you can split the Armour pills. The only problem

is that you do lose a little--they don't split cleanly. But it can

be done.

Another option is to start on the 1/4 grain (15 mg.) dose. They are

quite small, and may allow your body to adjust without the

palpitations (and without the loss from splitting the bigger pills).

I do not have the sensitivity that I am assuming you have. But even

so, each time I increased my Armour dose, I got some palps. But they

were simply a nuisance, not a threat. And within a week or so, they

went away.

Hope that helps.

Janie

[Guest guest]

> I take birth control pills, eat lots of soy and

> take many tums daily for calcium and a stomach that doesn't handle

> stress well. But I don't take cytomel yet, but plan to. Does it

> interfere with free T4 or synthroid? I wish there was a whole

> manual on all this!

Yes, all the above interferes with absorption.

If you will click on FILES to the left of these messages on the

site, there is a good article in there on the problem with soy. It

could be one product you can avoid.

It is also recommended that you do take calcium products at the same

time as you take Armour, so it may also effect T4-only meds,

especially as the t4 is attempting to convert to T3, which is fairly

inadequate when you are on T4-only meds anyway.

If there are some things you simply have to take (like the BC

pills), it just means you may need more of your thyroid meds to get

the same effect that less would give you if not being interferred

with by the calcium, iron, soy, and estrogen you take.

Janie

[Guest guest]

Very cool to get a real response to this one..

Last test results are as follows:

T4 Free - 1.0 (Ref. range 0.8-1.8)

TSH 0.72 (Ref. range 0.40-5.50)

T3 Free 220 (Ref. range 230-420)

I don't consume anything that could be construed as binding and I

take no other products. I have added the Cytomel - 10 mcg - and

managed to get my body temp up to 98.6 average. I don't notice any

weight loss properties (T3 being touted by the body builders as a

great instant weight loss product), but I do notice the increasing

absence of the litany of symptoms that were moving in on me again. I

am pretty new to all this; I only managed to get diagnosed after 3.5

years of hammering the medical community to prove it with their

tests. That was about 7 months ago. However, I have 3 years of

reading and studying about the disease under by belt... along with 70

pounds that are just now beginning to go away.

Can anyone comment on the test results and my own self-imposed

treatment of the results? The doc said " Everything is fine

now....blah, blah, blah... "

I figure its not fine until I think its fine.

> > Has anyone ever seen Armour and Cytomel used concurrently? My T3

> > remains low, though TSH is under 1.0. I am on 180 Armour (about

27

> > mcg of T3 already in there). I am debating adding cytomel 5 or

10

> > later in the day to see if I can get some reduction of adema and

> > weight.

>

> Yes, I have heard of some adding Cytomel to their Armour. Most of

us

> don't need it--Armour alone raises free T3 quite high. But there

are

> exceptions, and you are obviously one!! I am curious--what was your

> last Free T3?? That is really amazing.

>

> Also, with a low free T3, are you having symptoms that usually

> result from that fact, such as brain fog, fatigue, aches, and a

> myriad of other symptoms??

>

> I am also curious if you are consuming things that are binding your

> free T3---do you eat a lot of soy? Calcium? Iron?? Taking any other

> meds, such as estrogen?? Any of those can cause your problem.

>

> Janie

[Guest guest]

> Last test results are as follows:

> T4 Free - 1.0 (Ref. range 0.8-1.8)

> TSH 0.72 (Ref. range 0.40-5.50)

> T3 Free 220 (Ref. range 230-420)

I love your comment about hammering the medical community. They NEED

HAMMERING when it comes to this.

My free T4 is the same as yours. I am on 2 grains (120 mg) Armour.

My TSH is close to yours. But my free T3 is much higher---based on

your range numbers, my fT3 gets up to 450 within two hours after I

have taken 1 grain in the AM. Even if I do labs more than 18 hours

after my last dosage, it is still 350.

Your experience is the same as another member on this site. I am not

going to let this lie--it is mysterious to me, and I hope to find

some info on this.

I don't see why it would hurt for you to add the Cytomel, but it

sure would be good to be going to a top-notch doc who can monitor

you with this--who understands not to pay too much attention to your

TSH.

And I like your attitude---you are only fine until YOU think you are

fine. GO FOR IT.

Janie