Re: Not So Good Morning (P problems again)

[Guest guest]

Maybe some of us DON'T need P!!! Could it be?

> > Am I crazy? This happened when I

> > > applied the Wiley P cream during my Wiley days (May) and since

> > then, it

> > > happens every time.

> > > I guess my next step is the Crinone gel. But that P cream to

me is

> > > poison. I know we have been through the whole P overdosing

thing

> > yes,

> > > but apparently, it is STILL happening to me!

> > >

> > >

> >

> > To me, what this means is that you are STILL overloaded with

P...we

> > all went thru the thing where, if we applied even a tiny amount

of P

> > we felt like hell again and the troublesome symptoms returned

almost

> > immediately. I think you will have problems with vaginal gel or

ANY

> > P until you get more of it out of your system. One way we found

was

> > to use enough E to mobilize/oppose the P, other than that, you

> > obviously still can't use any. I HOPE the crinone works for

> > you...but honestly, I doubt it will work any better. It is good

to

> > have then when you do become able to use P again.

> >

> > I came to the conclusion that we were NOT hurting ourselves

while

> > using E and no P until our P levels normalized again - obviously

you

> > sill have it lurking in you. I am sorry to hear this . It

is

> > HELL. I can only think that anyone else getting off the WP is

also

> > going to go thru months of hell trying to get back to where we

began

> > before we ever did it. It is rough stuff. And, unfortunately,

there

> > will be bleeding while you aren't using the P. It has happened

to

> > every one of us with a uterus...so expect it for a while and try

to

> > stay strong!! Keep us posted, .

> >

[Guest guest]

but it's only .1 mg? Why not get a patch with a higher dose and

forget the cream?

> > > > Am I crazy? This happened when I

> > > > > applied the Wiley P cream during my Wiley days (May) and

> since

> > > > then, it

> > > > > happens every time.

> > > > > I guess my next step is the Crinone gel. But that P cream

> to

> > me

> > > is

> > > > > poison. I know we have been through the whole P

overdosing

> > > thing

> > > > yes,

> > > > > but apparently, it is STILL happening to me!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > To me, what this means is that you are STILL overloaded with

> > > P...we

> > > > all went thru the thing where, if we applied even a tiny

> amount

> > of

> > > P

> > > > we felt like hell again and the troublesome symptoms

returned

> > > almost

> > > > immediately. I think you will have problems with vaginal

gel

> or

> > > ANY

> > > > P until you get more of it out of your system. One way we

> found

> > > was

> > > > to use enough E to mobilize/oppose the P, other than that,

you

> > > > obviously still can't use any. I HOPE the crinone works for

> > > > you...but honestly, I doubt it will work any better. It is

> good

> > to

> > > > have then when you do become able to use P again.

> > > >

> > > > I came to the conclusion that we were NOT hurting ourselves

> > while

> > > > using E and no P until our P levels normalized again -

> obviously

> > > you

> > > > sill have it lurking in you. I am sorry to hear this .

It

> > is

> > > > HELL. I can only think that anyone else getting off the WP

is

> > > also

> > > > going to go thru months of hell trying to get back to where

we

> > > began

> > > > before we ever did it. It is rough stuff. And,

> unfortunately,

> > > there

> > > > will be bleeding while you aren't using the P. It has

> happened

> > to

> > > > every one of us with a uterus...so expect it for a while and

> try

> > > to

> > > > stay strong!! Keep us posted, .

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> > > >

> > > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is

not

> > > intended as medical advice.**

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

> It probably depends on age. If you are still cycling normally,

adding a

> little E probably won't hurt. If you aren't still cycling, E and

no P =

> hyperplasia.

>

> Val

>

I am having a very hard time understanding WHY, if a woman needs P,

she doesn't do well on it. It seems there has to be more going on

here, but I have not looked into it. I am not trying to be

argumentative, but in my own experience, I have found that I have

don't need. To take something that would make me sick - I don't

think I could do it. This is putting science over what your body is

never done well on anything I didn't need, no matter how good it was

supposed to be for a person. I feel our bodies tell us what we do or

telling you, which for me, doesn't work.

Of course there are women infinitely more sensitive to substances

than I am - a lot of my sensitivites to things went away when I

was cured of the chronic fatigue organism, just as the doctor said it

would. For instance..I told him I was " allergic " to sulfa drugs, but

was able to take them as a child. He said that he guessed it was a

senstivity which would go away once my c. pneumoniae was gone..and it

did. It seemed that before that, the older I got, the less food,

drugs and natural things my body could handle without a reaction of

some sort.. Now, cured of the c.pneumoniae, I have only one lingering

allergy and this is to tree pollen..I had this since i was a child.

anyway..dioes anyone have an explanation for WHY women cannot

tolerate P if they NEED it?

[Guest guest]

Yes I have an appt this week with him. I hope he got my tests

back. I don't think he wanted to give me a half grain!

>

> In a message dated 9/20/2005 9:10:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> merryr@u... writes:

>

> Yeah but I have a uterus. And my problem was heavy bleeding

before I

> started any hormone therapy. So I have to be careful not go too

high

> on the E. I think 4 mg may be my lucky number.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Well, maybe do your 4mgs. spread out and see how it goes???? Also

I'd talk

> to my Dr. about that 1/2 gn thyroid......may not be enough???

[Guest guest]

I know. I can't believe it either. I can't touch any P!

> > > > > > Am I crazy? This happened when I

> > > > > > > applied the Wiley P cream during my Wiley days (May)

and

> > > since

> > > > > > then, it

> > > > > > > happens every time.

> > > > > > > I guess my next step is the Crinone gel. But that P

cream

> > > to

> > > > me

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > poison. I know we have been through the whole P

> > overdosing

> > > > > thing

> > > > > > yes,

> > > > > > > but apparently, it is STILL happening to me!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > To me, what this means is that you are STILL overloaded

with

> > > > > P...we

> > > > > > all went thru the thing where, if we applied even a tiny

> > > amount

> > > > of

> > > > > P

> > > > > > we felt like hell again and the troublesome symptoms

> > returned

> > > > > almost

> > > > > > immediately. I think you will have problems with

vaginal

> > gel

> > > or

> > > > > ANY

> > > > > > P until you get more of it out of your system. One way

we

> > > found

> > > > > was

> > > > > > to use enough E to mobilize/oppose the P, other than

that,

> > you

> > > > > > obviously still can't use any. I HOPE the crinone

works for

> > > > > > you...but honestly, I doubt it will work any better. It

is

> > > good

> > > > to

> > > > > > have then when you do become able to use P again.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I came to the conclusion that we were NOT hurting

ourselves

> > > > while

> > > > > > using E and no P until our P levels normalized again -

> > > obviously

> > > > > you

> > > > > > sill have it lurking in you. I am sorry to hear this

.

> > It

> > > > is

> > > > > > HELL. I can only think that anyone else getting off

the WP

> > is

> > > > > also

> > > > > > going to go thru months of hell trying to get back to

where

> > we

> > > > > began

> > > > > > before we ever did it. It is rough stuff. And,

> > > unfortunately,

> > > > > there

> > > > > > will be bleeding while you aren't using the P. It has

> > > happened

> > > > to

> > > > > > every one of us with a uterus...so expect it for a

while and

> > > try

> > > > > to

> > > > > > stay strong!! Keep us posted, .

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> > > > > >

> > > > > > **The group conversation is informational in nature and

is

> > not

> > > > > intended as medical advice.**

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

Val --

I got hyperplasia when I was taking NOTHING. I was just going into

menopause so what on earth was causing the hyperplasia??

> It probably depends on age. If you are still cycling normally,

adding a

> little E probably won't hurt. If you aren't still cycling, E and

no P =

> hyperplasia.

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

>

>

> Maybe some of us DON'T need P!!! Could it be?

[Guest guest]

You got that right . There is no way I'm taking something that

is going to cripple me. Forget it! And Val, when we stop cycling,

this means we have no P OR E so what's the difference if I add a

little E. Obviously, I don't have enough E if I'm hot flashing so

that's one indication.

> > It probably depends on age. If you are still cycling normally,

> adding a

> > little E probably won't hurt. If you aren't still cycling, E

and

> no P =

> > hyperplasia.

> >

> > Val

> >

>

> I am having a very hard time understanding WHY, if a woman needs

P,

> she doesn't do well on it. It seems there has to be more going on

> here, but I have not looked into it. I am not trying to be

> argumentative, but in my own experience, I have found that I have

> don't need. To take something that would make me sick - I don't

> think I could do it. This is putting science over what your body

is

> never done well on anything I didn't need, no matter how good it

was

> supposed to be for a person. I feel our bodies tell us what we do

or

> telling you, which for me, doesn't work.

>

> Of course there are women infinitely more sensitive to substances

> than I am - a lot of my sensitivites to things went away when I

> was cured of the chronic fatigue organism, just as the doctor said

it

> would. For instance..I told him I was " allergic " to sulfa drugs,

but

> was able to take them as a child. He said that he guessed it was

a

> senstivity which would go away once my c. pneumoniae was gone..and

it

> did. It seemed that before that, the older I got, the less food,

> drugs and natural things my body could handle without a reaction

of

> some sort.. Now, cured of the c.pneumoniae, I have only one

lingering

> allergy and this is to tree pollen..I had this since i was a child.

>

> anyway..dioes anyone have an explanation for WHY women cannot

> tolerate P if they NEED it?

>

>

[Guest guest]

NO steroids. It was lidocaine. I hate shots - I tense up when I

get them and then everything around the injury tenses up and now

today I'm sore from holding myself so tight while I was getting it.

But he felt he had to do it to work on me. He gave me a shot in the

muscle in my back that was spasming. This happenened to me when I

was on Wiley ! I woke up one morning as if I had been working out

for a week -- all aches and stiff!!!

> > > > Am I crazy? This happened when I

> > > > > applied the Wiley P cream during my Wiley days

> > > (May) and since

> > > > then, it

> > > > > happens every time.

> > > > > I guess my next step is the Crinone gel. But

> > > that P cream to me

> > > is

> > > > > poison. I know we have been through the whole P

> > > overdosing

> > > thing

> > > > yes,

> > > > > but apparently, it is STILL happening to me!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > To me, what this means is that you are STILL

> > > overloaded with

> > > P...we

> > > > all went thru the thing where, if we applied even

> > > a tiny amount of

> > > P

> > > > we felt like hell again and the troublesome

> > > symptoms returned

> > > almost

> > > > immediately. I think you will have problems with

> > > vaginal gel or

> > > ANY

> > > > P until you get more of it out of your system. One

> > > way we found

> > > was

> > > > to use enough E to mobilize/oppose the P, other

> > > than that, you

> > > > obviously still can't use any. I HOPE the crinone

> > > works for

> > > > you...but honestly, I doubt it will work any

> > > better. It is good to

> > > > have then when you do become able to use P again.

> > > >

> > > > I came to the conclusion that we were NOT hurting

> > > ourselves while

> > > > using E and no P until our P levels normalized

> > > again - obviously

> > > you

> > > > sill have it lurking in you. I am sorry to hear

> > > this . It is

> > > > HELL. I can only think that anyone else getting

> > > off the WP is

> > > also

> > > > going to go thru months of hell trying to get back

> > > to where we

> > > began

> > > > before we ever did it. It is rough stuff. And,

> > > unfortunately,

> > > there

> > > > will be bleeding while you aren't using the P. It

> > > has happened to

> > > > every one of us with a uterus...so expect it for a

> > > while and try

> > > to

> > > > stay strong!! Keep us posted, .

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> >

> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is not

> intended as medical advice.**

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Oh Charlotte-- Sorry about your itching. That is a nightmare I know.

See you must be careful about those herbs. They could have something

in them that does not agree with your body. Those bumps are just

something you are allergic to! You better figure out what it is.

My dermatitis stopped after i started using all the natural bases

with the hormones. So it was definitely SOME ingredient bothering

me.

> > > > Am I crazy? This happened when I

> > > > > applied the Wiley P cream during my Wiley days

> > > (May) and since

> > > > then, it

> > > > > happens every time.

> > > > > I guess my next step is the Crinone gel. But

> > > that P cream to me

> > > is

> > > > > poison. I know we have been through the whole P

> > > overdosing

> > > thing

> > > > yes,

> > > > > but apparently, it is STILL happening to me!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > To me, what this means is that you are STILL

> > > overloaded with

> > > P...we

> > > > all went thru the thing where, if we applied even

> > > a tiny amount of

> > > P

> > > > we felt like hell again and the troublesome

> > > symptoms returned

> > > almost

> > > > immediately. I think you will have problems with

> > > vaginal gel or

> > > ANY

> > > > P until you get more of it out of your system. One

> > > way we found

> > > was

> > > > to use enough E to mobilize/oppose the P, other

> > > than that, you

> > > > obviously still can't use any. I HOPE the crinone

> > > works for

> > > > you...but honestly, I doubt it will work any

> > > better. It is good to

> > > > have then when you do become able to use P again.

> > > >

> > > > I came to the conclusion that we were NOT hurting

> > > ourselves while

> > > > using E and no P until our P levels normalized

> > > again - obviously

> > > you

> > > > sill have it lurking in you. I am sorry to hear

> > > this . It is

> > > > HELL. I can only think that anyone else getting

> > > off the WP is

> > > also

> > > > going to go thru months of hell trying to get back

> > > to where we

> > > began

> > > > before we ever did it. It is rough stuff. And,

> > > unfortunately,

> > > there

> > > > will be bleeding while you aren't using the P. It

> > > has happened to

> > > > every one of us with a uterus...so expect it for a

> > > while and try

> > > to

> > > > stay strong!! Keep us posted, .

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________

> > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

> > http://mail.yahoo.com

> >

> >

> > click here for our webpage http://rhythmicliving.com/

> >

> > **The group conversation is informational in nature and is

not

> intended as medical advice.**

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

>>

> WOW WOW and WOW...............see if you can find that:))) I feel

like

> thyroid does contol E in me, like it is top dog.

I think I read it in IMOS where she mentioned that when diagnosing

someone who is hypo thyroid and low on E she always restores the E

first because when they are that low on E and you give the thyroid

first they feel terrible. I also did some research on pub med about a

year ago and discussed with my Dr the difficulty in having too much

thyroid meds and the balance of the E. I now only take cytomel (5mcg

once a day) and Unithroid (.75)T4 and will experiment with the cytomel

on one day off the next. Let you know if this feels better.

Thanks Karin

[Guest guest]

My doctor told me after all the tests and operations that the ONLY

thing causing my hyperplasia was HORMONE IMBALANCE. How about that ?

See you don't need to be taking ANYthing to get a hormonal imbalance.

It's just the luck of the draw and what type body you have.

He told me to get an herbalist and get balanced!

> I don't know. What did your doc say?

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

>

>

> I got hyperplasia when I was taking NOTHING. I was just going into

> menopause so what on earth was causing the hyperplasia??

>

>

[Guest guest]

" Little E " meaning low dose E. Up to 2 mg a day.

> How much is " a little E? " I was using " a little E " and got

hyperplasia.

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

>

>

> You got that right . There is no way I'm taking something that

> is going to cripple me. Forget it! And Val, when we stop cycling,

> this means we have no P OR E so what's the difference if I add a

> little E. Obviously, I don't have enough E if I'm hot flashing so

> that's one indication.

[Guest guest]

Yeah I believe it. Because you just don't know what your body is

capable of on its own.

> > How much is " a little E? "