RE: Foolish Control

[Guest guest]

Ladies:

I am going to risk being very unpopular here; but I am hearing what I consider to be a dangerous trend on this board. We all want to "take charge" of our health, myself included.

There comes a time however when we have to come to terms with the fact that we did something foolish (WP), and are now dealing with the outfall.

Maybe mainstream medicine was not so stupid in their recommendations to play it safer with tried and true dosing (not talking about mini dosing). Trying to control your cycles, peaks, valleys, predict how this or that is going to act when you take it, taking it then having more problems, not telling your present physician whats really going on so they are flying blind; this does not seem the way to go for resolution.

Lets assume your physician wants to help you get better? Then come clean. Say,"I heard of this hormone thing, I tried it and now my body seems to be overreacting to P or whatever your problem is. Going to the Doc and with holding information is not the way to go. How much of oops does it take before you realize that you cant control your bodies reactions to hormones?

Bodies love predictability and trying this or that, upping then lowering this or that is not stability--its the same type of experimenting that Wiley did that some of you are still doing on yourselves and apparently not with good results.

Love you all, concerned for some of you, hopeful for all of you.

Hugs,

Sammie

[Guest guest]

Sammie - I don't think you'll be unpopular saying this. It's true.

But Uzzi Reiss says to titrate when needed. It's not only a Wiley

idea. I'm not keeping my doctor in the dark at all. What we did

was unprecedented and now NO one knows how to handle us. Every time

I think I applied all that P to myself doing Wiley, I flip. Because

now, every time I use ANY P at all, I'm out sick from work!

> Ladies:

> I am going to risk being very unpopular here; but I am hearing

what I

> consider to be a dangerous trend on this board. We all want

to " take charge " of

> our health, myself included.

> There comes a time however when we have to come to terms with the

fact that

> we did something foolish (WP), and are now dealing with the

outfall.

> Maybe mainstream medicine was not so stupid in their

recommendations to

> play it safer with tried and true dosing (not talking about mini

dosing).

> Trying to control your cycles, peaks, valleys, predict how this or

that is going to

> act when you take it, taking it then having more problems, not

telling your

> present physician whats really going on so they are flying blind;

this does

> not seem the way to go for resolution.

> Lets assume your physician wants to help you get better? Then

come clean.

> Say, " I heard of this hormone thing, I tried it and now my body

seems to be

> overreacting to P or whatever your problem is. Going to the Doc

and with

> holding information is not the way to go. How much of oops does

it take before you

> realize that you cant control your bodies reactions to hormones?

> Bodies love predictability and trying this or that, upping then

lowering

> this or that is not stability--its the same type of experimenting

that Wiley did

> that some of you are still doing on yourselves and apparently not

with good

> results.

> Love you all, concerned for some of you, hopeful for all of you.

> Hugs,

> Sammie

[Guest guest]

Sammie, that is very good advice. I think the value of a board like this is to search out alternatives and learn about the good ones and the foolish ones, and learn how to tell the difference. Its also a good way to check on our docs. Liz V's experience with P cream and endo cancer should be a lesson to everyone.

Too often, we like to bash "big pharma" but at least there have been some testing and peer-reviewed literature for drugs like Prometrium, Crinone, E patch, etc. It very well may be that technology was finally refined enough to develop delivery mechanism which are currently on the market. Certainly, there has been no scientific validation for Medicinne Shoppe creams, Lee's regimen, T S Wiley's hair-brained book, etc.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of Sami4ESP@...

I am going to risk being very unpopular here; but I am hearing what I consider to be a dangerous trend on this board. We all want to "take charge" of our health, myself included.

[Guest guest]

Damn, !! That is just SO good to hear!

Essentially, I think I am finally through with the

compounding pharmacies, for the most part. I am MORE

than ready to take advantage of the medical and

chemical wizardry of our ol' USofA. And its

peer-reviewed, placebo controlled, double-blinded

studies.

I read recently on a board from the UK! The women

there are going nuts because they CANNOT get the tried

and true Prometrium, E patch, Crinone, in their

country, and no doc there can legally prescribe our

USA stuff.

Time for a new paradigm to resurrect the old paradigm

that has risen like a phoenix, whilst we have been off

mixing voodoo potions from Wiley!!

Truth is such a beacon of light!! :)Carolyn

--- Valarie wrote:

> Sammie, that is very good advice. I think the value

> of a board like this is

> to search out alternatives and learn about the good

> ones and the foolish

> ones, and learn how to tell the difference. Its

> also a good way to check on

> our docs. Liz V's experience with P cream and endo

> cancer should be a

> lesson to everyone.

>

> Too often, we like to bash " big pharma " but at least

> there have been some

> testing and peer-reviewed literature for drugs like

> Prometrium, Crinone, E

> patch, etc. It very well may be that technology was

> finally refined enough

> to develop delivery mechanism which are currently on

> the market. Certainly,

> there has been no scientific validation for

> Medicinne Shoppe creams,

> Lee's regimen, T S Wiley's hair-brained book, etc.

>

> Val

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

> Sami4ESP@...

>

>

> I am going to risk being very unpopular here;

> but I am hearing what I

> consider to be a dangerous trend on this board. We

> all want to " take

> charge " of our health, myself included.

>

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[Guest guest]

I'm not ready to totally disregard compounding. Good ones have some value. My DDIL has Celiac and cannot tolerate any gluten. Cytomel sent her into spasms so she's getting pure T3 from a compounder. She's fine with that. Apparently, there is some gluten in Cytomel.

For the most part, however, if a regimen is not built on solid, peer-reviewed research, then it is automatically suspect; or should be. Too often, compounders have fallen in with the unproven Lee stuff. It is their bread and butter. Ya' know, Lee's "research" has never been borne out in scientific, peer-reviewed studies? Often, when the P disciples cite Lee, they cite his books and his Lancet "article." Truth is, the Lancet "article" was a letter to the editor.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of carolyn eganDamn, !! That is just SO good to hear! Essentially, I think I am finally through with thecompounding pharmacies, for the most part. I am MOREthan ready to take advantage of the medical andchemical wizardry of our ol' USofA. And itspeer-reviewed, placebo controlled, double-blindedstudies.

[Guest guest]

Another thought about learning about alternatives. When my stripe came back at 13, the PA in my doc's office tried to give me Provera. Had I not known better, I would have taken it. In my 40's, I was given Provera to stop flooding (caused by undiagnosed hypothyroidism).

I've been wondering something: We know that in the WHI, the addition of Provera to horse urine was where the rise in BC was shown. Horse urine alone didn't show much, if any, increase. How do we know that Prometrium (or compounded micronized P) won't do the same thing? Maybe that's a good reason to limit the systemic exposure?

Val

[Guest guest]

Val....after pounding the research pavement for the 2

months I have been on this RLgroup...I really do

concur with your last question. From every single

thing I have read...it would indeed seem that

" natural " progesterone, transdermal, trouch, or oral,

does indeed go quite systemic and can indeed have the

many of the same consequential side effects.

And....from everything, all well credentialed studies,

that I have read, the numbers show that there is

significantly less systemic absorption when P is

administered vaginally! Which is why I have come to

the personal conclusion and decision to ask my doc for

an Rx to vaginal P. (Now, again...this does NOT take

into consideration as to what EXPONENTIAL and

SYNERGISTIC effect the WP-P, stored in our fat and

leaking out, may have on what small amount of vaginal

P may be somewhat distributed systemically. From some

of the reports posted by some group members, it sounds

as if even the littlest drip of extra exogenous P sets

off their P-fat alarms. Dunno if ANY doctor knows

enough to deal with this, other than what was posted,

which is to " titrate " .)

But, to my personal conclusion, yes yes yes yes yes to

your question regarding Prometrium....and why going

vaginal to minimise the systemic seems to make the

most divine sense. I will be putting my own uterus and

my own body on that line!! Carolyn

--- Valarie wrote:

> Another thought about learning about alternatives.

> When my stripe came back

> at 13, the PA in my doc's office tried to give me

> Provera. Had I not known

> better, I would have taken it. In my 40's, I was

> given Provera to stop

> flooding (caused by undiagnosed hypothyroidism).

>

> I've been wondering something: We know that in the

> WHI, the addition of

> Provera to horse urine was where the rise in BC was

> shown. Horse urine

> alone didn't show much, if any, increase. How do we

> know that Prometrium

> (or compounded micronized P) won't do the same

> thing? Maybe that's a good

> reason to limit the systemic exposure?

>

> Val

>

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You said it Carolyn -- any little amount of P kills me. For NOW.

My doctor thinks he can figure this out from a blood test! I would

LOVE to know what's going on with that Wiley Protocol study that was

supposed to be started in June by ACAM. Anyone hear anything?

From some

of the reports posted by some group members, it sounds

> as if even the littlest drip of extra exogenous P sets

> off their P-fat alarms. Dunno if ANY doctor knows

> enough to deal with this, other than what was posted,

> which is to " titrate " .)

>

[Guest guest]

The only " study " I've seen was where Formby and Wiley added progesterone to

breast cancer cells and the BC went poof. I don't know if that was an

actual study or just some casual writing.

Val

-----Original Message-----

From: rhythmicliving

[mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of carolyn egan

I really do

concur with your last question. From every single

thing I have read...it would indeed seem that

" natural " progesterone, transdermal, trouch, or oral,

does indeed go quite systemic and can indeed have the

many of the same consequential side effects.

--- Valarie wrote:

How do we know that Prometrium (or compounded micronized P) won't do the

same thing? Maybe that's a good

reason to limit the systemic exposure?

[Guest guest]

Carolyn - I see your point. But that doctor acted properly!

> > > > > Ladies:

> > > > > I am going to risk being very unpopular

> > here;

> > > > but I am hearing

> > > > what I

> > > > > consider to be a dangerous trend on this

> > board.

> > > > We all want

> > > > to " take charge " of

> > > > > our health, myself included.

> > > > > There comes a time however when we have to

> > come to

> > > > terms with the

> > > > fact that

> > > > > we did something foolish (WP), and are now

> > dealing

> > > > with the

> > > > outfall.

> > > > > Maybe mainstream medicine was not so stupid

> > in

> > > > their

> > > > recommendations to

> > > > > play it safer with tried and true dosing (not

> > > > talking about mini

> > > > dosing).

> > > > > Trying to control your cycles, peaks, valleys,

> > > > predict how this or

> > > > that is going to

> > > > > act when you take it, taking it then having

> > more

> > > > problems, not

> > > > telling your

> > > > > present physician whats really going on so

> > they

> > > > are flying blind;

> > > > this does

> > > > > not seem the way to go for resolution.

> > > > > Lets assume your physician wants to help

> > you

> > > > get better? Then

> > > > come clean.

> > > > > Say, " I heard of this hormone thing, I tried

> > it

> > > > and now my body

> > > > seems to be

> > > > > overreacting to P or whatever your problem is.

> >

> > > > Going to the Doc

> > > > and with

> > > > > holding information is not the way to go. How

> > > > much of oops does

> > > > it take before you

> > > > > realize that you cant control your bodies

> > > > reactions to hormones?

> > > > > Bodies love predictability and trying this

> > or

> > > > that, upping then

> > > > lowering

> > > > > this or that is not stability--its the same

> > type

> > > > of experimenting

> > > > that Wiley did

> > > > > that some of you are still doing on yourselves

> > and

> > > > apparently not

> > > > with good

> > > > > results.

> > > > > Love you all, concerned for some of you,

> > hopeful

> > > > for all of you.

> > > > > Hugs,

> > > > > Sammie

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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[Guest guest]

I did think of this. But I get hot flashes - SICKLY ones -- with

no E. The troches stopped my hyperplasia - i can tell you that.

> , I think if I were in your predicament, I'd consider going off

> everything for a few months and just " sweat " it out. The research

just does

> not support P cream for protection of the endometrium. There may

come a

> time when it will, but until then, I don't trust it. Certainly,

we have two

> women here, Liz V and Carolyn, who didn't get protection from P

cream.

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

>

>

> You said it Carolyn -- any little amount of P kills me. For

NOW.

> My doctor thinks he can figure this out from a blood test! I

would

> LOVE to know what's going on with that Wiley Protocol study that

was

> supposed to be started in June by ACAM. Anyone hear anything?

[Guest guest]

Val...I know there is are a lot of studies out there

that have discredited the claim that P " prevents "

breast cancer....have read them....but have not the

energy to try to go back in cyberspace and find them!!

I have begun to seriously doubt...indeed

disbelieve...in fact, " belief " is a word that I

personally feel belongs ANYwhere else but in medical

fields....actually, in my little personal corner of

the world, now - ANYone connected with the writing and

publication of that book is PERSONA NON GRATA.

As I " believe " they should be! Carolyn

--- Valarie wrote:

> The only " study " I've seen was where Formby and

> Wiley added progesterone to

> breast cancer cells and the BC went poof. I don't

> know if that was an

> actual study or just some casual writing.

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

> carolyn egan

>

> I really do

> concur with your last question. From every single

> thing I have read...it would indeed seem that

> " natural " progesterone, transdermal, trouch, or

> oral,

> does indeed go quite systemic and can indeed have

> the

> many of the same consequential side effects.

>

> --- Valarie wrote:

>

> How do we know that Prometrium (or compounded

> micronized P) won't do the

> same thing? Maybe that's a good

> reason to limit the systemic exposure?

>

>

>

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I haven't heard one word about the Wiley Protocol ACAM study.

> >

> > From some

> > of the reports posted by some group members, it

> > sounds

> > > as if even the littlest drip of extra exogenous P

> > sets

> > > off their P-fat alarms. Dunno if ANY doctor knows

> > > enough to deal with this, other than what was

> > posted,

> > > which is to " titrate " .)

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I did the troches 100 mg a day when I was bleeding heavily. NO

ESTROGEN at the time. It blessedly stopped my bleeding. I had no

pain at all. Nothing. No headaches. Then came Wiley...

PS - They are delicious -- wild cherry flavor

> > > , I think if I were in your predicament, I'd

> > consider going off

> > > everything for a few months and just " sweat " it

> > out. The research

> > just does

> > > not support P cream for protection of the

> > endometrium. There may

> > come a

> > > time when it will, but until then, I don't trust

> > it. Certainly,

> > we have two

> > > women here, Liz V and Carolyn, who didn't get

> > protection from P

> > cream.

> > >

> > > Val

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: rhythmicliving

> > > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf

> > Of

> > >

> > >

> > > You said it Carolyn -- any little amount of P

> > kills me. For

> > NOW.

> > > My doctor thinks he can figure this out from a

> > blood test! I

> > would

> > > LOVE to know what's going on with that Wiley

> > Protocol study that

> > was

> > > supposed to be started in June by ACAM. Anyone

> > hear anything?

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I may get it from my gyno now. I don't want to bother my poor doctor

for yet another method of P!

>

> > , I think if I were in your predicament, I'd

> > consider going off

> > everything for a few months and just " sweat " it out.

> > The research just does

> > not support P cream for protection of the

> > endometrium. There may come a

> > time when it will, but until then, I don't trust it.

> > Certainly, we have two

> > women here, Liz V and Carolyn, who didn't get

> > protection from P cream.

> >

> > Val

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: rhythmicliving

> > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

> >

> >

> >

> > You said it Carolyn -- any little amount of P

> > kills me. For NOW.

> > My doctor thinks he can figure this out from a

> > blood test! I would

> > LOVE to know what's going on with that Wiley

> > Protocol study that was

> > supposed to be started in June by ACAM. Anyone

> > hear anything?

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Just got back from my doctor...he ordered me the vaginal gel from

WIP - he talked to a pharamcist about the vaginal gel and she told

him the major difference in the vaginal delivery method was that

women get far less DEPRESSED on vaginal P...interesting, huh? He

asked me why I wanted to try that and I told him it is believed to be

better for protecting the endometrium and targeting the area where it

does the most good.

> >

> > > , I think if I were in your predicament, I'd

> > > consider going off

> > > everything for a few months and just " sweat " it out.

> > > The research just does

> > > not support P cream for protection of the

> > > endometrium. There may come a

> > > time when it will, but until then, I don't trust it.

> > > Certainly, we have two

> > > women here, Liz V and Carolyn, who didn't get

> > > protection from P cream.

> > >

> > > Val

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: rhythmicliving

> > > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > You said it Carolyn -- any little amount of P

> > > kills me. For NOW.

> > > My doctor thinks he can figure this out from a

> > > blood test! I would

> > > LOVE to know what's going on with that Wiley

> > > Protocol study that was

> > > supposed to be started in June by ACAM. Anyone

> > > hear anything?

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

> It will be interesting to see how you get on with it. How will you

be using

> it - daily, every other day, or 10 days/month?

>

> Val

I have stopped cycling...so I will use it every other day..he

prescribed it BID (like my cream had been - the pharmacist said to

precribe it like the cream...I think they just want to sell more) and

told me that I probably only wanted to use it once a day...but I will

try every other day and that most likely will do it for me.

[Guest guest]

-I trust Dr. Bain with my life, my first born, everyone I know and

love. He has helped me a great deal with things nobody else could

have done, with medicine and energy work of all types. He prescribed

an experimental protocol for my chronic fatigue when nobody else

would, and cured me - saving me a trip to Vanderbilt University, and

he consulted with the doc who created it. I can talk to him.

Although he doesn't usually deal with female hormones, but instead

bio-identicals of all kinds (more often, thyroid & adrenals), I

respect that he at least called the WIP and questioned them about it.

He isn't my gyno...who prescribes only Prem-pro and $ynthroid.I am

just happy to have scored this stuff and I know he is fine with me

using it as I see fit. chances are, it will cost me a fraction of the

amount a pharamceutical from the drugstore would if the other

compounded hormones vs store bought that my husband and i have

gotten are any indication. I am not yet totally sold on it anyway,

and am doing okay on the cream. so that is where I stand on this.

Not real interested in inserting something into me and dealing with

whatever that creates. so unless I see a marked difference, I wil

not stick with it.

I also believe that most doctors are idiots and I think the fact

that women can get hormones from compounders at least gives them an

option that they might be able to use wisely if well informed, vs

living in the sticks with only an idiot Dr. near enough to spend

their money on and get nothing in return but a sample pack of

Effexor. I have been around the block too many times to think very

highly of the majority of docs I have dealt with

-- In rhythmicliving , carolyn egan <satoristar3@y...>

wrote:

> In the back of Vliet's new book about Testosterone,

> she writes about her concern regarding the new

> practice lately of many compounding pharmacists

> actually PRESCRIBING for patients lately - which, as

> she said, and I will emphasize here IS ILLEGAL.

> Consider that shouted out!!!

>

> For the very first time, I ran into that when my new

> ob/gyn referred me to our local compounder, which I

> had never used. I was stunned! I hope everyone read my

> posting on that experience. If not, I will post it

> again!!

>

> The compounding pharmacists HAVE NO BUSINESS telling

> you whether you should take it daily, or whatever.

> Legally, that is only a doctor's territory! And the

> difference to your body if you take it daily or every

> other day is TREMENDOUS (remember WP)!!

>

> That said, if you want to incur amenorrhea rather than

> cycle, I think the recommendation IS every other day.

> And, excuse me, but what the hell is he doing

> comparing vaginal to the cream per Rxing the vaginal

> as one would do the cream!! They are two completely

> different protocols and two completely different

> metabolic procesess!! The compounding pharmacists have

> indeed, gone way way beyond their proper territory!!

> Any any good doctor would explode at their

> transgressions of prescribing!! Dear God....that man

> is a moron, as well as " selling more product " !!! I am

> feeling like the AFLAC duck again!!

>

> Absent a decent doctor to advise you, refer to Vliet

> on that one. I go back, again, to the health adage on

> medicine, which is

>

> " Take the least amount for the shortest amount of time

> that will produce the most positive effect with the

> least amount of negative side effects "

>

> That STILL remains the medical equivalent of the 10

> Commandments, or the Golden Rule!!

>

> --- astrodiana <Astrodiana@c...> wrote:

>

> >

> > > It will be interesting to see how you get on with

> > it. How will you

> > be using

> > > it - daily, every other day, or 10 days/month?

> > >

> > > Val

> >

> >

> > I have stopped cycling...so I will use it every

> > other day..he

> > prescribed it BID (like my cream had been - the

> > pharmacist said to

> > precribe it like the cream...I think they just want

> > to sell more) and

> > told me that I probably only wanted to use it once a

> > day...but I will

> > try every other day and that most likely will do it

> > for me.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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they said it comes with applicators...so we shall see...

>

> > What strength is it?. Is it in an applicator? Can

> > you get it high enough

> > in there?

> > Val

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: rhythmicliving

> > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

> > astrodiana

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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> What strength is it?. Is it in an applicator? Can you get it high

enough

> in there?

> Val

>

He told me it comes in 4 or 8%...I said 4% - said it will come with

applicators...

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-MAYO EVEN????!! (I rest my case)

-- In rhythmicliving , carolyn egan <satoristar3@y...>

wrote:

> ...as one who has also been around the block way

> too many time, and who has also encountered the truism

> of " most doctors ARE idiots " EVEN those staffing the

> Mayo Clinic in Minnesota.....

> I totally concur with you!!! God Bless! Carolyn

>

[Guest guest]

To tell you the truth, Val..I didn't ask him much - I listened to him

talking to the pharmacist. He asked me 4% or 8%? I said 8% is for

pregnant women....he repeated that to the pharmacist. If it is

adhesive or if it is not, I don't care...I wonder if that discharge

like cottage cheese they describe with Prochieve is due to the

adhesives coming out?...I don't care about the adhesive quality if it

is putting super elastic bubble plastic into me...I intend to use it

at night right before bed and that was I will not sorry about leakage

as much. I also allowed him to prescribe twice a day...BECAUSE I

want additional amounts!! It will be cheaper that way and will last

longer and I will have extra and not have to order monthly. This is

my reasoning. I know he will allow me to use it whichever way I see

fit and he is fine with me experimenting with my meds.

> > What strength is it?. Is it in an applicator? Can you get it

high

> enough

> > in there?

> > Val

> >

>

> He told me it comes in 4 or 8%...I said 4% - said it will come with

> applicators...

[Guest guest]

....I intend to use it

> at night right before bed and that was I will not sorry about leakage

> as much.

CORRECTION: that *way* I will not *worry* about leakage as much

[Guest guest]

> Hi Val!!

> Sorry!! I will try a little more clarity here!

>

> **Prochieve 4%=45mg is taken ONLY ONCE PER DAY OF 10

> DAYS = 1 X DAY at NIGHT ONLY, so that you are getting

> ONLY 45mg per day total for ONLY 10 days/month.

>

> EITHER of the Prochieve products is NOT ever meant to

> be taken 2 x day, whether you take the 4%=45mg as

> designed for HRT, or the 8%=90mg which is manufactured

> with the intent of being used, in that 8% amount, to

> sustain a pregnancy. STILL only 1 x day.

>

> Hey again,

When yall first started talking about this vaginal P, do I remember

someone saying you can order it online, without a prescription?

Just wondering.

Sonii

[Guest guest]

You can order 100 mg Prometrium online and it says on the website

that it can be taken orally OR vaginally. It is a capsule..not a gel

w/ applicator

> > Hi Val!!

> > Sorry!! I will try a little more clarity here!

> >

> > **Prochieve 4%=45mg is taken ONLY ONCE PER DAY OF 10

> > DAYS = 1 X DAY at NIGHT ONLY, so that you are getting

> > ONLY 45mg per day total for ONLY 10 days/month.

> >

> > EITHER of the Prochieve products is NOT ever meant to

> > be taken 2 x day, whether you take the 4%=45mg as

> > designed for HRT, or the 8%=90mg which is manufactured

> > with the intent of being used, in that 8% amount, to

> > sustain a pregnancy. STILL only 1 x day.

> >

> > Hey again,

>

> When yall first started talking about this vaginal P, do I remember

> someone saying you can order it online, without a prescription?

>

> Just wondering.

>

> Sonii